Jewish Messiah is returning?

[KingKhanWC]

Many Jews today believe that God will one day send a Messiah who will lead the world into an age of peace and understanding. The word Messiah, which is Mashiach in Hebrew, means ‘anointed one’. It comes from the time when kings were anointed as a sign of their God-given power.

The Book of Isaiah teaches that the Messiah will be a political leader and judge. He will create a fair government in Israel, which will become a centre for all politics worldwide.

Many Jews believe that when the Messiah comes, he will:

Rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem.
Bring about the end of war so that everyone can live in peace.
Unite all people regardless of differences like religion or culture.
Bring a true awareness of God to all people.
Signal the end of the world.

Jews use the Hebrew term olam ha-ba, which means ‘the world to come’, to refer to the time after the Messiah’s arrival, which is also called the Messianic Age.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zjbyb82/revision/6

In Babylon, these rabbis, the Amoraim of the Talmud, reinterpreted Jewish history. Yes, the Land of Israel was promised to the Jews, and yes, God will one day, in his own time, return the Jews to their land and give them control of it, but this will only happen in the future when the messiah arrives

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.pre...-yet-does-israel-belong-to-the-jews-1.5452608


According to Judaism, Jews can only return to the holy land when the Messiah returns, builds the temple and creates a one world government.

Correct me if im wrong, I dont see any Messiah or Temple?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Here is the current PM of Israel, promising an important Rabbi he will do everything he can to bring about the Messiah.

 

[Manunited18]

Here is the current PM of Israel, promising an important Rabbi he will do everything he can to bring about the Messiah.

Yes there waiting for Dajjal (Antichrist) to appear to continue the mischief in the world, little they know what the reality will be.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes there waiting for Dajjal (Antichrist) to appear to continue the mischief in the world, little they know what the reality will be.

I think there are some Zionists who know the Messiah will be a false Messiah, Satanic in nature but this is great for them as they will rule the world. Some Jews will realise he is the Dajjal(False Messiah) and not accept him.

What should have happened acc to Judaism, the Messiah first arrives, he brings back the people to the holy land, he builds the temple and finally rules the world with justice. Of course Muslims also believe in the return of Isa(pbuh), the true Messiah. The difference is Muslims are not seeking or trying to speed up his arrival. On the contrary no real Muslim would want to be around in the events pre-dating this , as this will be the worst time for humans on Earth.

Netanyahu as you can see from the video, is actively trying to speed up the return of the Messiah, such is the desperation to take as much land as possible & to cleanse the land of all non-Jews. Its no coincidence this man has been around Israeli politics since the early 90s, when he first started to rant about Iran.

 

[ElRaja]

Here is the current PM of Israel, promising an important Rabbi he will do everything he can to bring about the Messiah.

netnyahu is a secular jew, looks like hes just giving political answers. hes most likely a culturally motivated zionist, i.e. doesnt believe in what the old man is saying, but will nod along for his support, because he has a different motivation to want the same outcome.

theres pbly more uniformity on the issue of zionism in non-religious jews than in religious jews. nearly all vocally anti zionist jews ive seen have been religious, and have religious motivations for there beliefs.

 

[KingKhanWC]

netnyahu is a secular jew, looks like hes just giving political answers. hes most likely a culturally motivated zionist, i.e. doesnt believe in what the old man is saying, but will nod along for his support, because he has a different motivation to want the same outcome.

theres pbly more uniformity on the issue of zionism in non-religious jews than in religious jews. nearly all vocally anti zionist jews ive seen have been religious, and have religious motivations for there beliefs.

He is not secular, its just a deceptive claim to fool people. I could list many quotes but when he calls the occupied West Bank Judea and Samaria, claiming it belongs to Israel because God says so, it's the opposite of secular.

Btw its not just any old man.

All Zionists governments from day 1 inc Ben Gurion who said 'We must expel the Arabs....' have shown nothing of secular. The term secular goes against the very creation and defition of Israel. I really dont understand how intelligent people can be so easily fooled by this.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Must be quite frustrating to live in a real world fantasy where you expect messiahs and such to arrive, along with other divine interventions.

But nothing ever really happens.

 

[guna]

Must be quite frustrating to live in a real world fantasy where you expect messiahs and such to arrive, along with other divine interventions.

But nothing ever really happens.

All Abrahamic faiths have this judgement day and messiah returning fantasy.

God is already confused who to pick between Jews and Muslims.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

All Abrahamic faiths have this judgement day and messiah returning fantasy.

God is already confused who to pick between Jews and Muslims.

Yep it’s kinda sad how only AbrahamI religions are the one which matter in this world and are truly globalized.

rest are just regional ones which no one knows about beyond names perhaps. Would be better for world if other religions came to the fore and their silly beliefs became widely known as well and then Abrahamic faiths could also hold a mirror to themselves

 

[Robert]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zjbyb82/revision/6


According to Judaism, Jews can only return to the holy land when the Messiah returns, builds the temple and creates a one world government.

Correct me if im wrong, I dont see any Messiah or Temple?

Eschatologists have been saying this ever since the first ‘revealed’ religions of the Middle East.

