Karachi's population is 14.9 million and Lahore's is 11.126 million, how is it even possible?

[Mian]

Sorry but can't believe this! In 1998 census Lahore population was 6.3m and Karachi was 9.2m

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1491313/karachi-top-not-much/

Provisional results of the Sixth Population Census show that in the past 19 years, there was a 60% increase in Karachi’s population, compared with a 116% increase in Lahore’s population, which rose to 11.126 million people by 2017, showed the results. Lahore also witnessed the highest growth rate in Pakistan followed by Peshawar (100.4%) and Islamabad (91.8%).

During the past 19 years, Karachi’s population increased from 9.339 million to 14.91 million – a net addition of 5.56 million people. Compared to this, Lahore’s population increased from 5.143 million to 11.126 million, showing an addition of almost 6 million more people, according to the provincial results.

 

[big_gamer007]

Maybe Lahore has very very high immigration rate compared to Karachi and other cities along with a slightly higher growth rate.

 

[Mian]

Maybe Lahore has very very high immigration rate compared to Karachi and other cities along with a slightly higher growth rate.

Karachi saw the biggest immigration rate in last 2 decades. Any other city can't even come close to that rate.

 

[Musakhel]

Lol and people were saying Karachi has 30 million people, people always exaggerate.

 

[shah_1]

Karachi saw the biggest immigration rate in last 2 decades. Any other city can't even come close to that rate.

Lahore has immigration has from all over Punjab compared to Karachi and not many people from Punjab prefer going to Karachi.

Many people aspiring to have a highly paid job prefer Lahore because it's far more secure and better infrastructure.

 

[JoniInsafian]

Maybe they haven't counted the slums.... I think about 5 million people in Karachi live in slums so total could be 20 million...

 

[JoniInsafian]

For example Orangi Town is the largest slum in the world with 3 million people alone!!! Of course army can't go there and count everybody.... Lahore has less slums, that's why its population seems closer to Karachi...

 

[Rafa]

Lahore has immigration has from all over Punjab compared to Karachi and not many people from Punjab prefer going to Karachi.

Many people aspiring to have a highly paid job prefer Lahore because it's far more secure and better infrastructure.

Karachi is the Financial Hub which literally runs the entire country, so no other city would be attracting more migrants than Karachi.

Just look at the number of Pashtuns from KPK and Afghans in Karachi alone, much much higher than in Punjab.

 

[shah_1]

Karachi is the Financial Hub which literally runs the entire country, so no other city would be attracting more migrants than Karachi.

Just look at the number of Pashtuns from KPK and Afghans in Karachi alone, much much higher than in Punjab.

Punjab is the most populated province, we are discounting so many Punjabis going to Lahore. Lahore isn't diverse like Karachi.

 

[WebGuru]

Lahore has immigration has from all over Punjab compared to Karachi and not many people from Punjab prefer going to Karachi.

Many people aspiring to have a highly paid job prefer Lahore because it's far more secure and better infrastructure.

Karachi is the Financial Hub which literally runs the entire country, so no other city would be attracting more migrants than Karachi.

Just look at the number of Pashtuns from KPK and Afghans in Karachi alone, much much higher than in Punjab.

According to some reports Karachi is the largest pakhtoon city in the world and there are around 5 to 6 million pakhtoons living there.

 

[shah_1]

Maybe they forged the figures to safeguard the wadras of Rural Sindh?

 

[WebGuru]

Maybe they forged the figures to safeguard the wadras of Rural Sindh?

There is a possibility because Sindhis are not even in top 3 ethnic groups of Karachi. Muhajir > Pakhtoons > Punjabi

 

[Couch Cricketer]

There is a possibility because Sindhis are not even in top 3 ethnic groups of Karachi. Muhajir > Pakhtoons > Punjabi

Not just sindhis pmln would not have been happy either if Karachi has 12% of the national assembly vote. then winning in punjab alone might not be enough to make government. All estimates have Karachi population at over 25 million. So if they would have said 20 million it might have been believable. 15 million I have hard time believing maybe the other 5-6 million have been put in their origin village or cities.

 

[carbon11]

It's simple the migrants in Karachi were recorded as people from kpk fata of Punjab

And were not recorded as karachites

So mqm and their Shia ruling hegemony are protected even though they are minority in Karachi because the economic and war migrants from rest of Pakistan and Afghanistan outnumber them

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I am not too sure how many of you are actually from Karachi, but this consensus has been a proper joke. Karachi, at minimum, has 20 million strong Abadi without any shadow of a doubt.

