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Kashmir Files (trailer) - propaganda or a reality film?

cricketjoshila said:
B grade movie? Have atleast some compassion for a community who have suffered a genocide and have been displaced.

Its not about Modi or BJP, its about what happened to Kashmiri hindus in the muslim majority valley.

As long as Modi makes sure that the law is fair to hindus and hindus are not treated as second class, its fine.
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Don't knock his talent .. he has the superpower to make out how good a movie is and how good the acting is just by seeing the trailer! Apparently he was a film critic as well thanks to this ability.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
He removed article 370 and 35A in the face of much opposition- something no other govt in the last 30 yrs did. Is that lip service? Who knows what plans lie ahead?
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How many Pandits has he helped return?

cricketjoshila said:
As long as Modi makes sure that the law is fair to hindus and hindus are not treated as second class, its fine.
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Have you seen the behaviour of people during the screenings? The language used and hate speeches against Muslims in general - not specifically the Kashmiri Muslim terrorists who might have intimidated the Pandits? He's making this the new normal. And if you stand by that, it's just a matter of time before something about you doesn't fall within their norms of behaviour. And you will then actually become a second-classs citizen.

cricketjoshila said:
B grade movie? Have atleast some compassion for a community who have suffered a genocide and have been displaced.

Its not about Modi or BJP, its about what happened to Kashmiri hindus in the muslim majority valley.
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A bgrade movie is a bgrade movie. A third-class director is a third-class director.

The importance of a topic or incident shouldn't be conflated with or used to elevate the quality of the above two.

A donkey wearing a crown doesn't become a horse. Maybe a royal donkey at best :))) but still a donkey.

Which brings me to ....

LongtimeLurk3r said:
Don't knock his talent .. he has the superpower to make out how good a movie is and how good the acting is just by seeing the trailer! Apparently he was a film critic as well thanks to this ability.
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I thought I'd dealt with you last night but you still seem bitter and keep snapping at my heels.

Go get yourself some experience in areas that you feel compelled to sound competent in and defend - it's not my fault if you talk like a noob. Start by watching one movie a day. Maybe by your dying breath you will say - before I take that sip of water, I just want to say, yeah, Kashmir Files is a garbage movie :)
 
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pillionrider said:
How many Pandits has he helped return?


Have you seen the behaviour of people during the screenings? The language used and hate speeches against Muslims in general - not specifically the Kashmiri Muslim terrorists who might have intimidated the Pandits? He's making this the new normal. And if you stand by that, it's just a matter of time before something about you doesn't fall within their norms of behaviour. And you will then actually become a second-classs citizen.



A bgrade movie is a bgrade movie. A third-class director is a third-class director.

The importance of a topic or incident shouldn't be conflated with or used to elevate the quality of the above two.

A donkey wearing a crown doesn't become a horse. Maybe a royal donkey at best :))) but still a donkey.

Which brings me to ....



I thought I'd dealt with you last night but you still seem bitter and keep snapping at my heels.

Go get yourself some experience in areas that you feel compelled to sound competent in and defend - it's not my fault if you talk like a noob Start by watching one movie a day. Maybe by your dying breath you will say - before I take that sip of water, I just want to say, yeah, Kashmir Files is a garbage movie :)
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Here I am praising your skills and there you are doubting my praise.
 
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pillionrider said:
How many Pandits has he helped return?
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https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/384...turned-to-the-valley-in-recent-years-reports/
Google is your friend

pillionrider said:
Have you seen the behaviour of people during the screenings? The language used and hate speeches against Muslims in general - not specifically the Kashmiri Muslim terrorists who might have intimidated the Pandits? He's making this the new normal. And if you stand by that, it's just a matter of time before something about you doesn't fall within their norms of behaviour. And you will then actually become a second-classs citizen.
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I saw the movie in the theatre - no one did anything that you talked about. Most of my family and friends have gone and watched the movie as well in the theatre. Noone did what you talked about. Most ppl were either speechless or crying when they came out of the theatre. Given that you brought the topic up - how many of these incidents have been reported for you to generalize that this is the norm?
 
JaDed said:
Which MSM in India is biased towards left? Most have towards BJP right wing lol.

Zee- WION
TOI
HT
REPUBLIC
INDIA Today
CNN iBN
ABP
lol all the above ones are pro BJP.

Leftist:
The Hindu
The Wire
NDTV
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Lol..Indian Today ... Rajdeep sardesai wil cry Day & Night:))

HT: This is a paper with pro-Congress bias, which is not surprising. Shobhana Bhartia, who is the main owner of this paper, is a Rajya Sabha MP nominated by Congress-led UPA government. And the political editor, Vinod Sharma, is also someone pro-Congress and more importantly, pro-Gandhi family. :)))

You conveniently Ignored Left leaning anti BJP MSM
Indian Express : Pro Congress
Deccan Herald : Left Leaning
BBC India
Scroll
Alt News

TOI and CNN are far-left to proper centre-left.

WION,ABP,Scroll and Alt News are not MSM
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Lol..Indian Today ... Rajdeep sardesai wil cry Day & Night:))

HT: This is a paper with pro-Congress bias, which is not surprising. Shobhana Bhartia, who is the main owner of this paper, is a Rajya Sabha MP nominated by Congress-led UPA government. And the political editor, Vinod Sharma, is also someone pro-Congress and more importantly, pro-Gandhi family. :)))

You conveniently Ignored Left leaning anti BJP MSM
Indian Express : Pro Congress
Deccan Herald : Left Leaning
BBC India
Scroll
Alt News

TOI and CNN are far-left to proper centre-left.

WION,ABP,Scroll and Alt News are not MSM
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He also missed Vox, Quint, Caravan, National Herald (congi), Telegraph, New Indian Express, Huffington Post India, Scroll.in, TheWeek, Janta Ka Reporter, The Logical Indian, Cobrapost, AltNews, News Laundry, News Minute

just off the top of my head
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/384...turned-to-the-valley-in-recent-years-reports/
Google is your friend
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You googled fervently about a point that hadn't even occurred to you :)) and then the best you could come up with was opindia parroting the BJP statement? :)))

Read this....

