Can any Muslim nation maul Israel before the end of times?

A simple answer NO, because direct confrontation with Israel means direct confrontation with US

Which is why the OP is flawed from the outset. As the saying goes, you don't take a knife to a gunfight.

Frankly most of us are bored with hearing such laments of Muslim nations mauling this or that country. They aren't in any position to do so, even if it was the right thing to do. Even Israel is limited in what they can do otherwise I am sure they would have solved the Hizbollah problem already.
 
Islam is the religion of mercy and peace. Islam allowed the Jews and Christians to remain in Muslim lands, and did not expel them or kill them, as they did and still do when they gain control over Muslim lands. But it is also well known among Muslims that they will overcome Zions before the end of times and would end the tyranny once and for all.

But the big question is it the fate of Muslims to suffer before the end of times or any Muslim nation can still give them a taste of their medicine before it.
So are you advocating for Israel to be wiped off? Are you then advocating for genocide? Your last paragraph contradicts with the first sentence.
 
Bhagat Singh wasn't labelled a terrorist. Many Muslims are.

Nelson Mandela was not on UN terrorist list until 2008. Many Muslims including pakistanis are.

Fact is People all over the world have been affected by muslim terrorist attacks. Not Hindu Not Jew Not Buddhists.Not even Christians these days.

You can keep whining. But thats the truth.
He would have been if he was a Muslim.
 
Up until 2008, where exactly did you study if at all? Mandela became SA president in 1994 and India never cared about what the world called Mandela up until then. india was the first country to visit SA after their readmission into ICC and the first thing Indian cricketers did as asked by the government of the day was to meet Mandela at the ANC headquarters to show their support to him, way back in 1991. If i were to explain you in a simple manner - India officially respected and honoured Mandela more than Pakistan does its hero say Hafiz Saeed.
Read the comment then understand the context then try to reply.
 
Sometimes however i do wonder what it must be like being an angry young Muslim man. By sheer numbers Islam is the 2nd largest religion in the world, they have control of 56 countries and yet they have no flex at all.

In the Arab world, where the majority of the Muslim nations are, the Jewish Israel remains the overwhelming big dawg and keeps the entire Islamic peninsula submissive to them.

In South East Asia, where there are some of the most sensibly populated Muslim nations, Hindu Bharat & Atheist China are the dominant nations and dictate terms.


If i was a Muslim man, i would be frustrated about all that and i too would be extremely angry and would most likely have joined one of these Islamist terror organizations.
If by 'big dawg' you mean the impressive talent for committing genocide with complete impunity, then hats off to a nation that Gandhi left behind. Truly, it’s remarkable how Hindutva managed to turn his legacy into a masterclass in irony, considering he fought against the colonizers who orchestrated famine induced genocide in India. Bravo!
 
If by 'big dawg' you mean the impressive talent for committing genocide with complete impunity, then hats off to a nation that Gandhi left behind. Truly, it’s remarkable how Hindutva managed to turn his legacy into a masterclass in irony, considering he fought against the colonizers who orchestrated famine induced genocide in India. Bravo!


The good thing is forget about lies, if you even say truth it means nothing because hardly anyone in this age takes an Islamist seriously. You guys have collectively lost credibility globally.
Comparing Hezbollah and Hamas militants to Bhagat Singh lol 😂 and you desire to be listened to. 😂😂
 
The good thing is forget about lies, if you even say truth it means nothing because hardly anyone in this age takes an Islamist seriously. You guys have collectively lost credibility globally.
Comparing Hezbollah and Hamas militants to Bhagat Singh lol 😂 and you desire to be listened to. 😂😂
You have built a reputation of articulating your thoughts better than Joshila type here.

You can do better.
 
So are you also advocating for Israel to be wiped off? Are you then advocating for genocide as well?

What should ideally happen for regional peace and security is the crazy right-wing government and zionists regime being overthrown and the Palestinians and Jews living together in one democratic state where all have equal rights

Instead of the occupied apartheid state the zionists and west have created
 

Erdoğan urges Islamic unity following Nasrallah assassination, calls for stronger stance against Israel​


Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan called for stronger unity among Islamic nations in response to the assassination of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah by Israeli airstrikes in Beirut on Saturday. Erdoğan condemned the killing as part of Israel’s wider campaign of what he called “state terrorism” in the region, which he said is destabilising Lebanon and the broader Middle East.

“No one with a conscience can accept this massacre,” Erdoğan said in his statement, referring to Israel’s military actions in Lebanon. He urged Muslim countries to show a more “decisive” stance in opposing Israel’s expanding influence and aggression.

