Just another Bloody Sunday in Kashmir

[m.shah]

At least ten Kashmiris were killed yesterday by the Indian army which includes seven civilians (ten year old, 8th standard boy) and three rebels. Our life has been made hell and top of that the biggest terrorist country is enjoying by killing my brothers. When will this bloodshed end on my land? When will that day come when no mother will lost her son. Whole kashmir is crying by seeing the visuals from yesterday encounter site. #rip #kulgam #brothers.

 

[Pakistanian]

The pics on twitter are just gruesome, so many have people including women and children have been killed. Do you know what started this recent bloodshed?

 

[Napa]

At least ten Kashmiris were killed yesterday by the Indian army which includes seven civilians (ten year old, 8th standard boy) and three rebels. Our life has been made hell and top of that the biggest terrorist country is enjoying by killing my brothers. When will this bloodshed end on my land? When will that day come when no mother will lost her son. Whole kashmir is crying by seeing the visuals from yesterday encounter site. #rip #kulgam #brothers.

Are you sure that separating from India will lead to "no mother will lost her son"? There are an awful lot of sons being lost in Balochistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc.

 

[m.shah]

The pics on twitter are just gruesome, so many have people including women and children have been killed. Do you know what started this recent bloodshed?

There have been killings everyday in Kashmir. We woke up in the morning with a fear which mother has lost her son today. It is as if the lives of Kashmiris have no value. One word to your question illegal occupation.

 

[m.shah]

Are you sure that separating from India will lead to "no mother will lost her son"? There are an awful lot of sons being lost in Balochistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc.

What can I say brother.. Let's hope no mother lost his son.

 

[Hitman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sara, Which reality are you talking about!? Please enlighten us why do u guys rush to encounter sites? &#55358;&#56596; <a href="https://t.co/rOLXHHrVRt">pic.twitter.com/rOLXHHrVRt</a></p>— Jammu Tweeter (@jammu_tweeter) <a href="https://twitter.com/jammu_tweeter/status/1054016464519290881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Napa]

What can I say brother.. Let's hope no mother lost his son.

I hope so too. There can't be a greater pain than losing a child.

 

[m.shah]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sara, Which reality are you talking about!? Please enlighten us why do u guys rush to encounter sites? &#55358;&#56596; <a href="https://t.co/rOLXHHrVRt">pic.twitter.com/rOLXHHrVRt</a></p>— Jammu Tweeter (@jammu_tweeter) <a href="https://twitter.com/jammu_tweeter/status/1054016464519290881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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First tell me how can army leave the encounter site without sanitizing it that too when they have planted ieds themselves. Army had made whole kashmir as a war field where should we go then when you killing our brothers?

 

[m.shah]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sara, Which reality are you talking about!? Please enlighten us why do u guys rush to encounter sites? &#55358;&#56596; <a href="https://t.co/rOLXHHrVRt">pic.twitter.com/rOLXHHrVRt</a></p>— Jammu Tweeter (@jammu_tweeter) <a href="https://twitter.com/jammu_tweeter/status/1054016464519290881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Nine civilians have died not one.

 

[m.shah]

[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]

 

[Hitman]

First tell me how can army leave the encounter site without sanitizing it that too when they have planted ieds themselves. Army had made whole kashmir as a war field where should we go then when you killing our brothers?

I'm not justifying anything. I'm merely bringing into light what the J&K police has to say regarding the matter. I'm not a Kashmiri, so I'm not the one who has been suffering. I have very little to practically no right to voice my opinion on the matter since it's not me who is suffering there.

 

[m.shah]

I'm not justifying anything. I'm merely bringing into light what the J&K police has to say regarding the matter. I'm not a Kashmiri, so I'm not the one who has been suffering. I have very little to practically no right to voice my opinion on the matter since it's not me who is suffering there.

Well jkp is headed by Indian officials from outside so they will do anything to justify the killing.

 

[Madplayer]

[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]

I feel the pain bro. I just try my best to keep away from threads based on Kashmir now because the absolute lack of empathy from some people is just sickening. The mental and physical torture inflicted upon our previous and current generations since decades seems to be irrelevant and is brushed aside as something that we deserve or have brought upon ourselves. Its amazing that in this day and age, where definition of human rights has become so broad and covers even the most basic aspects of our lives, that we have people who are willing to continue killing our people generation after generation for some hollow pride or evil greed of their. What happened yestersday to all those innocent people was just another reminder of why a political solution is long overdue.

 

[DRsohail]

Very sad news to hear our hearts bleed with kashmiri brothers.