Reverse migration of Kashmiri Pandits began in 2008 with the UPA's rehabilitation package.

Over 3,800 Kashmiri Pandit families have returned to the Valley in the past decade or so, nearly 30 years after being driven out of their homes by militants.

According to the numbers tabled by the Union government in the Lok Sabha, 520 migrants returned to Kashmir after the abrogation of Article 370 under the Prime Minister’s Development Package-2015.

The majority of the reverse migration took place after the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance government of Dr Manmohan Singh announced an employment and rehabilitation package for Kashmiri Hindus in 2008. New elements were added to this package by the current Narendra Modi government.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-this-be-a-new-start/articleshow/85616635.cms

BJP claiming the work of previous governments as their own. What's new....
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Lol..Indian Today ... Rajdeep sardesai wil cry Day & Night:))

HT: This is a paper with pro-Congress bias, which is not surprising. Shobhana Bhartia, who is the main owner of this paper, is a Rajya Sabha MP nominated by Congress-led UPA government. And the political editor, Vinod Sharma, is also someone pro-Congress and more importantly, pro-Gandhi family. :)))

You conveniently Ignored Left leaning anti BJP MSM
Indian Express : Pro Congress
Deccan Herald : Left Leaning
BBC India
Scroll
Alt News

TOI and CNN are far-left to proper centre-left.

WION,ABP,Scroll and Alt News are not MSM
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Which news of Indian Express did make it seem pro congress?
 
pillionrider said:
You googled fervently about a point that hadn't even occurred to you :)) and then the best you could come up with was opindia parroting the BJP statement? :)))

Read this....


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-this-be-a-new-start/articleshow/85616635.cms

BJP claiming the work of previous governments as their own. What's new....
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You asked a question. I gave you what is available to me. Perhaps you can break it down by year since you are more knowledgeable about the numbers. Let's see who did what.
 
pillionrider said:
What a topic to comment on, by the PM of a country - a bgrade movie by a third-class director.

At least now, Modi found his voice on the plight of the Pandits. I've been in power for 8 years and done nothing for them, let me comment now on a film and change the perception, like I've been tirelessly working for them.

Modi doesn't care about anyone. His Hindu supporters will learn this soon. He's a sociopath who will do anything for power and will do nothing to improve the life of the average Hindu.
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What an idle man we have leading such a big country? So all our problems have now been solved since he has got enough time to give free publicity to a movie which is being made by a sanghi sympathizer.

The time he has given to the makers of this movie, had he given half of that time to the protesting farmers, he won't have had egg on his face while withdrawing draconian farm laws.
 
The entire Jamaat (gang) that raised the flag of freedom of expression has been furious for 5-6 days. Instead of reviewing the film on the basis of facts and art, there's a conspiracy to discredit it," he said.
 
Note down the word Jamaat!

Never the one to be left behind in communalising anything.

And lol, he is conspiracy theorist too.
 
Where was he when Deepika was threatened by his brethren over Padmavati?

He didn't utter a single word then.

Now that this entire controversy suits him well to politicise, he is singing conspiracy theories!
 
MP2011 said:
Where was he when Deepika was threatened by his brethren over Padmavati?

He didn't utter a single word then.

Now that this entire controversy suits him well to politicise, he is singing conspiracy theories!
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So what do you think about the movie?
 
Not seen it, so can't comment on it. However, I've seen other works of this director so don't have too high hopes from this film.
 
However plight of Kashmiri pandits is real and successive goverments right from VP Singh's to the present regime have only paid lip service for their plight.
 
Kashmiri Pundits should support Kashmiris right to hold their own plebiscite and decide their own fate. They will be treated well once Kashmir is rightfully restored as a part of Pakistan.
 
MP2011 said:
What an idle man we have leading such a big country? So all our problems have now been solved since he has got enough time to give free publicity to a movie which is being made by a sanghi sympathizer.

The time he has given to the makers of this movie, had he given half of that time to the protesting farmers, he won't have had egg on his face while withdrawing draconian farm laws.
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I'm guessing he found his own biopic so cringeworthy, even he couldn't find it in him to comment on it :))
 
pillionrider said:
You don't want Jammu? :jimmy
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All Muslim majority areas as decided during the partition should be rejoined with Pakistan as per the lawful agreement, making sure I add a blanket statement here. It includes some other areas as well that were never returned to Pakistan.
 
Stewie said:
Kashmiri Pundits should support Kashmiris right to hold their own plebiscite and decide their own fate. They will be treated well once Kashmir is rightfully restored as a part of Pakistan.
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We know how non muslims are treated in muslim majority pakistan. Heck even Shias don't want kashmir to be part of pakistan. And these communities consist close to 40 per cent of the population.
 
Stewie said:
Kashmiri Pundits should support Kashmiris right to hold their own plebiscite and decide their own fate. They will be treated well once Kashmir is rightfully restored as a part of Pakistan.
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Clearly they should have every confidence of this given how they were treated last time...

Who is going to get the pak army out of PoK and get back Gilgit Baltistan back from the Chinese before this?
 
Stewie said:
All Muslim majority areas as decided during the partition should be rejoined with Pakistan as per the lawful agreement, making sure I add a blanket statement here. It includes some other areas as well that were never returned to Pakistan.
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Which lawful agreement?
 
Stewie said:
All Muslim majority areas as decided during the partition should be rejoined with Pakistan as per the lawful agreement, making sure I add a blanket statement here. It includes some other areas as well that were never returned to Pakistan.
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All muslim majority areas except the princely states, who had the power to decide their own fate, with only one caveat, their boundary should have a adjoining boundary with the nation they join.

