Kashmiri Pandits hail, celebrate scrapping of Article 370

[Tiger96]

Kashmiri Pandits Celebrate On Abrogation Of Article 370

Well good to see some Kashmiris celebrating and welcoming the decision by PM Modi.

https://www.india.com/news/india/jk-kashmiri-pandits-hail-axing-of-article-370-3736988/

 

[boomboomcheema]

They are traitors to the Kashmiri cause.

 

[GBK_Fan]

People massacred and forced to flee their homeland, finally get some justice.

 

[Romali_rotti]

NEW DELHI: Displaced Kashmiri Pandits living in the national capital hailed the central government's "historic" decision of scrapping Article 370 of the Constitution and several took to the streets to celebrate the move on Monday.

People were seen celebrating, dancing and distributing sweets on the roads in Lajpat Nagar area.

"Scrapping Article 370 is a historic decision by the Modi government ..

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Tiger96]

www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthre...andits-Celebrate-On-Abrogation-Of-Article-370

Created a thread on this. Had a video of Pandits rejoicing.

 

[JaDed]

They are traitors to the Kashmiri cause.

Similarly to Punjabis on the Pakistani side, who did the same years ago.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are about 6 people in that video. Not exactly a resounding demonstration is it?

 

[Bhaijaan]

A regular Kashmiri when interviewed recently said they would burn any temple if it is made in Kashmir.

These people want freedom.
They don’t even deserve a house. Should be put behind bars and be given a treatment by the police.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837944014336557484

 

[IndoorCricket]

A regular Kashmiri when interviewed recently said they would burn any temple if it is made in Kashmir.

These people want freedom.
They don’t even deserve a house. Should be put behind bars and be given a treatment by the police.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837944014336557484

These Islamists are curse on earth. This exclusionary mindset is what make them dangerous.

 

[Bhaijaan]

These Islamists are curse on earth. This exclusionary mindset is what make them dangerous.

Then they wonder why the rest of the world hates them and wants them removed from their country asap.

 

[Kriketer]

Then they wonder why the rest of the world hates them and wants them removed from their country asap.

No different to nut jobs Hindudva Extremist you have in your government who speak nonstop venom against Muslims and your Hindudva terrorists who kill over cow and attacks Muslim homes and mosques as a usual. Don't get carried away by some random silly guy speaking hate, it's only his word while we know the atrocities Indian army has committed in IOK for 75 years against indigenous of Kashmir is far well documented by UN and Human Rights Organizations, the curfew, torture, rape, killings been a usual in IOK by your Terorrist army so spare us the one sided narrative. End your occupation and terrorism in IOK and then come talk about others. Highest militarizied region of the world, the only reason why you deployed a million army in IOK for many decades is a clear give away to keep a "forceful hold" of it... I mean if it was so yours and really yours, you wouldn't need such large oppressive army to begin with

 

[Kriketer]

These Islamists are curse on earth. This exclusionary mindset is what make them dangerous.

You have a Terrorist PM who ordered killing of 3000 innocent civilians. Spare us the nonsense of mindset where you love electing extemists. There is no such thing as Islamist, funny how the same cr*p of Western propaganda is what the padosi use but gladly all has come out in the open who really are the Terrorist Occupiers and who are the victims. There is a reason why world/UN is siding with Palestine, despite the genocide against them world has learned that proxy wars and constant invasion and occupation of Muslim countries is what has lead to turmoil. Bhakt love the bootlicking of gora champri since they are mentally enslaved from their baap dada Brits age, they went through the same under them but their Muslim hatred over runs every logic and reasonable take. Funny how these so called Islamists (ISIS) always attacked Muslims within Muslim countries but never places like Israel which kill thousands of Muslim children for a pleasure... Your types are still among the sheep who believe people from the caves took down the twin tower, yet your types are never there to respond how WTC 7 came down on its own... All gets shrugged under conspiracies but yet no firm logical explanation is ever given

 

[Bhaijaan]

You have a Terrorist PM who ordered killing of 3000 innocent civilians. Spare us the nonsense of mindset where you love electing extemists. There is no such thing as Islamist, funny how the same cr*p of Western propaganda is what the padosi use but gladly all has come out in the open who really are the Terrorist Occupiers and who are the victims. There is a reason why world/UN is siding with Palestine, despite the genocide against them world has learned that proxy wars and constant invasion and occupation of Muslim countries is what has lead to turmoil. Bhakt love the bootlicking of gora champri since they are mentally enslaved from their baap dada Brits age, they went through the same under them but their Muslim hatred over runs every logic and reasonable take. Funny how these so called Islamists (ISIS) always attacked Muslims within Muslim countries but never places like Israel which kill thousands of Muslim children for a pleasure... Your types are still among the sheep who believe people from the caves took down the twin tower, yet your types are never there to respond how WTC 7 came down on its own... All gets shrugged under conspiracies but yet no firm logical explanation is ever given

Calm down brother.