These End Times are a long time coming.....

 

[Mamoon]

No messiah is returning or emerging and neither will Hazrat Isa (Jesus) come back. Like all other prophets, he passed away.

I agree with the interpretation of Islamic scholars and thinkers like Ghamidi, Allama Iqbal and Ubaidullah Sindhi on this subject.

 

[sindhiboy]

I don't agree with people who say the end of the world is near, or dajjal is arriving soon.
Yes the major signs have already occurred.
But this is only the beginning. There's alot more that the new world order has in store for us

 

[sindhiboy]

No messiah is returning or emerging and neither will Hazrat Isa (Jesus) come back. Like all other prophets, he passed away.

I agree with the interpretation of Islamic scholars and thinkers like Ghamidi, Allama Iqbal and Ubaidullah Sindhi on this subject.

You should watch mufti abu layth on YouTube, he has similar views and adds extra bit of detail

 

[Mamoon]

I don't agree with people who say the end of the world is near, or dajjal is arriving soon.
Yes the major signs have already occurred.
But this is only the beginning. There's alot more that the new world order has in store for us

Every generation always thinks that the end is near and they will be the one to witness the armageddon with their own eyes.

 

[Mamoon]

You should watch mufti abu layth on YouTube, he has similar views and adds extra bit of detail

Thanks.

 

[irfan]

Many Jews have now shifted the goalposts and say the creation of Israel (created by non-religious, secular or atheist Jews, ignoring the cognitive dissonance there) is the return of the messiah and is not necessairly a physical human.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

There’s a reason why the Zionist’s are planting Gharqad trees in occupied land. They know what’s coming.

 

[Tubs]

What does the return of the Messiah, the return of Isa/Jesus, and the coming of the Daijal/Anti-Christ all have in common? They're all fairy tails.

It is interesting to see some posters referring to the hadith where the Muslims will attack the Jews and every stone and tree aside from one (a 'tree of the Jew') will tell the Muslims where the Jews are hiding. Always is a shame to see the desire for violence just because archaic texts say it is good/required/justified.

 

[IAJ]

All Abrahamic faiths have this judgement day and messiah returning fantasy.

God is already confused who to pick between Jews and Muslims.

Fantasy and God is confused? Show some respect. If you don’t believe in one God just say that instead of spouting rubbish.

 

[IAJ]

No messiah is returning or emerging and neither will Hazrat Isa (Jesus) come back. Like all other prophets, he passed away.

I agree with the interpretation of Islamic scholars and thinkers like Ghamidi, Allama Iqbal and Ubaidullah Sindhi on this subject.

Show some evidence of that Isa (as) passed away and will not return.

 

[ElRaja]

He is not secular, its just a deceptive claim to fool people. I could list many quotes but when he calls the occupied West Bank Judea and Samaria, claiming it belongs to Israel because God says so, it's the opposite of secular.

Btw its not just any old man.

All Zionists governments from day 1 inc Ben Gurion who said 'We must expel the Arabs....' have shown nothing of secular. The term secular goes against the very creation and defition of Israel. I really dont understand how intelligent people can be so easily fooled by this.

its not that difficult a concept, there are two different groups at play, religious jews and cultural jews, cultural jews are secular, there desire for a "jewish" ehtnostate is built on the idea that jews are a seperate peoples from non-jews, culturally, racially, ethnically, etc, they arent particularly bothered if the jews that live within israel are religious or not, there main objective is that the state of israel is culturally jewish, they dont care how religious it is or isnt.

the second group are religious jews, who follow the religion and believe in the theology around it to the letter, and believe all non adherant jews are living in sin. theese zionists have no real desire to have a state full of non practicing jews, however they will tolerate them as they see it better to live with non-practicing jews than non-jews.

both groups need each other, and the video you posted at least, is an example of pretty basic politics, if both people agree that israel should exist, openly arguing over why would be politically pointless. dont see how this is difficult to grasp for anyone who has had any interaction with zionist jews, both religous and secular.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

What does the return of the Messiah, the return of Isa/Jesus, and the coming of the Daijal/Anti-Christ all have in common? They're all fairy tails.

It is interesting to see some posters referring to the hadith where the Muslims will attack the Jews and every stone and tree aside from one (a 'tree of the Jew') will tell the Muslims where the Jews are hiding. Always is a shame to see the desire for violence just because archaic texts say it is good/required/justified.

Next time just quote me

What makes you think it’s fairy tale?

 

[guna]

Fantasy and God is confused? Show some respect. If you don’t believe in one God just say that instead of spouting rubbish.

Jews are God's chosen people. God will never forsake them. Muslims believe that they are the best among human kind. So it comes down to Chosen people vs the Best people. Very hard to pick even for God.

Unilaterally declaring the end of the world is funny. Most of Asia do not follow Abrahamic faiths. They have their own fairytales.

 

[Local.Dada]

what a thread. It says Jewish messiah returning, does that mean he already visited planet earth before?

 

[Varun]

Whether you are in Israel, Palestine and Britain, just focus on getting an education kids, and be your own Messiah.

