Kane Williamson - the best batting prospect to come out of New Zealand?

[Aman]

Kane Williamson has really come into his own the last year, he averages 66.13 in Tests and 54 in ODI's in the last 12 months. This stellar year has also pushed average into the 40's in Tests and is on the verge of going into the 40's in ODI's as well, hopefully he'll carry on and push into the high 40's by career's end.

The only problem I have with his batting at the moment is his conversion rate, he's been scoring 50's consistently this year but I'd love to see him convert more of them into big match winning 100's.

So what do you think? Is he the best batting prospect to come out of NZ and Aus since Michael Clarke?

 

[Convict]

I still think Hughes is a bigger talent.

Williamson's obviously done far more and along with Smith would be the best young batsman from the Antipodes.

 

[Aman]

I still think Hughes is a bigger talent.

Williamson's obviously done far more and along with Smith would be the best young batsman from the Antipodes.

Hughes has no technique, Smith is a fighter while Williamson is the best technical batsmen of the 3.

 

[Convict]

Hughes has no technique but a lot of talent.

 

[Aman]

Hughes has no technique but a lot of talent.

Yes, how exactly is he supposed to succeed with no technique?

He may as well have no talent.

 

[fiza200]

He will be the best player for New Zealand.

 

[vandokkum]

Had to be a kiwi who would come up with that last part.

 

[Random Aussie]

He's the best Hobbit batting prospect since Jesse Ryder. Dunno about NZ and AUS together, very different conditions.

 

[SL_Fan]

Hughes has no technique but a lot of talent.

) [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] sure your last name ain't Hughes. First name Phillip.

 

[Random Aussie]

Forget Phillip Hughes, he has had what three or four goes at Test cricket? He isn't good enough.

 

[James]

Hughes is a top player but has been over-coached into oblivion.

A walking wicket at the moment, but if the right people support him then the worm will turn.

 

[SL_Fan]

Forget Phillip Hughes, he has had what three or four goes at Test cricket? He isn't good enough.

[MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION] he did pretty well in Sheffield Shield last year tho averaging 54. Still got plenty of time to come good me thinks not a hopeless case.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...er.html?class=4;host=2;id=2013/14;type=season

 

[Justcrazy]

Williamson should break all Kiwi batting records , if Kiwis play enough test Matches , he should get 12 K Test runs.

 

[Random Aussie]

[MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION] he did pretty well in Sheffield Shield last year tho averaging 54. Still got plenty of time to come good me thinks not a hopeless case.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...er.html?class=4;host=2;id=2013/14;type=season

I don't doubt he can dominate first class, that isn't an issue. The issue is he can't handle good bowlers at the level above.

Same as that guy who gets lots of first class wickets but can't buy one when he steps up a level.

 

[trogger]

Yeah i would back hughes to score plenty vs india this summer but would i back him to score runs in the uae or the ashes in england?

Hell no.

 

[Convict]

Hughes is a top player but has been over-coached into oblivion.

A walking wicket at the moment, but if the right people support him then the worm will turn.

Over coached in seniors but under coached at junior level.

His childhood coach should get tried for treason.

[MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION] he did pretty well in Sheffield Shield last year tho averaging 54. Still got plenty of time to come good me thinks not a hopeless case.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...er.html?class=4;host=2;id=2013/14;type=season

He has one last chance when Rogers retires.
Our stocks aren't good enough to not give him one last go.

I think we can bank on Silk making the grade but he's still a few years away.
Maddinson and that lot are rubbish

 

[Mamoon]

Rich man's Asad Shafiq.

 

[trogger]

I agree the lack of batting depth means hughes likely will get another shot in the next few years, he misses out the next time though and at best he's going to have to follow the hayden path and pile on the runs for 5+ years at the lower level before getting a last shot as a 30+ vet.

 

[Sandeep]

This guy is so good on the eye! Reminds me of the great Rahul Dravid in solidity... Great player for the future.. Will be New Zealand's next batting great after the great Martin Crowe and Stephen Fleming

 

[Ahson8]

Yes, how exactly is he supposed to succeed with no technique?

He may as well have no talent.