Do read the Indian independence act correctly.
 
pillionrider said:
How many Pandits has he helped return?


Have you seen the behaviour of people during the screenings? The language used and hate speeches against Muslims in general - not specifically the Kashmiri Muslim terrorists who might have intimidated the Pandits? He's making this the new normal. And if you stand by that, it's just a matter of time before something about you doesn't fall within their norms of behaviour. And you will then actually become a second-classs citizen.



A bgrade movie is a bgrade movie. A third-class director is a third-class director.

The importance of a topic or incident shouldn't be conflated with or used to elevate the quality of the above two.

A donkey wearing a crown doesn't become a horse. Maybe a royal donkey at best :))) but still a donkey.

Which brings me to ....



I thought I'd dealt with you last night but you still seem bitter and keep snapping at my heels.

Go get yourself some experience in areas that you feel compelled to sound competent in and defend - it's not my fault if you talk like a noob. Start by watching one movie a day. Maybe by your dying breath you will say - before I take that sip of water, I just want to say, yeah, Kashmir Files is a garbage movie :)
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Lets slate and crush the attempt to bring the issue of the kashmiri pandits to the mainstream, because some idiot made some comment somewhere.

The truth cannot be hidden because its uncomfortable or against one community.

Your hatred for the movie wont change the fact that its a tragic tale of the kashmiri pandits and how leftists and congis tried to hide it.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is the thing for me. India's been in this weird place since the 1990's since the rise of the BJP and Hindutva movement. I don't want to watch Bollywood movies about Kashmir or Pakistan, but I can get why they might be popular over there.

But why come on here to talk about it? I didn't even know there was a movie called the Kashmir Files, neither did I care. But now I end up dissing it purely because I am annoyed at being spammed with this nonsensical propaganda.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After watching the movie, the guy appeals to Hindus to beware of them (Muslims)... <a href="https://t.co/od0IgrvwTa">pic.twitter.com/od0IgrvwTa</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1503267324555513862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We found Joshila!

Going by the reactions, exactly what the movie was created for. Ironically I got this from Indians who hate Modi, like I said only in this thread do we have BJP chamchas :))
 
Lol just another propaganda garbage from the Hindudvas. When will we see a movie of massacre of innocent thousands of Muslim by the hand of fanatic Hindudvas during partition? There are many horror events that unfolded on innocents who were simply crossing the border with families. Also when will Bollywood make a movie on 3,000 innocent Muslim civilians being butchered by the permission of their current prime minister? This country is quickly going down south with propaganda and hatred. 200 million will eventually have enough and are well capable to draw a border line between India and break it further.
 
cricketjoshila said:
PoK is ofcourse occupied. No doubt.
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You call it Occupation when army is enforced in a million for over 70 years...e.g IOK, now that's what you call an occupation where for 70 years you have not taken your army away. If Kashmir is so yours why not take the army away, O we know very well why you will never do that because majority of Kashmir never wanted to be with India and still don't want to be with India hence such large army's occupation. You can only "hold on" to Kashmir by army's presence.

Now speaking of Azad Kashmir, not an occupation as one can barely see any army around there and Kashmiris live peacefully and happily :) It looks like any other free land, unlike the complete opposite which is IOK. No matter how hard you folks try, facts don't change, which region is at peace and which one has constant curfewing kidnapping massacre etc is all apparent
 
Pakpak said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After watching the movie, the guy appeals to Hindus to beware of them (Muslims)... <a href="https://t.co/od0IgrvwTa">pic.twitter.com/od0IgrvwTa</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1503267324555513862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We found Joshila!

Going by the reactions, exactly what the movie was created for. Ironically I got this from Indians who hate Modi, like I said only in this thread do we have BJP chamchas :))
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So the terrorists who killed KPs are not gaddars and dont deserve the bullet?

Nice try btw, posting links from a well known islamist and manipulator. Not that ot matters.

BJP and NDA rule 20 plus states out of 29 in India plus they are in the centre. Lol at BJP supporters are found only on this thread.
 
Kriketer said:
You call it Occupation when army is enforced in a million for over 70 years...e.g IOK, now that's what you call an occupation where for 70 years you have not taken your army away. If Kashmir is so yours why not take the army away, O we know very well why you will never do that because majority of Kashmir never wanted to be with India and still don't want to be with India hence such large army's occupation. You can only "hold on" to Kashmir by army's presence.

Now speaking of Azad Kashmir, not an occupation as one can barely see any army around there and Kashmiris live peacefully and happily :) It looks like any other free land, unlike the complete opposite which is IOK. No matter how hard you folks try, facts don't change, which region is at peace and which one has constant curfewing kidnapping massacre etc is all apparent
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Take the army away so that extremist muslims can start killing non muslims again. No?

Or may be so that Pakistan can walk in to grab the land.

Before 1965, there was no difference in the army deployment in Kashmir border or other borders with Pakistan. It increased post 1965.

Army came to civilian areas in 1990s post the hindu genocide by Pakistan supported terrorists.

No matter how much pakistanis try, the tri colour flies in Srinagar and thats remains the fact.
 
Kriketer said:
Lol just another propaganda garbage from the Hindudvas. When will we see a movie of massacre of innocent thousands of Muslim by the hand of fanatic Hindudvas during partition? There are many horror events that unfolded on innocents who were simply crossing the border with families. Also when will Bollywood make a movie on 3,000 innocent Muslim civilians being butchered by the permission of their current prime minister? This country is quickly going down south with propaganda and hatred. 200 million will eventually have enough and are well capable to draw a border line between India and break it further.
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Have you not seen Dev(one of Amitabh’s best performance as an inspector) on godhra riots? There are atleast 3 more movies with Godhra riots in the backend.