 

[IAJ]

Jews are God's chosen people. God will never forsake them. Muslims believe that they are the best among human kind. So it comes down to Chosen people vs the Best people. Very hard to pick even for God.

Unilaterally declaring the end of the world is funny. Most of Asia do not follow Abrahamic faiths. They have their own fairytales.

You seem like a confused ignorant person. You simply lack basic knowledge of the religions you are talking about. I should have stopped replying once you put God on same level as humans, my fault.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Whether you are in Israel, Palestine and Britain, just focus on getting an education kids, and be your own Messiah.

Palestinians can't do that if Israel is terrorizing their children by strategically destroying their schools every couple of years, now can they?

 

[Mamoon]

Show some evidence of that Isa (as) passed away and will not return.

Watch Ghamidi’s videos on this subject. I think he has made an intelligent interpretation of Quran and Hadees on this subject.

As far as evidence is concerned, it is a slippery slope. The last thing people should do is talk about “evidence” when it comes to religious discourse because they end up digging a hole that they cannot climb out of.

There is no evidence in religion. It is all about faith. There is no historic evidence that Isa existed in the first place, let alone evidence that he ascended to heaven alive.

 

[rockyboy2018]

Watch these documentaries on many versions of the Quran and other Hadith books (that are usually cited by Islamic scholars in India and Pakistan.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIQxb89gWyE

Please watch them all and please share your thoughts.

 

[guna]

You seem like a confused ignorant person. You simply lack basic knowledge of the religions you are talking about. I should have stopped replying once you put God on same level as humans, my fault.

When did I put God on the same level as humans? I know more about Islam than you can ever think of. So do not give me that.

 

[IAJ]

Watch Ghamidi’s videos on this subject. I think he has made an intelligent interpretation of Quran and Hadees on this subject.

As far as evidence is concerned, it is a slippery slope. The last thing people should do is talk about “evidence” when it comes to religious discourse because they end up digging a hole that they cannot climb out of.

There is no evidence in religion. It is all about faith. There is no historic evidence that Isa existed in the first place, let alone evidence that he ascended to heaven alive.

With evidence I mean 'daleel'. When you say that Isa (as) passed away and will not return you should back this up with some 'daleel'. You can't just type random stuff her and misguide people who doesn't have so much knowledge on topic.

And please, stop with this Javed Gamidi reference. Islam is not a religion where anyone can pop up out of nowhere and start interpretating the affair as it suis him. There is a 1400+ years solid chain of knowlegde out there. I don't get this you take your profession as doctor very seriously so how come Islam can be taken so lightly?

Read translation of Sura Nisa' (Sura no. 4 verses 157-158) where Allah SWT talkw about this very matter. And there are sound Ahadeeth from Muslim and Bkhari on the return of Prophet Isa (as).

If you have proper knowledge about a matter you will not dig a hole for yourself.

 

[guna]

Show some evidence of that Isa (as) passed away and will not return.

Isa did not pass away like other Prophets. According to Islam, Allah SWT lifted him up to heaven. So Jesus is now with Allah SWT while all other Prophets are dead like normal humans. All other Prophets are waiting for the Judgement day like normal humans.

 

[IAJ]

When did I put God on the same level as humans? I know more about Islam than you can ever think of. So do not give me that.

A final reply to you. Read your second sentence in #8 where you typed "God is confused...". God can not be confused, if you say this you are putting Him on same level as humans. Confusion is an attribute for humans. And again, this is form basic knowlegde of the religion Islam.

 

[Tubs]

Next time just quote me��

What makes you think it’s fairy tale?

The fairy tale point is less important than you think the Jews are preparing trees to protect them from a Muslim onslaught.

I think they're fairy tails because they're just written in old books. I reject their claims just as you reject the claims of the Bhagvad Gita, Guru Granth Sahib, The Avesta, The Pali Canon, etc.

Now, will you be joining the fight against the Jews that you so vehemently support?

 

[guna]

A final reply to you. Read your second sentence in #8 where you typed "God is confused...". God can not be confused, if you say this you are putting Him on same level as humans. Confusion is an attribute for humans. And again, this is form basic knowlegde of the religion Islam.

God says in Torah that Jews are the chosen people.

The same God said in Quran Pak that Muslims are the best of human kind.

Now tell me how can God choose between the two?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Why are you saying Astaghfirullah? Everyone has their own beliefs.

Are you Muslim?. That belief takes one out of the fold of Islam as it goes against the Quranic teaching.

The fairy tale point is less important than you think the Jews are preparing trees to protect them from a Muslim onslaught.

I think they're fairy tails because they're just written in old books. I reject their claims just as you reject the claims of the Bhagvad Gita, Guru Granth Sahib, The Avesta, The Pali Canon, etc.

Now, will you be joining the fight against the Jews that you so vehemently support?

The granth is just random musings of various ascetics and works Muslim Sufis, your point?.

