Jewish Messiah is returning?

[WhenSultansBowled]

In Jews case, they do not consider taking over Palestine as stealing. They believe they are only claiming what rightfully belongs to them. Its all perspective.

The Bani-Israel (let's wrongfully call them original Jews, and I say wrongfully because they were Ahlil-Kitab/People of Book/ Original Muslims, yep.) were the Chosen ones. Prophet Musa PBUH of Allah personally saved and escorted them from Pharaoh (evil) of those times.
But Bani-Israel didn't follow the One Religion; they modified the Book, made a 'gold forged cow' their god and you know the rest.

Later, what Isa (PBUH) preached was also the One Religion, but his followers made Isa (PBUH) God's son, modified the book and you know the rest.

Muhammad (PBUH) also preached the One Religion; there are schisms here but the Book won't be modified by Ummah (all of us who are born from Prophet Muhammad PBUH's time until the DOJ: Day of Judgment) this time.

Since Jews don't have the Original Book and a great section of them has resorted to Zionism. But there is a group called 'guardians of the city' who believe this:

Neturei Karta stress what is said in the mussaf Shemona Esrei ("The Standing Prayer") of Yom Tov, that because of their sins, the Jewish people went into exile from the Land of Israel ("umipnei chatoeinu golinu meiartzeinu"). Additionally, they maintain the view – based on the Babylonian Talmud – that any form of forceful recapture of the Land of Israel is a violation of divine will. They believe that the restoration of the Land of Israel to the Jews should happen only with the coming of the Messiah, not by self-determination.

Source: Wikipedia

So that's that.

On Messiah:
The Dajjāl is an evil being who will seek to impersonate the true Messiah. Religious Jews/Christians will be fooled by him but as [MENTION=151127]Manunited18[/MENTION] has said some Zionists/Atheists might know what's going on and will still follow him blindly to gain power. True Believers will recognize him and die in a losing battle alongside Imam Mehdi*...

And then finally like a Hero, Isa (PBUH) will descend and clean the mess.



PS: You neo-Zionist-Indian guys have no idea what you are talking about and at least should read a bit before pushing your absurd agendas. All of us at Pakpassion are too grownups for this anyways

PS2: Please feel free to correct me and elaborate. Looking forward to it.
*Some say Imam Mehdi will be a title of Isa PBUH and not a separate person.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The so called atheist logic for supporting Israel is incredibly flawed. They will jump through hoops to state how Jews deserve Israel despite on the basis of the Bible/Torah despite allegedly claiming that they don't believe in these books.

Despite their assertions that Israel is only supported because its a "democracy" or now because its LGBT friendly (lol) the western world supports Israel for religious reasons. You can read between the lines and this becomes very obvious.

A naive athiest or non-abrhamic believer will question the narrations of end times but its no coincidence that the major global flashpoints of today - Yemen, Shaam, Najd etc have been spoken about extensively in religious scriptures.

In fact, in the 1920's the hadith about Muslims and jews fighting before the end times would have seemed a logistical impossibility.....but 100 years later here we are.....

 

[guna]

The Bani-Israel (let's wrongfully call them original Jews, and I say wrongfully because they were Ahlil-Kitab/People of Book/ Original Muslims, yep.) were the Chosen ones. Prophet Musa PBUH of Allah personally saved and escorted them from Pharaoh (evil) of those times.
But Bani-Israel didn't follow the One Religion; they modified the Book, made a 'gold forged cow' their god and you know the rest.

Later, what Isa (PBUH) preached was also the One Religion, but his followers made Isa (PBUH) God's son, modified the book and you know the rest.

Muhammad (PBUH) also preached the One Religion; there are schisms here but the Book won't be modified by Ummah (all of us who are born from Prophet Muhammad PBUH's time until the DOJ: Day of Judgment) this time.

Since Jews don't have the Original Book and a great section of them has resorted to Zionism. But there is a group called 'guardians of the city' who believe this:



So that's that.

On Messiah:
The Dajjāl is an evil being who will seek to impersonate the true Messiah. Religious Jews/Christians will be fooled by him but as [MENTION=151127]Manunited18[/MENTION] has said some Zionists/Atheists might know what's going on and will still follow him blindly to gain power. True Believers will recognize him and die in a losing battle alongside Imam Mehdi*...

And then finally like a Hero, Isa (PBUH) will descend and clean the mess.



PS: You neo-Zionist-Indian guys have no idea what you are talking about and at least should read a bit before pushing your absurd agendas. All of us at Pakpassion are too grownups for this anyways

PS2: Please feel free to correct me and elaborate. Looking forward to it.
*Some say Imam Mehdi will be a title of Isa PBUH and not a separate person.

All you have parroted is Islamic view of the issue which no non-muslim cares. There are so many things to argue in your post that it is not possible in our life time to conclusion. For example Allah SWT telling Moses to take Jews out of Egypt and helping him. Jews corrupting their book and I do not want to mention Jesus in this topic. Its laughable.

Can you provide any proof as to what part of Torah was corrupted by Jews? Quran Pak claims that Jews call Ejra as Son of Allah. I don't know which Jew even calls Ejra as son of God? There is no proof to any of those claims.

Do you believe that Jesus died on the Cross and was buried? Or do you believe that Jesus was lifted to heavens by Allah?

Lastly, no Jew or Christian knew of Allah SWT. I have mentioned in one of my previous posts, the God of Abraham, Isac, Jacob, Moses and Jesus is and was Yahweh.

PS- Why would Jesus kill the Jews? Is Muslim Jesus anti-semitic? Why would Jesus kill the Pigs(makes no sense)? Why would Jesus break the cross?
Listen, Jesus is and was never a violent man. So all the claims of Jesus coming down and destroying stuff is ludicrous to Christians.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

^ Oh boy.

Religion is based on faith. No logic, no proof but blind old school faith.

Of course, I'm talking about Muslim point of view. It is the only pov I know of, and even here after a lifelong of Islamic education I don't consider myself an expert by any means.

Unfortunately, as far as Judaism / Christianity is considered, I can't answer any of your questions with 100% certainty.

We Muslims do believe that both Judaism and Christianity modified their books and deviated from teachings of their respective Prophets (Peace be Upon Them).
[MENTION=154070]guna[/MENTION]

 

[guna]

^ Oh boy.

Religion is based on faith. No logic, no proof but blind old school faith.

Of course, I'm talking about Muslim point of view. It is the only pov I know of, and even here after a lifelong of Islamic education I don't consider myself an expert by any means.

Unfortunately, as far as Judaism / Christianity is considered, I can't answer any of your questions with 100% certainty.

We Muslims do believe that both Judaism and Christianity modified their books and deviated from teachings of their respective Prophets (Peace be Upon Them).

