"Junaid Khan's bowling action is questionable" : Basit Ali [#82]

[Syed1]

So a poster with his superman vision can see a chuck through the tv screen but the ump standing right next to him with access to slow-mo after the match fails to see it. Mashallah mein sadqay janwaan.

So when PP'ers complain that Ashwin might be chucking the same poster claims that he is not chucking till the ICC calls him, however, the same leeway isn't given to a Pakistani.

 

[Mamoon]

Did you see him swing the ball in Australia or have you been in hibernation ever since that 2013 Champions Trophy? If you have been, you must clearly remember him destroying India in India and South Africa in South Africa as well.

Junaid Khan has hardly played 60 ODI matches. Out of that, a very small portion has been played in these tournaments, you speak of. I would say that you're being totally unreasonable but at the end of the day, you are simply Mamoon.

Junaid has never been able to swing the ball conventionally. He relies on seam movement and reverse-swing which he gets in Tests only. The famous Indian spell was down to seam movement and not swing. Watch the highlights again, the ball jags off the seam, it doesn't do anything in the air. You are confusing the two and not for the first time.

Similarly, most of his good spells in ODIs have been due to seam movement, while he has bowled well at times in Tests when he got his reverse-swing going. He is basically a mirror (and inferior to the peak) version of Gul, who doesn't have the skill to generate conventional swing and is mostly reliant on seam movement and reverse-swing.

Junaid had a purple patch in 2012-2013 but he has been rubbish for years now, and is fresh off losing Peshawar two matches against United single-handedly in the PSL, and one wonders how many matches will he cost Pakistan in the Champions Trophy with his pathetic bowling.

His fans have nothing but the Indian spell and the few other performances to talk about which are no longer relevant. He needs to prove himself in domestic cricket first (like Kamran and Shehzad etc.) and then earn a recall. However, he has been as poor as he has ever been, and there has been no noticeable improvement in his performance. A terrible selection, and I hope his chapter will be closed after the Champions Trophy.

As far the bowling attack for the Champions Trophy is concerned, Sohail should have been there. He is old and unfit, but still comfortably better than Junaid at the moment, and is our best new ball bowler these days. Hasan Ali though is the best all-rounder Limited Overs pacer Pakistan has at the moment. Good with both the new and the old ball, and more penetrative than Amir and more consistent than Wahab.

 

[Mamoon]

So a poster with his superman vision can see a chuck through the tv screen but the ump standing right next to him with access to slow-mo after the match fails to see it. Mashallah mein sadqay janwaan.

So when PP'ers complain that Ashwin might be chucking the same poster claims that he is not chucking till the ICC calls him, however, the same leeway isn't given to a Pakistani.

It is difficult to spot a pace bowling chucker in real time. The Umpires don't have the luxury of replays and hence, they cannot call them out in real time. Yes some pacers have been suspended, but the probability of a pacer getting caught is less than that of a spinner. However, Junaid has been lucky that he has played very little international cricket since the crackdown on chuckers, but if he continues to throw, he will eventually get caught at some point and will bring more shame to Pakistan cricket.

The defenders said the same about the javelin thrower Ajmal, that there is no need of giving out chucking certificates when the umpires have not suspended him etc., but then we saw what happened. Blatant chuckers are blatant, regardless of when and how they get caught. Ajmal is a blatant chucker (yes is, because he still throws under desperation) and so is Junaid.

As far as Ashwin is concerned, there is no case of 'might'. His action is crystal clear, except for a brief period during early 2014 when he used to publicly whinge about the ICC not doing anything to deal with the chuckers. If Ashwin with his pre and post early 2014 action is a chucker, then so is every bowler in the world. Ashwin will not be called just because a few Pakistani fans refuse to accept that Ajmal is a javelin thrower. However, he cannot win. Even if he gets called and is cleared, the same folks will then cry that it is a BCCI conspiracy, and will only be satisfied if he gets banned.

 

[pacesensation]

So a poster with his superman vision can see a chuck through the tv screen but the ump standing right next to him with access to slow-mo after the match fails to see it. Mashallah mein sadqay janwaan.

So when PP'ers complain that Ashwin might be chucking the same poster claims that he is not chucking till the ICC calls him, however, the same leeway isn't given to a Pakistani.

irrespective of what happens to junaid khan


if you are talking about mamoon then he said great things about Ehsan Adil only to get proved wrong again.

