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When I was younger, I used to prefer joint family.

As I grew older, I started to think nuclear family was much better. Less chance of drama.

What about you? :inti
 
The less people in a house , the better.

However if you have an old parent, you must take care of them.

I will judge, people who send their old folk into some old peoples residence are treating their parents badly.
 
The less people in a house , the better.

However if you have an old parent, you must take care of them.

I will judge, people who send their old folk into some old peoples residence are treating their parents badly.

Agree.

Parents are in a special category. They should always receive the best treatments.
 
When I was 11, one of my aunts (my dad's sister) started to live with us and it caused many issues in my family. My parents were fighting due to her. She was very disruptive and had no respect for my mom's requests. She thankfully got married and moved out. My grades suffered due to my aunt's selfishness; she should've moved out a long time ago. :inti

She still tries to cause issues in my family. A very selfish/immature/entitled lady.

So, yeah. Not a fan of joint family involving relatives. But, parents are perfectly fine.
 
As long as the family is drama-free and supportive and does not invade your privacy, no sane person will have any issue while living in a joint-family system.

Both comes with its pros and cons. Sometimes, people want 'me-time', which of course, never comes in a joint family system.

And sometimes, people crave to share laughter and joyful moments with their loved ones.
 
Aspirations are killed in a joint family, it also needs a patriarch.

Live closeby if possible but nuclear family is better.

Only thing going for joint family is community like feeling..
 
The less people in a house , the better.

However if you have an old parent, you must take care of them.

I will judge, people who send their old folk into some old peoples residence are treating their parents badly.
I have seen some people who basically had to put their parents into old folks home because of their illnesses and dementia.

If you are putting them in because of age then yeah it's wrong, but specialist care is sometimes needed.

Otherwise it can be difficult for elderly nowadays. They lived in joint family set ups before where elder was head of the house. Now because of different work life schedules even if they are in the house everyone is busy and they just fade into the background.

We ran a few classes in our local mosque for elderly men during the day and many the stories and bangers were crazy. Even in the mosque they reminiscing on some not so halal stuff that used to happen when our people entered the UK.
 
I have seen some people who basically had to put their parents into old folks home because of their illnesses and dementia.

If you are putting them in because of age then yeah it's wrong, but specialist care is sometimes needed.

Otherwise it can be difficult for elderly nowadays. They lived in joint family set ups before where elder was head of the house. Now because of different work life schedules even if they are in the house everyone is busy and they just fade into the background.

We ran a few classes in our local mosque for elderly men during the day and many the stories and bangers were crazy. Even in the mosque they reminiscing on some not so halal stuff that used to happen when our people entered the UK.

3 out of 4 of my grandparents are dead. Only 1 is alive and she has dementia. She has to wear diapers as she often relieves herself without her knowing. She is around 80 years old.

She lives with one of his sons (my uncle) and he takes care of her; my uncle doesn't have any child. He works from home too. So, it is easy for him to take care of her.

If my uncle wasn't there, things could've been very tricky for my grandma. There is nobody else to take care of her like that.

Anyway, I personally want to live on my own or in an old age home when I become old. I don't want to be a burden on anyone. I hope I will not have dementia as I play chess regularly and I do intermittent fasting (which is good for brain). In sha Allah.
 
Live separate and mind your own business for a peaceful, drama-free life.
 
I have seen some people who basically had to put their parents into old folks home because of their illnesses and dementia.

If you are putting them in because of age then yeah it's wrong, but specialist care is sometimes needed.

Otherwise it can be difficult for elderly nowadays. They lived in joint family set ups before where elder was head of the house. Now because of different work life schedules even if they are in the house everyone is busy and they just fade into the background.

We ran a few classes in our local mosque for elderly men during the day and many the stories and bangers were crazy. Even in the mosque they reminiscing on some not so halal stuff that used to happen when our people entered the UK.

Fair point but one can pay , specialists nurses will visit daily .

It must be horrible working all your life to bring up kids only to spend your last days being bullied by some random strangers in some home
 
3 out of 4 of my grandparents are dead. Only 1 is alive and she has dementia. She has to wear diapers as she often relieves herself without her knowing. She is around 80 years old.

