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Kane Williamson - A failure in ICC World Cups thus far?

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Anfield

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Williamson has been a failure in ICC world cups. He was in form of his life before ICC cricket world cup 2015 but managed only one 50 against Aus in the world cup. Same is the case with T20s. was doing quite well in T20s until world T20 where he once again failed to step up.

So far Williamson has one only 1 50 in 13 WC matches (2 in 16 if you include Champions trophy). Averaged 37 but that has been all due to not outs.

In knockout matches he averages 27 after 5 matches.

In T20 Williamson averages 25 [MENTION=48339]111[/MENTION] with 1 50 in 13 matches.

Is he the reason why NZ haven't gone the distance in WC 2015 and ICC T20 2016? He is a strong pillar of their batting but goes missing in ICC tourneys.
 
He's not a T20 batsmen.

As for the 2015 WC, he scored valuable runs against Aus when no one from either side could.

The rest of the tournament I'd put down to poor form.
 
Just two tournaments since he became world class. Give him time, I expect him to score tons of runs in the next WC.
 
OS_89 said:
Just two tournaments since he became world class. Give him time, I expect him to score tons of runs in the next WC.
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Idk about that, he's quite over rated in LOI's tbh. Scores baby 100's but he's not a match winner like the big 3.
 
Aman said:
He's not a T20 batsmen.

As for the 2015 WC, he scored valuable runs against Aus when no one from either side could.

The rest of the tournament I'd put down to poor form.
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What poor poor form? Before that he had been scoring mountains of runs. He has scored 2 hundreds and 1 50 in 5 matches before that. And not to mention his bucketload of runs in Tests.

He was averaging 58 in T20s in past one year with a SR of 140. Not bad as a T20 player eh? He has been faltering at world stage so far.
 
Anfield said:
What poor poor form? Before that he had been scoring mountains of runs. He has scored 2 hundreds and 1 50 in 5 matches before that. And not to mention his bucketload of runs in Tests.

He was averaging 58 in T20s in past one year with a SR of 140. Not bad as a T20 player eh? He has been faltering at world stage so far.
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KW is nowhere near as good as those numbers suggest, if you've seen him bat in T20I's, you'd know how easy he is to shut down. He single handily cost us the first T20I against Pakistan and has been rubbish this world cup (aside from the Bangladesh match), he simply doesn't score quick enough to justify a batting spot in the T20I side. I'd much rather see him be replaced by some hack from the domestic level, it would be better than opening with KW and having him score a useless 20 or 30 at a SR of under 120.
 
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I am very impressed by his captaincy, the way he read the pitches is amazing, he will take nz to new heights
 
KW is our Fawad Alam in T20's, he can turn over strike but can't play the big shots to really get the team going.

Having him open is a complete waste as he is unable to take advantage of the field restrictions.
 
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The knock vs Australia was a great pressure knock though.

Williamson is a little overrated in Limited Overs because he cannot switch gears. He has good stats but doesn't impact the game much.

Unlike Kohli, Root and Smith, Williamson scoring runs generally doesn't guarantee a NZ win, and thus cannot be classified as a match-winner.

He might have a high average in wins but it is mostly other batsmen like McCullum, Guptill, Anderson, Taylor etc. who play the more impactful innings.

He's quite similar to Amla in this regard.
 
Mamoon said:
The knock vs Australia was a great pressure knock though.

Williamson is a little overrated in Limited Overs because he cannot switch gears. He has good stats but doesn't impact the game much.

Unlike Kohli, Root and Smith, Williamson scoring runs generally doesn't guarantee a NZ win, and thus cannot be classified as a match-winner.

He might have a high average in wins but it is mostly other batsmen like McCullum, Guptill, Anderson, Taylor etc. who play the more impactful innings.

He's quite similar to Amla in this regard.
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You've nailed it, he's another Amla.

Scores plenty of runs but is incapable of taking his team over the line himself.
 
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dauntless said:
So I think amla in the making
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For that to happen, he will have to fail in 7 consecutive ICC tournaments. I'd back him to come good in the future. Anyhow, the Champions Trophy next year and the World Cup in 2019 will make it clear.
 
A little bit overrated in odi.

He's like dravid. Lacks extra gears.
 
willison isn't mentally strong enough that s why he faulters underressure. I won't compare him to Dravid because Dravid was completely a different kind of player. Williamson is a stroke maker. He has technique, shots but lacks mental strength. Probably similar to Amla.
 