 

[Pakistanian]

Are you sure that separating from India will lead to "no mother will lost her son"? There are an awful lot of sons being lost in Balochistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

 

[Napa]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

You missed the point. I did not say "what about Iraq? As it happens in Iraq, so it is okay for Kashmir". I said "if Kashmir separates, what makes you believe it won't end up like Iraq?".

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

They keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. That’s the definition of insanity.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

You missed the point. I did not say "what about Iraq? As it happens in Iraq, so it is okay for Kashmir". I said "if Kashmir separates, what makes you believe it won't end up like Iraq?".

That’s a lot of what ifs. Kashmiris aren’t enjoying the luxury of hypotheticals right now.

 

[Napa]

That’s a lot of what ifs. Kashmiris aren’t enjoying the luxury of hypotheticals right now.

Most countries in the world do not allow a part of the country to secede just because the people living there want to. India is like most countries in this respect.

Also, the Indian Army is going to fire back if attacked.

Given its tourism potential, Kashmiris have the opportunity to become the richest state in India (in terms of per capita income) if the rebellion ends. The choice is to continue a futile rebellion (which can only succeed if the Central Govt of India collapses for other reasons) or become wealthy.

 

[PakLFC]

No sons are being lost in Baluchistan after Pak killed Indian terrorism there. As for the situation in IoK a good many Indian terrorist soldiers lost their lives as well. There is absolutely no comparison between the now much more peace Baluchistan and IoK. As usual the Indian army immediately began pointing the finger at Pak to cover their blood soaked claws. The military firing back only leads to more Kashmiri youth becoming rebels full of hatred for India.

 

[javier]

No sons are being lost in Baluchistan after Pak killed Indian terrorism there. As for the situation in IoK a good many Indian terrorist soldiers lost their lives as well. There is absolutely no comparison between the now much more peace Baluchistan and IoK. As usual the Indian army immediately began pointing the finger at Pak to cover their blood soaked claws. The military firing back only leads to more Kashmiri youth becoming rebels full of hatred for India.

And No sons will be lost in Indian Kashmir when the Pak sponsored terrorism ends . So stop funding the Mujahideen groups and terrorist camps operating in your country.

 

[Syed1]

Waiting for small person [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] to come and defend this.

 

[Syed1]

Inna lillahi wa inna illahi rajioon....


What really boils my blood is the stupid people justifying this.

 

[Pakistanian]

You missed the point. I did not say "what about Iraq? As it happens in Iraq, so it is okay for Kashmir". I said "if Kashmir separates, what makes you believe it won't end up like Iraq?".

Yet india doesn't occupy iraq or syria. Once kashmir is independent from india then you guys won't need to worry about a foreign country.

 

[Napa]

Yet india doesn't occupy iraq or syria. <b>Once kashmir is independent from india</b> then you guys won't need to worry about a foreign country.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The apathy on human rights, the reliance on false equivalence and a general lack of moral obligation to stand against human rights violation is astonishing but not surprising.

 

[Napa]

The apathy on human rights, the reliance on false equivalence and a general lack of moral obligation to stand against human rights violation is astonishing but not surprising.

"False equivalence" lies in the eyes of the beholder.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

"False equivalence" lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Apparently everything lies in the eyes of the beholder. There is definitely something wrong with the apathetic beholders.

 

[Mamoon]

Waiting for small person [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] to come and defend this.

There is nothing to defend here. However, as I always say, Kashmir is not our problem and we have bigger internal issues to deal with.

Instead of showing solidarity with Indian Kashmiris over the Internet, perhaps we should reserve our keyboard for the actual Pakistanis who are being persecuted in Pakistan.

The Kashmir issue truly brings out the hypocrisy that resides within us. Also, considering our black history of committing some of the worst atrocities in East Pakistan, we are in no position to take the moral high ground and lecture India on their actions in J&K.

I hope that Kashmir finds peace. Plenty of innocent lives have been lost because of the insurgencies, but ultimately it is not our war to fight. Kashmiri leadership needs to re-evaluate their goal.

India will not cede control of J&K, and Pakistan will not stop poking its nose. Ultimately, Pakistan and the people of J&K are losing more out of this war than India, which are developing economically at a rapid rate and have left Pakistan completely in its shadow.

Similarly, Kashmiris, with their unrealistic aspirations, are inhibiting their immense potential. As pointed out already, they can become the richest state in India because of their tourism potential.

Kashmir will be the end of Pakistan if we do not mend our ways. Far too many resources are being used over a war that we cannot win, and it has given our military too much control which is hampering our economic progress.

If we continue like this for another 70 years, we will be a failed state and our people will be on their knees with dry tongues, hoping for aid droppings from the sky.