Erdoğan also called on the United Nations and the international community to intervene, stressing that Israel’s policies of occupation and violence were spreading beyond Palestine, affecting Lebanon and other regional states. “The madness Israel has unleashed in Gaza and Ramallah is now being exported to Lebanon,” he stated, adding that Turkey would continue to stand by the Lebanese people during this difficult time.

The president’s comments come amid mounting tension across the region, as Israeli airstrikes intensify and civilian casualties rise in both Lebanon and Gaza. Erdoğan emphasised that military support from Israel’s allies was enabling Israel to act with impunity, violating international law and humanitarian values.

Erdoğan, who has been vocal about strengthening ties with Muslim-majority nations, reiterated his commitment to building stronger cooperation across the region. “As Muslim countries, we must unite against these acts of aggression and work towards lasting peace,” he said. In a recent statement, made before departing for the UN General Assembly, Erdoğan also called for renewed dialogue with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, framing cooperation between Muslim nations as key to stabilising the region and resolving conflicts.

Meanwhile, Russia too has condemned the assassination of Nasrallah, describing it as a “political assassination” that risks triggering further instability in Lebanon. In a statement, the Russian Foreign Ministry called for an immediate halt to hostilities, holding Israel responsible for the consequences of its actions.

 
Erdogan says Israel will be stopped ‘sooner or later'

Turkiye’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday condemned Israel’s ground operation in Lebanon and urged the United Nations and other international organisations to stop Israel without “wasting any more time”.

“Whatever it does, Israel will be stopped sooner or later,” Erdogan told the Turkish parliament at the opening of the legislative year.

“All state and international organisations, especially the UN, must stop Israel without wasting any more time,” he added.

The Israeli army said it launched a ground offensive in Lebanon and that its forces engaged in clashes Tuesday, escalating the conflict after a week of intense air strikes that killed hundreds.

Erdogan said “the terror and genocide” Israel has carried out in Gaza has reached Lebanon and warned if not stopped, the Israeli leadership would set its sights on Turkiye.

“I openly say that the Israeli leadership, acting with the delirium of the promised land and with a purely religious fanaticism, will set its sights on our homeland after Palestine and Lebanon,” Erdogan said, again comparing Prime Minister Netanyahu to Nazi Germany’s Adolf Hitler.

“Just as Hitler, who saw himself in a giant mirror, was stopped, Netanyahu will be stopped in the same way,” he said.

Source: Business Recorder
 
None of the countries that Israel has beaten are Islaimic in any sense- they are just mafia states ruled by Kleptocracies. They lack the humanity and spirit to be considered as Islamic. Through corruption, they buy fake weapons which don't work but make the middlemen billions, the leaders are already in Jannat and the public are smashed by these guys.
 
Every Muslim nation should aquire nukes .

If the Zionist scm want to kill you with bombs, take them with you along with the rest of the world. I’m sure then India & it’s Hindutva fanatics will pull out their medieval super weapons to save the world
Pak has nukes. why don't they use it save their Palestinian brothers?

Oh wait Pakistani mercenaries are known for killing Palestinians in behalf of their arab masters
 
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Pak has nukes. why don't they use it save their Palestinian brothers?

Oh wait Pakistani mercenaries are known for killing Palestinians in behalf of their arab masters

Pak establishment are bought off at present .

But Hindutva will save world ! Even if Hindus have no brothers outside of Bombay .
 
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People of Gaza and Palestine are so valiant, trust me if they had and organized and proper army then they wouldn't have let the zines do the same with any other country.
 
Not any so called Muslim nations. These are manufactured to suit the enemies of Islam and humiliate Muslims. You look at both Saudi and Iran- 2 countries that are about Islamic as Netanyahu and are more determined to damage each other than any none Muslim country, look at PK, a country that has more fake religiousity than probably any other Muslim country. We are not in a good place
 
Islam is the religion of mercy and peace. Islam allowed the Jews and Christians to remain in Muslim lands, and did not expel them or kill them, as they did and still do when they gain control over Muslim lands. But it is also well known among Muslims that they will overcome Zions before the end of times and would end the tyranny once and for all.

But the big question is it the fate of Muslims to suffer before the end of times or any Muslim nation can still give them a taste of their medicine before it.
No it is not. But the men of Islam must really frustrated that they cannot control anything now. The world has moved on to do advanced things and culture, 56 Muslim nations have been left behind.
 
