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Kane Williamson's bowling action found to be legal [Update Post #169]

LethalSami said:
McGrath and Kapil Dev were also chuckers.....i saw them wear sleeves sometimes.

see i can play that game too :ajmal

and O yeah, prove that everybody else bowls with 0 degrees straightening. (since some of you want players with ANY straightening banned....this will mean that all bowlers past and present were chuckers AND should be/been BANNED) :murali
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Yes because it is the responsibility of bowlers who dont obviously chuck to prove they arent chuckers. So this is where this immensely stupid debate has ended up, where bowlers who clearly THROW THE BALL are presumed to be innocent of chucking and bowlers who clearly dont throw the ball are suspected of chucking.

The worst rule ever brought into cricket, by a long way.
 
Doubts over Kane Williamson's bowling action?

Kane Williamson was blatantly chucking yesterday. It was obvious and non-stop, yet nobody called him out on it.
 
It only looks like he was chucking, just because someone looks like they are chucking does not mean they are chucking.
 
he is a part timer and not very threatening, thus doesn't draw much attention.
 
surprising some people here are accusing him of chucking while defending others asian players
 
On a serious note. This dude is a part timer. So I don't mind if ICC bans him from bowling.
 
Of all the people, I thought Pakistani's would know how it feels like to be labeled something without proof :mv
 
zane_ said:
Isn't Kyle Mills a chucker too?
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Williamson and Mills will be called under the old rule but are legal today. BTW there is no real means of measuring the angles anyway real time. They are chuckers IMO. I guess Aus and Eng are the only teams whose administration completely discourages chucking among their domestic players. Even that may change with Lehmann supposedly more open to the new status quo.
 
Gilly said:
It only looks like he was chucking, just because someone looks like they are chucking does not mean they are chucking.
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This is correct. You can throw the ball all you want, but nobody can say its chucking until a lab says so.

I am now dubious whether our fielders throw the ball to the keeper or bowl, since I know my eyes can't tell.
 
Fire Bird said:
I guess Aus and Eng are the only teams whose administration completely discourages chucking among their domestic players. Even that may change with Lehmann supposedly more open to the new status quo.
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With or without chucking they've always brought over mediocre spinners overall, aside from Swann and Panesar on the last tour.
 
Clearly a chucker, don't sell me the optical illusion nonsense because I am not buying it.

I will call a chucker when I see one. If you need lab testing and biomechanics to prove that you chuck, it's very negligible.
 
Mamoon said:
Clearly a chucker, don't sell me the optical illusion nonsense because I am not buying it.

I will call a chucker when I see one. If you need lab testing and biomechanics to prove that you chuck, it's very negligible.
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McGrath chucked too, I bet you would have never called that.

So much for your eyes.
 
He didn't chuck enough for the naked eye to see it or for the umpires to call him out.
 
Which is my point again, you cannot put him in the same boat as the other blatant chuckers. World of difference.
 
Varun said:
With or without chucking they've always brought over mediocre spinners overall, aside from Swann and Panesar on the last tour.
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Thats irrelevant. They have a process to discourage chucking at the domestic level. Other countries should follow their lead and not the other way around. Sometimes I wish the BCCI didnt side with :murali on the chuckgate in the last decade. I see Bedi as an old geezer but he is right IMO as far as chucking is concerned.
 
Fire Bird said:
I see Bedi as an old geezer but he is right IMO as far as chucking is concerned.
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But Bedi calls everyone a chucker. Even a poor sod like Hauritz wasn't spared when he came over in 2004 and 2010.
 
Aman said:
McGrath chucked too, I bet you would have never called that.

So much for your eyes.
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Hacing a wrist action is not the same as chucking. Mills clearly straightened the arm which was illegal. Mcgrath released the ball without much deviation in the elbow joint.
 