I do not think you should take mamoon's posts about fast bowling seriously.



Then he said that imad wasim is poor man's Muhammad hafeez but imad wasim proved him wrong due to his recent performances agains wi and eng in eng. To an extent he was above average against aus in first 2 or 3 odis, droped catches cost him dearly in remaining matches

he also called sohaib maqsood as inzamam 2.0

bottom line! do not take his opinion on pakistani players seriously

Regards

 

[Mamoon]

irrespective of what happens to junaid khan


if you are talking about mamoon then he said great things about Ehsan Adil only to get proved wrong again.

I do not think you should take mamoon's posts about fast bowling seriously.



Then he said that imad wasim is poor man's Muhammad hafeez but imad wasim proved him wrong due to his recent performances agains wi and eng in eng. To an extent he was above average against aus in first 2 or 3 odis, droped catches cost him dearly in remaining matches

he also called sohaib maqsood as inzamam 2.0

bottom line! do not take his opinion on pakistani players seriously

Regards

Sir we are all entitled to our opinions, but the only thing that matters is that a person should remain flexible and open-minded. I recall a certain someone who said that Babar Azam will never score a hundred against a quality attack and was nowhere to be found when he scored the ODI century in Australia against Starc and Hazlewood, but then the goalposts were shifted to 'but he failed in Tests'. Aqalmand ke liye ishaara kaafi hota hai...

For me, your posts have zero worth, and you can feel the same about me. I don't value your opinion highly and we are not here to make friends and get in the good books of others. Similarly, let alone Syed1 or XYZ, even if the whole forum disregards what I say, it will not deter me from voicing my opinion, and I hope you adopt the same ideology.

Here is a tip: don't post for other people, and don't hide when things happen contrary to your expectations, something you are very good at it.

 

[MMHS]

So a poster with his superman vision can see a chuck through the tv screen but the ump standing right next to him with access to slow-mo after the match fails to see it. Mashallah mein sadqay janwaan.

So when PP'ers complain that Ashwin might be chucking the same poster claims that he is not chucking till the ICC calls him, however, the same leeway isn't given to a Pakistani.

Your personal like for the player is getting better of your good judgement here. Only reason that JK is not called yet is Shahriar Khan's persona.

Over the last few years ICC had been tiered with PCB & Pakistan cricket - fixing, chucking, doping, isolation, security issues, tussle with bcci ... it had been a nightmare for PCB office bearer for last few years, hence ICC (& it's technical people including umpires & match referees) is practicing maximum tollerence for Pakistan. This is because Shahriar is such a nice & respected person that every Board president & representative respects him; they do have a soft corner for PCB & PAK cricket.

Had a buffoon like Ijaz Butt was in charge now, you would have seen umpires calling JK & he is at least 30 degree on his effort ball. PCB has a tendency to stress people to their limit, JK is just another example. Ajmal forced umpires to call him & PCB is forcing them to do it again.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Your personal like for the player is getting better of your good judgement here. Only reason that JK is not called yet is Shahriar Khan's persona.

Over the last few years ICC had been tiered with PCB & Pakistan cricket - fixing, chucking, doping, isolation, security issues, tussle with bcci ... it had been a nightmare for PCB office bearer for last few years, hence ICC (& it's technical people including umpires & match referees) is practicing maximum tollerence for Pakistan. This is because Shahriar is such a nice & respected person that every Board president & representative respects him; they do have a soft corner for PCB & PAK cricket.

Had a buffoon like Ijaz Butt was in charge now, you would have seen umpires calling JK & he is at least 30 degree on his effort ball. PCB has a tendency to stress people to their limit, JK is just another example. Ajmal forced umpires to call him & PCB is forcing them to do it again.

I don't think ICC is that soft, maybe JK has just gone under the radar because his mostly poor performances mean he hasn't attracted much attention. He may well be a chucker, I can't say I've paid much attention either. If he is chucking it's quite pointless as he is still a very ordinary bowler regardless. I wish Pakistan cricket would move on instead of beating this dead horse.

 

[Syed1]

Your personal like for the player is getting better of your good judgement here. Only reason that JK is not called yet is Shahriar Khan's persona.