 

[KingKhanWC]

its not that difficult a concept, there are two different groups at play, religious jews and cultural jews, cultural jews are secular, there desire for a "jewish" ehtnostate is built on the idea that jews are a seperate peoples from non-jews, culturally, racially, ethnically, etc, they arent particularly bothered if the jews that live within israel are religious or not, there main objective is that the state of israel is culturally jewish, they dont care how religious it is or isnt.

the second group are religious jews, who follow the religion and believe in the theology around it to the letter, and believe all non adherant jews are living in sin. theese zionists have no real desire to have a state full of non practicing jews, however they will tolerate them as they see it better to live with non-practicing jews than non-jews.

both groups need each other, and the video you posted at least, is an example of pretty basic politics, if both people agree that israel should exist, openly arguing over why would be politically pointless. dont see how this is difficult to grasp for anyone who has had any interaction with zionist jews, both religous and secular.

Jews like all people have differening views. But to call Nethanyahu as a secular is simply not true. Most Jews in Israel are not secular, the country is not secular, its creation wasnt secular.

Such people are trying to bring about their Messiah, Muslims are not, its against their faith to do so. This is why the Zionist extremists are the most dangerous & extreme people on Earth.

 

[Mamoon]

With evidence I mean 'daleel'. When you say that Isa (as) passed away and will not return you should back this up with some 'daleel'. You can't just type random stuff her and misguide people who doesn't have so much knowledge on topic.

That is why I referred you to the explanation of Ghamidi on this subject. He has provided his daleel in light of his interpretation of the verses in Quran and hadees concerning Hazrat Isa. If you do not like Ghamidi you can refer to the work of Allama Iqbal and Ubaidullah Sindhi on this matter.

And please, stop with this Javed Gamidi reference. Islam is not a religion where anyone can pop up out of nowhere and start interpretating the affair as it suis him. There is a 1400+ years solid chain of knowlegde out there. I don't get this you take your profession as doctor very seriously so how come Islam can be taken so lightly?

Medical science is based on empirical evidence. It is not based on faith.

The 1,400 years of knowledge chain is based on the interpretation of individuals and has nothing to do with concrete evidence. In 1,400 years, no Muslim scholar or philosopher could prove that God exists and Islam is the true religion, because it is a matter of faith and cannot be proved.

Furthermore, the problem with the interpretation of the religious scholars is that they shift goalposts to accommodate their faith.

For example, when Dolly the sheep was cloned in 1996, mullahs around the world started sweating because their belief that only Allah SWT Has the power to create life was challenged.

As a result, they had to change the interpretation of Quran and hadees to accommodate cloning.

Few hundreds years back, even the most esteemed Muslim scholars and thinkers would have said astaghfirullah a 100 times at the mere thought of creating an animal in laboratory.

When the Hazrat Isa doesn’t return and the world ends, the same mullahs and scholars will then follow the interpretation of Ghamidi to accommodate their faith.

Read translation of Sura Nisa' (Sura no. 4 verses 157-158) where Allah SWT talkw about this very matter. And there are sound Ahadeeth from Muslim and Bkhari on the return of Prophet Isa (as).

Ghamidi provided his interpretation on these verses.

https://youtu.be/0wa8ybAX5ks

https://youtu.be/xRMDiHI9Wug

If you have proper knowledge about a matter you will not dig a hole for yourself.

You can be the most learned Islamic scholar in the world but you will inevitably end up digging a hole for yourself if you are asked to prove the existence of God, the existence of angels and jinns, life after death, heaven and hell etc.

They are all articles of faith, and faith starts when logic and evidence ends. So the last word that any religious person should use in a discourse on religion is evidence, because it cannot end well.

 

[Mamoon]

God says in Torah that Jews are the chosen people.

The same God said in Quran Pak that Muslims are the best of human kind.

Now tell me how can God choose between the two?

The superiority of Bani Israel is established in the Quran as well.

يَا بَنِي إِسْرَ*ائِيلَ اذْكُرُ*وا نِعْمَتِيَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأَنِّي فَضَّلْتُكُمْ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ

Children of Israel, remember My blessing wherewith I blessed you, and that I have preferred you above all beings.

Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 47

 

[owais1]

The superiority of Bani Israel is established in the Quran as well.

يَا بَنِي إِسْرَ*ائِيلَ اذْكُرُ*وا نِعْمَتِيَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأَنِّي فَضَّلْتُكُمْ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ

Children of Israel, remember My blessing wherewith I blessed you, and that I have preferred you above all beings.

Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 47

Bani Israil was indeed blessed, untill they started doing wrong things and broke away with prophet musa. You should also mention the ayaat in which Allah tells us the injustice of Bani Israil.

It is actually the muslims which are superior, the best of all the nations as mentioned by the prophet

 

[guna]

The superiority of Bani Israel is established in the Quran as well.

يَا بَنِي إِسْرَ*ائِيلَ اذْكُرُ*وا نِعْمَتِيَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأَنِّي فَضَّلْتُكُمْ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ

Children of Israel, remember My blessing wherewith I blessed you, and that I have preferred you above all beings.

Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 47

There you go. Even Allah SWT has blessed them and prefers them above all. This should put an end to every discussion.

 

[IAJ]

The superiority of Bani Israel is established in the Quran as well.

يَا بَنِي إِسْرَ*ائِيلَ اذْكُرُ*وا نِعْمَتِيَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأَنِّي فَضَّلْتُكُمْ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ

Children of Israel, remember My blessing wherewith I blessed you, and that I have preferred you above all beings.

Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 47

There is more to this, this is in regard to Bani Israeel at Prophet Moses(as) time, and his followers were also muslims.
There is no doubt which religion Allah has preferred, see Sura Al-e-Imran; «Truly, Islam is the only Deen (Religion) in Allah’s sight....» (3-19)

 

[sa88]

Maybe we should chill out and take Bronze Age myths with a slight pinch of salt.

 

[guna]

There is more to this, this is in regard to Bani Israeel at Prophet Moses(as) time, and his followers were also muslims.
There is no doubt which religion Allah has preferred, see Sura Al-e-Imran; «Truly, Islam is the only Deen (Religion) in Allah’s sight....» (3-19)

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Man please. That is your claim. No Jew or Christian will believe that. Moses did not know who Allah SWT was.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus is Yahweh.

Are you saying that Arabs in Hijaj are part of Bani Israel?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The discussion is why Jews beleive this and more importantly why they are trying to bring this about quickly.

It seems nobody has the answers to this but are instead diverting to Islam. lol

 

[King-Misbah]

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Man please. That is your claim. No Jew or Christian will believe that. Moses did not know who Allah SWT was.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus is Yahweh.

Are you saying that Arabs in Hijaj are part of Bani Israel?

You do not know what your talking about.

 

[Tubs]

Are you Muslim?. That belief takes one out of the fold of Islam as it goes against the Quranic teaching.



The granth is just random musings of various ascetics and works Muslim Sufis, your point?.

And many others, myself including, believe the Quran to be the musings of ignorant people from medieval Arabia. That was my whole point.

 

[El Generico]

And many others, myself including, believe the Quran to be the musings of ignorant people from medieval Arabia. That was my whole point.

Dude, we get it you are an atheist who is to cool to believe in holy books. Why do you have to derail every thread with this stuff though?

It's clear the OP wants to have a discussion from the POV of religious text. You might believe that they are fair tales but what you believe is extremely irrelevant. This thread is about the Israeli leadership which is deeply religious and motivated by their prophecies.

 

[El Generico]

[MENTION=154070]guna[/MENTION] Bro reading Wikis and Islamic sites does no make you a Islamic scholar. Please stop embarrassing yourself by talking about stuff that you don't have the faintest idea of.

 

[guna]

[MENTION=154070]guna[/MENTION] Bro reading Wikis and Islamic sites does no make you a Islamic scholar. Please stop embarrassing yourself by talking about stuff that you don't have the faintest idea of.

Explain how Arabs are part of Bani Israel. It will be interesting to see how you can link them.

 

[Varun]

The discussion is why Jews beleive this and more importantly why they are trying to bring this about quickly.

It seems nobody has the answers to this but are instead diverting to Islam. lol

So basically two prophecies are on a collision course.

The only question to be answered is which one ends up being more wrong than the other.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So basically two prophecies are on a collision course.

The only question to be answered is which one ends up being more wrong than the other.

Each religion will believe their own.

The question is why are one set of people trying to bring about the end of times & the appearance of their Messiah? I know its a tough one for many to answer.

 

[ManFan]

As with all religious threads on PP, this had degraded quickly.

Faith and logic (science) require two separate standards of evidence; metaphysical/spiritual and thus subjective, and the other is empirical/objective.

To combine them or substitute one for the other in the other field, is wrong and will lead to little result.

 

[Varun]

Each religion will believe their own.

The question is why are one set of people trying to bring about the end of times & the appearance of their Messiah? I know its a tough one for many to answer.

It's actually an easy answer. Because unlike yours, their prophecy actually has a set timeline and the alarm is probably going to go off any moment now.

Learn from their go-getter attitude and do something before the word 'Palestine' becomes a term used to describe a barren wasteland.

 

[Zeshan547]

It's actually an easy answer. Because unlike yours, their prophecy actually has a set timeline and the alarm is probably going to go off any moment now.

Learn from their go-getter attitude and do something before the word 'Palestine' becomes a term used to describe a barren wasteland.

Amazing to know that Indian Hindus and some western atheist know more about Jews and Muslim and their texts than the followers of those religions themselves. Mtlb Khuch b... As other posted suggested plz stay away from things you have no clue about. As per the prophecies you don't or can't judge them on empirical evidence but on faith. But that's a concept alien to you guys. Nobody is forcing you to believe these religious prophecies.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Amazing to know that Indian Hindus and some western atheist know more about Jews and Muslim and their texts than the followers of those religions themselves. Mtlb Khuch b... As other posted suggested plz stay away from things you have no clue about. As per the prophecies you don't or can't judge them on empirical evidence but on faith. But that's a concept alien to you guys. Nobody is forcing you to believe these religious prophecies.