She lives with one of his sons (my uncle) and he takes care of her; my uncle doesn't have any child. He works from home too. So, it is easy for him to take care of her.

If my uncle wasn't there, things could've been very tricky for my grandma. There is nobody else to take care of her like that.

Anyway, I personally want to live on my own or in an old age home when I become old. I don't want to be a burden on anyone. I hope I will not have dementia as I play chess regularly and I do intermittent fasting (which is good for brain). In sha Allah.
My dad is currently in a situation where he cannot walk due to Peripheral Neuropathy. He has trouble doing some basic things in life and needs intense physiotherapy to get back to normalcy. We have tried bringing him to states and given him as much help as we could. But it took a toll on all of us and they are not happy either.

We are finally sending them back to India in a few months from now. Its all about the quality of life and the happiness.
 
My dad is currently in a situation where he cannot walk due to Peripheral Neuropathy. He has trouble doing some basic things in life and needs intense physiotherapy to get back to normalcy. We have tried bringing him to states and given him as much help as we could. But it took a toll on all of us and they are not happy either.

We are finally sending them back to India in a few months from now. Its all about the quality of life and the happiness.

I see.

Every case is different I guess. In your dad's case, perhaps staying in India makes better sense.

My grandma now lives in Virginia. She is getting treatment and lives with my uncle. My uncle works from home and he has no children. So, he can take care of her.

My grandma visits us once a year in Canada. We have to make special arrangements for her. She is a nice person; so, I don't mind. Possibly the only relative who I can tolerate currently. :inti
 
My dad is currently in a situation where he cannot walk due to Peripheral Neuropathy. He has trouble doing some basic things in life and needs intense physiotherapy to get back to normalcy. We have tried bringing him to states and given him as much help as we could. But it took a toll on all of us and they are not happy either.

We are finally sending them back to India in a few months from now. Its all about the quality of life and the happiness.
Older generation have way more ties to the soil. Younger are used to moving around. But for the old people their heart can never be at peace outside their country.
 
Fair point but one can pay , specialists nurses will visit daily .

It must be horrible working all your life to bring up kids only to spend your last days being bullied by some random strangers in some home
For well funded rich families yes brother but not for normal families. An extended family's mother had cancer, needed nurse which cost £64,000 a year for personal care, medication, end of life care eventually. When the average yearly salary is under £40,000 it's not doable. The times have changed now, you don't have many people who are home owners and people are buried under rent and all nonsense.

We should also not judge others. Many poor elderly people everyone sniffs at are utterly horrendous parents. And humans. I have come across elderly people who I thought and felt sorry for being put in homes to find they were horrible humans and parents, some had abused their kids, others dumped them. While these are outliers it's sometimes easy to judge.

My personal philosphy is no joint family but when parents (whether mine or my wife) need us we will do everything we can but I also realise countless are not as fortunate as maybe you or I.
 
Older generation have way more ties to the soil. Younger are used to moving around. But for the old people their heart can never be at peace outside their country.
Yes. Older generation are too stuck in their ways. They cannot change. Language is also a major barrier for them.

It is also way cheaper in India for senior care compared to Western nations. There are some excellent Senior care centers now in India. The price is around $1500 per month. But the care given is excellent. The same if we have to buy in US, it will cost close to $25k. Not even close.
 
Nuclear family, Joint family vibes are just required in occasional family functions
Meet people(even if they are your immediate family) once a year, you can see the excitement and happiness to talk to them.

Meet people that live with you everyday, it is nightmarish. The amount of daily tiffs and quarrels add up eventually to a full blown family crisis situation.
 
I am 35 years old. Out of these 35 years, my 21 years were spent in family conflicts. This is why I am very bitter toward relatives. I have no emotional attachments toward them (minus my parents, my brother, my 80-year old grandmother, and one cousin maybe).

