Javed Miandad urges Mickey Arthur to have more game-plans

[Savak]

Javed Miandad Urge Mickey To Have More Game-plans

Zeeshan Mehtab

7 hours ago

Mon 29th January 2018 | 03:20 PM

Batting legend Javed Miandad Monday urged coach Mickey Arthur to devise different strategies for the players according to the situation on the field in order to get better results in the game

ISLAMABAD, (UrduPoint / Pakistan Point News - 29th Jan, 2018 ):Batting legend Javed Miandad Monday urged coach Mickey Arthur to devise different strategies for the players according to the situation on the field in order to get better results in the game.

It may be mentioned here that Pakistan was whitewashed by New Zealand in the ODI series however the green-shirts clinched the Twenty20 series by 2-1, claiming No. 1 spot on T20 rankings. Talking to APP, Miandad said the mentality of Pakistani players is different from foreigners and the coach needs to train them the way they want it to be.

Dont force your stuff on players, train them the way they want and better results would come, he asked Mickey. Miandad said the coach must have four to five plans in mind according to the games situation.

At our times we used to send signals on the field to players for devising different strategies according to the situation, he said and added nowadays these things are lacking. He said our top five batsmen must also focus on taking singles and doubles instead of hitting poor shots and going back to the pavilion.

Not taking singles and doubles will over burden the middle order resulting in losing the match, he said. Miandad said our top five batsmen must focus on playing maximum overs in a 50 over match.

If the other team can score 200 or 300 runs, then our players can also, he said. Our players need to improve their fielding as saving runs can lead to a low total of the other team on the scoreboard, he said. Speaking about the T20 series, he lauded the players for making a superb comeback in the T20s after the ODI series loss.

Link: https://www.urdupoint.com/en/sports/javed-miandad-urge-mickey-to-have-more-game-p-252006.html

 

[MenInG]

Lot of advice for Mickey and Co but empty words am afraid.

 

[DeadBall]

Why don't these ex cricketers put their money where there mouth is and dedicate their time (if not money) to help develop players at the grass roots level. They're just good for spouting biased rhetorical rubbish for some cash on TV.

 

[Sherlock]

Dont force your stuff on players, train them the way they want and better results would come, he asked Mickey.

Yeah, because our players are to be trusted and relied upon

 

[Fahdi]

Miandad said the mentality of Pakistani players is different from foreigners and the coach needs to train them the way they want it to be.

Dont force your stuff on players, train them the way they want and better results would come, he asked Mickey.

Why would anyone do this? I understand the players' input should be considered and if he feels he needs work in a certain aspect the coaches should be open minded but at the end of the day the coaches are trained for their role and have loads of experience in the matter. If they feel the player needs to prioritize something else or is going about his training the wrong way then they need to intervene and tell him what he is doing wrong.

Besides this is a recipe for disaster. Past coaches have reported how certain players use every trick they have to avoid tedious training they don't want to participate in, especially fielding training. They have made excuses like, " We need to focus on catching practice instead of ground fielding","My position is slips hence I don't need this training" etc.

 

[Pete Rose]

This was a fundamental weakness of Javed’s 4 stints as coach. He thought that the coach should interfere in game time to influence the outcome. He had no long term plans and given that cricket is a captain centric game, he would inevitably alienate the team and the players.
It was also driven by a self created narrative from his playing days under imran’s shadow. As cricketing press in Pakistan was more parochial in that era, the Karachi press liked to believe that Javed was imran the captains consigliere: a shrewder tactician who was the true brains behind imran’s brawns. I am sure it might have been true occasionally, but Javed drank the whole kool aid.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Yeah, because our players are to be trusted and relied upon

Yeah that bit caught my eye too. Not sure what Javed meant..

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Yeah, because our players are to be trusted and relied upon

Funny thing is he used to train them 8 hours a day.

 

[Sherlock]

Let me point out something, Javed is essentially saying Pakistani coaches should act like a certain ex-England football manager that thought he could get buddy-buddy with the players and be their friend. He called players by their first names as to get closer to them.