Amrish Puri plays Modi in it lol
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">At Jama masjid. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Freedom?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Freedom</a> <a href="http://t.co/OQA4ysP6">pic.twitter.com/OQA4ysP6</a></p>— Vivek Ranjan Agnihotri (@vivekagnihotri) <a href="https://twitter.com/vivekagnihotri/status/272619651652022272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2012</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Kriketer said:
Lol just another propaganda garbage from the Hindudvas. When will we see a movie of massacre of innocent thousands of Muslim by the hand of fanatic Hindudvas during partition? There are many horror events that unfolded on innocents who were simply crossing the border with families. Also when will Bollywood make a movie on 3,000 innocent Muslim civilians being butchered by the permission of their current prime minister? This country is quickly going down south with propaganda and hatred. 200 million will eventually have enough and are well capable to draw a border line between India and break it further.
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3000 muslims died? Who said that? Total 1000-1200 died.

Permission of current PM? Your proof?

1.2 billion are capable enough to keep the country together.

Muslims got their land in 1947. Those who stayed back knew they were going to be in a non muslim country, heck India being Secular was only decided later. So if anyone wanted islamic laws, they had the chance in 1947.

Pakistanis should see that a1971 doesn't happen to them again.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
Which part of what is shown in the movie is untrue?

People have just been deflecting from the beginning.
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When 99% of the victims were Muslim, to make them appear the oppressor is very misleading. Especially since Kashmiri Muslims whether right wing or left wing have been calling them back for decades.
 
Lego20 said:
Non sense. From 14th century AD, the hindu population in J&K vanished from 100% to 0%.
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Greece went from 100% pagan to 100% Christian does it mean their was a genocide of the believers of Zeus and Apollo? Or did the population just adopt another religion?

Same way the reason for the decline in Kashmir was the majority of Buddhist and Hindu population either converted to Islam or intermarried with other Muslims and the children were raised Muslim. This does not mean their was a genocide.

The difference between Greece and Kashmir is that Greece became 100% Christian, so for Greeks both the pagan and Christian heritage of Greece is theirs. In Kashmir the population did not become 100% Muslim. So while the Kashmiri Muslims view both the pagan and Muslim heritage of Kashmir as theirs, the Kashmiri Pandits don't. These people do not have even one Muslim ancestor, so they understandably don't care about the Muslim heritage of Kashmir. However they are only 5% of the population. They cannot make Kashmiri Muslims disown 700 years of their history.

LongtimeLurk3r said:
Not J&K .. just K - and that too from a few districts of the valley.

Hopefully, all this leads to justice for the victims of this genocide. Expedient punishment to all those involved in the genocide and suitable reparation and repatriation of those driven out by terrorists to their homes.
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The "J" was also a Muslim majority region. Read up on the Jammu Muslim genocide.

Also every district in the "K" is Muslim majority. Not only "few" districts.
 
Hoping for a new normal where punishing of minorities for just being minorities will be easier than punishing a majority for killing a minority - work in progress but it seem India is on the fast paced track to reach it.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Greece went from 100% pagan to 100% Christian does it mean their was a genocide of the believers of Zeus and Apollo? Or did the population just adopt another religion?

Same way the reason for the decline in Kashmir was the majority of Buddhist and Hindu population either converted to Islam or intermarried with other Muslims and the children were raised Muslim. This does not mean their was a genocide.

The difference between Greece and Kashmir is that Greece became 100% Christian, so for Greeks both the pagan and Christian heritage of Greece is theirs. In Kashmir the population did not become 100% Muslim. So while the Kashmiri Muslims view both the pagan and Muslim heritage of Kashmir as theirs, the Kashmiri Pandits don't. These people do not have even one Muslim ancestor, so they understandably don't care about the Muslim heritage of Kashmir. However they are only 5% of the population. They cannot make Kashmiri Muslims disown 700 years of their history.



The "J" was also a Muslim majority region. Read up on the Jammu Muslim genocide.

Also every district in the "K" is Muslim majority. Not only "few" districts.
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When was Jammu a muslim majority region?
 
This film is produced to further inflame hated of Muslim's in India. Mostly Indian's from which majority are Hindu's live in the most filthiest and dirt poor conditions imaginable not because of Kashmir but corrupt politicians who use religion to further their own agenda. Most Indian's living on 10p a day or something I find it hilarious to see them call Pak people poor:shappy

I mean come on the Muslim's of India will eventually have no choice but to hit back against all these anti Muslim films, hijab being banned, beef being banned and Masjid's being attacked. I don't know for how long the Muslim's of India will tolerate this before exploding then they may appeal for help from other Muslim countries. When this happens these Hindu fanatics will call them anti nationals.

Now these Hindu terror lovers are telling their people to stop watching Salman, Shahrukh, Amir and Saif films in cinema halls that they have been doing for ages. Well go on stop watching their films only that Hindu chicks are crazy about these Muslim Khan's so can't get enough off them. The bottom line is that despite all these restrictions being placed Hindu terrorists are unable to get their Muslim's to leave Islam. This is where Hindu anger is coming from.
 
LaLoco said:
Hoping for a new normal where punishing of minorities for just being minorities will be easier than punishing a majority for killing a minority - work in progress but it seem India is on the fast paced track to reach it.
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That's exactly what this movie is about. The minority Hindus killed by the majority.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You should try visiting Pakistan, most of them are better fed than the majority of Indians. A hefty bank balance isn't much unless it's spent on the people who make up the nation.
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Visit Mumbai and your Richest will appear poor in some places.

Most of the times your country doesn't do a proper census. Your currency has fallen by huge number. Inflation us high. And you live on taking money from others. Thats the reality.
 
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PakLFC said:
Out of those killed in IoK only 89 were Hindu pundits that is 5%. Most killed even by terrorists are Muslim's.
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That number is a chilling reminder of what happens when the state machinery is complicit. Watch the movie and tell me what part you disagree with. You guys shed copious tears for stone pelters and terrorists. Perhaps see the other side too?

The local police refused to act both explicitly by abandoning posts and refusing to shoot militants who were roaming the streets with AK47s as they were too scared as to what would happen to them and their families.