[MENTION=154070]guna[/MENTION]

Belief without any proof is okay. But when you are accusing of other religions of modifying their books, then it needs evidence.
If some new religion comes up and says that Prophet Muhammad PBUH is not a prophet, but only a good man who preached the law of Moses and Jesus, would Muslims take it lightly? There will be massive wars and it will no less than a world war. But yet that is exactly what Islam does to Christianity.

I do not care if someone believes a cow is God or a goat is god. But when you accuse others of wrong doings, you have the burden of proof. Otherwise it will be considered false accusations and in the case of Jesus not being son of God, it is blasphemy.

Think with a cool head about what Islam says about Jesus. Do you think it is acceptable for Christians? If someone says the same about Prophet PBUH would you and ummah take it easily?

 

[ManFan]

Belief without any proof is okay. But when you are accusing of other religions of modifying their books, then it needs evidence.
If some new religion comes up and says that Prophet Muhammad PBUH is not a prophet, but only a good man who preached the law of Moses and Jesus, would Muslims take it lightly? There will be massive wars and it will no less than a world war. But yet that is exactly what Islam does to Christianity.

I do not care if someone believes a cow is God or a goat is god. But when you accuse others of wrong doings, you have the burden of proof. Otherwise it will be considered false accusations and in the case of Jesus not being son of God, it is blasphemy.

Think with a cool head about what Islam says about Jesus. Do you think it is acceptable for Christians? If someone says the same about Prophet PBUH would you and ummah take it easily?

The use of usury amongst the Israelites is one example.

It was forbidden on all grounds (you can search Oral Torah or Mishnah for proof) but changed in that it was acceptable to charge interest to Non-Jewish individuals.

It also was not accepted in the Bible (Exodus 22:24).

 

[El Generico]

Belief without any proof is okay. But when you are accusing of other religions of modifying their books, then it needs evidence.
If some new religion comes up and says that Prophet Muhammad PBUH is not a prophet, but only a good man who preached the law of Moses and Jesus, would Muslims take it lightly? There will be massive wars and it will no less than a world war. But yet that is exactly what Islam does to Christianity.

I do not care if someone believes a cow is God or a goat is god. But when you accuse others of wrong doings, you have the burden of proof. Otherwise it will be considered false accusations and in the case of Jesus not being son of God, it is blasphemy.

Think with a cool head about what Islam says about Jesus. Do you think it is acceptable for Christians? If someone says the same about Prophet PBUH would you and ummah take it easily?

The Baha’i religion pretty much believes that don’t they? What massive wars has that lead to?

 

[guna]

The Baha’i religion pretty much believes that don’t they? What massive wars has that lead to?

That is why bahai people were persecuted in Middle East and many ran away to Europe and americas.

Bahai believe that Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of God and Quran as the word of God. They don’t believe in the seal of the prophethood for which they got killed in thousands in Iran. They even believe in Hadith too. They accept all religions. Still got persecuted in Middle East.

 

[guna]

The use of usury amongst the Israelites is one example.

It was forbidden on all grounds (you can search Oral Torah or Mishnah for proof) but changed in that it was acceptable to charge interest to Non-Jewish individuals.

It also was not accepted in the Bible (Exodus 22:24).

Can you name me a verse in Quran Pak that tells us which chapters or verses were corrupted? I want proof from holy Quran. Not from outside sources. If I can get it, I can verify it with Jewish scholars.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

There was a dude claiming to be a prophet and first Khalifah Abu Bakr (May Allah bless his soul) had to wage a war against him and his mislead followers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars


From that point on, every 50 years or so there's someone somewhere claiming to be prophet and starting a religion.

Americans took it to a whole new level. Celebrity+religion (Tom Cruise and Scientology). There are people claiming to be prophets in USA who don't pay any taxes, have their own private jets and live like kings.

Even people inside a poor country like India have managed to become millionaires by pretending to be false prophets.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Can you name me a verse in Quran Pak that tells us which chapters or verses were corrupted? I want proof from holy Quran. Not from outside sources. If I can get it, I can verify it with Jewish scholars.

When an Ummah (a people) deviate from the True Path then a new Prophet is sent to guide them back to the True Path.

Bani-Israel were the True Authentic Ummah (Muslims of ancient times), they deviated and so Prophet Isa aka Jesus (PBUH) was sent... then Isa (PBUH) 's Ummah (Muslims of those times) also deviated and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent.

I'm calling Musa's (Moises) and Isa's (Jesus) (Peace be upon Them) followers Muslims because Allah only has One True Religion... the Islam for humanity.

The reason Quran (The Message by Creator to creation) was sent was because previous Messages were adjusted by humanity to their liking.

(I'll try to look up for verses in Quran that say that previous Messages (books) were modified.)

 

[ManFan]

Can you name me a verse in Quran Pak that tells us which chapters or verses were corrupted? I want proof from holy Quran. Not from outside sources. If I can get it, I can verify it with Jewish scholars.

I just gave you examples of how the books themselves were corrupted since you said you wanted evidence.

If there is a Quran verse, then that means the Quran says it. It doesn’t show the evidence from the other books. That requires evidence from their texts.

 

[mazkhan]

Hindus Buddhists Sikhs are also waiting for the messiah the dajjal he's called kalki

He will have a white horse

In islam dajjal will be riding a donkey going around the world spreading his fitnah but won't be able to enter makkah and madina.

All prophets and nations were warned about dajjal

It's even in Egyptian sources and norse mythology their god odin has one eye with a pointed hat .

Buddhists also believe kalki will kill muslims its in their scriptures that's why you militant Buddhism going around in places like sri lanka , Myanmar etc


When dajjal comes these Hindus will believe he is the kalki .

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Hindus Buddhists Sikhs are also waiting for the messiah the dajjal he's called kalki

He will have a white horse

In islam dajjal will be riding a donkey going around the world spreading his fitnah but won't be able to enter makkah and madina.

All prophets and nations were warned about dajjal

It's even in Egyptian sources and norse mythology their god odin has one eye with a pointed hat .

Buddhists also believe kalki will kill muslims its in their scriptures that's why you militant Buddhism going around in places like sri lanka , Myanmar etc


When dajjal comes these Hindus will believe he is the kalki .

In which verse is dajjal mentioned in Quran?

 

[Mamoon]

There will be no action blockbuster movie before the end of times. None of this good vs evil thriller featuring protagonists and antagonists will happen.

We will probably get hit by an asteroid that would wipe humans and around 90% of the land species on earth, very much like the asteroid that hit the earth 66 million years ago and marked the end of the Cretaceous period.

That would be the end of us Homo Sapiens, but I hope that we can rule the earth for few million years. We have spent almost no time on earth compared to the dinosaurs.

 

[mazkhan]

In which verse is dajjal mentioned in Quran?

Dajjal is not mentioned in the quran

He is mentioned in the hadith and most schools of fiqh agree with his coming.