Over the last few years ICC had been tiered with PCB & Pakistan cricket - fixing, chucking, doping, isolation, security issues, tussle with bcci ... it had been a nightmare for PCB office bearer for last few years, hence ICC (& it's technical people including umpires & match referees) is practicing maximum tollerence for Pakistan. This is because Shahriar is such a nice & respected person that every Board president & representative respects him; they do have a soft corner for PCB & PAK cricket.

Had a buffoon like Ijaz Butt was in charge now, you would have seen umpires calling JK & he is at least 30 degree on his effort ball. PCB has a tendency to stress people to their limit, JK is just another example. Ajmal forced umpires to call him & PCB is forcing them to do it again.

My personal likes and dislikes are only for the Pakistan cricket team, I don't do hero worship like some of the other folks on here.


My only point is that if he is chucking then he will be caught and banned, but to repeatedly call him chucker chucker by a certain poster will not make him a chucker because said poster wishes it so. This forum also has a strict policy against name calling of cricketers.


I also don't buy this logic that ICC isn't calling him because of Sheri uncle. If he is indeed chucking then he should be called right away and asked to clear his name.

 

[Rayyman]

I honestly don't see how people can tell that JK is chucking.

In my eyes, he bends his arm, but then straightens it before releasing the ball. As [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] has said, if he is chucking, then he most likely would've been called.

 

[Abdullah719]

I honestly don't see how people can tell that JK is chucking.

In my eyes, he bends his arm, but then straightens it before releasing the ball. As [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] has said, if he is chucking, then he most likely would've been called.

That is the definition of chucking... depending on whether it exceeds the 15-degree limit, of course.

 

[Bilal7]

Junaid has never been able to swing the ball conventionally. He relies on seam movement and reverse-swing which he gets in Tests only. The famous Indian spell was down to seam movement and not swing. Watch the highlights again, the ball jags off the seam, it doesn't do anything in the air. You are confusing the two and not for the first time.

Similarly, most of his good spells in ODIs have been due to seam movement, while he has bowled well at times in Tests when he got his reverse-swing going. He is basically a mirror (and inferior to the peak) version of Gul, who doesn't have the skill to generate conventional swing and is mostly reliant on seam movement and reverse-swing.

Junaid had a purple patch in 2012-2013 but he has been rubbish for years now, and is fresh off losing Peshawar two matches against United single-handedly in the PSL, and one wonders how many matches will he cost Pakistan in the Champions Trophy with his pathetic bowling.

His fans have nothing but the Indian spell and the few other performances to talk about which are no longer relevant. He needs to prove himself in domestic cricket first (like Kamran and Shehzad etc.) and then earn a recall. However, he has been as poor as he has ever been, and there has been no noticeable improvement in his performance. A terrible selection, and I hope his chapter will be closed after the Champions Trophy.

As far the bowling attack for the Champions Trophy is concerned, Sohail should have been there. He is old and unfit, but still comfortably better than Junaid at the moment, and is our best new ball bowler these days. Hasan Ali though is the best all-rounder Limited Overs pacer Pakistan has at the moment. Good with both the new and the old ball, and more penetrative than Amir and more consistent than Wahab.

Yet another rant that contains nothing but false information and alternative facts. Wonder why I even bother at this point.

 

[Bilal7]

I would think that the management would immediately help Junaid fix his action if they thought there was anything wrong with it, given what happened with Ajmal and how Pakistan suffered and the fact that there are testing facilities available in Pakistan now.

Of course, he's done nothing wrong until the ICC bans him and every wicket he has taken up until that point is 100% legal.

 

[Mamoon]

Yet another rant that contains nothing but false information and alternative facts. Wonder why I even bother at this point.

Yes, pointing out a fact that Junaid's Indian spell was down to seam movement and not conventional swing is false information. You have spent years on this forum, if you still do not know the distinction between seam and swing, I cannot help you further.

 

[Mamoon]

I would think that the management would immediately help Junaid fix his action if they thought there was anything wrong with it, given what happened with Ajmal and how Pakistan suffered and the fact that there are testing facilities available in Pakistan now.

Of course, he's done nothing wrong until the ICC bans him and every wicket he has taken up until that point is 100% legal.