IMO, what happened in Kashmir is fairly analogous of what is happening in KP in Pak. However, your army considers radical Islam a tool to tap into for a proxy war.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Visit Mumbai and your Richest will appear poor in some places.

Most of the times your country doesn't do a proper census. Your currency has fallen by huge number. Inflation us high. And you live on taking money from others. Thats the reality.
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please get over our 1000 rules over you guys, when would you guys get over?
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
That number is a chilling reminder of what happens when the state machinery is complicit. Watch the movie and tell me what part you disagree with. You guys shed copious tears for stone pelters and terrorists. Perhaps see the other side too?

The local police refused to act both explicitly by abandoning posts and refusing to shoot militants who were roaming the streets with AK47s as they were too scared as to what would happen to them and their families.

IMO, what happened in Kashmir is fairly analogous of what is happening in KP in Pak. However, your army considers radical Islam a tool to tap into for a proxy war.
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We know what is happening in IoK and how your terror machine has killed so many innocents then blamed it on Pak. I remember many years back just when some American President was about to visit a few Sikh's were killed in the valley. As always instead of holding your terrorist military responsible you conveniently blamed it on Pak.

I have seen this film holding Muslim's responsible for all that is happening in IoK without mentioning how your military has killed so many innocents in the name of "special operations" and rubbish like that. If your military has the right to defend itself then so do the freedom fighters, they are human too. That is the problem that you look upon them as being subhuman.

Our army is no way near as radical as your Hindutva terrorists army. These saffron terrorists have now penetrated your military to the degree that it is now divided on religion. The stone pelters want you out, i would do the exact same thing if rocks were the only weapons made available to me to defend myself. Should they give your soldiers sweets and flowers when everyone knows there are so many unmarked graves in IoK? If you make trouble for us in Baluchistan or KPK then we will hit you hard in IoK and Punjab.
 
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PakLFC said:
We know what is happening in IoK and how your terror machine has killed so many innocents then blamed it on Pak. I remember many years back just when some American President was about to visit a few Sikh's were killed in the valley. As always instead of holding your terrorist military responsible you conveniently blamed it on Pak.

I have seen this film holding Muslim's responsible for all that is happening in IoK without mentioning how your military has killed so many innocents in the name of "special operations" and rubbish like that. If your military has the right to defend itself then so do the freedom fighters, they are human too. That is the problem that you look upon them as being subhuman.

Our army is no way near as radical as your Hindutva terrorists army. These saffron terrorists have now penetrated your military to the degree that it is now divided on religion. The stone pelters want you out, i would do the exact same thing if rocks were the only weapons made available to me to defend myself. Should they give your soldiers sweets and flowers when everyone knows there are so many unmarked graves in IoK? If you make trouble for us in Baluchistan or KPK then we will hit you hard in IoK and Punjab.
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Would love to hear what part of the movie or what it depicts is incorrect. I'm sure you have valid contradictions.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
Why should it when they didn't kill any KPs? This movie is about them and their plight?
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The movie is biased telling only one side off the story. It says not one thing of what your military does in the IoK. KP's or whatever they have killed so many innocents hence the unmarked graves. Ask the Kashmiri widows.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Visit Mumbai and your Richest will appear poor in some places.

Most of the times your country doesn't do a proper census. Your currency has fallen by huge number. Inflation us high. And you live on taking money from others. Thats the reality.
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I was talking about the majority in India and you replied try visiting mumbai. Is Mumbai the majority of India?

Since when was Britain living on taking money from others? Do we take money from India? Our poorest people in Britain could probably live for a year in India on a month's wages with servants and beggars following us around. Please think before you make nonsensical remarks about posters when the flag is clearly displayed and can be confirmed by IP address.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I was talking about the majority in India and you replied try visiting mumbai. Is Mumbai the majority of India?

Since when was Britain living on taking money from others? Do we take money from India? Our poorest people in Britain could probably live for a year in India on a month's wages with servants and beggars following us around. Please think before you make nonsensical remarks about posters when the flag is clearly displayed and can be confirmed by IP address.
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When did you visit Mumbai? As far as when Britain lived on taking money from others - pretty much the entire period from the 17th to the 20th century. Around 200 yrs. You must know your country's history?
 
PakLFC said:
The movie is biased telling only one side off the story. It says not one thing of what your military does in the IoK. KP's or whatever they have killed so many innocents hence the unmarked graves. Ask the Kashmiri widows.
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Noone has prevented Lollywood to create a masterpiece about the other side.

Btw what is the other side that led to the gruesome genocide of the KPs?
 
What an emotional movie. Couldn’t hold back tears after a long time while watching a hard hitting movie.

This isn’t islamophobic or an agenda driven movie. It puts the facts about some real incidents and the suffering and pain of the victims. Even I will go a step further and say if anything the director held back a lot of other brutal details that would stir up even more emotions.

All in all a fantastic movie. Shame on those giving this a political color and being delusional about this gruesome event. Every kid from the subcontinent be it Hindu or Muslim should watch this film as a lesson on what happens when humanity is lost in people when they get brainwashed by greedy and power hungry politicians and some religious leaders in the same bracket.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
When was Jammu a muslim majority region?
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Before 1947.

To quote a 10 August 1948 report published in The Times, London: “2,37,000 Muslims were systematically exterminated – unless they escaped to Pakistan along the border – by the forces of the Dogra State headed by the Maharaja in person and aided by Hindus and Sikhs. This happened in October 1947, five days before the Pathan invasion and nine days before the Maharaja’s accession to india.” Reportedly, as a result of the massacre/migration, Muslims who were a majority (61 per cent) in the Jammu region became a minority.
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https://scroll.in/article/811468/the-killing-fields-of-jammu-when-it-was-muslims-who-were-eliminated
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
How does that answer the question?
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Technically only the King is the ruler, and everyone else is a subject. So unless one is a reincarnation of a King they did not rule over anyone. However people identify with people of their own background. So same way that Hindus identify with Hindu Kings of the subcontinent, Muslims identify with Muslim Kings of the subcontinent.