Just like the number of Rakahs and how to do wudu and perform salah is not mentioned in quran but the tradition has been handed down over the generations

 

[silentkiller187]

Dajjal will not come down as described in Hadith etc, in my opinion Dajjal should not be taken literally and could even interpreted as being America/Israel , Google, Apple we have seen the pyramids with one eye as a sign , people are falling blindly head over heels in this internet age to whatever these big corps tell them it may not be that literal.

 

[guna]

When an Ummah (a people) deviate from the True Path then a new Prophet is sent to guide them back to the True Path.

Bani-Israel were the True Authentic Ummah (Muslims of ancient times), they deviated and so Prophet Isa aka Jesus (PBUH) was sent... then Isa (PBUH) 's Ummah (Muslims of those times) also deviated and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent.

I'm calling Musa's (Moises) and Isa's (Jesus) (Peace be upon Them) followers Muslims because Allah only has One True Religion... the Islam for humanity.

The reason Quran (The Message by Creator to creation) was sent was because previous Messages were adjusted by humanity to their liking.

(I'll try to look up for verses in Quran that say that previous Messages (books) were modified.)

Bani Israel are not Muslims. This will be like Hindus claiming that everyone in the world is a Hindu. Just because both Islam and Judaism preach oneness of God does not mean they are all talking about the same God.

Bani Israel even consider Jesus as a total fraud. So forget about Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

You can say that Moses and Jesus are true Sikhs because they believe in one true religion. Means nothing. All claims. In fact I would call it cultural appropriation.

Again absolutely no proof that Jews changed Torat other than a claim made in Holy Quran.

When you claim some verses were modified, you have to prove what the original verse is and also identify the chapter and verse number. Just mere saying of it proves nothing. Anybody can claim that certain religion or their holy books have been corrupted.

 

[guna]

Dajjal will not come down as described in Hadith etc, in my opinion Dajjal should not be taken literally and could even interpreted as being America/Israel , Google, Apple we have seen the pyramids with one eye as a sign , people are falling blindly head over heels in this internet age to whatever these big corps tell them it may not be that literal.

Dajjal is not Google or internet. You seem to be saying that science is Dajjal.

Dajjal is a person that looks like Jesus. He wears clothes and does miracles like giving life to dead and healing people etc. Like many things, there is no definitive answer as to who Dajjal is or what he looks like or where he would come from.

Below is the Bukhari Hadith ..
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7121

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Dajjal is not mentioned in the quran

He is mentioned in the hadith and most schools of fiqh agree with his coming.

Just like the number of Rakahs and how to do wudu and perform salah is not mentioned in quran but the tradition has been handed down over the generations

You can't compare prayer and ablution to dajjal. Prayer was prescribed & compulsory for all the previous nations. Quran several times mentions about establishing the Salah. The details of Salah also dosent depend on any single tradition. It's a practice that has been going on for centuries. But when it comes to topics of return of Dajjal, Mahdi & the of Isa(PBUH), all of the related hadith were narrated by a very few select number of people. Remove Abu Huraira & you would lose about 80% of details about dajjal. Not a single frontline companion of Prophet(PBUH) narrated anything about the return of Jesus or about Dajjal. Absolutely strange considering these issues are claimed to be so firm in evidence.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bani Israel are not Muslims. This will be like Hindus claiming that everyone in the world is a Hindu. Just because both Islam and Judaism preach oneness of God does not mean they are all talking about the same God.

Bani Israel even consider Jesus as a total fraud. So forget about Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

You can say that Moses and Jesus are true Sikhs because they believe in one true religion. Means nothing. All claims. In fact I would call it cultural appropriation.

Again absolutely no proof that Jews changed Torat other than a claim made in Holy Quran.

When you claim some verses were modified, you have to prove what the original verse is and also identify the chapter and verse number. Just mere saying of it proves nothing. Anybody can claim that certain religion or their holy books have been corrupted.

According to Islam a Muslim is one who submits to the will of God(one God). Dont take it literally as followers of the Prophet(pbuh). Anyone who worshiped one God and did good deeds before the Prophet(pbuh) is a considered a Muslim in Islam . Of course the Jews wont agree. Not sure why you think everyone must agree to make sense. Your poor knowledge of the basics of Islam is continuing to cause you issues.

 

[Arsal_AK]

There will be no action blockbuster movie before the end of times. None of this good vs evil thriller featuring protagonists and antagonists will happen.

We will probably get hit by an asteroid that would wipe humans and around 90% of the land species on earth, very much like the asteroid that hit the earth 66 million years ago and marked the end of the Cretaceous period.

That would be the end of us Homo Sapiens, but I hope that we can rule the earth for few million years. We have spent almost no time on earth compared to the dinosaurs.

Good chance (it will happen eventually) but if that has to be species killing event, it's has to happen now. By the 2100's we will be on Mars and have technology that can divert any such asteroid coming.

Climate Change is a worry though. We could easily be on a Venus like trend in a few centuries if we are not careful. But there has been good news on that front recently especially with China leading the push for clean energy.

I agree that there isn't going to be a big good vs evil battle.

 

[silentkiller187]

Dajjal is not Google or internet. You seem to be saying that science is Dajjal.

Dajjal is a person that looks like Jesus. He wears clothes and does miracles like giving life to dead and healing people etc. Like many things, there is no definitive answer as to who Dajjal is or what he looks like or where he would come from.

Below is the Bukhari Hadith ..
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7121

Dajaal is an ideology, internet google apple new world order whatever you want to call it fits that ideology, its been explained quite well by many scholars and seems a lot more of a plausible explanation. if you expecting a literal monster with one eye then I fear you may be disappointed.

 

[mazkhan]

Dajaal is an ideology, internet google apple new world order whatever you want to call it fits that ideology, its been explained quite well by many scholars and seems a lot more of a plausible explanation. if you expecting a literal monster with one eye then I fear you may be disappointed.

Thats the dajjal system, and will be further exacerbated when AI , vaccines , digital ids , digital currency, , human chips , and cities controlled by facial recognition cameras , self driving transport control of world resources trade, control of food,
weather etc becomes mainstream in future.

That's the system to.control but a one eyed monster will then appear as the head of this system claiming to be the messiah and then God himself the system is being placed for him right in front of our eyes today its no conspiracy

 

[guna]

Dajaal is an ideology, internet google apple new world order whatever you want to call it fits that ideology, its been explained quite well by many scholars and seems a lot more of a plausible explanation. if you expecting a literal monster with one eye then I fear you may be disappointed.

Google wears clothes and does miracles like raising dead? Dajjal is a living being. Not some cyber being.

Google has been there for more than 2 decades in our lives. So Dajjal has already come according to you.