It didn't help him when Croatia KO'd his side, in a rainy night at Wembley, out of the 08' qualifiers, and he was tagged as the wally under the brolly. Steve McClaren.

It doesn't always work as you may think, Javed.

 

[Hamstead_joy]

Most people would not know Javed Miandad alongwith Asif Iqbal chased 164 in 25 overs in the 3rd test v India in 1978/79, did'nt hit boundaries just strategically ran india out of the game with 'cheeky singles', it was way ahead of hits time back then.

Disagree with Miandad no strategy can help people like Shoaib Malik, Azam or Hafeez. Arthur needs to build team with new players from domestic and nurture them.

Dot balls, zero doubles and less singles by our seniors help the opponents more. Its time Arthur and Sarfaraz work on this and develop players who have the game to run in tight field sets like kiwis. Singles do more to frustrate and shake fielders confidence.

 

[waleed88]

Says the guy who used to jump up and down the dressing room to tell the captain what to do on the ground.

 

[Hamstead_joy]

Says the guy who used to jump up and down the dressing room to tell the captain what to do on the ground.

Cheapshot of a comment
He jumps or sit till has more wins than the pathetic lot of present day from losers like Inzamam to tuk-tuk Misbah, what did his predecessors achieve. Did this batting fit to even compare with our batsmen from the 80s or 90s?

 

[waleed88]

Cheapshot of a comment
He jumps or sit till has more wins than the pathetic lot of present day from losers like Inzamam to tuk-tuk Misbah, what did his predecessors achieve. Did this batting fit to even compare with our batsmen from the 80s or 90s?

I was referring to his stint as coach, not as captain. Since he was talking about coaching here specifically

He just said we used to send signals from the dressing room.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Cheapshot of a comment
He jumps or sit till has more wins than the pathetic lot of present day from losers like Inzamam to tuk-tuk Misbah, what did his predecessors achieve. Did this batting fit to even compare with our batsmen from the 80s or 90s?

Javed Miandad has been one of the worst coaches Pak Cricket has had. Great batters don't always make great coaches.

 

[Pete Rose]

Javed Miandad has been one of the worst coaches Pak Cricket has had. Great batters don't always make great coaches.

he has been coach 4 times, he has been fired each time (not to mention he has been fired as captain as well, because the team did not want to play under him). but sure let's hear his views about coaching and man management.

 

[ManFan]

Javed again with useless intel. All these ex-players want is a coaching stint to take to the bank every month. Need someone who can get down to brass-tax and give this soothi kom a danda.

 

[MMHS]

Most people would not know Javed Miandad alongwith Asif Iqbal chased 164 in 25 overs in the 3rd test v India in 1978/79, did'nt hit boundaries just strategically ran india out of the game with 'cheeky singles', it was way ahead of hits time back then.

Disagree with Miandad no strategy can help people like Shoaib Malik, Azam or Hafeez. Arthur needs to build team with new players from domestic and nurture them.

Dot balls, zero doubles and less singles by our seniors help the opponents more. Its time Arthur and Sarfaraz work on this and develop players who have the game to run in tight field sets like kiwis. Singles do more to frustrate and shake fielders confidence.

Not most, none will know it, because it didn't happen. It was actually Imran promoted to No. 4, who hit 2 SIX & 2 fours in one ** Bedi over. And, for some reason, that Test didn't record all FOUR in score card (may be PCB's scorer was someone's bhatiza, didn't care much about job security) - there were plenty of fours hit.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ndia-3rd-test-india-tour-of-pakistan-1978-79/


But yes, points taken - Asif & Javed were exceptionally cunning & good runner. Sadly, PCB or PAK cricket had almost zero contribution in that, except that they carried PAK flag. One went to Kieth Fletcher's Kent at 21, other one to Tony Greig's Sussex at 19 .....

