Kapil Dev puts money on India in CT 2017 clash against Pakistan

[Waseem]

Kapil Dev, whose wax statue was launched in New Delhi, believes that india have a better team than Pakistan on paper, but they cannot afford to be complacent when the two sides meet in the Champions Trophy 2017.
As always, almost every eye in the subcontinent will be glued to the television sets when India open their ICC Champions Trophy campaign against Pakistan at Edgbaston, Birmingham, on June 4.

Keeping in mind its high profile, the International Cricket Council (ICC) has also scheduled the match on a Sunday.

Though India have had the upper hand in World Cups (20 and 50 overs), having beaten Pakistan every time in the 11 matches they have met, the Champions Trophy has been a different story.

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Pakistan lead India 2-1 in head-to-head in the 50-over showpiece event with the first two games going in their favour.

The first time the two teams met in the Champions Trophy was in 2004 when India lost by three wickets in the group phase, in a match that was also played at Edgbaston. Five years down the line, Pakistan again catapulted to victory by defeating India by 54 runs at SuperSport Park in Centurion.

However, Mahendra Singh Dhoni-led side came out on top the last time around when India beat their arch rivals by eight wickets at Edgbaston in what was a rain curtailed game.

On being queried by HT on how the June 4 game will turn out to be, India’s 1983 World Cup-winning captain Kapil Dev, who was unveiling his own Madame Tussauds wax statue, said, “Whichever team plays well on that given day will win. However, India look far better on paper.”

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The excitement around the game is also high because of the bare minimum sporting relations between the two nations.

Asked about the same, the former all-rounder said, “We should leave it to the government and not talk about all this. Sports persons want to play but the government policy comes first. Whatever the government policy is, we should respect that.”

http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...st-pakistan/story-dFRi9ziVijNwGheXYZHgdM.html

 

[Pollack]

Betting is illegal.

 

[Napa]

I think the 1985 "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF CRICKET" should also be counted as a CT. It was organized by ICC and had also had only the top teams participating.

India was spectacular in this tournament, I have never seen such a dominant performance by another team in an ICC tournament. India also beat Pakistan twice.

 

[Syed1]

Wow Kapil Ji really put his neck on the line with that left-field prediction.

 

[Syed1]

I think the 1985 "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF CRICKET" should also be counted as a CT. It was organized by ICC and had also had only the top teams participating.

India was spectacular in this tournament, I have never seen such a dominant performance by another team in an ICC tournament. India also beat Pakistan twice.

Ok Sharjah Cups should also be declared as CT. It is also arranged by ICC and Pakistan dished out massive amounts of phainti to India in them.



See the fallacy of your logic?

 

[Hamza_]

Anyone would bet for India's win. That's an obvious considering the recent matches between two sides and Pakistan's poor show in limited overs.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Ok Sharjah Cups should also be declared as CT. It is also arranged by ICC and Pakistan dished out massive amounts of phainti to India in them.



See the fallacy of your logic?

How are you seeing fallacy in his logic when you don't even get it? Check the number of teams participating in each of those tournaments, compare the format, and maybe you will get his logic.

 

[Syed1]

How are you seeing fallacy in his logic when you don't even get it? Check the number of teams participating in each of those tournaments, compare the format, and maybe you will get his logic.

The only difference is the Sharjah Cups had 4 teams generally while the World Championship had 7 teams. Both tournaments were in ODI format so that lame argument of yours goes out the window. What is the cut off then? 7 teams is world tournament but 4 teams isn't? Will 5 teams be world tournament? What about 6?

 

[Napa]

Ok Sharjah Cups should also be declared as CT. It is also arranged by ICC and Pakistan dished out massive amounts of phainti to India in them.

See the fallacy of your logic?

You can't be serious. 1985 featured every one of the top 7 teams, the Sharjah Cup was more almost a bilateral plagued by match fixing.

 

[Zak_Fan]

The only difference is the Sharjah Cups had 4 teams generally while the World Championship had 7 teams. Both tournaments were in ODI format so that lame argument of yours goes out the window. What is the cut off then? 7 teams is world tournament but 4 teams isn't? Will 5 teams be world tournament? What about 6?