 

[PetroDollars]

Dajaal is an ideology, internet google apple new world order whatever you want to call it fits that ideology, its been explained quite well by many scholars and seems a lot more of a plausible explanation. if you expecting a literal monster with one eye then I fear you may be disappointed.

if anything Apple are the good guys, google might be part of the military industrial complex, but Apple is highly anti-state in america. The CIA/FBI hate Apple.

in terms of disappointment, i fear you all will be disappointed if you believe in fairytails, but it shows how dangerous they can get. Just get a few scholars to support superman, batman and the avengers to be true and people will start believing in them.

This has even happened before with Platos stories of Atlantis and people believe it to this day.

Coming back on to the topic of the Jewish messiah, then ofcourse PM Natayahu is a right wing religious nut, who isnt even close to being a secular or liberal, any secular or liberal person will never create a blockade on gaza or throw bombs on them because there humans before anything else.

The last time Israel had a secular pm, he was assinated by a jew.

 

[silentkiller187]

Google wears clothes and does miracles like raising dead? Dajjal is a living being. Not some cyber being.

Google has been there for more than 2 decades in our lives. So Dajjal has already come according to you.

it’s a theory and a more plausible one at present. Google owns various pharma companies branched out into Ai , only matter of time before they bring someone back from the dead, they already parade round holograms of dead people. I’m not saying 100% google or apple is dajjal I’m just saying the system in which it has been created could be part of or is Dajjal. Dajjal has never been mentioned in the Quran, like poster above mentioned 80% of info on Dajjal comes from one narration. so the school of thought I think is the most logical is that Dajjal should not be taken literally and could be part of a chain of events which bring about the demise of the people. Look how blindly everyone follows social media. Rather than a monster chained away on an island somewhere on earth patiently waiting to release himself and cause havoc whilst being fed by demons.

 

[silentkiller187]

if anything Apple are the good guys, google might be part of the military industrial complex, but Apple is highly anti-state in america. The CIA/FBI hate Apple.

in terms of disappointment, i fear you all will be disappointed if you believe in fairytails, but it shows how dangerous they can get. Just get a few scholars to support superman, batman and the avengers to be true and people will start believing in them.

This has even happened before with Platos stories of Atlantis and people believe it to this day.

Coming back on to the topic of the Jewish messiah, then ofcourse PM Natayahu is a right wing religious nut, who isnt even close to being a secular or liberal, any secular or liberal person will never create a blockade on gaza or throw bombs on them because there humans before anything else.

The last time Israel had a secular pm, he was assinated by a jew.

i concur with parts of this however Apple are as much the shaytaan as Google, they are all in this together whilst creating an illusion of competition, its all part of the system of control. They media CIA/FBI will make u believe trump is anti whatever and obama is pro whatever as long as it all fits the agenda. Netenyahu is just a puppet in this game, he gets told what to do by senior rabbis, theres videos from the 90s early 00s which show rabbis asking him to speed up the return of the messiah i.e. bomb the hell out of gaza and capture aqsa asap.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Just watched this brutal video by Russell Brand and Dr. Gabor Maté... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdPdslOTwJU

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Maybe Dajjal is already here in a metaphoric sense. All of us, all around the world have access to the 'truth'. We are well read and possess enough morality and ability to decide 'right' and 'wrong'.

It is time to choose a side. Do we choose the side of oppressor, the thief, the murderer, the Dajjal/Anti-Christ? Or do we decide to raise our voice for the oppressed, the victim and the Truth?

At work, with family and friends and of course online, the debate is intense. People, including the ones who are just getting informed on the whole Israel / Palestine disaster, are questioning things and choosing the side of good.

And as all the prophecies predict, the ones who choose the wrong side here, despite them being fully aware of their bigotry, bear the mark of evil.

Only humiliation awaits them, in this world and in the next one... for truth always prevails over deceit.

 

[street cricketer]

Good chance (it will happen eventually) but if that has to be species killing event, it's has to happen now. By the 2100's we will be on Mars and have technology that can divert any such asteroid coming.

Climate Change is a worry though. We could easily be on a Venus like trend in a few centuries if we are not careful. But there has been good news on that front recently especially with China leading the push for clean energy.

I agree that there isn't going to be a big good vs evil battle.

80 years is a long time and we will have countless advancements in the current technology, but I'm not sure if terraforming Mars is possible within that time span. We might reach Mars and probably establish bases, but I'm not sure if it would ever be viable for humans to live for a prolonged period of time, at least in large populations. Lot of challenges in it starting with the differences in gravity, atmospheric pressure, lack of earth like magnetic fields, etc.,

I do think we will exist as a species on Earth for as long as possible unless we encounter a major life extinction event. And finally when the life span of our solar system finishes and our sun ends up swallowing all the planets before meeting its own end, it's not a fact and just my belief, but I think just like the endless cycle of birth and death of all life forms in our world, the same will happen to cosmic bodies as well and life will probably start in some other corner of the universe. It's arguable that life already exists in many corners of the universe and they're just so distant that we can't detect them, or at least we haven't reached a level of technological advancement as a civilization which makes it possible to detect them (& vice versa for the others detecting us).

 

[Technics 1210]

Are Atheists still defending the ‘divine’ right for Isreal to exist?

 

[OMB]

80 years is a long time and we will have countless advancements in the current technology, but I'm not sure if terraforming Mars is possible within that time span. We might reach Mars and probably establish bases, but I'm not sure if it would ever be viable for humans to live for a prolonged period of time, at least in large populations. Lot of challenges in it starting with the differences in gravity, atmospheric pressure, lack of earth like magnetic fields, etc.,

I do think we will exist as a species on Earth for as long as possible unless we encounter a major life extinction event. And finally when the life span of our solar system finishes and our sun ends up swallowing all the planets before meeting its own end, it's not a fact and just my belief, but I think just like the endless cycle of birth and death of all life forms in our world, the same will happen to cosmic bodies as well and life will probably start in some other corner of the universe. It's arguable that life already exists in many corners of the universe and they're just so distant that we can't detect them, or at least we haven't reached a level of technological advancement as a civilization which makes it possible to detect them (& vice versa for the others detecting us).

This could be a new thread in itself. lots to discuss here

 

[street cricketer]

This could be a new thread in itself. lots to discuss here

Tbh I've always wanted to have a discussion about the philosophy of the origins and the fate of life from a non religious pov.

 

[Tubs]

Are Atheists still defending the ‘divine’ right for Isreal to exist?

The vast majority of progressives support Palestine, and progressives are overwhelmingly atheist (or at least secular).

There may be some atheists who hate Muslims and therefore support Israel, but the majority of support for Israel comes from the right-wing, who are mainly Christian and Jewish (in the West). Not sure where you're getting this idea from, perhaps you're trying to construct a bogeyman.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The vast majority of progressives support Palestine, and progressives are overwhelmingly atheist (or at least secular).

There may be some atheists who hate Muslims and therefore support Israel, but the majority of support for Israel comes from the right-wing, who are mainly Christian and Jewish (in the West). Not sure where you're getting this idea from, perhaps you're trying to construct a bogeyman.