Islam is the religion of mercy and peace. Islam allowed the Jews and Christians to remain in Muslim lands, and did not expel them or kill them, as they did and still do when they gain control over Muslim lands. But it is also well known among Muslims that they will overcome Zions before the end of times and would end the tyranny once and for all.

But the big question is it the fate of Muslims to suffer before the end of times or any Muslim nation can still give them a taste of their medicine before it.
Muslims will continue to suffer , mark my words. Israel will take over a large portion of land and make it Greater Israel.
Prophet had clearly said that even though Muslims will be in large numbers , they will treated with disrespect and will have no authority. We can see that happening.

The reason , first is Khilafat e Rashda was harmed by Muawiyah and still now we did not restore that.

Second , the enemies of islam have planted the seeds of division in the ummah in such a way , that we simply hate each other.

Thirdly even though Muslims claim that they will be judged on the day of judgement , from inside they love world so much that all there actions are directly related to the present life.
 
No it is not. But the men of Islam must really frustrated that they cannot control anything now. The world has moved on to do advanced things and culture, 56 Muslim nations have been left behind.
What did you understand about the statement that Islam is peaceful religion ?
 
Foolish equivalence. Bhagat Singh was Indian, for me he was a freedom fighter as he was fighting vs a foreign occupier that directly affected Indians. i dont need subjectivity about some bearded guy in a cave planning to blow up public places. Doesn’t hold the same emotional value for me.

Some Iranian maulana doesn’t need the same subjectivity. Anyone looking for such equivalences are terror sympathizers. Period!

But the Government that was ruling India that time did brand him as a Terrorist , someone who is challenging authority of British.

The LTTE were branded as Terrorist , but if you ask the Tamilians for them they are freedom fighters.
 
Islam is the religion of mercy and peace. Islam allowed the Jews and Christians to remain in Muslim lands, and did not expel them or kill them, as they did and still do when they gain control over Muslim lands. But it is also well known among Muslims that they will overcome Zions before the end of times and would end the tyranny once and for all.

But the big question is it the fate of Muslims to suffer before the end of times or any Muslim nation can still give them a taste of their medicine before it.
  • Abraham Lincoln: [greeting a pair of visitors from Jefferson City] I heard tell once of a Jefferson City lawyer who had a parrot that would wake him each morning crying out 'today's the day the world shall end as scripture has foretold'. And one day, the lawyer shot him for the sake of peace and quiet I presume, thus fulfilling, for the bird at least, his prophecy.
 
I don't need to define when world most wanted terrorist is labelled as a "martyr" .

But you wrote most terrorists are Muslims , so you must be knowing who are terrorist , if you do not have a definition , then how your brain fitted those Muslims into that category ?
 
But you wrote most terrorists are Muslims , so you must be knowing who are terrorist , if you do not have a definition , then how your brain fitted those Muslims into that category ?
You're not so innocent. Everyone know where is UN wanted terrorist are living and which religion they are belong .try again
 
  • Abraham Lincoln: [greeting a pair of visitors from Jefferson City] I heard tell once of a Jefferson City lawyer who had a parrot that would wake him each morning crying out 'today's the day the world shall end as scripture has foretold'. And one day, the lawyer shot him for the sake of peace and quiet I presume, thus fulfilling, for the bird at least, his prophecy.
But you forgot to mention that lawyer has also died 3 centuries ago. Moral of the story tyrant never remains immortal.
 
We can always bend the language and definitions to make even the likes of Bin Laden not to dissimilar to Dalai Lama.

But there must be some definition , accepted by the world? Its easy to make a generic , ambiguous statement and run away.
 
You're not so innocent. Everyone know where is UN wanted terrorist are living and which religion they are belong .try again

I did not ask about UN , I just wanted to know how do we define a terrorist , what are the things we need to look iro when we label someone as one of them.
 
Is this what is taught in Pakistani history books ?
He does tell you the full story. Jews and Christians are allowed to live under Arab rule as long as they remain subordinate and pay Jazya with their heads bowed in shame.
 
He does tell you the full story. Jews and Christians are allowed to live under Arab rule as long as they remain subordinate and pay Jazya with their heads bowed in shame.

An Islamic state is run by zakat which is compulsory for Muslims.
A non muslim does not believe in Quran and hadeeth so naturally no zakat for them. But you need them to pay money like other Muslims , otherwise a state cannot run.

That money which is called as Tax now , was known as Jiziya for Non Muslims. Is that wrong ?
 