Anyone can learn about a religion. It’s the era of internet, you can find most of the things you want and non-Muslims or Christians could have better knowledge of it as their views are most likely to be unbiased and neutral unlike Muslims or Christians about their nationality

 

[Zeshan547]

Anyone can learn about a religion. It’s the era of internet, you can find most of the things you want and non-Muslims or Christians could have better knowledge of it as their views are most likely to be unbiased and neutral unlike Muslims or Christians about their nationality

Yeah their betterand neutral knowledge is on full display for all to see. At this point it's not even worth discussing. They just wanna have their cake and it eat as well too. They are not here for healthy discussion. Their agenda and hate for others religious belief is there for everyone to see.

 

[Technics 1210]

The OP is the cornerstone of the Amreeka and Isreal alliance - it's all about helping the Messiah return.

I'm more interested in the Gospel of Barnabas.

 

[Mamoon]

Bani Israil was indeed blessed, untill they started doing wrong things and broke away with prophet musa. You should also mention the ayaat in which Allah tells us the injustice of Bani Israil.

It is actually the muslims which are superior, the best of all the nations as mentioned by the prophet

There is more to this, this is in regard to Bani Israeel at Prophet Moses(as) time, and his followers were also muslims.
There is no doubt which religion Allah has preferred, see Sura Al-e-Imran; «Truly, Islam is the only Deen (Religion) in Allah’s sight....» (3-19)

Yes of course, and that is the point of divergence between Judaism and Islam. I was explaining to [MENTION=154070]guna[/MENTION] that even the Quran explicitly acknowledges that the Bani Israel were God’s chosen people.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

With evidence I mean 'daleel'. When you say that Isa (as) passed away and will not return you should back this up with some 'daleel'. You can't just type random stuff her and misguide people who doesn't have so much knowledge on topic.

And please, stop with this Javed Gamidi reference. Islam is not a religion where anyone can pop up out of nowhere and start interpretating the affair as it suis him. There is a 1400+ years solid chain of knowlegde out there. I don't get this you take your profession as doctor very seriously so how come Islam can be taken so lightly?

Read translation of Sura Nisa' (Sura no. 4 verses 157-158) where Allah SWT talkw about this very matter. And there are sound Ahadeeth from Muslim and Bkhari on the return of Prophet Isa (as).

If you have proper knowledge about a matter you will not dig a hole for yourself.

Aal-e-Imran 3:55
@ when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. The arabic word in this verse used is Mutawaffik which mean to give death. In view of the hadiths, it is translated as I will take you instead of I will give you death. In Quran there's zero verse that says Jesus will return. On the contrary, the Quran gives an indication of Jesus's death in this very verse. Coming to the hadith, there's an authentic one in Muslim that says that both Antichrist & Jesus will emerge right after muslims conquer Constantinople(Istanbul). Muslims have conquered Constantinople in the 15th century and still there's no sign of Jesus & Anri-Christ. It's time we seriously review these hadiths which are circulated as being authentic, many of which contradict the Quran.;

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

That is why I referred you to the explanation of Ghamidi on this subject. He has provided his daleel in light of his interpretation of the verses in Quran and hadees concerning Hazrat Isa. If you do not like Ghamidi you can refer to the work of Allama Iqbal and Ubaidullah Sindhi on this matter.


When the Hazrat Isa doesn’t return and the world ends, the same mullahs and scholars will then follow the interpretation of Ghamidi to accommodate their faith.



Ghamidi provided his interpretation on these verses.

https://youtu.be/0wa8ybAX5ks

https://youtu.be/xRMDiHI9Wug

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I have read the verses of Surah An-Nisa # 157 & 158 as posted by @IAJ
&
also listened these video (links) of Ghamidi.

But [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] how will you describe verse # 159 of same Surah

https://quran.com/4
"Every one of the People of the Book will definitely believe in him before his death. And on the Day of Judgment Jesus will be a witness against them."

in 33 AC, He has only 10 followers. It means he will definitely come back, (would kill dajjal, .....) & every one would follow him.

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

The superiority of Bani Israel is established in the Quran as well.

يَا بَنِي إِسْرَ*ائِيلَ اذْكُرُ*وا نِعْمَتِيَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأَنِّي فَضَّلْتُكُمْ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ

Children of Israel, remember My blessing wherewith I blessed you, and that I have preferred you above all beings.

Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 47

[MENTION=132802]owais1[/MENTION] , [MENTION=140585]Gunn[/MENTION]a , [MENTION=18398]IAJ[/MENTION] , & @all those who replied to this post

This verse uses past tense. It means superiority of Bani-Israel is a thing of past.

So, who is the chosen Religion now?
"Today I have perfected your faith for you, completed My favor upon you, and chosen Islam as your way" (Sura Al-Ma'idah verse # 5 ;;; This verse was revealed on Day of Arafah)

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

Aal-e-Imran 3:55
@ when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. The arabic word in this verse used is Mutawaffik which mean to give death. In view of the hadiths, it is translated as I will take you instead of I will give you death. In Quran there's zero verse that says Jesus will return. On the contrary, the Quran gives an indication of Jesus's death in this very verse. Coming to the hadith, there's an authentic one in Muslim that says that both [B]Antichrist & Jesus will emerge right after Muslims conquer Constantinople(Istanbul)[/B]. Muslims have conquered Constantinople in the 15th century and still there's no sign of Jesus & Anri-Christ. It's time we seriously review these hadiths which are circulated as being authentic, many of which contradict the Quran.[/QUOTE] Ahadith on this topic says ***Muslim will conquer Constantinople during the reign of Imam Mehdi A.S when 70,000 of children of Prophet Isaaq A.S (Father of Prophet Israel A.S) will conquer Constantinople. This conquest will happen after the defeat of People of Rome by Muslims. After conquest of Constantinople Antichrist will emerge & Hazrat Isa A.S would descend & kill antichrist*** >>>> it means Muslims/Turkey will soon lose Constantinople to Christians/Rome. Then, will re-conquer it before emergence of Antichrist.;

 

[Tubs]

Dude, we get it you are an atheist who is to cool to believe in holy books. Why do you have to derail every thread with this stuff though?