However because of the hatred for Islam and Muslims among some Hindus, Muslim Kings are foreigners in perpetuity. Imagine if the Mughals decided to become Hindu. Would any Indian ever say they were foreigners? I don't think so. Its only because of their religion that the Mughals who after Akbar were all born and bred in the subcontinent, are buried in the subcontinent, and intermarried so much that they had very little C. Asian blood are considered foreign invaders.

The hatred is even worse when you think about the Delhi Sultanate. This empire was formed by Mohammed Ghori. The Ghurid dynasty was originally Buddhist, but eventually adopted Islam. Had they stayed Buddhist even the first emperor would have been considered Indian because Afghanistan is after all part of Akhand Bharat. But because they were Muslim even the subsequent generations are considered foreigners.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Kings of the subcontinent.

The hatred is even worse when you think about the Delhi Sultanate. This empire was formed by Mohammed Ghori. The Ghurid dynasty was originally Buddhist, but eventually adopted Islam. Had they stayed Buddhist even the first emperor would have been considered Indian because Afghanistan is after all part of Akhand Bharat. But because they were Muslim even the subsequent generations are considered foreigners.
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Maybe because Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc came out of Hinduism and from India. No different from all the different schools of Islamic thought like Ahmediyas, Shias etc. what Pakistan thinks of them is a debate for another day and that is not my area of expertise.

Islam and Christianity are seen as foreign religions.do I need to explain why?

Yes Parsis of India are foreign origin too but they have always embraced the fact that they were refugees from another country who were victims of exodus/genocide and it was india that came to their rescue. On top of that they are some of the most creative, smart and industrious people in the world. That might be a positive stereotype but that is because they have a lot of such influencers.

Also most of the masses in Muslims are converted those who had Hindu/Buddhist etc ancestry. I don’t deny that there might be a some foreign based ethnicities in subcontinent who are Muslims too but they would be in the minority. There are people of British ancestry too.

That is why it is bizarre when Indian or subcontinent Muslims want to adopt culture and dress code from another land. Culture is not the same as religion.

I don’t think a single Hindu will have a problem with
Celebrating Ramadan, praying 5 times a day, halaal meat etc etc or even wearing what you want unless prescribed otherwise by the institutions.

Among Hindus too we have so many gods because we have included all the belief systems from all indic cultures.

In fact there are churches in south that a lot of Hindus go as pilgrimage. There is Ajmer Sharif that I personally have visited and then there is a famous saint Sai baba of Shirdi who was a Muslim. Ironically Hindus have faith in him but majority of Muslims think he is unislamic even though he has preached peace and only good things. Now that is the kind of thought process people have a problem with not really with Muslims.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Technically only the King is the ruler, and everyone else is a subject. So unless one is a reincarnation of a King they did not rule over anyone. However people identify with people of their own background. So same way that Hindus identify with Hindu Kings of the subcontinent, Muslims identify with Muslim Kings of the subcontinent.

However because of the hatred for Islam and Muslims among some Hindus, Muslim Kings are foreigners in perpetuity. Imagine if the Mughals decided to become Hindu. Would any Indian ever say they were foreigners? I don't think so. Its only because of their religion that the Mughals who after Akbar were all born and bred in the subcontinent, are buried in the subcontinent, and intermarried so much that they had very little C. Asian blood are considered foreign invaders.

The hatred is even worse when you think about the Delhi Sultanate. This empire was formed by Mohammed Ghori. The Ghurid dynasty was originally Buddhist, but eventually adopted Islam. Had they stayed Buddhist even the first emperor would have been considered Indian because Afghanistan is after all part of Akhand Bharat. But because they were Muslim even the subsequent generations are considered foreigners.
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The Delhi Sultanate was an empire full of Islamists who took to the sword brutally to convert people. The barbarity of people like Bakhtiyar Khilji, Alhauiddin Khilji, Qutubdin etc. still remain today.

So hearing from the descendant of a convert - that did so to save their families from extinction or barbarity - that they ruled over the rest is laughable.
 
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Stewie said:
All Muslim majority areas as decided during the partition should be rejoined with Pakistan as per the lawful agreement, making sure I add a blanket statement here. It includes some other areas as well that were never returned to Pakistan.
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And what will you do with those areas? Same what you have done with Pakistan?
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
The Delhi Sultanate was an empire full of Islamists who took to the sword brutally to convert people. The barbarity of people like Bakhtiyar Khilji, Alhauiddin Khilji, Qutubdin etc. still remain today.

So hearing from the descendant of a convert - that did so to save their families from extinction or barbarity - that they ruled over the rest is laughable.
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The founder of the Delhi Sultanate, Mohammed Ghori, was also the descent of a Buddhist convert. In fact 100% of the Delhi Sultans would have had Buddhist or Hindu ancestors. And 18 of the 21 of Mughal Emperors had Hindu ancestors.

What is certainly not laughable is the hatred you have for Muslims. Like I mentioned had the Mughals or Delhi Sultans been Hindu or Buddhist you and your fellow Bhakts would have never considered them foreigners. This idea that a Buddhist from Afghanistan is Indian and then his grandson becomes Muslim that he is a then a foreign invader is based on a hatred for Islam.

And Muslims identify with the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire not because of their "barbarity". It was because of the massive influence they had on our culture. From architecture, cuisine, language, literature, clothing, etc. They contributed more to the present day culture of Pakistan and North India then any other dynasty.

Last point, all Kings either took the throne by force, or their ancestor took the King by force. No one became King by peaceful means.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
The founder of the Delhi Sultanate, Mohammed Ghori, was also the descent of a Buddhist convert. In fact 100% of the Delhi Sultans would have had Buddhist or Hindu ancestors. And 18 of the 21 of Mughal Emperors had Hindu ancestors.