Hindutva would probably fight for dinosaur rights on the land before acknowledging actual people who lived there and—gasp—converted to Islam. So yeah, they’re pretty much anti-Muslim in the most prehistoric way possible.
 
Latest estimates around the world:
jews = 20 million
sunny muslims =1.7 billion
shia muslims = 230 million

If there was ever a case to be made for prioritizing quality over quantity, this it IT.

20 mil vs. 2 bil. And look who's being mauled.

Israel receives protection from USA regularly. Without USA, Israel may lose the war very quickly.
 
Israel receives protection from USA regularly. Without USA, Israel may lose the war very quickly.


Facts first. Do you know how much aid Israel gets from the USA? It gets about 10% of its defense budget from the USA. Rest is used from Israel's GDP. It spends close to 5% of its GDP on defense - one of the highest in the world. So even if USA withdrew its aud to isra6- Israel can still sustain the war. And Israel has eveey right to defend itself against those who want to wipe it off the map. Israel is going nowhere- if Palestinians cant live with it the longer this issue will drag on.
 
Latest estimates around the world:
jews = 20 million
sunny muslims =1.7 billion
shia muslims = 230 million

If there was ever a case to be made for prioritizing quality over quantity, this it IT.

20 mil vs. 2 bil. And look who's being mauled.

Modern Day wars are not fought on the one to one fights. Israel knows that no matter how many International treaties they break nothing will happen , because US is there to Veto.
 
Modern Day wars are not fought on the one to one fights. Israel knows that no matter how many International treaties they break nothing will happen , because US is there to Veto.
And guess who is the biggest puppet of US -- Pak ! Israel is going nowhere. The sooner the Palestinians and Muslims worldwide realize that, the better. got to get to the table, work something out so that both Israel and Palestine live in peace. The river to the sea talk will only heap more misery. Will not be easy, but Palestinians will only lose more land the further it this drags on.
 
O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other.1 Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

Quran 5:51

This fact laid out 1400 years ago.

And yet muslims proclaiming americans taking care of israel as if it's something new. Pertinently, these same muslims killing themselves to migrate to lands of christians and jews -- and actively paying taxes to support those economies.

Per qurannic label, such muslims are munafiqs. Worse than kaffir.
 
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Short answer to thread question: No

Long answer to thread question: No
 
Israel receives protection from USA regularly. Without USA, Israel may lose the war very quickly.
Majority American entrepreneurs are Zionists/Jews too, it’s not only about America it’s about how Zionists have control over Canada/UK/Aus as well.

You literally pay taxes to them.
 
The Iran-Iraq war Iraq received a lot of support from US but strong leadership of Khomeini(not Khameini) made sure Iran sustained and won.
 
And guess who is the biggest puppet of US -- Pak ! Israel is going nowhere. The sooner the Palestinians and Muslims worldwide realize that, the better. got to get to the table, work something out so that both Israel and Palestine live in peace. The river to the sea talk will only heap more misery. Will not be easy, but Palestinians will only lose more land the further it this drags on.
Time will take its own course.

Right now , I think not much can be done. But oppressors will eventually pay for their deeds.
 
O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other.1 Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
Quran 5:51


This fact laid out 1400 years ago.

And yet muslims proclaiming americans taking care of israel as if it's something new. Pertinently, these same muslims killing themselves to migrate to lands of christians and jews -- and actively paying taxes to support those economies.

Per qurannic label, such muslims are munafiqs. Worse than kaffir.
Israel is the only democracy in middle east and some people wonder why US and West support them. :rolleyes:

Christians also have vested interest in Judaism as they still believe in Old Testament and its stories. So Judaism and Christianity are strongly intertwined.

Islam rejected both these Testaments, called them corrupted and came up with their own version of the stories. But Islam retained all of Jewish Prophets and replaced the Jewish God with Arab God.

Regarding the Surah you posted, it is quite clear and the author of the book clearly knows the difference between Judeo-Christian God and the Monotheistic Arab God.
 
Pakistan is a Nuclear power, it only needs a one mad man to do that . and its only Genrl Hafiz sahab who can do it with his stunted brain growth .....
You got a point there it would be madness of a move.

It would literally be the end of Pakistan as we know it.

Its best for converts to mind their own business and let the arab, jews original ppl of the book fight out their wars, thats the smart thing to do.
 
O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other.1 Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
Quran 5:51


This fact laid out 1400 years ago.