 

[Napa]

Apparently everything lies in the eyes of the beholder. There is definitely something wrong with the apathetic beholders.

Being apathetic is different from being resistant to insurgencies that threaten to break up my country.

Those supporting the Kashmir insurgency may not be apathetic but they certainly are delusional. Keeping on fighting when all it will do is cause deaths and poverty is not to be recommended.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Being apathetic is different from being resistant to insurgencies that threaten to break up my country.

Those supporting the Kashmir insurgency may not be apathetic but they certainly are delusional. Keeping on fighting when all it will do is cause deaths and poverty is not to be recommended.

I guess supporting the killing of civilians by the state is very much part of that ‘resistance’.

 

[slipcatch]

There is nothing to defend here. However, as I always say, Kashmir is not our problem and we have bigger internal issues to deal with.

Having bigger internal issue does not in absolute term prohibit anyone from discussing Kashmir.

Instead of showing solidarity with Indian Kashmiris over the Internet, perhaps we should reserve our keyboard for the actual Pakistanis who are being persecuted in Pakistan.
Again, Showing solidarity with Indian occupied Kashmiri does not have any bearing of not showing solidarity with minority in Pakistan, almost everyone on this forum have criticized Pakistan for not doing much for Pakistani minority and it's internal issue.

The Kashmir issue truly brings out the hypocrisy that resides within us. Also, considering our black history of committing some of the worst atrocities in East Pakistan, we are in no position to take the moral high ground and lecture India on their actions in J&K.

Just because atrocities were committed does not mean in future the same people aren't allow to talk about present atrocities committed. If it were true then who and how will one end atrocities, come up with better excuse to put down Pakistan

I hope that Kashmir finds peace. Plenty of innocent lives have been lost because of the insurgencies, but ultimately it is not our war to fight. Kashmiri leadership needs to re-evaluate their goal.

Pakistan should and must support Kashmiri struggle and at the same time find a way to initiate talk with India to end terrorized activities by Indian army

India will not cede control of J&K, and Pakistan will not stop poking its nose. Ultimately, Pakistan and the people of J&K are losing more out of this war than India, which are developing economically at a rapid rate and have left Pakistan completely in its shadow.

Corrupt politician, not kashmir is the reason of current Pakistan's economy, No country has explicitly said that they would not do business with Pakistan because of Kashmir.

Similarly, Kashmiris, with their unrealistic aspirations, are inhibiting their immense potential. As pointed out already, they can become the richest state in India because of their tourism potential.

For some, money isn't everything. Freedom is

Kashmir will be the end of Pakistan if we do not mend our ways. Far too many resources are being used over a war that we cannot win, and it has given our military too much control which is hampering our economic progress.
lol, no it won't,

If we continue like this for another 70 years, we will be a failed state and our people will be on their knees with dry tongues, hoping for aid droppings from the sky.
We will be a failed state if we were to keep electing politician that you supported just because you wanted to sound relevant on Pakpassion

Kashmir is Pakistan's issue that Pakistan need to find a way to resolve.

 

[Napa]

I guess supporting the killing of civilians by the state is very much part of that ‘resistance’.

Sort of like the Michael Brown shooting which led to Black Lives Matter. Brown punched an armed cop and got shot. What did he expect?

Indian Army soldiers engage terrorists and "civilians" rush to protect the terrorists. "Civilians" throw stones at security forces. What do they expect?

16725 civilians were killed by militants while 5462 security force personnel lost their lives in ongoing insurgency in last 24 years in J&K.

http://www.kashmirtimes.in/newsdet.aspx?q=29912

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

There is nothing to defend here. However, as I always say, Kashmir is not our problem and we have bigger internal issues to deal with.

Instead of showing solidarity with Indian Kashmiris over the Internet, perhaps we should reserve our keyboard for the actual Pakistanis who are being persecuted in Pakistan.

The Kashmir issue truly brings out the hypocrisy that resides within us. Also, considering our black history of committing some of the worst atrocities in East Pakistan, we are in no position to take the moral high ground and lecture India on their actions in J&K.

I hope that Kashmir finds peace. Plenty of innocent lives have been lost because of the insurgencies, but ultimately it is not our war to fight. Kashmiri leadership needs to re-evaluate their goal.

India will not cede control of J&K, and Pakistan will not stop poking its nose. Ultimately, Pakistan and the people of J&K are losing more out of this war than India, which are developing economically at a rapid rate and have left Pakistan completely in its shadow.

Similarly, Kashmiris, with their unrealistic aspirations, are inhibiting their immense potential. As pointed out already, they can become the richest state in India because of their tourism potential.