 

[Slog]

This is an absolute joke.

This is rigged

If this is how the rights of Karachi will continue to be trampled upon educated folks like me will support for independence

 

[Slog]

Maybe they haven't counted the slums.... I think about 5 million people in Karachi live in slums so total could be 20 million...

They have

 

[Slog]

It's simple the migrants in Karachi were recorded as people from kpk fata of Punjab

And were not recorded as karachites

So mqm and their Shia ruling hegemony are protected even though they are minority in Karachi because the economic and war migrants from rest of Pakistan and Afghanistan outnumber them

This is bull reasoning

The census counts whre you physically are

 

[Slog]

Lahore has immigration has from all over Punjab compared to Karachi and not many people from Punjab prefer going to Karachi.

Many people aspiring to have a highly paid job prefer Lahore because it's far more secure and better infrastructure.

this is just laughable

tell that to the millions upon millions of Punjabis in Karachi

the only thing is that Punjabis in Karachi unlike Pathans for eg, are not concentrated in a few areas so hence they do not form whole enclaves or voting blocks

 

[Slog]

Karachi is the Financial Hub which literally runs the entire country, so no other city would be attracting more migrants than Karachi.

Just look at the number of Pashtuns from KPK and Afghans in Karachi alone, much much higher than in Punjab.

theres more pashtuns in karachi than peshawar or kabul i think

 

[WebGuru]

According to media in Karachi many urban areas are still counted as rural just like 1998 while in Lahore many new areas are added as urban in the population.

 

[WebGuru]

theres more pashtuns in karachi than peshawar or kabul i think

That's true 5 to 6 million.

 

[WebGuru]

There were reports that FATA number are also fake

 

[Slog]

I am not too sure how many of you are actually from Karachi, but this consensus has been a proper joke. Karachi, at minimum, has 20 million strong Abadi without any shadow of a doubt.

i knew it wasnt being orgazined properly just from personal experience but i was just hoping against hope that these were anomalies and by and large we will get a fair reflection of what is actually happening

id be interested to know whats the ethnic break up now

 

[King-Misbah]

This is an absolute joke.

This is rigged

If this is how the rights of Karachi will continue to be trampled upon educated folks like me will support for independence

Easy there pal. We all want to break the Punjab dominance; even Punjabis like me.

 

[hussain.r97]

What a joke! Karachi has to be at least 25 million ....

 

[Syed1]

LMAO what a joke. Karachi easily has 20 million plus residents.

 

[saeedhk]

Really dubious. From what we have known and have been told, Karachi is a city of at least 20 million.

 

[Syed1]

It's simple the migrants in Karachi were recorded as people from kpk fata of Punjab

And were not recorded as karachites

So mqm and their Shia ruling hegemony are protected even though they are minority in Karachi because the economic and war migrants from rest of Pakistan and Afghanistan outnumber them

What the actual &&&&

Stop shooting from the hip about things you don't know about.

 

[Syed1]

This has wider repercussions. Karachi won't get the funding it needs to serve its actual population size and that uncounted population doesn't have a voice in the Parliament either. Just another conspiracy by Punjabi and Sindhi politicians to suppress Urdu speakers.

 

[Syed1]

Half of Afghanistan has descended on our city and our population only went up by 5 million in 19 years. Mashallah.

 

[hafeezrocks]

15 years ago, Karachi was being projected to become the next Dubai or Singapore of Pakistan. Being a Port City, it had enormous potential to develop and change the fortunes of the country. However, instead of tapping into it's potential it's has been left to fend for itself and being treated like a Colony while disproportionate funds have been allotted for a certain landlocked city for political mileage. The fall of Karachi has coincided with the rise of Lahore. The Population Numbers of the City are being understated to deny Karachi of the fair share of funds that it deserves. Karachi's biggest problem is that its problems don't matter to any of the biggest Political Parties of Pakistan. PML-N only care about Punjab, PPP only care about Rural Sindh, even Imran Khan is focussing more in Punjab these days and usually ignores Karachi as he doesn't consider it a politically significant frontier that needs to be won over. So it shouldn't come across as a surprise why many people in Karachi continue to vote for MQM under whom the City witnessed maximum development.

The future of Karachi is very bleak with Shabby infrastructure, Slums, Sub-human living conditions, and it will continue to Top Rankings for Worst Cities to live in the World while it has natural potential to become a Developed City considering it's proximity to Sea and being the Largest Port of Pakistan. If only the massive mass migration to Karachi was controlled and it received it's share from contribution it makes to the National Economy, Karachi would be the best City to live in South Asia.