Varun said:
But Bedi calls everyone a chucker. Even a poor sod like Hauritz wasn't spared when he came over in 2004 and 2010.
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Yeah probably Bedi over does it but he was right about Murali, Ojha, and Harbhajan. He called them javelin throwers. :))
 
Fire Bird said:
Hacing a wrist action is not the same as chucking. Mills clearly straightened the arm which was illegal. Mcgrath released the ball without much deviation in the elbow joint.
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Yep, it's illegal that's why he's never been reported for it..

If he chucks, he'll be caught but until then it's pathetic to make accusations against him without any actual proof.

And yes I know Williamson's action is dodgy, but I don't come out making silly threads about it without the actual proof to support it.
 
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Random Aussie said:
This is correct. You can throw the ball all you want, but nobody can say its chucking until a lab says so.

I am now dubious whether our fielders throw the ball to the keeper or bowl, since I know my eyes can't tell.
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Chucking is defined in cricket so of course it will have to be tested to see if it's within the limits.

As you've said many times before... chucking is legal.
 
Aman said:
Yep, it's illegal that's why he's never been reported for it..

If he chucks, he'll be caught but until then it's pathetic to make accusations against him without any actual proof.

And yes I know Williamson's action is dodgy, but I don't come out making silly threads about it without the actual proof to support it.
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If you noticed I said it WAS illegal. It is not anymore due to the new rules hence he wasnt called. My point is what is legal does not satisfy what is right these days. Williamson along with plenty of other spinners these days look dodgy. I think this thread is a manifestation of what everybody knows to be true on some level.
 
Williamson and Marlon Samuels have the same chuck when they're trying a quicker delivery. It seems many part-timers are doing this. They will come in for a few overs, chuck a few, get a wicket if they're lucky. Then disappear.
 
Aman said:
Of all the people, I thought Pakistani's would know how it feels like to be labeled something without proof :mv
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Funny that. Seeing as Ajmal has been called for chucking, cleared and yet he still gets called a chucker. Williamson has a kink but hay no-one can say otherwise because we support Pakistan?

Weird logic that!
 
Didn't notice live, don't watch the part timers closely, but looked on my Sky+ recording and he is chucking the ball.
 
Its incredibly blatant and what's worse is that he's mediocre and he doesn't even have a mystery ball so bending his arm is more or less useless.
 

Found this video, I also think he is chucking, his elbow is way to much bent.
Either its an optical illusion or the umpires are seriously missing something.
 
leatherface58 said:
He ain't a bowler. :facepalm: A mere part-timer.
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does it matter if he's a part time or nah? He chucks, end of. Since he isn't ripping through line ups, he's not being reported :ajmal. Hell even Samuels got reported and Samuels is 'A :facepalm: mere part-timer'
 
Not as bent as [MENTION=131138]Space Cat[/MENTION] tho.
 
I read somewhere, the chucking rule is that the bowler shoud not straighten their elbow by more than 15 degrees during delivery stride,
So if keeps his elbow bent throughout the duration, its still legal, its seems.
 
Kane Williamson reported for suspect bowling action - Cleared

New Zealand off-spinner Kane Williamson has been reported with a suspected illegal bowling action during the second cricket Test against the West Indies, which concluded in Port of Spain on Friday.

Williamson was reported at the end of the match by umpires Ian Gould, Richard Illingworth and Rod Tucker, all from the Emirates Elite Panel of ICC Umpires, as well as Chris Broad of the Emirates Elite Panel of ICC Match Referees.

Mr Broad handed over the copy of the report to the New Zealand team manager on Friday.

The umpires’ report cited concerns over a number of deliveries that they considered to be suspect and believed that his action needed to be tested.

Williamson’s bowling action will now be scrutinised further under the ICC process relating to bowlers reported in Tests, ODIs and T20Is. The off-spinner is required to undergo testing within 21 days, and, during this period, he is permitted to continue bowling in international cricket until the results of the testing are known.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/news/201...reported-for-suspected-illegal-bowling-action
 
He is a chucker definitely, but should be allowed to chuck like the other bowlers. Bad news for the people who think this is a conspiracy against the non whites.
 
Another kiwi bites the dust. :yk

On a serious note, we shouldnt call him a chucker until proven. That is unfair.
 