It's clear the OP wants to have a discussion from the POV of religious text. You might believe that they are fair tales but what you believe is extremely irrelevant. This thread is about the Israeli leadership which is deeply religious and motivated by their prophecies.

The post you quoted was in relation to someone calling a holybook of a different religion false. It is relevant.

My whole point about the holybooks being untrue, or at least being unable to demonstrate their veracity, is relevant to this whole point, because so many people commit violence in the name of them. If they weren't taken on face value for the purpose of tradition and indoctrination, there would be less violence and conflict.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Ahadith on this topic says ***Muslim will conquer Constantinople during the reign of Imam Mehdi A.S when 70,000 of children of Prophet Isaaq A.S (Father of Prophet Israel A.S) will conquer Constantinople. This conquest will happen after the defeat of People of Rome by Muslims. After conquest of Constantinople Antichrist will emerge & Hazrat Isa A.S would descend & kill antichrist***
>>>> it means Muslims/Turkey will soon lose Constantinople to Christians/Rome. Then, will re-conquer it before emergence of Antichrist.

These hadiths are more like the muslim version of jewish myths. Most stories of the great war, coming of messiah, coming of dajjal are judeo-christian myths & believes that have crept into Islam.
For the hadith of Constantinople to be true,
1. Turkey has to lose instanbul[which means they'll collapse as a nation]
2. World will go back to the age of sword[the war will be fought with swords according to the hadith]
3. Concept of Mal-Ganimat(war booty) will return as muslims will share war booties among themselves.
4. Romans will emerge again.

To prove the validity of this hadith, you have to enter your kingdom of imagination. For me this hadith has already proven to be false as neither dajjal nor Messiah have shown up with the muslim conquest of Constantinople.

 

[PakLFC]

Jewish messiah is the Dajjal-al-Masih in Islam and anti-Christ in Christianity. Fir sure he is returning.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

These hadiths are more like the muslim version of jewish myths. Most stories of the great war, coming of messiah, coming of dajjal are judeo-christian myths & believes that have crept into Islam.
For the hadith of Constantinople to be true,
1. Turkey has to lose instanbul[which means they'll collapse as a nation]
2. World will go back to the age of sword[the war will be fought with swords according to the hadith]
3. Concept of Mal-Ganimat(war booty) will return as muslims will share war booties among themselves.
4. Romans will emerge again.

To prove the validity of this hadith, you have to enter your kingdom of imagination. For me this hadith has already proven to be false as neither dajjal nor Messiah have shown up with the muslim conquest of Constantinople.

That's one of the events that has to occur, not immediately after.

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

These hadiths are more like the muslim version of jewish myths. Most stories of the great war, coming of messiah, coming of dajjal are judeo-christian myths & believes that have crept into Islam.
For the hadith of Constantinople to be true,
1. Turkey has to lose Istanbul[which means they'll collapse as a nation]
2. World will go back to the age of sword[the war will be fought with swords according to the hadith]
3. Concept of Mal-Ganimat(war booty) will return as Muslims will share war booties among themselves.
4. Romans will emerge again.

To prove the validity of this hadith, you have to enter your kingdom of imagination. For me this hadith has already proven to be false as neither dajjal nor Messiah have shown up with the Muslim conquest of Constantinople.

1. This. Turkey has to lose Constantinople. (if above Hadith is true)
2. "WWIV would be fought with sticks" if WWIII has to happen.
4. I think, in Ahadith, Rome means Christians. (As A.T some Ahadith, Rome will come with 80 Flags & with each flag, there would be 12,000 soldiers. 80*12,000=960,000 >>> it means Rome = Christians)

Turkey & Kurds are in a state of fight. If Turkey starts full scale operation against Syrian Kurds, EU/(UNO)/USA will have the reason to attack Turkey. etc etc. (This is all imagination at this point of time.)

 

[Varun]

These hadiths are more like the muslim version of jewish myths. Most stories of the great war, coming of messiah, coming of dajjal are judeo-christian myths & believes that have crept into Islam.
For the hadith of Constantinople to be true,
1. Turkey has to lose instanbul[which means they'll collapse as a nation]
2. World will go back to the age of sword[the war will be fought with swords according to the hadith]
3. Concept of Mal-Ganimat(war booty) will return as muslims will share war booties among themselves.
4. Romans will emerge again.