Which right wing Jews?

 

[Tubs]

Which right wing Jews?

A weird point of contention. An obvious answer would be Ben Shapiro. Isn't it pretty obvious that right-wing, conservative Jews are going to support Israel?

 

[Technics 1210]

Tbh I've always wanted to have a discussion about the philosophy of the origins and the fate of life from a non religious pov.

You're not the first one.

If you want to talk about origins of life speak up about the origin of DNA and Abiogenesis. Let's see how different you really are when approaching this subject.

3.2.1.Go!

 

[PetroDollars]

The vast majority of progressives support Palestine, and progressives are overwhelmingly atheist (or at least secular).

There may be some atheists who hate Muslims and therefore support Israel, but the majority of support for Israel comes from the right-wing, who are mainly Christian and Jewish (in the West). Not sure where you're getting this idea from, perhaps you're trying to construct a bogeyman.

Peer of atheism, Sam Harris doesnt agree

https://samharris.org/podcasts/why-dont-i-criticize-israel/

 

[BunnyRabbit]

In my humble opinion, that dark period of Dajjal won't be all black and white like majority of people think. It's called a great fitna, because it would be hard for people to identify it. How most of us are discussing about it makes it seem like a clear good and evil but it will be extremely difficult to differentiate between the two absolutes when it will all be obscured for common people.

What do you guys think? [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

 

[Major]

In my humble opinion, that dark period of Dajjal won't be all black and white like majority of people think. It's called a great fitna, because it would be hard for people to identify it. How most of us are discussing about it makes it seem like a clear good and evil but it will be extremely difficult to differentiate between the two absolutes when it will all be obscured for common people.

What do you guys think? [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

I agree with this.

Its like how UK pakistanis love Andrew Tate and see him as a representative of Islam or oice of Islam even though he is a guy who is involved in prostitution.

So it wont be as black and white

 

[sweep_shot]

In my humble opinion, that dark period of Dajjal won't be all black and white like majority of people think. It's called a great fitna, because it would be hard for people to identify it. How most of us are discussing about it makes it seem like a clear good and evil but it will be extremely difficult to differentiate between the two absolutes when it will all be obscured for common people.

What do you guys think? [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

It is true that before actual Dajjal arrives, there would be about 30 smaller Dajjals (claiming to be messengers of Allah).

However, a few distinctions set Dajjal apart and one is his eye.

Here are the two Sahih Bukhari hadiths regarding end times and Dajjal:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah is not hidden from you; He is not one-eyed," and pointed with his hand towards his eye, adding, "While Al-Masih Ad- Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a protruding grape." (Sahih Bukhari 7407)

"The Hour will not be established (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, (2) till about thirty Dajjals (liars) appear, and each one of them will claim that he is Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), (3) till the religious knowledge is taken away (by the death of Religious scholars) (4) earthquakes will increase in number (5) time will pass quickly, (6) afflictions will appear, (7) Al-Harj, (i.e., killing) will increase, (8) till wealth will be in abundance ---- so abundant that a wealthy person will worry lest nobody should accept his Zakat, and whenever he will present it to someone, that person (to whom it will be offered) will say, 'I am not in need of it, (9) till the people compete with one another in constructing high buildings, (10) till a man when passing by a grave of someone will say, 'Would that I were in his place (11) and till the sun rises from the West. So when the sun will rise and the people will see it (rising from the West) they will all believe (embrace Islam) but that will be the time when: (As Allah said,) 'No good will it do to a soul to believe then, if it believed not before, nor earned good (by deeds of righteousness) through its Faith.' (6.158) And the Hour will be established while two men spreading a garment in front of them but they will not be able to sell it, nor fold it up; and the Hour will be established when a man has milked his she-camel and has taken away the milk but he will not be able to drink it; and the Hour will be established before a man repairing a tank (for his livestock) is able to water (his animals) in it; and the Hour will be established when a person has raised a morsel (of food) to his mouth but will not be able to eat it." (Sahih Bukhari 7121)

References:
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7121
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7407

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It is true that before actual Dajjal arrives, there would be about 30 smaller Dajjals (claiming to be messengers of Allah).

However, a few distinctions set Dajjal apart and one is his eye.

Here are the two Sahih Bukhari hadiths regarding end times and Dajjal:





References:
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7121
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7407

I think some minor Dajjals have already come and gone. And their imprints are still present.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I agree with this.

Its like how UK pakistanis love Andrew Tate and see him as a representative of Islam or oice of Islam even though he is a guy who is involved in prostitution.

So it wont be as black and white

Andrew Tate is relatively a very little known person by vast majority of Muslims tbh. The social media represents less than 20% of the Muslims probably.

Still think it's still not that hard to differentiate between the rights and wrongs right now to achieve mass misguidance or following. It will get a lot worse. Whether it occurs through some peaks and troughs or continuous descent into darkness (Allah knows better), but it's all happening. Things have gotten a lot more grayish relatively than they were 500 years or so ago.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In my humble opinion, that dark period of Dajjal won't be all black and white like majority of people think. It's called a great fitna, because it would be hard for people to identify it. How most of us are discussing about it makes it seem like a clear good and evil but it will be extremely difficult to differentiate between the two absolutes when it will all be obscured for common people.

What do you guys think? [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

Its arguable we are already there, one of the biggest fitnas is actually the description/name of Dajjal, the deceiver/deception/fake/liar etc.

Western narrative of media which influences many other lands is mostly lies, the opposite of the truth yet so many fall for it. Women are becoming Men, vice versa, more fakes etc.

Imo we are at the beginning, its only going to become worse. Remember Dajjal will say its water but it will be fire.

 

[Major]

Andrew Tate is relatively a very little known person by vast majority of Muslims tbh. The social media represents less than 20% of the Muslims probably.

Still think it's still not that hard to differentiate between the rights and wrongs right now to achieve mass misguidance or following. It will get a lot worse. Whether it occurs through some peaks and troughs or continuous descent into darkness (Allah knows better), but it's all happening. Things have gotten a lot more grayish relatively than they were 500 years or so ago.

you are right, but if people like ANdrew Tate can get muslims to support him, than anti christ would have no problem

 

[sweep_shot]

I think some minor Dajjals have already come and gone. And their imprints are still present.

Yeah. For example, Mirza Gulam Ahmad (Ahmadiyya's founder). He claimed to be a prophet. He is probably one of the 30 false messiahs.

Allah knows best.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

you are right, but if people like ANdrew Tate can get muslims to support him, than anti christ would have no problem

not just muslims but christians and jews would also be looking for their messiah. Not to mention it would actually be easier to get people to believe in something when they don't believe in anything divine. Charisma, oratory skills and media power is enough these days to charm common people. Dajjal would be someone with supernatural powers (or abilities stretching the universal laws). Another thing is regardless of how advance science becomes, it is impossible to predict the exact time and place of future.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Its arguable we are already there, one of the biggest fitnas is actually the description/name of Dajjal, the deceiver/deception/fake/liar etc.