For the last part, you can't be more wrong than this - this is probably 10th time I am writing. Singles are not only about willingness to run or appetite for singles, core of it is capability of maneuvering a shot in gaps and availability of multiple shots in array - feilding side isn't going to make it easy for you. For that, you need all-round game, multiple shots for a ball and very good placing sense - which Misbah clones don't have. Only PAK batsman in recent times, whom I have seen rotating strike properly when set was the naughty guy - Umar Akmal, because he had the shots and he used to drink less (........ water, of course). Virat Kohli or Steve Smith or AB or Root or Sanga or ... takes singles at will not because they are "buzdil", rather they have multiple options on either side, either feet to place a ball.

Besides, taking singles is a trade off - unless you hurt fielding side with boundary here & there, why should they open inner ring to allow an easy single. This is 2nd problem - Misbah era has promoted Azhar Ali class - you put 9 men on leg side, he can't hit a cover drive on back foot ........ such batting creates suffocation. I give an unpopular example from a minnow - if you had the taste to watch that BD-NZ CT game, at 34/4, Kiwis put 7 men in ring till 20+ overs, to choke the batting pair - both Shakib & Mahmudullah went after hitting boundary on selective balls to keep the asking in check, and eventually Ken had to spread out his fielders - batting pair changed gears and started to take 5/6 singles every over, keeping asking around 6.

For PAK batsmen, those boundaries would end in singles, because batsmen will pick only 2/3 out fielders with inch perfect precision .... and later those singles would end in dots, again precision in picking 4/5 inner fielders - Shehzad also has shots, but he hits that like a trace of bullet so straight that even from 35 yards (from fielder), it's tough to complete one run.

Javed was one of the best cricket minds, and one of the worst coach - because he violated the first rule of coaching - Man management, don't ever try to baby feed grown up pros.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

he has been coach 4 times, he has been fired each time (not to mention he has been fired as captain as well, because the team did not want to play under him). but sure let's hear his views about coaching and man management.

Nailed it,,

 

[BunnyRabbit]

he has been coach 4 times, he has been fired each time (not to mention he has been fired as captain as well, because the team did not want to play under him). but sure let's hear his views about coaching and man management.

Most of the former players from Pakistan will sit on the couch and offer hollow pieces of advice all the time. Most of them will keep trying to belittle the current management or blab about when i was coach,selector, or manager etc etc. The thing is everyone who is on the outside will try to make others think how things used to be better when they were in charge or how they would do it better than them. If any of them had some genuine concerns about the state of Pakistan cricket, they would try to help rather than just pointing fingers.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Not most, none will know it, because it didn't happen. It was actually Imran promoted to No. 4, who hit 2 SIX & 2 fours in one ** Bedi over. And, for some reason, that Test didn't record all FOUR in score card (may be PCB's scorer was someone's bhatiza, didn't care much about job security) - there were plenty of fours hit.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ndia-3rd-test-india-tour-of-pakistan-1978-79/


But yes, points taken - Asif & Javed were exceptionally cunning & good runner. Sadly, PCB or PAK cricket had almost zero contribution in that, except that they carried PAK flag. One went to Kieth Fletcher's Kent at 21, other one to Tony Greig's Sussex at 19 .....

For the last part, you can't be more wrong than this - this is probably 10th time I am writing. Singles are not only about willingness to run or appetite for singles, core of it is capability of maneuvering a shot in gaps and availability of multiple shots in array - feilding side isn't going to make it easy for you. For that, you need all-round game, multiple shots for a ball and very good placing sense - which Misbah clones don't have. Only PAK batsman in recent times, whom I have seen rotating strike properly when set was the naughty guy - Umar Akmal, because he had the shots and he used to drink less (........ water, of course). Virat Kohli or Steve Smith or AB or Root or Sanga or ... takes singles at will not because they are "buzdil", rather they have multiple options on either side, either feet to place a ball.

Besides, taking singles is a trade off - unless you hurt fielding side with boundary here & there, why should they open inner ring to allow an easy single. This is 2nd problem - Misbah era has promoted Azhar Ali class - you put 9 men on leg side, he can't hit a cover drive on back foot ........ such batting creates suffocation. I give an unpopular example from a minnow - if you had the taste to watch that BD-NZ CT game, at 34/4, Kiwis put 7 men in ring till 20+ overs, to choke the batting pair - both Shakib & Mahmudullah went after hitting boundary on selective balls to keep the asking in check, and eventually Ken had to spread out his fielders - batting pair changed gears and started to take 5/6 singles every over, keeping asking around 6.