Ever heard of Shiv Chanderpaul or Fawad Alam?

On topic: KW is awesome. One of the best young batting prospects in the world right now let alone NZ & Aus.

 

[MarkCooper]

We taught him everything he knows at Yorkshire CCC.

 

[imback]

We taught him everything he knows at Yorkshire CCC.

How to chuck the ball too?

 

[SL_Fan]

I don't doubt he can dominate first class, that isn't an issue. The issue is he can't handle good bowlers at the level above.

Same as that guy who gets lots of first class wickets but can't buy one when he steps up a level.

Fair point. Only time will tell I guess.

 

[SL_Fan]

Over coached in seniors but under coached at junior level.

His childhood coach should get tried for treason.



He has one last chance when Rogers retires.
Our stocks aren't good enough to not give him one last go.

I think we can bank on Silk making the grade but he's still a few years away.
Maddinson and that lot are rubbish

The guy is only 25/26 so there's still time to turn things around. I just have a feeling that he'll do ok. But he should open imo.

 

[SL_Fan]

Add to that I don't think he's a no3.

 

[QasimAli]

Super talent! side point, NZ batting in ODI cricket as well just before a world cup looks GOOD!

 

[Firebreaker]

Australia are not giving chances to youngsters I hope they give it in Zim tour

 

[Convict]

The guy is only 25/26 so there's still time to turn things around. I just have a feeling that he'll do ok. But he should open imo.

I agree. I still think he'll take advantage of his last chance.

And the selectors quite clearly view him as Rogers heir so it will be as an opener

 

[Convict]

ustrl re not giving chances to youngsters I hope they give it in Zim tour

No Warner that tour so I guess Marsh, Finch and Hughes will all get chances to press their claims.

 

[Random Aussie]

We taught him everything he knows at Yorkshire CCC.

And did you ask him to come play for England?

 

[SL_Fan]

And did you ask him to come play for England?

Ouch! [MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION] strikes again )

 

[Firebreaker]

They need to give chances to players like Agar,Behrendorff,Turner etc

 

[SL_Fan]

I agree. I still think he'll take advantage of his last chance.

And the selectors quite clearly view him as Rogers heir so it will be as an opener

Yeah seems to me like a player who would do better with a bit of freedom opening the innings. Trying to play the anchor role at 3 not gonna work I don't think.

 

[Haz95]

Kane Williamson - the best batting prospect to come out of NZ & Australia in ...

He's a good batsman but I prefer Steven Smith to him.

 

[Batman_DB]

he is a class player

 

[leatherface58]

We taught him everything he knows at Yorkshire CCC.

I guess Moeen Ali taught him how to bowl with long sleeves.

 

[FreakCricket]

He's a good batsman but I prefer Steven Smith to him.

Steven smith is a hack with no technique, he will be exposed soon ! if you like smith better than kane williamson then my friend you have no idea of test cricket !

 

[Mamoon]

^ Steve Smith is quality.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Steven smith is a hack with no technique, he will be exposed soon ! if you like smith better than kane williamson then my friend you have no idea of test cricket !

You are misinformed.

 

[cricketindiafan]

In what way are David Warner and Steve Smith inferior to Williamson? Unless you rate a batsman who looks stylish higher than the one who score more runs.

And then there was a certain Ross Taylor as well not too long ago.

 

[zane_]

He's definitely one of the most improved players in recent memory. I will withhold my judgement on the rest.

 

[Haz95]

Steven smith is a hack with no technique, he will be exposed soon ! if you like smith better than kane williamson then my friend you have no idea of test cricket !

Lol you tell me which aussies can play spin better than him barring Clarke And watto- not to mention how he handled dale and co in their own home. Steve has better feats than Kane

 

[NZcricketfan]

like saving a test match saving century against South Africa and a match winning knock against the same opposition in a one day game? You just don't like New Zealand period and every post has the same tone.

 

[Chickenkorma]

Lol you tell me which aussies can play spin better than him barring Clarke And watto- not to mention how he handled dale and co in their own home. Steve has better feats than Kane

surely watto can't play spin as well as williamson.. average test player regardless ...