What is certainly not laughable is the hatred you have for Muslims. Like I mentioned had the Mughals or Delhi Sultans been Hindu or Buddhist you and your fellow Bhakts would have never considered them foreigners. This idea that a Buddhist from Afghanistan is Indian and then his grandson becomes Muslim that he is a then a foreign invader is based on a hatred for Islam.

And Muslims identify with the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire not because of their "barbarity". It was because of the massive influence they had on our culture. From architecture, cuisine, language, literature, clothing, etc. They contributed more to the present day culture of Pakistan and North India then any other dynasty.

Last point, all Kings either took the throne by force, or their ancestor took the King by force. No one became King by peaceful means.
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The hatred for Ghurid rulers is because they destroyed local Hindu temples including ones in Varanasi, not only were they invaders but destroyed local worshipping temples they are obviously not going to be liked by people who related to Hinduism.

It’s symbolic dislike for other religions and on top of that being from and outside.

Mughal Empire(Akbar onwards) is a different case I do agree they are of Indian importance but just like Pakistan associates itself with Ghazni Ghori , Hindus in India associate themselves with Hindu kings.
 
JaDed said:
The hatred for Ghurid rulers is because they destroyed local Hindu temples including ones in Varanasi, not only were they invaders but destroyed local worshipping temples they are obviously not going to be liked by people who related to Hinduism.

It’s symbolic dislike for other religions and on top of that being from and outside.

Mughal Empire(Akbar onwards) is a different case I do agree they are of Indian importance but just like Pakistan associates itself with Ghazni Ghori , Hindus in India associate themselves with Hindu kings.
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That's fine to hate them because they destroyed some temples. However what does not make sense is to view Afghanistan as part of ancient India because it was Hindu/Buddhist, and then to view Kings from their as foreign invaders.

I have tried to get an answer to this question to no avail. Had the Ghurid Dynasty not converted to Islam and stayed Buddhist, would anyone view the Delhi Sultanate as foreign? How can a Buddhist King of the Ghurid Dynasty be Indian, but then one of his descendants converts to Islam and then he is a foreigner?

Does destroying a mandir mean you are no longer Indian? The Gujarat Sultanate were Muslim Rajputs. They also destroyed some mandirs. Are they no longer Indian?

Pakistanis would not view Ranjeet Singh as a foreign invader even though he killed Muslims for cow slaughter, made the Badshai mosque a horse stable, made Muslims pay discriminatory taxes. Is it not possible to dislike a King without viewing him as a foreigner?
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
That's fine to hate them because they destroyed some temples. However what does not make sense is to view Afghanistan as part of ancient India because it was Hindu/Buddhist, and then to view Kings from their as foreign invaders.

I have tried to get an answer to this question to no avail. Had the Ghurid Dynasty not converted to Islam and stayed Buddhist, would anyone view the Delhi Sultanate as foreign? How can a Buddhist King of the Ghurid Dynasty be Indian, but then one of his descendants converts to Islam and then he is a foreigner?

Does destroying a mandir mean you are no longer Indian? The Gujarat Sultanate were Muslim Rajputs. They also destroyed some mandirs. Are they no longer Indian?

Pakistanis would not view Ranjeet Singh as a foreign invader even though he killed Muslims for cow slaughter, made the Badshai mosque a horse stable, made Muslims pay discriminatory taxes. Is it not possible to dislike a King without viewing him as a foreigner?
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I think only Gandhara (Kandahar) is considered to be part of ancient “Hindu” India due to it being mentioned in epics , not the entirety of Afganistán..

Ghurids themselves trace it to Iranian past(I can be corrected here) thereby being invaders technically..
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
That's fine to hate them because they destroyed some temples. However what does not make sense is to view Afghanistan as part of ancient India because it was Hindu/Buddhist, and then to view Kings from their as foreign invaders.

I have tried to get an answer to this question to no avail. Had the Ghurid Dynasty not converted to Islam and stayed Buddhist, would anyone view the Delhi Sultanate as foreign? How can a Buddhist King of the Ghurid Dynasty be Indian, but then one of his descendants converts to Islam and then he is a foreigner?

Does destroying a mandir mean you are no longer Indian? The Gujarat Sultanate were Muslim Rajputs. They also destroyed some mandirs. Are they no longer Indian?

Pakistanis would not view Ranjeet Singh as a foreign invader even though he killed Muslims for cow slaughter, made the Badshai mosque a horse stable, made Muslims pay discriminatory taxes. Is it not possible to dislike a King without viewing him as a foreigner?
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Forget just temples. Just take a look at what a couple of them did - the number of people they slaughtered and the institutions that they brought down. Nalanda for example - was burned to the ground. The monks of the place were burned alive - along with almost 9 M books - in what was the largest library in the world at the time.

They subjugated people with taxes and massacred people for not converting. I'm not sure what your question is? What you are asking is like me asking if Mohammed did not fly on his horse to Al Aqsa and instead landed in Persopolis? Would Islam exist today or would you be Zoarastrian?
 
JaDed said:
I think only Gandhara (Kandahar) is considered to be part of ancient “Hindu” India due to it being mentioned in epics , not the entirety of Afganistán..

Ghurids themselves trace it to Iranian past(I can be corrected here) thereby being invaders technically..
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Don't Pakistanis consider themselves to be Central Asian too? I remember reading something about that here. In fact I believe there was a case made for Pakistanis being Italians as well.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
That's fine to hate them because they destroyed some temples. However what does not make sense is to view Afghanistan as part of ancient India because it was Hindu/Buddhist, and then to view Kings from their as foreign invaders.

I have tried to get an answer to this question to no avail. Had the Ghurid Dynasty not converted to Islam and stayed Buddhist, would anyone view the Delhi Sultanate as foreign? How can a Buddhist King of the Ghurid Dynasty be Indian, but then one of his descendants converts to Islam and then he is a foreigner?