Kashmir will be the end of Pakistan if we do not mend our ways. Far too many resources are being used over a war that we cannot win, and it has given our military too much control which is hampering our economic progress.

If we continue like this for another 70 years, we will be a failed state and our people will be on their knees with dry tongues, hoping for aid droppings from the sky.

We don’t need to build a moral hierarchy for condemning human rights violations. You can object to the human rights violations within and outside the territorial borders of Pakistan at the same time. Criticising one side and feeling ashamed/afraid to criticise the other makes one look weak and hypocritical. I object to the death penalty, treatment of minorities, ethnic discrimination and many other social issues related to Pakistan. It never stopped me from criticising the other side on the same issues. Identifying two wrongs don’t make YOU wrong. It makes you consistent and puts in the right.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Sort of like the Michael Brown shooting which led to Black Lives Matter. Brown punched an armed cop and got shot. What did he expect?

Indian Army soldiers engage terrorists and "civilians" rush to protect the terrorists. "Civilians" throw stones at security forces. What do they expect?



http://www.kashmirtimes.in/newsdet.aspx?q=29912

They expect from that soldier to have enough self esteem and dignity to know that he isn’t wanted there.

 

[Napa]

They expect from that soldier to have enough self esteem and dignity to know that he isn’t wanted there.

A soldier, like soldiers everywhere, follows orders. The orders come from the Central Government, which is only acting on the wishes of the people who voted it to power to keep the country intact.

 

[slipcatch]

Sort of like the Michael Brown shooting which led to Black Lives Matter. Brown punched an armed cop and got shot. What did he expect?

Indian Army soldiers engage terrorists and "civilians" rush to protect the terrorists. "Civilians" throw stones at security forces. What do they expect?



http://www.kashmirtimes.in/newsdet.aspx?q=29912

comparing a police officer with fight for freedom, i guess you are desperate.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

A soldier, like soldiers everywhere, follows orders. The orders come from the Central Government, which is only acting on the wishes of the people who voted it to power to keep the country intact.

Tyranny of the majority ain’t no democracy.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

There is nothing to defend here. However, as I always say, Kashmir is not our problem and we have bigger internal issues to deal with.

Instead of showing solidarity with Indian Kashmiris over the Internet, perhaps we should reserve our keyboard for the actual Pakistanis who are being persecuted in Pakistan.

The Kashmir issue truly brings out the hypocrisy that resides within us. Also, considering our black history of committing some of the worst atrocities in East Pakistan, we are in no position to take the moral high ground and lecture India on their actions in J&K.

I hope that Kashmir finds peace. Plenty of innocent lives have been lost because of the insurgencies, but ultimately it is not our war to fight. Kashmiri leadership needs to re-evaluate their goal.

India will not cede control of J&K, and Pakistan will not stop poking its nose. Ultimately, Pakistan and the people of J&K are losing more out of this war than India, which are developing economically at a rapid rate and have left Pakistan completely in its shadow.

Similarly, Kashmiris, with their unrealistic aspirations, are inhibiting their immense potential. As pointed out already, they can become the richest state in India because of their tourism potential.

Kashmir will be the end of Pakistan if we do not mend our ways. Far too many resources are being used over a war that we cannot win, and it has given our military too much control which is hampering our economic progress.

If we continue like this for another 70 years, we will be a failed state and our people will be on their knees with dry tongues, hoping for aid droppings from the sky.

Man, this is pathetic.

People like you gave Pakistan a week back in August '47. Yet here we are.

 

[Syed1]

A soldier, like soldiers everywhere, follows orders. The orders come from the Central Government, which is only acting on the wishes of the people who voted it to power to keep the country intact.

Always remember that Hitler had the support of majority of Germans. Didn't make it right for him to murder millions of Jews.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

A soldier, like soldiers everywhere, follows orders. The orders come from the Central Government, which is only acting on the wishes of the people who voted it to power to keep the country intact.

And I guess if we go by that logic then disproportionat Police brutality against minorities is also justified. Sums up your whole argument.

 

[UN talkz]

There is nothing to defend here. However, as I always say, Kashmir is not our problem and we have bigger internal issues to deal with.

Instead of showing solidarity with Indian Kashmiris over the Internet, perhaps we should reserve our keyboard for the actual Pakistanis who are being persecuted in Pakistan.

The Kashmir issue truly brings out the hypocrisy that resides within us. Also, considering our black history of committing some of the worst atrocities in East Pakistan, we are in no position to take the moral high ground and lecture India on their actions in J&K.