For PAK batsmen, those boundaries would end in singles, because batsmen will pick only 2/3 out fielders with inch perfect precision .... and later those singles would end in dots, again precision in picking 4/5 inner fielders - Shehzad also has shots, but he hits that like a trace of bullet so straight that even from 35 yards (from fielder), it's tough to complete one run.

Javed was one of the best cricket minds, and one of the worst coach - because he violated the first rule of coaching - Man management, don't ever try to baby feed grown up pros.

A bit out of topic but Umar Akmal in his early days was very good at strike rotation and running between the wickets, which he would start from ball 1. After a year though he probably just thought fours and sixes are better than rotating strike.

 

[MMHS]

A bit out of topic but Umar Akmal in his early days was very good at strike rotation and running between the wickets, which he would start from ball 1. After a year though he probably just thought fours and sixes are better than rotating strike.

No, it’s was not his fault at all. At 19/20, he was a fantastic prospect for ODI top 3 - his 1st/2nd innings in ODI was 104* in SRL, in a long partnership with YK and he maneuvered Murali better than YK, which is an ultimate complement.

Unfortunately, kid knew how hit boundaries - proper cricket shots and 360 on either feet, both against pace and spin AND that was his nemesis. PAK batting pundits started to drop him down to win it ala Afridi style for his hitting ability. 2011 WC SF, he came at 6, after MoHa/Kakmal wasted their start and Asad, YK, Misbah took the asking rate by then to 8+ ... what do you expect from him after that - 5 singles in an over?

Umar, Amin & Haris should have been permanent 3 of top 4 from April 01, 2011 - may be Maqsood at 4/5 as well; sadly those spots went to Azhar, MoHa, Asad, YK, Misbah - add Ahmed to the mix; this is an obsolete batting order even in early 1960s, when Sunday League, Gillette Cup started in Counties.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

No, it’s was not his fault at all. At 19/20, he was a fantastic prospect for ODI top 3 - his 1st/2nd innings in ODI was 104* in SRL, in a long partnership with YK and he maneuvered Murali better than YK, which is an ultimate complement.

Unfortunately, kid knew how hit boundaries - proper cricket shots and 360 on either feet, both against pace and spin AND that was his nemesis. PAK batting pundits started to drop him down to win it ala Afridi style for his hitting ability. 2011 WC SF, he came at 6, after MoHa/Kakmal wasted their start and Asad, YK, Misbah took the asking rate by then to 8+ ... what do you expect from him after that - 5 singles in an over?

Umar, Amin & Haris should have been permanent 3 of top 4 from April 01, 2011 - may be Maqsood at 4/5 as well; sadly those spots went to Azhar, MoHa, Asad, YK, Misbah - add Ahmed to the mix; this is an obsolete batting order even in early 1960s, when Sunday League, Gillette Cup started in Counties.

Amin was way too immature and raw around that time. Haris certainly should have been selected earlier than 2014, not considering that WI series after which he was dropped for no reason despite doing fine ish. Misbah gets a lot of flak but tbh he was a glue that held the batting together by that time with passengers all around him. Yes, Umar shouldn't have been sent down at no. 6, but should have been given chances at no. 4. But the thing is, he himself is to blame as well, as he didn't take the opportunities when he was promoted to no 4 briefly in 2014. Asad and Azhar were the biggest waste of investment during 2011-2015 era in ODI's though.

 

[GrandMaster]

Lot of advice for Mickey and Co but empty words am afraid.

Yes, when the team is doing well and wins the series, he is short of words. He and Yousuf are good in criticizing the team and the coach.

 

[BaankeJi]

Miandad has this habit of advising everyone. Ask Imran. Sanjay Manjrekar talks about it in his book.