Does destroying a mandir mean you are no longer Indian? The Gujarat Sultanate were Muslim Rajputs. They also destroyed some mandirs. Are they no longer Indian?

Pakistanis would not view Ranjeet Singh as a foreign invader even though he killed Muslims for cow slaughter, made the Badshai mosque a horse stable, made Muslims pay discriminatory taxes. Is it not possible to dislike a King without viewing him as a foreigner?
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Breaking temples was not a reason to dislike the Sultanate. The Sultanate first considered themselves Turkic/Persians and not of the local populace. Second they were looking to wipe out the existing culture and convert the existing populace to Islam just like they were by the Ghaznavids. The killings, economic exploitation and other intimidatory tactics involved in this process is what sets them apart over and above the breaking of temples etc.

The renaming of an entire mountain range called the Hindu Kush itself should be indication of the amount of carnage people witnessed at that time.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
Forget just temples. Just take a look at what a couple of them did - the number of people they slaughtered and the institutions that they brought down. Nalanda for example - was burned to the ground. The monks of the place were burned alive - along with almost 9 M books - in what was the largest library in the world at the time.
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So? Thats how the world was back then. Everyone did it. You dont become King without being violent. Romans killed plenty of people. Europeans are not crying about it today. They see the massive contribution they made to European culture.

LongtimeLurk3r said:
They subjugated people with taxes and massacred people for not converting. I'm not sure what your question is? What you are asking is like me asking if Mohammed did not fly on his horse to Al Aqsa and instead landed in Persopolis? Would Islam exist today or would you be Zoarastrian?
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The question is why are Muslim Kings seen as foreigners? What is the criteria to be a foreign King?

Hindu/Sikh Kings valued the lives of cows over Muslims. They also made Muslims pay discriminatory taxes. Are they considered foreign?

LongtimeLurk3r said:
They subjugated people with taxes and massacred people for not converting. I'm not sure what your question is? What you are asking is like me asking if Mohammed did not fly on his horse to Al Aqsa and instead landed in Persopolis? Would Islam exist today or would you be Zoarastrian?
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Complete b s. Had they done that the heart of their empire, UP, would not been only 15% Muslim in 1941, it would have been 100% Muslim. They had very little interest in conversion, and it was the regions outside of the Hindu caste system that became Muslim.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
Breaking temples was not a reason to dislike the Sultanate. The Sultanate first considered themselves Turkic/Persians and not of the local populace.
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Maybe the first generation did, however subsequent generations did not as they mixed with the native population. And even if the mixed subsequent generations did not view themselves as local, it doesn't change the fact that's what they were. Locals. Mohammed Ghori and Babur might be foreigners, but Ibrahim Lodhi and Bahdaur Shah Zafar were not.

I think Sultans/Mughals marrying Hindu women and raising children as Muslim is the real issue.

LongtimeLurk3r said:
Second they were looking to wipe out the existing culture and convert the existing populace to Islam just like they were by the Ghaznavids. The killings, economic exploitation and other intimidatory tactics involved in this process is what sets them apart over and above the breaking of temples etc.
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They did not force Hindus or even Muslims to follow their culture. However ultimately people want to follow the culture of the elite. And that culture starts to dominate. So in this case the Sultants and Mughals were from C.Asia, and adopted the Persian culture. However they intermarried with the Hindu elite, so the culture was a mix of C.Asian/Persian/Indian culture. This also called Indo-Persian culture, and its the dominant culture of North India and Pakistan. Among Hindus and Muslims.

Anyway today no one is forcing Hindus to follow this culture anymore. For example Hindu women do not have to wear shalwar kameez, Hindu men do not have to wear Sherwani, etc. If they want to discard this culture they are free to do so.

LongtimeLurk3r said:
The renaming of an entire mountain range called the Hindu Kush itself should be indication of the amount of carnage people witnessed at that time.
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Another meaning of Hindu Kush, is Mountains of India. I personally think that meaning is correct not the one you are referring to.

However lets say you are right, and it means Killer of Hindus. What that is referring to is slaves from the subcontinent being taken to C.Asia. And alot of them died on the way their. Those slaves would have mixed in with the C.Asian population. Why do you care you are not related to them? Slavery was common all over the world. The descendants of those slaves must live in C.Asia.
 
JaDed said:
I think only Gandhara (Kandahar) is considered to be part of ancient “Hindu” India due to it being mentioned in epics , not the entirety of Afganistán..

Ghurids themselves trace it to Iranian past(I can be corrected here) thereby being invaders technically..
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That's fair, if you don't consider the entire Afghanistan to be part of India. Even then the subsequent emperors of Delhi Sultanate should be considered as locals. Anyway check the map of Akhand Bharat it includes the whole thing.
 
Stewie said:
Kashmiri Pundits should support Kashmiris right to hold their own plebiscite and decide their own fate. They will be treated well once Kashmir is rightfully restored as a part of Pakistan.
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Kashmiri Muslims in the valley do not want to be part of Pakistan. They want a independent Kashmir. Kashmiri Pandits though should indeed support that. They dont believe in the two nation theory, so that means they should feel closer to Kashmiri Muslims then Hindus from the rest of India.

However the reality in the subcontinent is Hindus will feel closer to Hindus and Muslims will feel closer to Muslims. It does not matter if they are from the same ethnicity.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
Noone has prevented Lollywood to create a masterpiece about the other side.

Btw what is the other side that led to the gruesome genocide of the KPs?
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There has been no genocide in Pak Kashmir by our army. Not saying things are great in Pak Kashmir but you won't find any rape victims or unmarked graves. The point is not that Pak should make movies in IoK like we do but the bias shown in Bollywood. Now go and make a film on how China has taken Ladakh from you. Pak does make movies like "Azaadi" on the Kashmir issue. Ask the Kashmiris want they think. We have also made great drama's on the subject unlike your saas-bahu type boring rubbish.
 
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