I hope that Kashmir finds peace. Plenty of innocent lives have been lost because of the insurgencies, but ultimately it is not our war to fight. Kashmiri leadership needs to re-evaluate their goal.

India will not cede control of J&K, and Pakistan will not stop poking its nose. Ultimately, Pakistan and the people of J&K are losing more out of this war than India, which are developing economically at a rapid rate and have left Pakistan completely in its shadow.

Similarly, Kashmiris, with their unrealistic aspirations, are inhibiting their immense potential. As pointed out already, they can become the richest state in India because of their tourism potential.

Kashmir will be the end of Pakistan if we do not mend our ways. Far too many resources are being used over a war that we cannot win, and it has given our military too much control which is hampering our economic progress.

If we continue like this for another 70 years, we will be a failed state and our people will be on their knees with dry tongues, hoping for aid droppings from the sky.

You will always remain like that

Thought there would have been a change or two in you after that post but you are still same old.....

About that highlighted part, Kashmiris don't need your fake sympathy, you can continue to be an attention monger.

"Smol peeple"

 

[Napa]

And I guess if we go by that logic then disproportionat Police brutality against minorities is also justified. Sums up your whole argument.

You can call it "proportional Police brutality" or you can call it "minimum force needed to defeat an insurgency".

Really, given that civilians rush to protect terrorists when they are surrounded by security forces, tells me that the civilians have very little fear of the security forces. If you want to understand true "police brutality" look to how Saddam ran his country or how the Saudis run their country. There the minorities are terrified and would never rush to openly confront security forces the way they do in Kashmir.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is nothing to defend here. However, as I always say, Kashmir is not our problem and we have bigger internal issues to deal with.

Instead of showing solidarity with Indian Kashmiris over the Internet, perhaps we should reserve our keyboard for the actual Pakistanis who are being persecuted in Pakistan.

The Kashmir issue truly brings out the hypocrisy that resides within us. Also, considering our black history of committing some of the worst atrocities in East Pakistan, we are in no position to take the moral high ground and lecture India on their actions in J&K.

I hope that Kashmir finds peace. Plenty of innocent lives have been lost because of the insurgencies, but ultimately it is not our war to fight. Kashmiri leadership needs to re-evaluate their goal.

India will not cede control of J&K, and Pakistan will not stop poking its nose. Ultimately, Pakistan and the people of J&K are losing more out of this war than India, which are developing economically at a rapid rate and have left Pakistan completely in its shadow.

Similarly, Kashmiris, with their unrealistic aspirations, are inhibiting their immense potential. As pointed out already, they can become the richest state in India because of their tourism potential.

Kashmir will be the end of Pakistan if we do not mend our ways. Far too many resources are being used over a war that we cannot win, and it has given our military too much control which is hampering our economic progress.

If we continue like this for another 70 years, we will be a failed state and our people will be on their knees with dry tongues, hoping for aid droppings from the sky.

1. 'Our'? Surely even you realise your views dont represent those of most Pakistanis? You come across as someone who loves India more than Pakistan and have little care for innocent people killed by Indian security forces, Pakistanis in general do not think the same. Do not use the term 'our's, nobody is like you.

2. Please tell me which Pakistanis are being systematacilly persecuted for decades as the Kashmiri's are in IOK? You do also realise those in IOK are not Indians?


On topic..Its heartbreaking to see Indian barbaric state terrorism continuing to murder innocent people. I have no respect for Indians, who dont condemn this but instead are apologists for murder. They are no better than the low life Indian security who do the actual killing.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

1. 'Our'? Surely even you realise your views dont represent those of most Pakistanis? You come across as someone who loves India more than Pakistan and have little care for innocent people killed by Indian security forces, Pakistanis in general do not think the same. Do not use the term 'our's, nobody is like you.

2. Please tell me which Pakistanis are being systematacilly persecuted for decades as the Kashmiri's are in IOK? You do also realise those in IOK are not Indians?


On topic..Its heartbreaking to see Indian barbaric state terrorism continuing to murder innocent people. I have no respect for Indians, who dont condemn this but instead are apologists for murder. They are no better than the low life Indian security who do the actual killing.

I think the issue is bigger than an Us vs Them. You can criticise Pakistan for its own flaws and it shouldn’t stop you from criticising others for the same flaws. It’s not about tribalism. It’s about humanity.

 

[Napa]

Always remember that Hitler had the support of majority of Germans. Didn't make it right for him to murder millions of Jews.

What sort of logic is this? Because Hitler was evil, it does not follow that all soldiers following orders have evil leaders.

Anyway, check your history. Hitler never won a majority of votes in a national election. The closes he came was winning about 44% of the votes in 1933, his last contested elections.