The management is incompetent and so is the board. They should have seen it coming. It was impossible for the javelin thrower Ajmal to get away with it for his whole career, so he should have been dealt with internally, just like India discarded Ojha.

 

[Rayyman]

Junaid has never been able to swing the ball conventionally. He relies on seam movement and reverse-swing which he gets in Tests only. The famous Indian spell was down to seam movement and not swing. Watch the highlights again, the ball jags off the seam, it doesn't do anything in the air. You are confusing the two and not for the first time.

Similarly, most of his good spells in ODIs have been due to seam movement, while he has bowled well at times in Tests when he got his reverse-swing going. He is basically a mirror (and inferior to the peak) version of Gul, who doesn't have the skill to generate conventional swing and is mostly reliant on seam movement and reverse-swing.

Junaid had a purple patch in 2012-2013 but he has been rubbish for years now, and is fresh off losing Peshawar two matches against United single-handedly in the PSL, and one wonders how many matches will he cost Pakistan in the Champions Trophy with his pathetic bowling.

His fans have nothing but the Indian spell and the few other performances to talk about which are no longer relevant. He needs to prove himself in domestic cricket first (like Kamran and Shehzad etc.) and then earn a recall. However, he has been as poor as he has ever been, and there has been no noticeable improvement in his performance. A terrible selection, and I hope his chapter will be closed after the Champions Trophy.

As far the bowling attack for the Champions Trophy is concerned, Sohail should have been there. He is old and unfit, but still comfortably better than Junaid at the moment, and is our best new ball bowler these days. Hasan Ali though is the best all-rounder Limited Overs pacer Pakistan has at the moment. Good with both the new and the old ball, and more penetrative than Amir and more consistent than Wahab.

Even Junaid Khan is more consistent than Hasan Ali. The youngster took 5 wickets in one match and then went for 110 in the next. If that's not inconsistency then I don't know what is.

 

[Rayyman]

I would think that the management would immediately help Junaid fix his action if they thought there was anything wrong with it, given what happened with Ajmal and how Pakistan suffered and the fact that there are testing facilities available in Pakistan now.

Of course, he's done nothing wrong until the ICC bans him and every wicket he has taken up until that point is 100% legal.

Pakistan would not suffer one bit if JK is banned.

Rumman and Usman are both twice as good as him.

 

[Mamoon]

Even Junaid Khan is more consistent than Hasan Ali. The youngster took 5 wickets in one match and then went for 110 in the next. If that's not inconsistency then I don't know what is.

At least he has a 5-fer. Junaid has never been good enough to take a 5-fer in ODIs and never will be. Hasan has only played 13 ODIs so far, of course his career could go anywhere. No one is calling him a world class bowler yet, but he has done very well so far barring 1-2 matches. In a short period of time, he has become Pakistan's best ODI bowler.

There are no parallels between the two, even if we disregard the fact that only one of them is actually a 'bowler'.

 

[Bilal7]

Yes, pointing out a fact that Junaid's Indian spell was down to seam movement and not conventional swing is false information. You have spent years on this forum, if you still do not know the distinction between seam and swing, I cannot help you further.

Except every expert getting paid for it said that it was a superb spell of swing and seam bowling and Junaid has swung the ball as recently as the series against Australia, where he got the wood over Warner for the first couple of games. You should help yourself cope with the fact that Junaid is back in the Pakistan team. Wooooo!!!

The management is incompetent and so is the board. They should have seen it coming. It was impossible for the javelin thrower Ajmal to get away with it for his whole career, so he should have been dealt with internally, just like India discarded Ojha.

The new regulations only came into place in 2014 and since then Pakistan has been very vigilant with cricketers that have dodgy actions. Junaid may still be over the limit but from what I can decipher, the management doesn't think so.

Pakistan would not suffer one bit if JK is banned.

Rumman and Usman are both twice as good as him.

Let them play an international ODI first. This is the height of a kneejerk reaction. You'll be calling for their head if they have one bad game just like you're doing for Hassan.

 

[Hawkeye]

I have no idea how some posters can be so biased and clueless that they can't see the mediocrity in Junaid Khan. This is a cricket forum, right?

We're not fueled by emotions ?