Western narrative of media which influences many other lands is mostly lies, the opposite of the truth yet so many fall for it. Women are becoming Men, vice versa, more fakes etc.

Imo we are at the beginning, its only going to become worse. Remember Dajjal will say its water but it will be fire.

Lets see how long that time period lasts for. could bea yearor 1000 years.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yeah. For example, Mirza Gulam Ahmad (Ahmadiyya's founder). He claimed to be a prophet. He is probably one of the 30 false messiahs.

Allah knows best.

There are a lot of his followers on PP as well. Very vocal ones.
Although I don't see any problem with his followers but only once when they start calling themselves to be followers to "true Islam" while it is considered to be non islamic religion in majority of muslim countries.

One big problem with our religion is that it never came in sects. It came as one religion. no sects, no groupings nothing. How people have managed to divide it into so many parts and at times changed the very fundamentals to satiate their political, cultural and personal benefits etc is sad.

If I am not wrong, I read this hadeeth somewhere long time ago that Prophet SAW said Khilafat would be abolished and will be replaced by kingdoms and monarchy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lets see how long that time period lasts for. could bea yearor 1000 years.

Highly unlikely as almost all of the minor signs have passed. From a geo-political aspect, the world is changing, western power is declining and weapons of mass destructions are ready to roll.

Related to the topic, Jews are also ready and believe its near. The Al-Aqsa compound is now regularly visited by Messianic Jews.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

In my humble opinion, that dark period of Dajjal won't be all black and white like majority of people think. It's called a great fitna, because it would be hard for people to identify it. How most of us are discussing about it makes it seem like a clear good and evil but it will be extremely difficult to differentiate between the two absolutes when it will all be obscured for common people.

What do you guys think? [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION]

There is a profound Hadith of Dajjal presenting people with fire and water.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said about Ad-Dajjal that he would have water and fire with him: (what would seem to be) fire, would be cold water and (what would seem to be) water, would be fire.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Highly unlikely as almost all of the minor signs have passed. From a geo-political aspect, the world is changing, western power is declining and weapons of mass destructions are ready to roll.

Related to the topic, Jews are also ready and believe its near. The Al-Aqsa compound is now regularly visited by Messianic Jews.

Again we can't absolutely know about the future. Only Allah does. Minor signs have been coming since Prophet SAW's time. I read somewhere Saudia would become a deserted place as well around that time. And there will be many brutal wars fought just preceding it.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

There is a profound Hadith of Dajjal presenting people with fire and water.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said about Ad-Dajjal that he would have water and fire with him: (what would seem to be) fire, would be cold water and (what would seem to be) water, would be fire.

Yes but the Prophet SAW called it the greatest fitna. If it was to be so black and white, it wouldn't be that easy to deceive everyone. IMO there will be a lot of variables at play there, with people not really knowing what is right and what is wrong and the lines would be blurred where common sense wouldn't be able to differentiate such stuff. Just my opinion.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes but the Prophet SAW called it the greatest fitna. If it was to be so black and white, it wouldn't be that easy to deceive everyone. IMO there will be a lot of variables at play there, with people not really knowing what is right and what is wrong and the lines would be blurred where common sense wouldn't be able to differentiate such stuff. Just my opinion.

Yes agreed - hence the hadith about fire and water.

I.e what people think is one thing is actually the other.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Now that religious, messianic core in Zionism has come uncloaked. For the first time, Israel’s ultrareligious forces aren’t just making special deals to support the major parties in return for concessions. They’re at the heart of the government. They are pressing their views: the right of Israel to the entirety of Palestine based solely on God’s promise to their mythical Biblical forefathers.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...ial-civil-war-brewing-among-israeli-jews.html

Now those wanting the Messiah to return are in government.

Scary signs for the planet , as these extremists will want to speed up their prophecies.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Jewish Messiah makes no sense. If Muslims and Jews worship the same God, then whoever is going to return is for all 3 Middle Eastern religions.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zjbyb82/revision/6



https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.pre...-yet-does-israel-belong-to-the-jews-1.5452608


According to Judaism, Jews can only return to the holy land when the Messiah returns, builds the temple and creates a one world government.

Correct me if im wrong, I dont see any Messiah or Temple?

The Zionists have developed a new logic - and that is, the spot of Messiah’s supposedly Temple is currently occupied by the Masjid Al Aqsa. Or at least the masjid is in the way - so it should be demolished, and the path for the temple will be clear - which will then trigger the arrival of the Messiah.

Many also believe that the bloodshed of innocent Palestinians is necessary because that’s also the sign of the arrival of their messiah.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The Zionists have developed a new logic - and that is, the spot of Messiah’s supposedly Temple is currently occupied by the Masjid Al Aqsa. Or at least the masjid is in the way - so it should be demolished, and the path for the temple will be clear - which will then trigger the arrival of the Messiah.

Many also believe that the bloodshed of innocent Palestinians is necessary because that’s also the sign of the arrival of their messiah.

This is extremely sad. Think Al Aqsa will be destroyed eventually for zionists and their supporters to satiate their hunger.

There's still a lot of Jews who are against Israel and its aims. There are a lot of christians who bow down to the zionists' wishes. Heard Biden calling himself a pro zionist or something.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...ial-civil-war-brewing-among-israeli-jews.html

Now those wanting the Messiah to return are in government.

Scary signs for the planet , as these extremists will want to speed up their prophecies.

Even if they try to speed up the process, everything that is meant to happen will happen when Allah allows it to.

On another level, I think Judaism is closer to Islam than it is to christianity. There's a lot of Jews who are against the concept and motives of Israel. There are sects of Judaism who believe Prophet Muhammad SAW to be a true prophet as well. What they just can not believe is Jesus (either as a prohpet[in Islam] or what christians believe him to be - god. god's son nauzubillah])

There's a lot of Ahmad Deedat's debates on this topic on how Judaism and Islam are much closer than either are to Christianity. He considered Judaism to be a better religion than Christianity.

Although I have read in some books that Islam has considered Christians to be relatively lesser evil than Jews.

 

[SalimBhai]

Even if they try to speed up the process, everything that is meant to happen will happen when Allah allows it to.

On another level, I think Judaism is closer to Islam than it is to christianity. There's a lot of Jews who are against the concept and motives of Israel. There are sects of Judaism who believe Prophet Muhammad SAW to be a true prophet as well. What they just can not believe is Jesus (either as a prohpet[in Islam] or what christians believe him to be - god. god's son nauzubillah])

There's a lot of Ahmad Deedat's debates on this topic on how Judaism and Islam are much closer than either are to Christianity. He considered Judaism to be a better religion than Christianity.