 

[Haz95]

Kane Williamson - the best batting prospect to come out of NZ & Australia in ...

surely watto can't play spin as well as williamson.. average test player regardless ...

I'm basing this on hearsays to be fair- in LOis he's been quite useful overseas. From what I've seen Smith and Clarke are the only two properly good spin playing test batsmen

And [MENTION=68271]NZcricketfan[/MENTION] are you talking about me??

 

[Mamoon]

Few players can take spinners to the cleaners like Watson, but he's not half as assured when it comes to playing them out.

 

[Haz95]

Few players can take spinners to the cleaners like Watson, but he's not half as assured when it comes to playing them out.

Yeh this is what I meant which is why I said watto is good in LOIs- tests not so much

 

[Buffet]

Steven smith is a hack with no technique, he will be exposed soon ! if you like smith better than kane williamson then my friend you have no idea of test cricket !

I liked how Smith batted in India and then in England. It showed that he had potential. Then he carried on to bat well in Aus and SA. He not a hack at all. He has a good technique to play on bouncy surface and he plays spin reasonably well.

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I like Williamson. He has a good defense and also has a range of shots. He was identified as great potential early in his career and hopefully he will get even better with time.

 

[Haz95]

I liked how Smith batted in India and then in England. It showed that he had potential. Then he carried on to bat well in Aus and SA. He not a hack at all. He has a good technique to play on bouncy surface and he plays spin reasonably well.

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I like Williamson. He has a good defense and also has a range of shots. He was identified as great potential early in his career and hopefully he will get even better with time.

difference is that one is a capable 50 averager while the other is a 40 averager. Smith has the potential to be a very very notable batsman...as his feats are very impressive

 

[Aman]

difference is that one is a capable 50 averager while the other is a 40 averager. Smith has the potential to be a very very notable batsman...as his feats are very impressive

lol comparing the averages of a number 3 batsmen and a 5/6. No Smith will definitely not finish with an average of 50+ you don't have to be a genius or fortune teller to know that.

You need to remember he's a lower batsmen while Williamson bats at 3.

If Smith batted at three do you really think he'd be averaging 40+?

My best guess is he'd be a high 20's or low 30's at number 3.

 

[Random Aussie]

lol comparing the averages of a number 3 batsmen and a 5/6. No Smith will definitely not finish with an average of 50+ you don't have to be a genius or fortune teller to know that.

You need to remember he's a lower batsmen while Williamson bats at 3.

If Smith batted at three do you really think he'd be averaging 40+?

My best guess is he'd be a high 20's or low 30's at number 3.

In New Zealand cricket terms, Williamson bats at 8.

 

[Aman]

In New Zealand cricket terms, Williamson bats at 8.

If that's supposed to be a joke/insult it fell way flat considering the context.

 

[Gilly]

Don't think Williamson is the best to come out of Australia in the last few years, he only averages 18 in Australia.

 

[Aman]

Oh the bitterness from the Aussies is so sweet

Don't worry, you guys still have Hughes.

 

[Gilly]

Oh the bitterness from the Aussies is so sweet

Don't worry, you guys still have Hughes.

Bitter about what, averages 18 in Australia 20 in England and 10 in South Africa. You would have to be a Kiwi to get excited about that.

 

[Aman]

Bitter about what, averages 18 in Australia 20 in England and 10 in South Africa. You would have to be a Kiwi to get excited about that.

He's only played 1 series in Aus and SA (2 Tests a piece, not fortunate as some to get 3 per series), expect those numbers to go up next time around.

Numbers from Williamsons last tour to Aus.

 

[vandokkum]

Williamson till this test match averaged less than Steve Smith, now they both average 40. He still averages significantly less than David Warner's 46 who is an opener and has a strike rate above 70, Williamson is quality no doubt but trust a Kiwi to come up with hyperbolic statements about decent cricketers.

 

[Aman]

Williamson till this test match averaged less than Steve Smith, now they both average 40. He still averages significantly less than David Warner's 46 who is an opener and has a strike rate above 70, Williamson is quality no doubt but trust a Kiwi to come up with hyperbolic statements about decent cricketers.