 

[Syed1]

I have no idea how some posters can be so biased and clueless that they can't see the mediocrity in Junaid Khan. This is a cricket forum, right?

We're not fueled by emotions ?

What's mediocrity got to do with being labelled a chucker??



And the height of irony when someone who supports a 26 averaging Kamran Akmal questions others for supporting mediocrity.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Please show me the wickets in the Indian series where he got conventional swing and also show me the deliveries in the Australian series where he moved the ball in the air. How many deliveries and how much did he swing?

Secondly, again, Ajmal was breaking all sorts of records with his javelin throwing. The ICC tolerated his rubbish enough to the point where it became intolerable. Thank Michael Vaughan for that embarrassing picture in summer of 2014 when he was playing County, that really brought his awful chucking into the public limelight.

PCB should have dealt with him years ago. I could see that his action was illegal long before the ICC caught him and you were busy defending him against me. One wonders what the PCB were up to, they are the ones in a position of authority unlike me, and they left it too late.

 

[Bilal7]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Please show me the wickets in the Indian series where he got conventional swing and also show me the deliveries in the Australian series where he moved the ball in the air. How many deliveries and how much did he swing?

Secondly, again, Ajmal was breaking all sorts of records with his javelin throwing. The ICC tolerated his rubbish enough to the point where it became intolerable. Thank Michael Vaughan for that embarrassing picture in summer of 2014 when he was playing County, that really brought his awful chucking into the public limelight.

PCB should have dealt with him years ago. I could see that his action was illegal long before the ICC caught him and you were busy defending him against me. One wonders what the PCB were up to, they are the ones in a position of authority unlike me, and they left it too late.

I do not have the time nor patience to spoon-feed you like this. Junaid can swing the ball from outside leg to the slip cordon and you still won't move past your personal bias because "2013 Champions Trophy, duh".

I repeat, that happened before 2014 when the ICC changed its testing mechanisms and asked the umpires to be more vigilant in calling bowlers with even borderline suspicious actions. The fact that Junaid wasn't called in Australia and hasn't been made to work on his action by the Pakistani team management bode well for him. I actually hope he gets called in the West Indies so you can get over this new obsession of yours.

 

[Ellipsism]

I do not have the time nor patience to spoon-feed you like this. Junaid can swing the ball from outside leg to the slip cordon and you still won't move past your personal bias because "2013 Champions Trophy, duh".

I repeat, that happened before 2014 when the ICC changed its testing mechanisms and asked the umpires to be more vigilant in calling bowlers with even borderline suspicious actions. The fact that Junaid wasn't called in Australia and hasn't been made to work on his action by the Pakistani team management bode well for him. I actually hope he gets called in the West Indies so you can get over this new obsession of yours.

Is this some joke. Junaid can't swing the new ball to save his life, let alone swinging it from leg stump to the slip cordon.

Hasan Ali should be bowling with the new ball ahead of Junaid.

 

[Hawkeye]

What's mediocrity got to do with being labelled a chucker??



And the height of irony when someone who supports a 26 averaging Kamran Akmal questions others for supporting mediocrity.

The chucking part isn't really debatable - he does it, even neutrals know that. That is, if you know the definition of chucking.

Some still fail to see the mediocrity, though. Poor man's Umar Gul - gun barrel straight trundler.

 

[Syed1]

The chucking part isn't really debatable - he does it, even neutrals know that. That is, if you know the definition of chucking.

Some still fail to see the mediocrity, though. Poor man's Umar Gul - gun barrel straight trundler.

Still won us more matches than Kami ever will.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

The chucking part isn't really debatable - he does it, even neutrals know that. That is, if you know the definition of chucking.

Some still fail to see the mediocrity, though. Poor man's Umar Gul - gun barrel straight trundler.

he still hasnt been called yet, in county, or in Aus. I honestly though he would but if he hasnt so far then maybe he just look worse then he is

 

[Mamoon]

I do not have the time nor patience to spoon-feed you like this. Junaid can swing the ball from outside leg to the slip cordon and you still won't move past your personal bias because "2013 Champions Trophy, duh".

I repeat, that happened before 2014 when the ICC changed its testing mechanisms and asked the umpires to be more vigilant in calling bowlers with even borderline suspicious actions. The fact that Junaid wasn't called in Australia and hasn't been made to work on his action by the Pakistani team management bode well for him. I actually hope he gets called in the West Indies so you can get over this new obsession of yours.