Although I have read in some books that Islam has considered Christians to be relatively lesser evil than Jews.

which Jewish sect is that? Would be very interested in knowing

 

[Justcrazy]

Dajjal will not come down as described in Hadith etc, in my opinion Dajjal should not be taken literally and could even interpreted as being America/Israel , Google, Apple we have seen the pyramids with one eye as a sign , people are falling blindly head over heels in this internet age to whatever these big corps tell them it may not be that literal.

There are clear cut authentic hadeeth about Dajjal.

There is a real Dajjal , and there is pre Dajjal system which will prepare for the arrival of dajjal. The phase we are in is the latter phase , where the system has done everything to make way of dajjal.

 

[Justcrazy]

There are a lot of his followers on PP as well. Very vocal ones.
Although I don't see any problem with his followers but only once when they start calling themselves to be followers to "true Islam" while it is considered to be non islamic religion in majority of muslim countries.

One big problem with our religion is that it never came in sects. It came as one religion. no sects, no groupings nothing. How people have managed to divide it into so many parts and at times changed the very fundamentals to satiate their political, cultural and personal benefits etc is sad.

If I am not wrong, I read this hadeeth somewhere long time ago that Prophet SAW said Khilafat would be abolished and will be replaced by kingdoms and monarchy.

Nu’man bin Bashir (ra) narrated from Abu Hurairah (ra) that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: “Prophet-hood
will be amongst you as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it up when He wishes to lift it up. Then there will be a
Khilafah on the way of the Prophet, and it will be as long as Allah wishes it to be, then Allah will lift it up when He
wishes to lift it up. Then there will be a biting monarchy and it will last as long as Allah wishes it to, then Allah will lift
it up if when He wishes to lift it up. Then there will be an oppressive monarchy and it will last as long as Allah wishes
it to be, then Allah will lift it up when He wishes to lift it up. Then there will be a Khilafah on the way of Prophethood.”
Then he was silent.

Musnad E Ahmad 18430

http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/89/3489.html

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Nu’man bin Bashir (ra) narrated from Abu Hurairah (ra) that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: “Prophet-hood
will be amongst you as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it up when He wishes to lift it up. Then there will be a
Khilafah on the way of the Prophet, and it will be as long as Allah wishes it to be, then Allah will lift it up when He
wishes to lift it up. Then there will be a biting monarchy and it will last as long as Allah wishes it to, then Allah will lift
it up if when He wishes to lift it up. Then there will be an oppressive monarchy and it will last as long as Allah wishes
it to be, then Allah will lift it up when He wishes to lift it up. Then there will be a Khilafah on the way of Prophethood.”
Then he was silent.

Musnad E Ahmad 18430

http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/89/3489.html

Thanks.

Since the end of reign of Khulafa e Rashidun (Shahadat of Hazrat Ali RA), monarchy has been in place and it's still the world of monarchy. Even the so called democratic countries are also under monarchy of some sort.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Even if they try to speed up the process, everything that is meant to happen will happen when Allah allows it to.

On another level, I think Judaism is closer to Islam than it is to christianity. There's a lot of Jews who are against the concept and motives of Israel. There are sects of Judaism who believe Prophet Muhammad SAW to be a true prophet as well. What they just can not believe is Jesus (either as a prohpet[in Islam] or what christians believe him to be - god. god's son nauzubillah])

There's a lot of Ahmad Deedat's debates on this topic on how Judaism and Islam are much closer than either are to Christianity. He considered Judaism to be a better religion than Christianity.

Although I have read in some books that Islam has considered Christians to be relatively lesser evil than Jews.

Yes of course.

Reason I updated this thread is now Netanyahu is in coalition with Religious Zionism party along which includes Messianic believers such as Ben-Gvir, who made a vow to visit the Al-Aqsa compound regularly, as he wants a temple built there.

If there is some sort of war between USA/Russia/China etc, they will surely use this to further their own prophecies, by possibly faking some sort of missile attack on the holy site and then building the temple. I think they are moving faster than what we thought.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yes of course.

Reason I updated this thread is now Netanyahu is in coalition with Religious Zionism party along which includes Messianic believers such as Ben-Gvir, who made a vow to visit the Al-Aqsa compound regularly, as he wants a temple built there.

If there is some sort of war between USA/Russia/China etc, they will surely use this to further their own prophecies, by possibly faking some sort of missile attack on the holy site and then building the temple. I think they are moving faster than what we thought.

Netanyahu had just gotten out as Israel's President/PM a year ago. Came back so soon and even more evil than before. The thing is not a single political party in Israel isn't remotely neutral towards Muslims. All of them are strongly anti Islamic.

China-Russia war wouldn't look likely for that purpose. They'd have to involve a European nation or US themselves to get that done. The problem is Muslim nations themselves aren't united. So if they do try to bring down Al Aqsa, there won't be much retaliation from majority of Muslim countries. Everything seems to be good for Gulf countries as long as there is oil and money.

Demolition of Al Aqsa could well be the point of appearance of Mahdi.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Netanyahu had just gotten out as Israel's President/PM a year ago. Came back so soon and even more evil than before. The thing is not a single political party in Israel isn't remotely neutral towards Muslims. All of them are strongly anti Islamic.

China-Russia war wouldn't look likely for that purpose. They'd have to involve a European nation or US themselves to get that done. The problem is Muslim nations themselves aren't united. So if they do try to bring down Al Aqsa, there won't be much retaliation from majority of Muslim countries. Everything seems to be good for Gulf countries as long as there is oil and money.

Demolition of Al Aqsa could well be the point of appearance of Mahdi.

I think if there is some sort of nuclear conflict, the world will not care too much about Jerusalem, the demolition of Al-Aqsa could begin and the temple building could start. The Muslim nations are no match apart from Pakistan with its nuclear missiles but it will be too worried about India in such a circumstance.

However it could be the Messiah comes first, somehow rules of the planet and then the temple is built. Dajjal will be around before the Mahdi.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I think if there is some sort of nuclear conflict, the world will not care too much about Jerusalem, the demolition of Al-Aqsa could begin and the temple building could start. The Muslim nations are no match apart from Pakistan with its nuclear missiles but it will be too worried about India in such a circumstance.

However it could be the Messiah comes first, somehow rules of the planet and then the temple is built. Dajjal will be around before the Mahdi.

Nuclear war is a big if in current world. Not too many countries will really risk it. A sino-Russia war seems less likely to me.

If you look at the history

World War 1 - Ottoman Empire dissolves
World War 2 - Creation of Israel

From my knowledge, I think Mahdi will arrive first and then Dajjal will come. It could also happen that he might be known to the world already but would declare himself to be the king/god etc after arrival of Mahdi.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nuclear war is a big if in current world. Not too many countries will really risk it. A sino-Russia war seems less likely to me.