What took them so long? From what I've heard (not seen) he's had a "suspicious" action for some time.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a chucker definitely, but should be allowed to chuck like the other bowlers. Bad news for the people who think this is a conspiracy against the non whites.
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Ill informed people equating bent arms to chucking again.

:facepalm:
 
I would be really surprised if Williamson is indeed a chucker. i don't see much of a jerk in his arm... would be well under 15 imo
 
Kane Williamson plays for Yorkshire!!!!!

He is not a chucker! We don't field teams with cheaters in them.

This is clearly just a personal attack by the umpires for some reason but we will get to the bottom of this.
 
MarkCooper said:
Kane Williamson plays for Yorkshire!!!!!

He is not a chucker! We don't field teams with cheaters in them.

This is clearly just a personal attack by the umpires for some reason but we will get to the bottom of this.
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Didn't Ajmal Shahzad cheat and get reprimanded for damaging the pitch in 2011?
 
Williamson is a massive chucker.

It's good to see him reported.

And for the conspiracy theorists out there he was reported after playing against the West Indies (not Australia or England)
 
Chickenkorma said:
Ill informed people equating bent arms to chucking again.

:facepalm:
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If you can't bowl with a straight arm, you shouldn't bowl.

If you have some natural deformity which prevents you from straightening your arm, you still shouldn't bowl.
 
At this rate, one day, these apologists will defend underarm bowlers too.
 
Kane Williamson's great grandfather was Asian, he doesn't count as white, the WI are conspiring along with Australia and England. His left wrist is deformed due to overuse, he is medically allowed to chuck.
 
Surely Kane has a grandmother from the subcontinent? I thought only Asian cricketers got reported for chucking, due to the global conspiracy spearheaded by the ECB... wait a minute so Kane got reported during a match versus West Indies? This thing whole make sense does not.
 
Mamoon said:
If you can't bowl with a straight arm, you shouldn't bowl.

If you have some natural deformity which prevents you from straightening your arm, you still shouldn't bowl.
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How many cricketers actually bowl with a straight arm? What number did the ICC use? 1%?

Alright then, go ahead and ban the McGraths and the Waqars and the Wasims and the Pollocks and most other legends too ...
 
Chickenkorma said:
How many cricketers actually bowl with a straight arm? What number did the ICC use? 1%?

Alright then, go ahead and ban the McGraths and the Waqars and the Wasims and the Pollocks and most other legends too ...
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If you need lab testing to prove that you are chucking, its very negligible.
 
He'll still be called a chucker if cleared.

Oh well, it will be good to see the hypocrites out in force :ajmal
 
Btw McGrath was thought to have hyper extension by some author - without the use of technology. Most pundits, however, would agree that McGrath has the cleanest and most orthodox action and not many would catch it. Use of the naked eye leaves for subjectivity and unfairness.
 
Chickenkorma said:
Btw McGrath was thought to have hyper extension by some author - without the use of technology. Most pundits, however, would agree that McGrath has the cleanest and most orthodox action and not many would catch it. Use of the naked eye leaves for subjectivity and unfairness.
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There needs to be consistency, once a bowler has been cleared his action shouldn't be questioned by the public again as they've already been proven wrong by technology.
 
Its an optical illusion.

If you close your eyes he is bowling with a straight arm. Trust me.
 
Kane Williamson thread somehow is turned into a Ajmal/fans bashing thread. Surprised by some comments on here.

Idiotic to think no-one can have a view if they've supported Ajmal in this thread or other like it as it dilutes their views.
 
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Aman said:
There needs to be consistency, once a bowler has been cleared his action shouldn't be questioned by the public again as they've already been proven wrong by technology.
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exactly. but as you can see, these people lack the intellectual capacity to even get past the fact that straightening and bent are different terms all together. :facepalm:
 
There needs to be consistency, once a bowler has been cleared his action shouldn't be questioned by the public again as they've already been proven wrong by technology.

Not true.
 
Sky just put an interesting split screen up - showing Kane's action after remodeling and before.


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