Yes. All the major teams participating made it a World Tournament, something that shouldn't have confused you given it was called "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF CRICKET".

Also, Sharjah Cup was primarily a tri-series that happened every second year. You would call it a world event?

 

[IMMY69]

Yes. All the major teams participating made it a World Tournament, something that shouldn't have confused you given it was called "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF CRICKET".

Also, Sharjah Cup was primarily a tri-series that happened every second year. You would call it a world event?

Nehru Cup.

 

[IMMY69]

How are you seeing fallacy in his logic when you don't even get it? Check the number of teams participating in each of those tournaments, compare the format, and maybe you will get his logic.

Nehru Cup

 

[Global Insight]

and here I thought Kapil was a long-time Pakistani supporter

 

[Asif321]

obviously india are favourtis but lets hope pakistan wins will be huge boost

 

[IMMY69]

Also, plenty of tri nation tournies in Sharjah whihch Pakistan inevitable won including the Australasia Cup which also featured Australia.

This is a funny one though. India batted 50 overs for 160 off with only 6 wickets down

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65776.html

 

[Mainul]

Ok Sharjah Cups should also be declared as CT. It is also arranged by ICC and Pakistan dished out massive amounts of phainti to India in them.



See the fallacy of your logic?

Benson and Hedges world championship cup was played between 7 available test playing teams at that time (Zimbabwe and Bangladesh were not test playing nations at that time) and was played in Australia,a test playing nation.So [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] has a good logic.It can be regarded as an ICC tournament.

Whereas Sharjah cup was used to be played between only 3 teams and Pakistan was a common team.It was played in Sharjah,UAE is not a test playing side, even they were not a proper cricket playing nation at that time.It was a recognized tournament by ICC but there is no point in comparing this very light weight tournament with a heavy weight tournament like world championship.

 

[Napa]

Also, plenty of tri nation tournies in Sharjah whihch Pakistan inevitable won including the Australasia Cup which also featured Australia.

This is a funny one though. India batted 50 overs for 160 off with only 6 wickets down

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65776.html

Ah, those glorious days when India had a match fixer as captain.

 

[IMMY69]

Ah, those glorious days when India had a match fixer as captain.

and the Nehru Cup?

 

[IMMY69]

Ah, those glorious days when India had a match fixer as captain.

Well the convicted fixers only made 0 and 1 off of few deliveries...
So are you implying that the likes of Ganguly and Dravid were in on it?

 

[troodon]

Wonder if Kapil looked at Indian Geriatric squad.

 

[Napa]

Also, plenty of tri nation tournies in Sharjah whihch Pakistan inevitable won including the Australasia Cup which also featured Australia.

This is a funny one though. India batted 50 overs for 160 off with only 6 wickets down

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65776.html

I would never question the honor of men like Ganguly and Dravid.

Ah, those glorious days when India had a match fixer as captain.

 

[Slog]

I think the 1985 "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF CRICKET" should also be counted as a CT. It was organized by ICC and had also had only the top teams participating.

India was spectacular in this tournament, I have never seen such a dominant performance by another team in an ICC tournament. India also beat Pakistan twice.

how old are you?

And aus in 2003 or 2007?

 

[ExplicitAI]

Pak weren't going to win this game anyways. Their ODI squad is too poor, just keep on recycling the same old players over and over again.

 

[IMMY69]

I would never question the honor of men like Ganguly and Dravid.

Ah, those glorious days when India had a match fixer as captain.

So then they were just completely outplayed by Pakistan...
Must have been some dominance as they couldn't even get to 170 or where they just weak hearted players who gave up mid innings? I mean to finish with 160 odd with 4 wickets remaining is inexplicable.

 

[Adil_94]

Maybe he can give these revolutionary predictions to his bookie friends that he used to frequent in his coaching days.

 

[spade]

Should be easy peasy for india against a fainthearted pakistani outfit.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

India are going to treat Pakistan like Nepal, seriously on paper India are 200 times stronger in all departments. I have a feeling India are going to score 500 and get Pakistan all out for 80 or 60 runs. Only hope for Pakistan is rain

 

[troodon]

India are going to treat Pakistan like Nepal, seriously on paper India are 200 times stronger in all departments. I have a feeling India are going to score 500 and get Pakistan all out for 80 or 60 runs. Only hope for Pakistan is rain

Vastly overrating Indian team.