Yes obviously you don't have the time and patience to come up with deliveries that never took place. Junaid cannot generate conventional swing; he can only get some seam movement. As far as Ajmal is concerned, I repeat: he has always been a chucker and the leniency of ICC does not justify the negligence of the PCB.

 

[Bilal7]

Yes obviously you don't have the time and patience to come up with deliveries that never took place. Junaid cannot generate conventional swing; he can only get some seam movement. As far as Ajmal is concerned, I repeat: he has always been a chucker and the leniency of ICC does not justify the negligence of the PCB.

Is the ICC still lenient? Why wasn't Junaid reported in Australia? We don't have to discuss Junaid's swing or Ajmal's bowling, it doesn't matter right now.

 

[Mamoon]

Is the ICC still lenient? Why wasn't Junaid reported in Australia? We don't have to discuss Junaid's swing or Ajmal's bowling, it doesn't matter right now.

MMHS has explained it already, and I agree with what he said. See post #326.

 

[Hawkeye]

Still won us more matches than Kami ever will.

Okay, if that helps you sleep at night.

he still hasnt been called yet, in county, or in Aus. I honestly though he would but if he hasnt so far then maybe he just look worse then he is

Fast bowlers are in general difficult to detect by on field umpires.

He will eventually if he ends up playing for us on a consistent basis. Which won't happen likely, so he's going to get spared.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Okay, if that helps you sleep at night.



Fast bowlers are in general difficult to detect by on field umpires.

He will eventually if he ends up playing for us on a consistent basis. Which won't happen likely, so he's going to get spared.

That consistency example makes no sense, Bilal Asif was called straight away .

 

[JibranAnsari]

Chucker or not , he is a mediocre bowler.

 

[Hawkeye]

That consistency example makes no sense, Bilal Asif was called straight away .

Bilal was a spinner, debuted during the middle of a clamp down on chuckers.

Junaid is a fast bowler.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Bilal was a spinner, debuted during the middle of a clamp down on chuckers.

Junaid is a fast bowler.

and has been around for a while, plays in county, played in Australia who has no qualms on calling people. Taskin Ahmed and Vitori were both called, Junaid wasnt. I doubt its some sypthay for the PCB thats causing that.

He may well be called in the future, but the fact he has not so far is something to be noted

 

[hailian]

This is sad that Basit ali whose career ended by cheating on his age with match fixing allegations now judge other people performances in some dumb talk shows. Basit should kicked out from PCB asap too.

 

[phoenix363]

Chucking or not, Junaid Khan is now finished. I was a huge fan for a long time, but he is a shadow of his former self.

 

[Hawkeye]

The no ball wicket.

That was as blatant chucking as possible.

 

[saeed5646]

The no ball wicket.

That was as blatant chucking as possible.

Apply for job in NCA .you will do great job to save career of young cricketers

 

[Reddy]

The chucking by Junaid is clearly visible now, will be called out anytime soon, will not last many tournaments without getting called by the umpires.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

The no ball wicket.

That was as blatant chucking as possible.

You are creating un-needed congroversy needlessly.


To get reverses he flicks his wrist more with old ball. The straightening does not look more than 15 degrees.


Focus on elbow and not on wrist.


Dissapointed. More hate than analysis.

 

[Stewie]

Wow so many experts here.

The chucking nazis are out in full force again.


Innocent till proven guilty. Unless you have robotic vision to calculate the angle of bend, I am sorry, you guys are just idiots claiming g he throws. Let the powers that be decide.

Some others here have also been whining for ages that ashwin chicks as well. But that's not the case.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I can bet a lot of money on the simple fact that 90% of people here who are claiming for Junaid to be chucking wouldn't even have a played a proper competitive hard ball game in their life.....

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I can bet a lot of money on the simple fact that 90% of people here who are claiming for Junaid to be chucking wouldn't even have a played a proper competitive hard ball game in their life.....

Huh? Many of us never played proper hard ball cricket but deep within our hearts we knew Ajmal was a chucker and we were vindicated by his ban.

Junaid at times is a blatant chucker brother. I noticed it in the Australia series.

