Karachi's population is 14.9 million and Lahore's is 11.126 million, how is it even possible?

[member250]

I did not. You brought my ethnicity up to create a strawman about Pukhtun victimhood on a thread about Karachi where I stand by Karachi. If it's puzzling how underreporting Karachi's population benefits Punjab, I rest my case.

You implied pashtun population too was under counted when it already seen huge increase and we are not even including Karachi, Islamabad etc pashtun population. I didn't brought your ethnicity, you did.

Are you by any chance British Pakistani (or based outside of Pakistan for a long time at the very least), because that's BritPak level of ignorance about the situation in Pakistan right there. No one said Punjab is Sweden, Punjab's growth rate is also abnormally high by Pakistani standards but to deny that there's still a massive gap between Sindh/Punjab and KPK/Balochistan in terms of women's position in society and literacy rates is just plain wrong.

My poor english should give away the fact that I'm not British Pakistani. Actually just 30% increase would be low for punjab compared to national 57%. Fertility rate is lower but not that low. I'm pretty sure KP is more developed and have higher literacy rate then interior Sindh.

I'm well aware of the facts on ground.

It's not "just" 19 years. It's "holy crap, 19 freaking years". When talking about fertility rates and stuff, 19 years is a lifetime. Most developing countries can literally reduce their growth rates in half, or even more, in 19 years. It's a long *** time in that context.

Not in Pakistan.

So? Previous census data has no bearing on current data. No previous census data, for instance, could predict that growth rates would actually increase from 1998-2017 over 1981-1998.

Growth rate was higher in 1981-98, 3% if I'm not wrong vs 2.4% in 1998-17. In 98 Afghans were not counted in census unlike now. I'm sure they are making some difference here and growth rate should be lower in final report.

I have actual family members through marriage who are Punjabis from families that migrated to Peshawar during the 65 war. It's convenient to ask for a source knowing full well Pakistan doesn't keep statistics on inward migration and certainly didn't in 1965.

In Peshawar 1998 punjabi speaking population was 3% along with 3% urdu speaking. Not doubting your claims but neither India was carpet bombing civilians or war lasted that long for punjab people to migrate anywhere. These people could as well be in Peshawar for jobs, marriage etc

So you combined two entirely different ethnic groups because it helps you make a point? Intellectual dishonesty at it's finest. Anyway, KPK is a naturally diverse province compared to Sindh or Punjab, with several native ethnic groups like Chitralis, Kohistanis, Hazarewals (not the same thing as Hazaras), Pamiris, Pukhtuns and several smaller ones. Most are visibly present in Peshawar. Never has Peshawar had one ethnic group in such a heavy majority as Punjabis in Lahore. It has always had a plurality of Pukhtuns and Hindko speakers who, I reiterate, are completely different with large numbers of other ethnic groups.

Because pashtuns and hindkos are living in KP borders drawn by British KP before Pakistan existed, what is hard to understand here? Along with Chitralis, Kohistanis etc They are natives of KP. Just like in punjab there is Balochi speaking minorty in south and pashtun speaking minority in western districts like Mianwali. They will not be counted as outsiders or to show diversity of Lahore as far as internal migrations are concerned. No province in Pakistan have clear cut boundaries with only 1 people living.

Peshawar 98 pashto speaking made 85% vs punjabi speaking 86% in Lahore, I don't see any difference in dominance of one group over the other. In smaller numbers you can find most people in Lahore including from far flung areas like Gilgit etc

No, just underreporting in Karachi. Overreporting in Punjab is speculation for the time being, no one has made that particular accusation. What has been said is that it benefits Punjab politically, which it does.

Why I have to repeat this, you can't seem to understand simple things. Karachi is part of Sindh, its not separate province. Lets add 8% to Karachi population. Now karachi is city of 30m, 200% increase over 1998.

If we just add 15 million to Karachi then Pak population is 222 million. Then punjab population become around 50% and all other areas of Pakistan also see decrease in %. Difference is even bigger with in Sindh because now Karachi alone have 50% of Sindh population and 75% urban.

 

[member250]

Didn't say anything about fair..... Balochistan being over-represented is fair... But people in Pakistan have a habit of crying when fair favours Punjab... So if Punjab gets divided you can anticipate many tantrums by usual suspects...

So you could care less?? You're a Insafian?

The idea that increase in Karachi population only effect punjab is not only stupid but far from reality. We know MQM can't directly blame PPP you know for internal provincial harmoney, I mean we don't want to go back in time as far as Karachi is concerned right? Then we are left with favourite punching bag that is punjab.

If you add 15 million to Karachi then punjab share is further decreased to 50% but also KP, Balochistan and FATA as well. But more importantly with in Sindh now Karachi is 50% of population. It actually mostly effect dynamics of provincial Sindh government more then any other province or even country. We all know political history of Sindh what it mean if that was the case.

Punjab and for that matter all 3 provinces have little to worry about decreased share by few points because of Karachi 30 million population.

 

[Black Zero]

You really are an awful judge of people aren't you? I'm the most anti-MQM person around. Infact in my area PTI wins and will win in 2018 too IA. But if I had to choose between MQM and Punjab-centric PML-N, I'll pick MQM everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

Honestly, does not seem like the most anti-mqm person around.

 

[Abdullah719]

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[Angrez Pakistani]

Karachi wasn’t going to get enough resources either way. No point brooding about it.