Rohit and Dhawan are so badly out of form that they would make Jadeja look like a proper bat.
Kohli again out of Form.
Rahane in ODI squad is a joke.
MSD and Yuvi were past it since 2013.

This is a joke batting lineup.

In Form players like Raina/Pant/Iyer are left out for oldies who are still playing on their reputation.

If India bats first and somehow manages 250, they will win. Indian bowling attack is one of the best out there.

 

[MenInG]

Should be easy peasy for india against a fainthearted pakistani outfit.

But its for Pakistan to defy the odds

 

[JibranAnsari]

Azhar will carry the bat 87*(161)

 

[Napa]

how old are you?

And aus in 2003 or 2007?

As my time machine wasn't working, I was alive for both 2003 and 2007 after having watched 1985.

This is the most dominant performance in tournament EVER. India got every team it played all out except for Pakistan in the final (who would also have been all out if the umpire not erred or Imran done the honorable thing and walked). Neither Australia 2003 or 2007 were able to do that. In fact Australia 2003 came close to losing their game against England, winning with only 2 balls left.

India won every one of its games while chasing by at least 6 wkts and 17 balls remaining. While defending India won by 86 runs. They destroyed every team they played, no exceptions.

India's performance in 1985 has to be seen to be believed:

1) India won by 6 wickets (with 25 balls remaining)
Pakistan 183 (49.2/50 ov); India 184/4 (45.5/50 ov)

2) India won by 86 runs
India 235/9 (50/50 ov); England 149 (41.4/50 ov)

3) India won by 8 wickets (with 83 balls remaining)
Australia 163 (49.3/50 ov); India 165/2 (36.1/50 ov)

4) India won by 7 wickets (with 39 balls remaining)
New Zealand 206 (50/50 ov); India 207/3 (43.3/50 ov)

5) India won by 8 wickets (with 17 balls remaining)
Pakistan 176/9 (50/50 ov); India 177/2 (47.1/50 ov)

 

[zulfiqar]

This should also be counted as a Champions Trophy:

AUSTRALASIA CUP

1st Match: India v New Zealand at Sharjah - Apr 10, 1986
New Zealand 132/8 (44/44 ov); India 134/7 (41.4/44 ov)
India won by 3 wickets (with 14 balls remaining)

2nd Match: Australia v Pakistan at Sharjah - Apr 11, 1986
Australia 202/7 (50/50 ov); Pakistan 206/2 (49.1/50 ov)
Pakistan won by 8 wickets (with 5 balls remaining)

1st SF: India v Sri Lanka at Sharjah - Apr 13, 1986
Sri Lanka 205/9 (50/50 ov); India 206/7 (49.1/50 ov)
India won by 3 wickets (with 5 balls

2nd SF: New Zealand v Pakistan at Sharjah - Apr 15, 1986
New Zealand 64 (35.5/50 ov); Pakistan 66/0 (22.4/50 ov)
Pakistan won by 10 wickets (with 164 balls remaining)

Final: India v Pakistan at Sharjah - Apr 18, 1986
India 245/7 (50/50 ov); Pakistan 248/9 (50/50 ov)
Pakistan won by 1 wicket (with 0 balls remaining)

 

[IMMY69]

As my time machine wasn't working, I was alive for both 2003 and 2007 after having watched 1985.

This is the most dominant performance in tournament EVER. India got every team it played all out except for Pakistan in the final (who would also have been all out if the umpire not erred or Imran done the honorable thing and walked). Neither Australia 2003 or 2007 were able to do that. In fact Australia 2003 came close to losing their game against England, winning with only 2 balls left.

India won every one of its games while chasing by at least 6 wkts and 17 balls remaining. While defending India won by 86 runs. They destroyed every team they played, no exceptions.