Also, Godwin's Law is now active:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think the issue is bigger than an Us vs Them. You can criticise Pakistan for its own flaws and it shouldn’t stop you from criticising others for the same flaws. It’s not about tribalism. It’s about humanity.

Sure. The problem is Pakistan doesn't have the same flaw, nowhere near. Only Palestine can be compared to Kashmir where a foreign force is occuyping and sytematcally using brutality against a population and wanting to ethnically cleanse them from their own land. You have to lack empathy for humanity if you cannot critise or condemn such crimes but instead become apologists by trying to divert or making excuses for murder.

 

[Napa]

Sure. The problem is Pakistan doesn't have the same flaw, nowhere near. <b>Only Palestine can be compared to Kashmir where a foreign force is occuyping and sytematcally using brutality against a population and wanting to ethnically cleanse them from their own land.</b> You have to lack empathy for humanity if you cannot critise or condemn such crimes but instead become apologists by trying to divert or making excuses for murder.

Your detachment from reality is hilarious.

1) You have no idea how really brutal regimes work. Check how the Saudis crush the Shias in the Shia majority oil rich provinces.

2) The only ethnic cleansing that has happened in Kashmir has been the violent cleansing of Kashmiri Hindus (mainly Pandits).

 

[KingKhanWC]

Your detachment from reality is hilarious.

1) You have no idea how really brutal regimes work. Check how the Saudis crush the Shias in the Shia majority oil rich provinces.

2) The only ethnic cleansing that has happened in Kashmir has been the violent cleansing of Kashmiri Hindus (mainly Pandits).

Saudi is not occuyping disputed land. Plenty of nations go to war with others or treat their own citizens badly. Kashmiris are not citizens of India but live in disupted land.

So according to you Kashmiris havent been killed in their thousands over decades but it's only the poor pandits who are the victims?

Yet you say im not with reality.

 

[PakLFC]

And No sons will be lost in Indian Kashmir when the Pak sponsored terrorism ends . So stop funding the Mujahideen groups and terrorist camps operating in your country.

Pak ain't sponsoring nothing. The kids with stones in their hands and people carrying the Pak flags are not funded by Pak at all. How can that be so when we are financially struggling. Pak would need to be trillionaires to be able to fund so many people. Terrorism in Pak has almost disappeared since Kulbushan was apprehended. The ISI has also gone in Afghanistan and killed Indian terrorists hide outs. They also just got the Pak Taliban to bang them, great job. Even Bikram Singh and Ajit Doval have spoken of Indian terror factories in Pakistan.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Media outlets including Al Jazeera report (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/civilians-killed-kashmir-blast-181021121008423.html) that 6 civilians died because an unexploded shell went off, there was exchange of shells from both sides in which case the terrorists were equally responsible. 3 terrorists and 4 security personnel were killed, no way can one expect the securitymen to remain passive when they are targeted by the jihadis, doesn't happen in any country. For peace the onus is on the so called freedom fighters, if they are serious about the struggle they need to shun arms, just like how some Naga groups and Naxal factions have done.

 

[Napa]

Saudi is not occuyping disputed land. Plenty of nations go to war with others or treat their own citizens badly. Kashmiris are not citizens of India but live in disupted land.

So according to you Kashmiris havent been killed in their thousands over decades but it's only the poor pandits who are the victims?

Yet you say im not with reality.

I am sure you realize that "disputed land" is a cop out. The fact that the land is "disputed" doesn't in any way excuse Saudi behavior.

Also Kashmir isn't disputed. The Shimla agreement was signed to resolve the issues between India and Pakistan, including the return of 90,000 POWs to Pakistan. It specifically said:

In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement

 

[KingKhanWC]

Media outlets including Al Jazeera report (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/civilians-killed-kashmir-blast-181021121008423.html) that 6 civilians died because an unexploded shell went off, there was exchange of shells from both sides in which case the terrorists were equally responsible. 3 terrorists and 4 security personnel were killed, no way can one expect the securitymen to remain passive when they are targeted by the jihadis, doesn't happen in any country. For peace the onus is on the so called freedom fighters, if they are serious about the struggle they need to shun arms, just like how some Naga groups and Naxal factions have done.

Do you know the names and nationality of the so called 'terrorists'?

 

[Greenstorm]

Kashmiris have suffered a great lot. Hopefully, they will find peace one day.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am sure you realize that "disputed land" is a cop out. The fact that the land is "disputed" doesn't in any way excuse Saudi behavior.

