I dont think he is capable enough to handle such responsibility.
Happy Birthday to Pakistan’s GOAT keeper+Batsman of T20 cricket
Good batsman, useless WK. The guy couldn't catch a beech ball and his terrible WK cost us a victory in Sydney in 2009. If you look at the allegations of match fixing in England, you will remember that Kami and Wahab were also mentioned along with the trio.
Who investigated them? Scotland Yard? Are they controlled by the Pakistani establishment? Did they get cleared by Scotland Yard? Are they still guilty because they have good ties with PMLN?
They should have investigated every time Australia got the ball to reverse back then too.
Cheating to win a game isn't the same as cheating to lose a game. Hopefully it's not too difficult for you to understand
Yes of course that’s how you will understand it because he isn’t from your political group
What has politics got to do with. Can you not even understand basic stuff. You have no idea about anything you post. Grow up and learn to defend a point.
Grow up? You’ve grown old and you still bicker like a 12 year old. How about you do the adulting first before telling anyone else.
Oh dear, you are so poorly informed. They support a criminal regime and are also corrupt
He was an ok keeper. Yes he missed some important chances at crucial moments. He wasn’t great as a keeper.
But you described him as PKs greatest ever. The thing is that as your knowledge is limited you got no idea what went wrong. He was a good WK until 2006 and then he got a finger injury on the Eng tour. From that moment onwards he was pretty useless in many games. Do I believe he was a fixer? No is the simple answer or maybe I don't want believe it. My instinct tells me he wasn't but just rubbish because he never got his finger fixed and then lost confidence. He was a very good batsman, played 2 great innings against Ind( 2 of our best ever).
But your conflating results with Kamis greatness. He played his part but we saw him play and he was a good bat but after 2006, he couldn't keep for toffee. Not even his family would describe him as PKs greatest. Your problem is that you see statistics but not context.
Statistics and results for the team/achievements are two very different things.
Ijaz Ahmed played in the 92 WC as a bowler, based on your logic, Ijaz is a better bowler than say Waqar Y.
As I said. Score 0 in every one of those Test wins, series wins and World Cup victory campaigns but end on the winning side….and claim you are Pakistan’s GOAT whatever.Ijaz Ahmed played in the 92 WC as a bowler, based on your logic, Ijaz is a better bowler than say Waqar Y.
You have listed PKs achievements in which he played a small or big part in but that alone doesn't make a case for him as PKs greatest. Those of us that lived that era know this.
According to this logic josh inglis is on par with dhoni as a wk. Salute your logic.
Yep, thanks that’s my logic. Make whatever you want from it.
Wait… did you just make up a merit out of thin air for greatness? Lol
)Okay, you just realized how flawed your logic it but just don’t want to admit it.
Yes. Pretty plain and simple. I’m giving the utmost leniency. Be on the winning side, where your country is celebrating victory.Wait… did you just make up a merit out of thin air for greatness? Lol
Also, what a ridiculous merit! Just be on the winning side regardless of performance and you’re better than everyone else
No I think you have admitted that those achievements by Akmal are unlikely to be achieved by a supposed GOAT keeper.
But you are no authority to give leniency because one can’t just make up ridiculous criteria to define greatness; just because it suits their argument.
They aren’t achievements BY Akmal. They are achievements by the team Akmal was a part of.
I can make up whatever criteria I want.
Well done for working that out.
Criteria are based on logic and reason. Your criteria puts Inglis and Dhoni on par - that defies both logic and reason.
Rule? No one is abiding by any made up nonsensical rules here.
If that’s what my criteria does according to you, so be it.
Yet you fail to see my reason and logic which is plain and simple. You won’t win this debate with me on a fans forum.
Well, I’m not the only one failing to see it. Also, I’d love to see how many can see logic and reason in putting Inglis and Dhoni on par as WKs
Inglis or his fans have claimed he is Australia’s GOAT keeper+batsman? Is this (Kamran v potential Pakistan keepers) a inter country comparison or a cross country comparison?Well, I’m not the only one failing to see it. Also, I’d love to see how many can see logic and reason in putting Inglis and Dhoni on par as WKs
No one is going to shut you up with the results that you’ve listed because it’s part of a nonsensical merit - who would want to lose brain cells over a made up illogical greatness criteria?
The point of replying to you was to show you how flawed your logic is. Getting you to say “I don’t care because it’s what I believe” is equivalent to achieving that.
The logic is undeniable
Like who? Put your sources here
I got no idea what you are arguing and by the sounds of it, nor do you.
The facts/results are undeniableThe logic is undeniable
oh I know. I’m sure you do too. I’ve listed the achievements of Kamran Akmal above.
So Ijaz was better than Waqar because he won a WC, draw. It shows your terrible debating skills that you asking a fan to compare himself with a PK cricketer.
I already said I salute such logic. Takes a lot of imagination.
There was never a claim or debate that Ijaz is Pakistan’s GOAT pace bowler.
Stating facts and the truth takes courage. Not logic.
Well based on your criteria there should be.
Right, so the guy widely acknowledged as the GOAT should overtake Kamran with his achievements as I listed above? Can he do it? Is he capable of doing it? If he is according to you, we will see. Time will tell. At the moment, he isn’t ahead of Kamran.Well based on your criteria there should be.
As i explained to you Kami was WK/Batsman. To be any sort of GOAT in this category-This means that he has to be good in one, while be brilliant in the other. He was a good batsman but he averaged 30, yes 30. That is a good average for WK, it was the going rate for WK at the time he played but it wasnt anything above what you would expect. Rashid Latif averaged 28, again decent but pretty much the same but he was also brilliant Wk for most of his career. Moin Khan also averaged 28 but couldnt keep for toffee. Lets look at Riz and Sarfi both average 40, 10 more than Kami and both are miles better WKs, with Riz widely acknowledged as amongst the best in the world( even with his faults). Now go to bed and relax and i dont want to show up you up again.
You talking about logic and facts doesn't go hand in hand. You said rizwan 40 odd average in every SENA country has played is not great. So according to this virat must be rubbish because he averages less than 40 in 2 countries where rizwan average 40 plus.
If you are talking about Riz then he has already superseded Kami as WK. Kami was on par with Moin, not even a decent county Wk, for most of their careers, using the word terrible is being kind. You cant be a goat Riz has a long way to go before i even i start using the term GOAT. There are too many soft dismissals and he needs 100s outside PK.
Well that’s your opinion
Explain how a guy that was so bad at his main job can be even be considered to be competent, never mind a GOAT.
By playing and being a part of all of those iconic games and victories that I have listed
But that shows participation, that doesnt show greatness. I dont know if you know this but he was a WK and he was awful.