Hyperbolic statement when you only name one cricketer

 

[Convict]

Oh the bitterness from the Aussies is so sweet

Don't worry, you guys still have Hughes.

Bitterness?

We just won the Ashes 5-0 and beat South Africa 2-1.

What exactly have we got to be bitter about?

 

[Gilly]

He's only played 1 series in Aus and SA (2 Tests a piece, not fortunate as some to get 3 per series), expect those numbers to go up next time around.

And he failed both times, If he does do good next time then that will be the time for you to start a thread on how good he is.

 

[vandokkum]

Hyperbolic statement when you only name one cricketer

The way your question is phrased makes the choices extremely limited, why choose Australia and NZ only? Why only last few years? Considering the Aussies have their worst batting lineup possibly of all time and less said about NZ the better, taking all that into account , Williamson is still not the best. What's next, Is Mark Craig the best spinner from NZ and Australia after Nathan lyon ?

 

[Aman]

Bitterness?

We just won the Ashes 5-0 and beat South Africa 2-1.

What exactly have we got to be bitter about?

You tell me, that's just the vibe a few Aussies are giving off.

 

[vandokkum]

No hate, Williamson does look a quality player

 

[Convict]

The way your question is phrased makes the choices extremely limited, why choose Australia and NZ only? Why only last few years? Considering the Aussies have their worst batting lineup possibly of all time and less said about NZ the better, taking all that into account , Williamson is still not the best. What's next, Is Mark Craig the best spinner from NZ and Australia after Nathan lyon ?

Dale Steyn is the best bowling prospect to emerge out of the southern hemisphere since Glenn McGrath

 

[Gilly]

Aman was trolling.

 

[vandokkum]

Dale Steyn is the best bowling prospect to emerge out of the southern hemisphere since Glenn McGrath

Ishant Sharma the best Asian bowler above 6 foot 5 (min 100 wickets) ?

 

[Aman]

The way your question is phrased makes the choices extremely limited, why choose Australia and NZ only? Why only last few years? Considering the Aussies have their worst batting lineup possibly of all time and less said about NZ the better, taking all that into account , Williamson is still not the best. What's next, Is Mark Craig the best spinner from NZ and Australia after Nathan lyon ?

Both teams are from Australasia, you could do the same for Pakistan, India and SL with Asia. Who else can you compare with NZ?..

 

[Gilly]

You tell me, that's just the vibe a few Aussies are giving off.

Actually its you that is calling the aussies bitter, the only vibes I get is that you wish the kiwis could compete with the aussies.

 

[Gilly]

Dave Warner is the most talented batsman from Aus and NZ to punch Root.

 

[Aman]

Williamson the most talented played to come out of NZ and Pakistan in years. Makes sense right?

 

[Gilly]

Williamson the most talented played to come out of NZ and Pakistan in years. Makes sense right?

About as much sense as the thread title.

 

[Aman]

About as much sense as the thread title.

Who exactly would you group NZ with?

 

[vandokkum]

Ab de villiers, best cricketer from SA and Kenya after Thomas odoyo?

 

[Gilly]

Who exactly would you group NZ with?

Why do you need to group NZ, Williamson plays for only NZ. I don't recall people saying Warner is the best opener to come out of Aus and NZ over the last couple of years.

 

[Convict]

Mitchell Johnson best current test bowler from the Indo-Australian tectonic plate

 

[Gilly]

Mitchell Johnson best current test bowler from the Indo-Australian tectonic plate

Is that with or without a tache.

 

[Aman]

Why do you need to group NZ, Williamson plays for only NZ. I don't recall people saying Warner is the best opener to come out of Aus and NZ over the last couple of years.

Williamson is the best prospect to come out of NZ in years - that's undebatable.

 

[NZcricketfan]

Steven Smith with that amazing one day average of 21. If we are going to pick apart peoples records at least be consistent.

 

[Gilly]

Mitchell Johnson best current test bowler from the Indo-Australian tectonic plate

Is that with or without a tache.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] how many times have you referred to NZ being just another state of Aus (it isn't), I recall you quoting some document earlier. At least try to be consistent.

There's a clear link between the countries, as much as we'd both like to dismiss it.