If you look at the history

World War 1 - Ottoman Empire dissolves
World War 2 - Creation of Israel

From my knowledge, I think Mahdi will arrive first and then Dajjal will come. It could also happen that he might be known to the world already but would declare himself to be the king/god etc after arrival of Mahdi.

What is your view on Almalhama Alkubra? Or more commonly known as Malhama ?

Some references.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Malhama Alkubra (the greatest war), the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months. (Abu Dawood 4295)

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.(Abu Dawood 4296)

 

[BunnyRabbit]

What is your view on Almalhama Alkubra? Or more commonly known as Malhama ?

Some references.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Malhama Alkubra (the greatest war), the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months. (Abu Dawood 4295)

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.(Abu Dawood 4296)

Is that Dajjal thread still open? Would love to discuss stuff.

I don't really know if these ahadith are sahih or hasan or daif so can't really say. If they are Sahih indeed, then it will definitely happen. Which means Constantinople will fall inevitably fall again. And there's a good chance it will be last world war or world war 3.

 

[Stewie]

Dajjal with a cybernetic eye with laser beams shooting from it. Messiah in a full neo getup with next level kingfu skills.

I’m going to get popcorn!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Is that Dajjal thread still open? Would love to discuss stuff.

I don't really know if these ahadith are sahih or hasan or daif so can't really say. If they are Sahih indeed, then it will definitely happen. Which means Constantinople will fall inevitably fall again. And there's a good chance it will be last world war or world war 3.

Yes, if you bump up the thread ' Your lord is not one eyed, Id be happy to discuss.

I will update this when the Jewish messianics further evolve.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yes, if you bump up the thread ' Your lord is not one eyed, Id be happy to discuss.

I will update this when the Jewish messianics further evolve.

I have been trying to find it for last few days but can't.

 

[Justcrazy]

Thanks.

Since the end of reign of Khulafa e Rashidun (Shahadat of Hazrat Ali RA), monarchy has been in place and it's still the world of monarchy. Even the so called democratic countries are also under monarchy of some sort.

Not end of Ali , but end of Hassan. When you add those six months of Hassan , then you get exact 30 years of what prophet had said.

Safinah reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying:
The caliphate of Prophecy will last thirty years; then Allah will give the Kingdom to whom he wishes; or his kingdom to whom he wishes.

https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4647

 

[Varun]

Yes of course.

Reason I updated this thread is now Netanyahu is in coalition with Religious Zionism party along which includes Messianic believers such as Ben-Gvir, who made a vow to visit the Al-Aqsa compound regularly, as he wants a temple built there.

If there is some sort of war between USA/Russia/China etc, they will surely use this to further their own prophecies, by possibly faking some sort of missile attack on the holy site and then building the temple. I think they are moving faster than what we thought.

Israel doesn't need a messiah, they have already won. You have already lost.

Palestine will be erased from the map by the end of the next decade at most. Get on with your life.

 

[Stewie]

Israel doesn't need a messiah, they have already won. You have already lost.

Palestine will be erased from the map by the end of the next decade at most. Get on with your life.

Depends on who you listen to or favor. India is always pro Israel so I am not surprised that’s the propaganda fed to the Indians.

I believe the plight of the Palestinians is now much more well communicated to the world and they are starting to see Israel as an apartheid state that they are. Of course the ultra conservatives winning there will also concern most of the western states. As long as they have Muslims there, the Palestinian cause will never be dead. If they manage to wipe all the Palestinian Muslims out …. Maybe.

Maybe that will explain why BB is always picking on Modi’s brain. Haha

 

[Varun]

Depends on who you listen to or favor. India is always pro Israel so I am not surprised that’s the propaganda fed to the Indians.

I believe the plight of the Palestinians is now much more well communicated to the world and they are starting to see Israel as an apartheid state that they are. Of course the ultra conservatives winning there will also concern most of the western states. As long as they have Muslims there, the Palestinian cause will never be dead. If they manage to wipe all the Palestinian Muslims out …. Maybe.

Maybe that will explain why BB is always picking on Modi’s brain. Haha

Palestine's only hope was in the Arab states. They tried under Nasser to wrest this mosque out of Israel's hands in the 60s/70s, but failed. Since then there has been a long period where the Arab cards have fallen one after the other (fallen = made peace with Israel), and when the big gorilla Saudi Arabia too decides to formally shake hands with Israel, the game is up. That is more likely to happen than some cock-and-bull story about any messiah.

Don't discount the power of the Arabs. One word from them, and Modi the coward was forced to call his own party member and spokesperson a "fringe element" and dispose of her. They are the real Muslim powers and what they say, flies.

Tl;dr - Palestinians are being naturally selected out, much like the dodo was.

 

[Stewie]

Palestine's only hope was in the Arab states. They tried under Nasser to wrest this mosque out of Israel's hands in the 60s/70s, but failed. Since then there has been a long period where the Arab cards have fallen one after the other (fallen = made peace with Israel), and when the big gorilla Saudi Arabia too decides to formally shake hands with Israel, the game is up. That is more likely to happen than some cock-and-bull story about any messiah.

Don't discount the power of the Arabs. One word from them, and Modi the coward was forced to call his own party member and spokesperson a "fringe element" and dispose of her. They are the real Muslim powers and what they say, flies.

Tl;dr - Palestinians are being naturally selected out, much like the dodo was.

If you think the world delved around their own religion, maybe. But as long as there are decent people in the world, their plight won’t go unnoticed. If as you say they are genocided out of the face of the planet, it will be the biggest travesty in the world and a moment of shame for us all. Hope that doesn’t happen.

I personally don’t think it would. A 2 state solution there is the only thing that will fix this problem and I am sure it will happen one day.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Israel doesn't need a messiah, they have already won. You have already lost.

Palestine will be erased from the map by the end of the next decade at most. Get on with your life.

Youre the Israeli Messiah? Sorry must have missed your face in the holy land.

India is more likely to be conquered again, the Palestinians have never been conquered unlike the Indians who have been by various people. Keep trying for a visa to Europe or perhaps to Israel your most beloved land.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Is that Dajjal thread still open? Would love to discuss stuff.

I don't really know if these ahadith are sahih or hasan or daif so can't really say. If they are Sahih indeed, then it will definitely happen. Which means Constantinople will fall inevitably fall again. And there's a good chance it will be last world war or world war 3.

Muslims AKA Turks already conquered Turkey. In fact, these Turks conquered the entire Arabia all the way up to India. If Constantinople falls again, it means it will be conquered only by non-muslims. No Muslim country has the military power and smarts to conquer it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Youre the Israeli Messiah? Sorry must have missed your face in the holy land.

India is more likely to be conquered again, the Palestinians have never been conquered unlike the Indians who have been by various people. Keep trying for a visa to Europe or perhaps to Israel your most beloved land.

Conquering India is over. It was fun for every invader to conquer them during medieval times. No Muslim country can match the power of India.