 

[princeuk]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Please show me the wickets in the Indian series where he got conventional swing and also show me the deliveries in the Australian series where he moved the ball in the air. How many deliveries and how much did he swing?

Secondly, again, Ajmal was breaking all sorts of records with his javelin throwing. The ICC tolerated his rubbish enough to the point where it became intolerable. Thank Michael Vaughan for that embarrassing picture in summer of 2014 when he was playing County, that really brought his awful chucking into the public limelight.

PCB should have dealt with him years ago. I could see that his action was illegal long before the ICC caught him and you were busy defending him against me. One wonders what the PCB were up to, they are the ones in a position of authority unlike me, and they left it too late.

Murali's action was worse than ajmal but heven went onto break many records, if murali was Pakistani he would have been stopped long time ago.

 

[Saj]

Not one commentator, not one media rep has mentioned Junaid's action.

Maybe Basit Ali has x-ray vision and can see what others cannot.

 

[GudduBadmash]

The no ball wicket.

That was as blatant chucking as possible.

Oh okay so why has nobody call him? Nobody apart from your super kharay vision has noticed it

 

[Hawkeye]

Man...

He just started bowling and it's so freaking blatant.

 

[Indiafan]

Its obvious this guy chucks

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He started again?

He was clean in CT no?

 

[MenInG]

Not one commentator, not one media rep has mentioned Junaid's action.

Maybe Basit Ali has x-ray vision and can see what others cannot.

Read this.

 

[amvbfm]

Man...

He just started bowling and it's so freaking blatant.

your bias?

 

[Hawkeye]

Its obvious this guy chucks

He started again?

He was clean in CT no?

Not all the balls, but he tries to sneak in at least 1 - 2 per over.

They showed a side replay after his first over, watch that if you're able to watch the replay of this match..

 

[Hawkeye]

your bias?

Whatever satisfies you.

But I'd suggest to watch his action closely, as well as the replays.

 

[Titan24]

Its obvious this guy chucks

Many people think the same abt Bumrah unfortunately. But both of them havent been reported at any level.

His action is as clean as it gets now, when he was starting his career his action wasnt that smooth

 

[MenInG]

Like vultures - the moment a Pak bowler does well.....

 

[gazza619]

Lol, his action is as clean as a whistle. And if he wanted to chuck why not chuck to 150 kph why only chuck to medium pacers.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I actually reversed my position on Junaid. I don't know if he chucks the odd delivery but from whatever footage that i've slowed down and seen,his elbow doesn't straighten that much. It's an awkward action but i think its legal.

 

[Indiafan]

Like vultures - the moment a Pak bowler does well.....

The posts were made before junaid took a single wicket but nice try

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Like vultures - the moment a Pak bowler does well.....

Not at all Mig bhai....

Hasan Ali and Amir destroyed India in CT finals... Not one person raised an issue about them....

 

[BlackShadow]

Not gonna lie, the action looks dodgy as hell. If Bangladesh lose, they might make a lot of noise about this.

 

[Abid Z]

he has a definite jerk, but i think many bowlers do and it doesn't appear to be significant. Much ado about nothing imo.

 

[Bilal7]

Like vultures - the moment a Pak bowler does well.....

Why not just close this thread? Is this not defaming a professional cricketer?

 

[Hasan123]

If he's chucking he will be called until then your making up unnecessary allegations.

 

[TM Riddle]

The thread should be closed until a definitive evidence emerges. I have seen some morons questioning Bumrah's action as well which is one of the cleanest around.

 

[Hawkeye]

Lol, his action is as clean as a whistle. And if he wanted to chuck why not chuck to 150 kph why only chuck to medium pacers.

Why not just close this thread? Is this not defaming a professional cricketer?

I'm sure you people wouldve been claiming the same thing about the mega chucker Saeed Ajmal.

There's nothing wrong in discussing how a bowler bowls.

Nobody had the guts to call out Ajmal either in the media or by the umpires. Yet we all used to discuss his suspected chucking.

Finally action was taken right before world cup to clean the game from throwers.

And he was rightly called out after YEARS of chucking.

Junaid Khan too will be called eventually, most likely. For now we can only suspect based on what's on TV.

It might take years before a commentator or umpire calls him out.