India's performance in 1985 has to be seen to be believed:

1) India won by 6 wickets (with 25 balls remaining)
Pakistan 183 (49.2/50 ov); India 184/4 (45.5/50 ov)

2) India won by 86 runs
India 235/9 (50/50 ov); England 149 (41.4/50 ov)

3) India won by 8 wickets (with 83 balls remaining)
Australia 163 (49.3/50 ov); India 165/2 (36.1/50 ov)

4) India won by 7 wickets (with 39 balls remaining)
New Zealand 206 (50/50 ov); India 207/3 (43.3/50 ov)

5) India won by 8 wickets (with 17 balls remaining)
Pakistan 176/9 (50/50 ov); India 177/2 (47.1/50 ov)

Except that the Windies were the dominant team of the 80's, Aussies were poor and England were average.

Nehru Cup

 

[Napa]

Except that the Windies were the dominant team of the 80's, Aussies were poor and England were average.

Australia and England were the 1987 WC finalists.

Nehru Cup

Nehru what?

 

[big_gamer007]

Stop jinxing us

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Stop jinxing us

lol bro whats there to jinx?
if someone ask you who gonna win the match between ireland vs Australia ? obv aussie. and no aussie fan would say oh! don't jinx us.
no im not saying ireland = pak
but you never know looking at current state of pk.

 

[big_gamer007]

lol bro whats there to jinx?
if someone ask you who gonna win the match between ireland vs Australia ? obv aussie. and no aussie fan would say oh! don't jinx us.
no im not saying ireland = pak
but you never know looking at current state of pk.

Lol bro I have grown up in a superstitious home we used to tie knots, cross our fingers, sit in same position throughout India v Pakistan matches.. So I find all this talk jinxing not in India pakistan matches in any other match i could care less lol

 

[ExplicitAI]

Lol bro I have grown up in a superstitious home we used to tie knots, cross our fingers, sit in same position throughout India v Pakistan matches.. So I find all this talk jinxing not in India pakistan matches in any other match i could care less lol

I grew up watching cricket in 2011 and believe me India was the strongest team I felt that Pak has played out of everyone. I can't remember the last time we won a game against them. Already feel like we lost the game to India anyways, I've pretty much given up on Pak vs Ind games.

 

[big_gamer007]

I grew up watching cricket in 2011 and believe me India was the strongest team I felt that Pak has played out of everyone. I can't remember the last time we won a game against them. Already feel like we lost the game to India anyways, I've pretty much given up on Pak vs Ind games.

Ahh yea well during that period Pakistan team weren't the best you did win a series though when Junaid Khan performed well right? So in India v Pakistan matches anything can happen but your current team looks very very very weak..

 

[Arsalan Pro]

He will lose his money now.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Ahh yea well during that period Pakistan team weren't the best you did win a series though when Junaid Khan performed well right? So in India v Pakistan matches anything can happen but your current team looks very very very weak..

I mean we were close to beating you guys in Mohali 2011 semis but then again we haven't done well at all in the T20 WC's especially. We do have a new captain this time around but I wonder if he'll bring about a change?

 

[PakLFC]

India starts as favourites, no doubt about it. They have the class and ability to bat Pak out of the contest in the first innings.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

That is India's game. I would be glad if we manage to win a single game. may be against SL.

My only pray is we win all the tosses and bat first. If we bat second then i do not think we will even manage 110.

 

[English August]

I think the 1985 "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF CRICKET" should also be counted as a CT. It was organized by ICC and had also had only the top teams participating.

India was spectacular in this tournament, I have never seen such a dominant performance by another team in an ICC tournament. India also beat Pakistan twice.

Er, no. It wasn't organized by the ICC. It was organized by the Australian Cricket Board (CA was called ACB back then) to celebrate 150 years of one of their state associations (I think Victoria -- not 100% sure).

In fact even the WCs were not organized by ICC back then. First 3 WCs were organized by ECB (called TCCB then), 4th by India and Pak jointly and 5th by Aus and NZ jointly. Only after Dalmiya became the head of ICC, it started owning tournaments like WC and CT.

 

[English August]

When did Indian greats catch the Pakistani decease of shooting their mouths off before the teams play? Normally the Indian players, current and past, are a lot more sensible than this.

 

[Belawal2014]

Should be a walk in the park for India.

 

[Sadevdesai]

Too much Chest Thumping by both sides Before the game .... the Usual !!!!