 

[umerz]

Lahore has immigration has from all over Punjab compared to Karachi and not many people from Punjab prefer going to Karachi.

Many people aspiring to have a highly paid job prefer Lahore because it's far more secure and better infrastructure.

Buddy, People from all over Pakistan migrate to Karachi.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Yes Yes Yes it's a conspiracy to keep Karachi backward and channel all the revenue over to Punjab. ))

 

[FreakCricket]

Karachi estimated population is around 25million, obviously PPP and PML-N doesn't want Karachi to have more seats. No brainer!

 

[sjahmed23]

Lol this is a joke. Karachi population boom is well documented and this census report is simply not accurate. If giving Karachi less resources to fend for itself is the ploy then good luck Pakistan.

 

[Azzurri]

Karachittes bring up altafi threats every now an then *shame*. On a side note the results aren't accurate by any means

 

[waqar goraya]

Migration levels to Lahore are also very high. The rest of the Punjab is way too backward in infrastructure, hospitals and educational institutes. Many of my extended family have shifted to Lahore during past couple of decades.

How are the estimates of 200 million for Karachi more reliable than this census?

 

[DW44]

On topic - These numbers are almost certainly doctored. ~15 million is such an implausible figure given the ground realities and what we already know. Back in March there were some grumblings over the provincial and federal governments colluding to keep the numbers down and up to three people in some localities being counted as one which seems reasonable considering how much both PPP and PML stands to lose if KHI has over 1 in 10 Pakistanis.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

theres more pashtuns in karachi than peshawar or kabul i think

Yep

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Karachis actual population is easily about twice as much as this

 

[Syed1]

Karachittes bring up altafi threats every now an then *shame*. On a side note the results aren't accurate by any means

Please try to understand why these "Altafi threats" arise rather than brushing them aside as "shame"

 

[Slog]

Yes Yes Yes it's a conspiracy to keep Karachi backward and channel all the revenue over to Punjab. ))

It clearly is

You really think the place where half of KPK and Afghanistan has descended saw less increase than Lahore

Get your head out of your biased mind

 

[moghul]

Karachi is the Financial Hub which literally runs the entire country, so no other city would be attracting more migrants than Karachi.

Just look at the number of Pashtuns from KPK and Afghans in Karachi alone, much much higher than in Punjab.

Karachi Used to be , not anymore thanks to MQM and PPP, its now Lahore, Faisalabad , Gujranwala and Sialkot generating the most revenue . Karachi is still a major one but not the same, what it used to be.

 

[Poutine]

Karachittes bring up altafi threats every now an then *shame*. On a side note the results aren't accurate by any means

Why do you think they do that? Just for fun?

 

[Slog]

Karachi Used to be , not anymore thanks to MQM and PPP, its now Lahore, Faisalabad , Gujranwala and Sialkot generating the most revenue . Karachi is still a major one but not the same, what it used to be.

Karachi still generates most revenue. And it IS the financial hub

please look at numbers and not go on feelings

 

[Slog]

Karachittes bring up altafi threats every now an then *shame*. On a side note the results aren't accurate by any means

so whats the solution?

keep letting this happen and shut up because some sensitive susies in Punjab are happy taking rights of others as long as it doesnt affect them negatively?

Why do you think EVERY province at one time or another has risen up against the Punjab establishment?

now due to this absolute joke of a census Karachi will have same number of seats as Lahore...Even with the current mismatch in number of seats Karachi gets nowhere near the funding as Lahore does so what do you think will happen now when through a rigged census both have same level of population

 

[Pakpak]

Its down to greed and keeping the status quo and less about Punjab vs the rest. Musharraf wasn't Punjabi, what did he give Karachi? A rejuvinated MQM. Zardari isn't Punjabi, what did he ever do? Same for Zia, same for Benazir. Its a lazy excuse to play this racism card which undoubtedly exists but this case is more than that.

Its more down to keeping the status quo as it is, Karachi getting more seats would be a massive dent to PPP in Sindh and PMLN in Punjab. It benefits both of them to keep it as it is.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

why are Karachites being such cry babies in this thread.... census was held and turns out you have 15 million in the city... face facts!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

so whats the solution?

keep letting this happen and shut up because some sensitive susies in Punjab are happy taking rights of others as long as it doesnt affect them negatively?