Relatives are pretty much Islamic checkmarks for me. I may say hello just to fulfill Islamic requirement of "not cutting ties of kinship". There is no emotion involved. I hate most of them because they caused issues in my life and in my family for many years. :inti
 
I am 35 years old. Out of these 35 years, my 21 years were spent in family conflicts. This is why I am very bitter toward relatives. I have no emotional attachments toward them (minus my parents, my brother, my 80-year old grandmother, and one cousin maybe).

Relatives are pretty much Islamic checkmarks for me. I may say hello just to fulfill Islamic requirement of "not cutting ties of kinship". There is no emotion involved. I hate most of them because they caused issues in my life and in my family for many years. :inti
If we talk to them, they will say your side was horrible and toxic so it goes both ways. Live separate and help the extended family when it’s needed.
 
I am 35 years old. Out of these 35 years, my 21 years were spent in family conflicts. This is why I am very bitter toward relatives. I have no emotional attachments toward them (minus my parents, my brother, my 80-year old grandmother, and one cousin maybe).

Relatives are pretty much Islamic checkmarks for me. I may say hello just to fulfill Islamic requirement of "not cutting ties of kinship". There is no emotion involved. I hate most of them because they caused issues in my life and in my family for many years. :inti
I don’t know if you are married, but if you are the wife adds a lot to the family equations.
 
If we talk to them, they will say your side was horrible and toxic so it goes both ways. Live separate and help the extended family when it’s needed.
I don’t know if you are married, but if you are the wife adds a lot to the family equations.

Not married. LOL.

I was talking about relatives like dad's sister, mom's brother (and his wife) etc. They caused many issues for me. My dad's sister is a very problematic lady; she caused fight between my parents. A very childish lady.

My uncle's wife spread many false rumors about me and it ruined my reputation.

It is just a mess. I just try to avoid them as much as I can. Very minimal interaction.

I just care about myself, my parents, my brother, my grandma, and a cousin. Rest I really do not care about. :inti
 
39 years old, and we've never faced any issues from either my father's or my mother's side of the family since I was born.
 
39 years old, and we've never faced any issues from either my father's or my mother's side of the family since I was born.
Your family is an exception. When it all works out like in your case, its a beautiful thing. But it rarely does. :dw
 
Yes. Older generation are too stuck in their ways. They cannot change. Language is also a major barrier for them.

It is also way cheaper in India for senior care compared to Western nations. There are some excellent Senior care centers now in India. The price is around $1500 per month. But the care given is excellent. The same if we have to buy in US, it will cost close to $25k. Not even close.
True.

We recently helped a cousin find and place her mother (who was steadily sinking into dementia) into a care home on the outskirts of Hyderabad. I was pleasantly surprised at the set up and facilities for $1250 or so monthly.

Don't get me wrong. It's still a depressing place but was not the kind of nightmarish setup I'd imagined.

It's unfortunate. My aunt stayed with our family for a good portion of my childhood and it hurt to see her this way but she's a widow now and my cousin is an only daughter who lives in Australia. This was unfortunately, the best option given the kind of intensive care she needed.

Tough to judge the circumstances like a few have done on this thread without being in those shoes.
 
For well funded rich families yes brother but not for normal families. An extended family's mother had cancer, needed nurse which cost £64,000 a year for personal care, medication, end of life care eventually. When the average yearly salary is under £40,000 it's not doable. The times have changed now, you don't have many people who are home owners and people are buried under rent and all nonsense.

We should also not judge others. Many poor elderly people everyone sniffs at are utterly horrendous parents. And humans. I have come across elderly people who I thought and felt sorry for being put in homes to find they were horrible humans and parents, some had abused their kids, others dumped them. While these are outliers it's sometimes easy to judge.

My personal philosphy is no joint family but when parents (whether mine or my wife) need us we will do everything we can but I also realise countless are not as fortunate as maybe you or I.

Sure, some may not have the finances but we both know bro, many would rather not care so they can enjoy their lives without having anyone to help on a daily basis, even if they are the parents who raised them from a baby.

People are willing to work hard, day and night to buy their dream car or dream home, so working extra hours to pay for care shouldn't be an issue for such individuals.

This is one of the positives of Asian culture but its changing. Most Westerners see sending their parents off as normal and then wait for the inheritance, that's all they care about.
 
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