Also Kashmir isn't disputed. The Shimla agreement was signed to resolve the issues between India and Pakistan, including the return of 90,000 POWs to Pakistan. It specifically said:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Agreement

It is disputed according to International law. The agreement only stated the line of control is to be respected and never did it give India the land as this goes against the UN resoluation which still stands to this day. Besides Indian killing has made that agreement pretty much void in reality. India doesnt own this land and never will.

 

[Napa]

It is disputed according to International law. The agreement only stated the line of control is to be respected and never did it give India the land as this goes against the UN resoluation which still stands to this day. <b>Besides Indian killing has made that agreement pretty much void in reality.</b> India doesnt own this land and never will.

This is stuff you are making up. There is nothing in the agreement that says it will be void due to "Indian killing". And Indians would argue that the terrorists are the ones responsible for the killings.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Do you know the names and nationality of the so called 'terrorists'?

Don't need to know. If people pick up weapons against the security apparatus with the aim to kill, they are violent terrorists. Doesn't matter if it is India or Pakistan or Russia or England, doesn't matter what the ideology is. The onus is on the security personnel to take measures to neutralize such threats, civilians dying is tragic but both sides are responsible for that. If they give up arms and start a non violent struggle I will support their right for referendum. In this day and age that is the best way to win a political struggle as shown by Mandela just a few years back. Terror won't accomplish a thing, only lives will be destroyed and generations scarred. I am not defending India here but IMO the only solution is the negotiating table, be it Kashmiris or Maoists or North East insurgent groups. Same applies for every single country in the world plagued by insurgency.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Don't need to know. If people pick up weapons against the security apparatus with the aim to kill, they are violent terrorists. Doesn't matter if it is India or Pakistan or Russia or England, doesn't matter what the ideology is. The onus is on the security personnel to take measures to neutralize such threats, civilians dying is tragic but both sides are responsible for that. If they give up arms and start a non violent struggle I will support their right for referendum. In this day and age that is the best way to win a political struggle as shown by Mandela just a few years back. Terror won't accomplish a thing, only lives will be destroyed and generations scarred. I am not defending India here but IMO the only solution is the negotiating table, be it Kashmiris or Maoists or North East insurgent groups. Same applies for every single country in the world plagued by insurgency.

It matters because those people who are defending their families and lands cannot be classed as terrorists as they are being occupied. I think you will find they have tried non-violent protests and this continues but has made no difference. Would you just sit there if since your birth you have security forces restriricting your freedom, imprisoning your friends, killing children and maybe your family members too? The solution is simple, in all of Kashmir give everyone the vote to decide their own future. Would you support this?

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is stuff you are making up. There is nothing in the agreement that says it will be void due to "Indian killing". And Indians would argue that the terrorists are the ones responsible for the killings.

You cant take an agreement seriously if you continue with brutality. The agreement was for peace right? And im glad you have learned something today, the agreement never gave the land to India, it's not Pakistans right to do so. Well done.

 

[BlackShadow]

So civilians visited encounter site despite being warned not to visit and set off explosives?

Army's fault? Don't think so.

RIP to the victims.

 

[BlackShadow]

It is disputed according to International law. The agreement only stated the line of control is to be respected and never did it give India the land as this goes against the UN resoluation which still stands to this day. Besides Indian killing has made that agreement pretty much void in reality. India doesnt own this land and never will.

Well, they do and will continue to do so. Will Pakistan do something about this? Don't think so.

A Pakistani's energy will be better spent talking about thousands of their own countrymen being butchered by their army. What happens in India is not your concern.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well, they do and will continue to do so. Will Pakistan do something about this? Don't think so.

A Pakistani's energy will be better spent talking about thousands of their own countrymen being butchered by their army. What happens in India is not your concern.

Only in the heads of Indians they do. It's not in India and yes its my concern as unlike you I dont enjoy seeing innocent people murdered or school girls being raped. Sure it makes you smile though.

 

[Swashbuckler]

It matters because those people who are defending their families and lands cannot be classed as terrorists as they are being occupied. I think you will find they have tried non-violent protests and this continues but has made no difference. Would you just sit there if since your birth you have security forces restriricting your freedom, imprisoning your friends, killing children and maybe your family members too? The solution is simple, in all of Kashmir give everyone the vote to decide their own future. Would you support this?

This is the classic chicken and egg situation. A case can be argued that the security forces are using excessive force because of violence perpetuated by terrorists. The heavy death toll started in late 80s when many terror groups were formed.