 

[Napa]

Er, no. It wasn't organized by the ICC. It was organized by the Australian Cricket Board (CA was called ACB back then) to celebrate 150 years of one of their state associations (I think Victoria -- not 100% sure).

In fact even the WCs were not organized by ICC back then. First 3 WCs were organized by ECB (called TCCB then), 4th by India and Pak jointly and 5th by Aus and NZ jointly. Only after Dalmiya became the head of ICC, it started owning tournaments like WC and CT.

Your knowledge of cricket trivia is impressive, I stand corrected!

 

[Napa]

I mean we were close to beating you guys in Mohali 2011 semis but then again we haven't done well at all in the T20 WC's especially. We do have a new captain this time around but I wonder if he'll bring about a change?

You are right, 2011 was a close game that Pakistan could have won, especially if they held on to one of the multiple Tendulkar dropped catches. Since then however the Indian players have become increasingly professional thanks to IPL. Always hard to beat true professionals.

 

[The_Odd_One]

India is going to win CT game. Shehzad, Azhar, and Hafeez in top 4 is a disaster.

 

[MoJoJoJo]

We will win this time I.A..

 

[IamIndian]

Ok Sharjah Cups should also be declared as CT. It is also arranged by ICC and Pakistan dished out massive amounts of phainti to India in them.



See the fallacy of your logic?

3 Consecutive LBW decisions against India.. Sharjah matches were famous for dubious umpiring decisions (in favor of Pakistan of course.. ).

 

[IamIndian]

3 Consecutive LBW decisions against India.. Sharjah matches were famous for dubious umpiring decisions (in favor of Pakistan of course.. ).

Hat-trick of LBW decisions...

 

[ExplicitAI]

You are right, 2011 was a close game that Pakistan could have won, especially if they held on to one of the multiple Tendulkar dropped catches. Since then however the Indian players have become increasingly professional thanks to IPL. Always hard to beat true professionals.

Yeah and I believe that Pak's management isn't the best there is so that's one reason as to why we haven't been winning as much. I think the PSL is going to do us good to get to India's level as how IPL has helped them, don't really see much of a difference between the two leagues except that IPL is the "better" league and obviously the best in the world.

 

[joly]

India has been stronger on paper since 1999, however this CT all o the Indian batters are out of form, need a miracle of sorts

 

[Napa]

Yeah and I believe that Pak's management isn't the best there is so that's one reason as to why we haven't been winning as much. I think the PSL is going to do us good to get to India's level as how IPL has helped them, don't really see much of a difference between the two leagues except that IPL is the "better" league and obviously the best in the world.

Yes, PSL doesn't have to have IPL's amount of money to be successful. It can have a very positive impact of professionalism in Pakistani cricket if it rewards effort by cricketers to become better and also provides a reasonable income.

 

[Pollack]

India has been stronger on paper since 1999, however this CT all o the Indian batters are out of form, need a miracle of sorts

Shikhar and Kedar are not out of form. Only Rohit and Rahane are out of form. Kohli will be fine in ODIs.Dhoni and Yuvraj are out of mind not form to still keep playing for India. They are past their sell date for some time now.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Yes, PSL doesn't have to have IPL's amount of money to be successful. It can have a very positive impact of professionalism in Pakistani cricket if it rewards effort by cricketers to become better and also provides a reasonable income.

Yeah and hopefully our new stadium in that Bahrain town place (or whatever it's called) is finished, looks already the best stadium in the world. It's going to be very beneficial for us to have our players play in such an atmosphere with other international players.

 

[Speedster777]

Indian ex cricketers seem to have caught foot in the mouth disease

 

[Hasan123]

Most people will predict an India win.

 

[MenInG]

Indian ex cricketers seem to have caught foot in the mouth disease

they have a reason to base their forecasts on.

 

[Speedster777]

they have a reason to base their forecasts on.

You don't win based on "reasons"

 

[Speedster777]

Cricket is not a math formulae of 2+2 =4. There are many factors some even beyond your control that can change the fate of the match. even the best of teams can lose badly. There's something called humility and common sense that most ex cricketers and analysts lack.