Mamoon said:
For that to happen, he will have to fail in 7 consecutive ICC tournaments. I'd back him to come good in the future. Anyhow, the Champions Trophy next year and the World Cup in 2019 will make it clear.
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If he doesn't score in either event, he should step aside and just focus on Test cricket.

There's no point scoring useless runs in bilaterals when you're not able to do it when it really counts.
 
Anfield said:
willison isn't mentally strong enough that s why he faulters underressure. I won't compare him to Dravid because Dravid was completely a different kind of player. Williamson is a stroke maker. He has technique, shots but lacks mental strength. Probably similar to Amla.
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KW is mentally strong, he just doesn't have the gears and ability to dominate the opposition once he's set.

That's the very reason the media and fans were so hesitant about KW playing LOI's.
 
Aman said:
If he doesn't score in either event, he should step aside and just focus on Test cricket.

There's no point scoring useless runs in bilaterals when you're not able to do it when it really counts.
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I won't be so drastic. He is the best accumulator in NZ by far and a very good foil for Guptill.

Unless NZ can produce another McCullum or Guptill, Williamson should continue to open.
 
Mamoon said:
I won't be so drastic. He is the best accumulator in NZ by far and a very good foil for Guptill.

Unless NZ can produce another McCullum or Guptill, Williamson should continue to open.
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Trust me, another failed event and people will begin to question KW's ability in ICC events.

There's no point in having someone in the side who disappears when needed.

As for a replacement, we need Ryder in the team somewhere, and then there's Glenn Phillips who looks like a decent opening prospect.
 
Aman said:
KW is mentally strong, he just doesn't have the gears and ability to dominate the opposition once he's set.

That's the very reason the media and fans were so hesitant about KW playing LOI's.
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I disagree. If he had been scoring sluggish hundreds you would have said that he doesn't have the ability to score hundred but that's clearly not the case. Because:
a) He even doesn't cross 50. If an accumulator (supposedly) isn't not even going past 50 then it's a mental issue.
b)He has been scoring hundreds at a good SR in bilateral series. In one year period before the WC 2015 he was averaged 56 with a SR of 89, that's damn good. During the WC he didn't score a single 50. you can't switch gears if you are getting out in 20s and 30s while batting at number 3.

To me not able to replicate your bilateral performance in WCs = mentally weak.
 
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Amla and Williamson are not choker in t20 format..They lack the extra gear and are limited in terms of t20 skills.

ABD is the only proven choker in this format.Played like 6-7 t20 WC and just 2-3 good knocks.An universal choker in t20 format.

In odis, its a completely different case. Amla is a proven bottler in big stages in WC or CT.Williamson hasn't done much either and is someone to look for. However, ABD is one of the best players in the world in odis and has been dominant all through the 2011 and 2015 WC..He did fairly well in WC 2007 also.So he is in league of his own in ODIs.
 
KW is the low strike rate version of ABD with much better captaincy!
 
He will come good in next WC.

I may have overestimated his batting in LOI's though.

Bottled as Captain too in SF :(
 
Ab Fan said:
Amla and Williamson are not choker in t20 format..They lack the extra gear and are limited in terms of t20 skills.

ABD is the only proven choker in this format.Played like 6-7 t20 WC and just 2-3 good knocks.An universal choker in t20 format.

In odis, its a completely different case. Amla is a proven bottler in big stages in WC or CT.Williamson hasn't done much either and is someone to look for. However, ABD is one of the best players in the world in odis and has been dominant all through the 2011 and 2015 WC..He did fairly well in WC 2007 also.So he is in league of his own in ODIs.
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Smith isn't too bad in WC knockouts though he hasn't played many. KW, Amla and Kohli are absolutely atrocious, can't understand what happens to them in the knockouts.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Smith isn't too bad in WC knockouts though he hasn't played many. KW, Amla and Kohli are absolutely atrocious, can't understand what happens to them in the knockouts.
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When did I said Smith isn't good in WC knockout.
 
He is clutch, I told here once.. Just that he doesn't have enough gears to make much of impact, particularly, in games with high prolific scores.

Very good ODI player but a full stop there itself.
 
Both williamson and root have stepped it up with there performances with bat in this world cup.

World class middle order batsemen, while we have jokers like hafeez, malik in middle order.
 
leatherface58 said:
Smith has been decent but Warner has more than made up for him.
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Smith was great against West Indies. Held the innings together. Also against Sri Lanka he kept the momentum going. Against india he got out at the wrong time.

Warner has been very good. Finch has as well.
 
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