I support demands of Kashmiris to decide their own future. If it means referendum and separation from Indian Union I have no qualms but as a prerequisite the violence should cease and due democratic process has to be followed. I always support the rights of suffering people, not just Kashmir I believe there should be referendums all over the globe in similar situations just like how Western countries (Canada/Quebec, Scotland) have done in the recent past.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is the classic chicken and egg situation. A case can be argued that the security forces are using excessive force because of violence perpetuated by terrorists. The heavy death toll started in late 80s when many terror groups were formed.

I support demands of Kashmiris to decide their own future. If it means referendum and separation from Indian Union I have no qualms but as a prerequisite the violence should cease and due democratic process has to be followed. I always support the rights of suffering people, not just Kashmir I believe there should be referendums all over the globe in similar situations just like how Western countries (Canada/Quebec, Scotland) have done in the recent past.

Its nice to see at least ONE Indian who condemns the Indian forces unlawful killings. Am I right? It's also nice to see at least ONE Indian who wants the Kashmiris to decide their own future.

The case can be made but in most circumstances there is no case as children are no threat, even with little stones and girls going to school are no threat at all. Not to mention the mass graves were people were killed, buried without notifying anyone.

 

[BlackShadow]

No sons are being lost in Baluchistan after Pak killed Indian terrorism there. As for the situation in IoK a good many Indian terrorist soldiers lost their lives as well. There is absolutely no comparison between the now much more peace Baluchistan and IoK. As usual the Indian army immediately began pointing the finger at Pak to cover their blood soaked claws. The military firing back only leads to more Kashmiri youth becoming rebels full of hatred for India.

No sons will be lost in Kashmir once India kills Pakistani terrorism there. Do you guys plan on taking down terrorist camps operating in PoK?

 

[PakLFC]

No sons will be lost in Kashmir once India kills Pakistani terrorism there. Do you guys plan on taking down terrorist camps operating in PoK?

There are no camps in Pak to take down. It is your terror army in IoK that is killing the people and being killed in return. You can never kill the Kashmiri will for freedom, never! This is because in Baluchistan Pak killed the terrorists India was supporting where as in IoK the situation is totally different.

 

[Pakistanian]

No sons will be lost in Kashmir once India kills Pakistani terrorism there. Do you guys plan on taking down terrorist camps operating in PoK?

Pakistan is doing what India did prior to '71, arming and supporting separatists. You can call them separatists or terrorists but it if India can support Bengali separatists against Pakistan then there's no reason why Pakistan can't do the same for kashmiris.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Yet india doesn't occupy iraq or syria. Once kashmir is independent from india then you guys won't need to worry about a foreign country.

What’s to stop Kashmir from ending up as another Afghanistan when independent ? This will cause twice the headache to India and more chaos to follow. Pakistan can’t sustain itself and does anyone think it can help Kashmir financially ?

 

[enkidu_]

What’s to stop Kashmir from ending up as another Afghanistan when independent ? This will cause twice the headache to India and more chaos to follow. Pakistan can’t sustain itself and does anyone think it can help Kashmir financially ?

Do you mean independent Kashmir would be a friendly country ?

And you guys seem to care more about Kashmiris' financial security than they do about themselves, they seem to care more about not seeing their peoples killed, and not as if under India their situation would be different than that of Dalits or generic Muslims for that matter (and don't bring some Pashtun imports in Bollywood as barometer of their success, I'm talking Sachar committee , etc)

 

[Napa]

Pakistan is doing what India did prior to '71, arming and supporting separatists. You can call them separatists or terrorists but it if India can support Bengali separatists against Pakistan then there's no reason why Pakistan can't do the same for kashmiris.

One difference is that India supported the Bengali separatists and in about 6 months the issue was over. The war had minimal impact on India's economy. If anything dividing Pakistan into half improved India's longer term economic outlook, as it needed to make fewer investments in its defense.

In contrast, the nurturing of jihadis to fight the war in Kashmir has created a low-level war with no end in sight after 70 years, degraded Pakistan's security situation and put its economy into a very deep hole.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I don’t understand the compulsive need for the ppl to defend bad behaviour their respective authorities.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan is doing what India did prior to '71, arming and supporting separatists. You can call them separatists or terrorists but it if India can support Bengali separatists against Pakistan then there's no reason why Pakistan can't do the same for kashmiris.

Prior to 71?
Lol.

Millions of east pakistanis illegally entered india and became refugees in India to escape the genocide. Pakistan despite several official requests refused to take them back.

Basically Pakistan wanted to push the bengali speakers in to India or kill them and keep the land.

If millions had not invaded india, India had no reason to poke its nose into BD. We were dragged in.

 

[Darkrai]

RIP

This world is not just. You can commit the most cruelest of crimes and still get away with it. But i guess that is why there is an afterlife, which is just.