To prove the validity of this hadith, you have to enter your kingdom of imagination. For me this hadith has already proven to be false as neither dajjal nor Messiah have shown up with the muslim conquest of Constantinople.

I know. Its like reading a very old encyclopedia. You know the information is severely obsolete (Romans lol) but you want to escape from today's complicated world at times.

 

[sindhiboy]

These hadiths are more like the muslim version of jewish myths. Most stories of the great war, coming of messiah, coming of dajjal are judeo-christian myths & believes that have crept into Islam.
For the hadith of Constantinople to be true,
1. Turkey has to lose instanbul[which means they'll collapse as a nation]
2. World will go back to the age of sword[the war will be fought with swords according to the hadith]
3. Concept of Mal-Ganimat(war booty) will return as muslims will share war booties among themselves.
4. Romans will emerge again.

To prove the validity of this hadith, you have to enter your kingdom of imagination. For me this hadith has already proven to be false as neither dajjal nor Messiah have shown up with the muslim conquest of Constantinople.

The west is modern day Rome

 

[sindhiboy]

I have read the verses of Surah An-Nisa # 157 & 158 as posted by @IAJ
&
also listened these video (links) of Ghamidi.

But [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] how will you describe verse # 159 of same Surah

https://quran.com/4
"Every one of the People of the Book will definitely believe in him before his death. And on the Day of Judgment Jesus will be a witness against them."

in 33 AC, He has only 10 followers. It means he will definitely come back, (would kill dajjal, .....) & every one would follow him.

Notice how the verse states" on the Day of Judgement". This does not refer to the events in end times, but after that, on the day of resurrection.

 

[Mamoon]

I have read the verses of Surah An-Nisa # 157 & 158 as posted by @IAJ
&
also listened these video (links) of Ghamidi.

But [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] how will you describe verse # 159 of same Surah

https://quran.com/4
"Every one of the People of the Book will definitely believe in him before his death. And on the Day of Judgment Jesus will be a witness against them."

in 33 AC, He has only 10 followers. It means he will definitely come back, (would kill dajjal, .....) & every one would follow him.

Hazrat Isa will definitely be a witness against the Christians on the Day of Judgement. Like every soul that has ever lived on earth, he too will be raised from the dead and will occupy his special place alongside other prophets and messengers of Allah (SWT).

He will testify that he was not divine and not the Holy Spirit. He was simply a prophet of Allah (SWT) whose miracle was that he was born without a father.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's actually an easy answer. Because unlike yours, their prophecy actually has a set timeline and the alarm is probably going to go off any moment now.

Learn from their go-getter attitude and do something before the word 'Palestine' becomes a term used to describe a barren wasteland.

There is no timeline, there is only signs ,unless you can show me this timeline?

The Zionist Jews are going against their own teachings, no Messiah , No temple yet the people are back in the holy land? Not to forget the 10 commandents esp DO NOT STEAL (Palsetinian land) & DO NOT MURDER.

Palestine and Palestinians are here to stay and will eventually be free from the evil which is imprisoning them.

 

[guna]

Hazrat Isa will definitely be a witness against the Christians on the Day of Judgement. Like every soul that has ever lived on earth, he too will be raised from the dead and will occupy his special place alongside other prophets and messengers of Allah (SWT).

He will testify that he was not divine and not the Holy Spirit. He was simply a prophet of Allah (SWT) whose miracle was that he was born without a father.

How can Isa be raised from dead when he did not die like Christians believe?

According to Islam Isa was lifted to heavens by Allah SWT and a fake man got crucified on the cross instead. Basically Allah SWT fooled a whole bunch of people. Isa is right now sitting in heavens with Allah SWT as I type this.

 

[Technics 1210]

How can Isa be raised from dead when he did not die like Christians believe?

According to Islam Isa was lifted to heavens by Allah SWT and a fake man got crucified on the cross instead. Basically Allah SWT fooled a whole bunch of people. Isa is right now sitting in heavens with Allah SWT as I type this.

The soul never dies.

Which religion have you been readin troll?

 

[guna]

There is no timeline, there is only signs ,unless you can show me this timeline?

The Zionist Jews are going against their own teachings, no Messiah , No temple yet the people are back in the holy land? Not to forget the 10 commandents esp DO NOT STEAL (Palsetinian land) & DO NOT MURDER.

Palestine and Palestinians are here to stay and will eventually be free from the evil which is imprisoning them.

In Jews case, they do not consider taking over Palestine as stealing. They believe they are only claiming what rightfully belongs to them. Its all perspective.

 

[guna]

The soul never dies.

Which religion have you been readin troll?

Which religion do you follow troll?

 

[Technics 1210]

Which religion do you follow troll?

So you agree the soul never dies.

That is all.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In Jews case, they do not consider taking over Palestine as stealing. They believe they are only claiming what rightfully belongs to them. Its all perspective.

I know this but you & I are not so retarted to accept this, I hope you dont?

Israelis are so confused as Israel exist but the Messiah is nowhere to been?

 

[guna]

So you agree the soul never dies.

That is all.

I was talking about Islamic Isa who did not die on the cross and he was lifted up to heaven. I don't know why you are talking about soul here.