And yet muslims proclaiming americans taking care of israel as if it's something new. Pertinently, these same muslims killing themselves to migrate to lands of christians and jews -- and actively paying taxes to support those economies.

Per qurannic label, such muslims are munafiqs. Worse than kaffir.
You are not a muslim but masquerading as one, good try though
 
Israel is the only democracy in middle east and some people wonder why US and West support them. :rolleyes:

Christians also have vested interest in Judaism as they still believe in Old Testament and its stories. So Judaism and Christianity are strongly intertwined.

Islam rejected both these Testaments, called them corrupted and came up with their own version of the stories. But Islam retained all of Jewish Prophets and replaced the Jewish God with Arab God.

Regarding the Surah you posted, it is quite clear and the author of the book clearly knows the difference between Judeo-Christian God and the Monotheistic Arab God.

This doesn't mean that much. US and the West also support many Arab nations in the region which are not democracies. Neither does being a democracy excuse genocide. We should be prepared to call it for what it is regardless of democracy.
 
This doesn't mean that much. US and the West also support many Arab nations in the region which are not democracies. Neither does being a democracy excuse genocide. We should be prepared to call it for what it is regardless of democracy.
US and West support some monarchies because they are Pro-West. There is no real ideological connection between West and countries like Saudia. Its purely transactional. It can go wrong anytime. MBS seems to be pragmatic and modernist. Good for Saudi Arabia.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen. This is an example of a forked tongue.

On one hand siding with the "oppressors" by living in their land, and financially supporting "oppression" of others. On the flip side, wishing demise of the same "oppressors".

Matching all of below.

Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said,
There are four signs that make someone a pure hypocrite and whoever has them has a characteristic of hypocrisy until he abandons it:
(1) when he speaks he lies;
(2) when he makes a covenant he is treacherous;
(3) when he makes a promise he breaks it; and
(4) when he argues he is wicked.

The issue with you is that when someone responds to you , you just run away , what is the point of answering your comment ? You are not here for serious discussion , you are just here for troll .

If you are here for serious discussion , I will surely like to have one , that is the reason I am here for.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen. This is an example of a forked tongue.

On one hand siding with the "oppressors" by living in their land, and financially supporting "oppression" of others. On the flip side, wishing demise of the same "oppressors".

Matching all of below.

Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said,
There are four signs that make someone a pure hypocrite and whoever has them has a characteristic of hypocrisy until he abandons it:
(1) when he speaks he lies;
(2) when he makes a covenant he is treacherous;
(3) when he makes a promise he breaks it; and
(4) when he argues he is wicked.
No one can live by the ideals of people who lived centuries ago. Different times and situations.

People from 7th century would not have guessed that Muslims around the world will be living under non-muslim rule in Millions.
Its a tough situation for true believers. Loyalty towards religion vs Livelihood and comforts.
 
This doesn't mean that much. US and the West also support many Arab nations in the region which are not democracies. Neither does being a democracy excuse genocide. We should be prepared to call it for what it is regardless of democracy.
But it cant be selective. All these are genocides - China on Uiyghurs, Saudi on Yemanese, Assad on Syrians, Islamic Radical terrorists on KP's.. West supports ME countries on a purely transactional basis. Israel's reaction is due to Oct 7th and constant Hamas rockets and terrorist attacks. Dont think Hamas ever ever had a peace proposal to offer or discuss.
 
But it cant be selective. All these are genocides - China on Uiyghurs, Saudi on Yemanese, Assad on Syrians, Islamic Radical terrorists on KP's.. West supports ME countries on a purely transactional basis. Israel's reaction is due to Oct 7th and constant Hamas rockets and terrorist attacks. Dont think Hamas ever ever had a peace proposal to offer or discuss.

I think only ones being selective are hindutva bots spamming support of every genocide against Muslims. It is clear in their posts, when called out on their support of israeli genocide, they will defend this by quoting genocides carried out by dictatorships in muslim countries. For them every Muslim death is a celebration.
 
No one can live by the ideals of people who lived centuries ago. Different times and situations.

People from 7th century would not have guessed that Muslims around the world will be living under non-muslim rule in Millions.
Its a tough situation for true believers. Loyalty towards religion vs Livelihood and comforts.
As the saying goes islam is for all times.

Actually there is a seventh century precedent in place to migrate from offending non-muslim lands/rulers back to purity. It's called hijrat.

Fact is these "muslims" find it unfeasible to adhere to islamic teachings in modern times. Then have the audacity to label others as non/ex-muslim, aethist et al.

One law for me, another for thee.
 
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