Why do you think EVERY province at one time or another has risen up against the Punjab establishment?

now due to this absolute joke of a census Karachi will have same number of seats as Lahore...Even with the current mismatch in number of seats Karachi gets nowhere near the funding as Lahore does so what do you think will happen now when through a rigged census both have same level of population

Karachi has no drinking water, was run by the mafia with a vice like grip till recently and was and one of the most dangerous places to live outside war zones with very high violent crime rate and Thousands murdered each year..... Its not a surprise that it's population has not grown as fast.... still it has twice the number of London.

 

[moghul]

why are Karachites being such cry babies in this thread.... census was held and turns out you have 15 million in the city... face facts!

Lahore's population increased more due to more load shedding there.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Lahore's population increased more due to more load shedding there.

Yes everything is a conspiracy....

 

[Muhammad10]

The city has an estimated population of 23.5 million as of April 2013, and a density of nearly 6,000 people per square kilometre. It is the third largest city in the world by population within city limits and the 11th largest urban agglomeration.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/614409...t-an-embargo-on-industrialisation-in-karachi/

Not sure what the source of the above estimate was, but there's a pretty massive disparity between that and the latest census.

 

[Stewie]

the population growth patterns are never linear. So it's ridiculous to expect that the growth rate would be simply 1/3 ratio always especially over 19 years.

Lahore has expanded a lot in the last few years.

 

[Syed1]

What's worse is even educated posters defending this daylight robbery because it benefits their city and province.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I'm glad I'm a Punjabi who was raised in Karachi. As a more mature person I see the reality now.

 

[Suleiman]

#KarExit, don't want to be part of this Punjab Muslim League-Noora run mafia no more.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Lol these results are fake.Karachi has 20 mn people easy.

 

[Slog]

I'm glad I'm a Punjabi who was raised in Karachi. As a more mature person I see the reality now.

What is the reality?

Would appreciate what your thoughts are.

 

[Slog]

the population growth patterns are never linear. So it's ridiculous to expect that the growth rate would be simply 1/3 ratio always especially over 19 years.

Lahore has expanded a lot in the last few years.

There's a thing called eyes and observations as well

 

[Slog]

the population growth patterns are never linear. So it's ridiculous to expect that the growth rate would be simply 1/3 ratio always especially over 19 years.

Lahore has expanded a lot in the last few years.

To add to this.

Karachi has received more migration in this period than any other period post 1960

Honestly anyone who has even a little bit of unbiasedness will know what the situation is

Anyone whose spent a week in Lahore and a week in Karachi can tell which city has almost twice the population of the other

 

[Slog]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/614409...t-an-embargo-on-industrialisation-in-karachi/

Not sure what the source of the above estimate was, but there's a pretty massive disparity between that and the latest census.

These estimates were using historical growth patterns

But almost all experts (international and local) were warning that this population number is severely understated as it is not taking into account the massive migration in from KPK in the last decade.

So it's hilarious to think that it's actually lower than this )

 

[srh]

I agree that Karachi has 20 millions people at least. But there are lot of people in Karachi who live in Karachi only for work; their real homes are in other provinces. Its a matter of "Province of Home" vs "Province of Work". Those people must have been counted in their "Province of Home" and thats why Karachi's population is counted to be so much lower than expected.

 

[Black Zero]

This is bull reasoning

The census counts whre you physically are

Depends on your domicile, I think.

 

[TQ89]

I used to hear way back in 2006/2007 that karachi had 15 million people. This stat confused the heck out of me

 

[Slog]

I agree that Karachi has 20 millions people at least. But there are lot of people in Karachi who live in Karachi only for work; their real homes are in other provinces. Its a matter of "Province of Home" vs "Province of Work". Those people must have been counted in their "Province of Home" and thats why Karachi's population is counted to be so much lower than expected.

Depends on your domicile, I think.

Why do you guys insist on talking when you clearly don't have an idea

The census counts you as being a resident of somewhere if you spend more than 45 (or 60) days.

Anyone in Karachi for work will be considered a resident of Karachi.

Honestly. Do you guys bother to do even basic research on how censuses work? Or what is the point of a census?

 

[Black Zero]

Why do you guys insist on talking when you clearly don't have an idea

The census counts you as being a resident of somewhere if you spend more than 45 (or 60) days.

Anyone in Karachi for work will be considered a resident of Karachi.

Honestly. Do you guys bother to do even basic research on how censuses work? Or what is the point of a census?

I do not know about latest one but I found following on Pakistan bureau of statostics:

Census Methodology

There are two approaches of census enumeration:
(a) De-jure – in which persons are counted at their usual place of residence and
(b) De-fecto– in which persons are counted where they are found on the census data. In 1998 census both the approaches were applied simultaneously during enumeration, but the data was tabulated and published on de-jure basis for comparability of data over time.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Why do you guys insist on talking when you clearly don't have an idea

The census counts you as being a resident of somewhere if you spend more than 45 (or 60) days.