Professional cricketers and coaches like Basit Ali have already done so. They already know A TON more about the game than any of you here. Especially the technicalities like chucking.

Stop defending.

 

[MenInG]

you can all discuss what you perceive but unless anything official comes, his action is clean.

We will delete any rubbish directed at Junaid which we feel is over the top so watch what you write here.

 

[Hawkeye]

Not at all Mig bhai....

Hasan Ali and Amir destroyed India in CT finals... Not one person raised an issue about them....

True.

He's a harmless military medium bowler, people do not call out his suspected action because he's some bowling great .

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

^Click the attachment for the images or check reply 104 here:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-says-Bangladesh-Cricket-Board-Post-660/page2

 

[Pollack]

It was blatant chucking then. Arm used to be straightened completely from a bend.
Only way to know now is when he is tested. For that he needs to be reported. Fair enough. But his action looks dodgy for sure even now.

 

[Pollack]

He started again?

He was clean in CT no?

He is still wearing full sleeves? Maybe UAE is too cold for him.

 

[MenInG]

It was blatant chucking then. Arm used to be straightened completely from a bend.
Only way to know now is when he is tested. For that he needs to be reported. Fair enough. But his action looks dodgy for sure even now.

So after so much scrutiny on actions, he has not been called in these modern times. What does that tell you about your judgement and that of the ICC experts?

Maybe all of the Einsteins here should apply for a position in the ICC.

The only thing I see from above is that Junaid Khan does not have the same kinds of friends Amir has within joe public.

Shameful behaviour.

 

[thecrusade911]

He doesn't chuck. He makes an angle in the arm and that angle doesn't break which is completely OK. If he breaks the angle that is chucking.

 

[Pollack]

So after so much scrutiny on actions, he has not been called in these modern times. What does that tell you about your judgement and that of the ICC experts?

Maybe all of the Einsteins here should apply for a position in the ICC.

The only thing I see from above is that Junaid Khan does not have the same kinds of friends Amir has within joe public.

Shameful behaviour.

I am not sure why and how. But I agree with your point his action is clean till proven otherwise. But the question is if he is reported now and he is found to be chucking after being tested would an average Pakistani fan accept it? I am sure they would talk of some conspiracy? It has happened before.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I'm sure you people wouldve been claiming the same thing about the mega chucker Saeed Ajmal.

There's nothing wrong in discussing how a bowler bowls.

Nobody had the guts to call out Ajmal either in the media or by the umpires. Yet we all used to discuss his suspected chucking.

Finally action was taken right before world cup to clean the game from throwers.

And he was rightly called out after YEARS of chucking.

Junaid Khan too will be called eventually, most likely. For now we can only suspect based on what's on TV.

It might take years before a commentator or umpire calls him out.

Professional cricketers and coaches like Basit Ali have already done so. They already know A TON more about the game than any of you here. Especially the technicalities like chucking.

Stop defending.

Yup and tons of umpires who have seen him bowl haven't found anything suspicious. As far as I know, ICC has called umpires to report bowlers with freedom if they deem an action suspicious.

Stop complaining.

 

[MenInG]

I am not sure why and how. But I agree with your point his action is clean till proven otherwise. But the question is if he is reported now and he is found to be chucking after being tested would an average Pakistani fan accept it? I am sure they would talk of some conspiracy? It has happened before.

Would we have a choice?

 

[Reddy]

Looks like he chucks one or two deliveries in an over, does not overdo it like Ajmal, so he is quite clever this way. What do you say [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

His bowling arm comes at a slanting with his wrist direction like Shoaib Akhtar's which IMO makes it look a bit dodgy even if it is not. It's because of this unusual position that it looks a bit weird. But that's just me who is not a biomechanics expert and certainly don't sit on the ICC elite umpiring panel.

 

[Hawkeye]

Again dodgy action today.

What a poor bowler.

Even with chucks he can't generate much pace.

 

[Danyaalr01]

I've always said he has a dodgy action. That bend in the elbow is big, and defintely isn't a hyper extension. No wonder I have never ever seen him in half sleeves.

 

[Hawkeye]

I've always said he has a dodgy action. That bend in the elbow is big, and defintely isn't a hyper extension. No wonder I have never ever seen him in half sleeves.

And he doesn't even get reported.

A disgrace to our bowling legacy.