Anyone in Karachi for work will be considered a resident of Karachi.

Honestly. Do you guys bother to do even basic research on how censuses work? Or what is the point of a census?

I have particularly noticed that most of PP are quite weak in allocating the significance and method of how number studies are conducted and what they specifically imply across the board.

Even in the sports section people generally have less of an idea on how proper number crunching is done to give a proper coherent hypothesis.

 

[Black Zero]

I read the census form online, could not find the 45 days rule.
Karachi's population increased by 60% in last 2 decades, it's a big growth...

Maybe people did not like that lahore is coming closer??

Interesting competition where parties preferring negative.

 

[Slog]

I do not know about latest one but I found following on Pakistan bureau of statostics:

Census Methodology

There are two approaches of census enumeration:
(a) De-jure – in which persons are counted at their usual place of residence and
(b) De-fecto– in which persons are counted where they are found on the census data. In 1998 census both the approaches were applied simultaneously during enumeration, but the data was tabulated and published on de-jure basis for comparability of data over time.

Wel then this proves my point

Data is tabulated on de-hire basis ie the place of residence

 

[Slog]

I read the census form online, could not find the 45 days rule.
Karachi's population increased by 60% in last 2 decades, it's a big growth...

Maybe people did not like that lahore is coming closer??

Interesting competition where parties preferring negative.

Who did not like?

All people do not like is blatant fudging of numbers

 

[Syed1]

Who did not like?

All people do not like is blatant fudging of numbers

Well if you browse through this thread some people are all for it.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Itne log to Karachi mein bakra mandi mein hote hain. Absolute joke )

 

[Stallion__]

Inconceivable numbers.

Lahore's growth rate is shocking as compared to other cities. Looks like few millions from Karachi's figure have been added to Lahore's

Sindh is the only province that in which domiciles are segregated on a rural/urban basis. This census means that Sindh urban region will have lesser vacancies in universities, assemblies and professional jobs to compete for.

 

[DW44]

I agree that Karachi has 20 millions people at least. But there are lot of people in Karachi who live in Karachi only for work; their real homes are in other provinces. Its a matter of "Province of Home" vs "Province of Work". Those people must have been counted in their "Province of Home" and thats why Karachi's population is counted to be so much lower than expected.

That's not how the census works. People must be counted in the jurisdiction where they reside as opposed to where they're from. If it worked the way you're saying it might have, I, along with my family, would have been counted in Peshawar instead of Islamabad.

 

[Black Zero]

Wel then this proves my point

Data is tabulated on de-hire basis ie the place of residence

I do not think so, it's depend how the form is filled...if some punjabi living in Karachi must enter Karachi as de-facto as he is filling the form in Karachi, but if he puts lahore as de-jure then he will be counted for lahore in final summary.

(I am still searching for 45 days rule that you mentioned)

 

[Syed1]

I do not think so, it's depend how the form is filled...if some punjabi living in Karachi must enter Karachi as de-facto as he is filling the form in Karachi, but if he puts lahore as de-jure then he will be counted for lahore in final summary.

(I am still searching for 45 days rule that you mentioned)

So basically khao peoo Karachi mein leken faida Lahore ka ho. Ok

 

[Black Zero]

So basically khao peoo Karachi mein leken faida Lahore ka ho. Ok

I am still not sure...how people filled the form, I have seen the long form online...there were questions but no guidelines.

People of Karachi think that they fund punjab (just like bcci think that they fund icc)
Who can exist alone in this connected world...

 

[Slog]

I do not think so, it's depend how the form is filled...if some punjabi living in Karachi must enter Karachi as de-facto as he is filling the form in Karachi, but if he puts lahore as de-jure then he will be counted for lahore in final summary.

(I am still searching for 45 days rule that you mentioned)

No that's not how it's works. They work how [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] described it

(I'm on phone but I'll check when I have a laptop. Regardless it's irrelevant as de-jure basis is what counts and you don't pick and choose it according to your liking)

 

[Slog]

That's not how the census works. People must be counted in the jurisdiction where they reside as opposed to where they're from. If it worked the way you're saying it might have, I, along with my family, would have been counted in Peshawar instead of Islamabad.

Besides the obvious point that it would negate the whole purpose of a census if you didn't pick your area of residence. Census is primarily meant for budget planning and allocation of resources