Do you not condemn what this Muslim is openly speaking against Hinduism

 

[big_gamer007]

A regular Kashmiri when interviewed recently said they would burn any temple if it is made in Kashmir.

These people want freedom.
They don’t even deserve a house. Should be put behind bars and be given a treatment by the police.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837944014336557484

If you are quoting any news then I suggest your words be accurate, the guy is talking about his village “gaon” and not entire Kashmir.

Now coming to the topic, even if his village is 100% Muslim village, if the government decides to make temple on government land or any individual buys land and makes a temple on the land with permission from the government, it does not give any right to this nutcase to demolish the temple.

His statements reek of hatred and should be taken as a hate crime and FIR registered.

 

[Kriketer]

Calm down brother.

Do you not condemn what this Muslim is openly speaking against Hinduism

I am calm, but bhakts and their hatefilled gibberish deserve a reality check. I am no brother to people who spew hatred for Muslims and you have done that on this website many times, you are a prime example of "baghal mein chuuri, mu mein Ram Ram". We can see the deep hatred Bhakts carry for Muslims all over social media and in your government.

Now answer for the actual atrocities committed by Indian army on Kashmiris in IOK for 75 years which are all well documented by human rights organisations and other facts I have pointed out

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Calm down brother.

Do you not condemn what this Muslim is openly speaking against Hinduism

What is a Hindutwa extremist?

As you seem to be very informative on the subjective of extremism. Can you elaborate.

I personally think Modhi falls in to the category of a Hindutwa extremist, but I'm all ears with your expertise views.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I have clearly mentioned that he's being stupid for saying that, those are just words. I am calm, but bhakts and their hatefilled gibberish deserve a reality check. I am no brother to people who spew hatred for Muslims and you have done that on this website many times, you are a prime example of "baghal mein chuuri, mu mein Ram Ram". We can see the deep hatred Bhakts carry for Muslims all over social media and in your government.

Now answer for the actual atrocities committed by Indian army on Kashmiris in IOK for 75 years which are all well documented by human rights organisations and other facts I have pointed out

What about the Kashmiri pandit exodus?

The Muslims in the valley for decades killed thousands of Hindus and forced them to leave.

The justice for that has not yet been served.

It will.

 

[Bhaijaan]

If you are quoting any news then I suggest your words be accurate, the guy is talking about his village “gaon” and not entire Kashmir.

Now coming to the topic, even if his village is 100% Muslim village, if the government decides to make temple on government land or any individual buys land and makes a temple on the land with permission from the government, it does not give any right to this nutcase to demolish the temple.

His statements reek of hatred and should be taken as a hate crime and FIR registered.

Why would he not allow a Hindu temple in his village?

Who is he to say he will burn a temple?

The valley has a Hindu history dating back 5000 years

 

[big_gamer007]

Why would he not allow a Hindu temple in his village?

Who is he to say he will burn a temple?

The valley has a Hindu history dating back 5000 years

Why are you asking me? I don’t know the dude, he’s probably some whacko or brainwashed 2-bit low IQ retard like millions of others.

I just pointed out the inaccuracy in your post while quoting a news story.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Why are you asking me? I don’t know the dude, he’s probably some whacko or brainwashed 2-bit low IQ retard like millions of others.

I just pointed out the inaccuracy in your post while quoting a news story.

Thanks, i agree with you that he’s some whacko brainwashed low IQ Islamist retard.

But they must not be let free like that

The govt must terminate such terrorist minded people.

 

[Kriketer]

What about the Kashmiri pandit exodus?

The Muslims in the valley for decades killed thousands of Hindus and forced them to leave.

The justice for that has not yet been served.

It will.

Go easy with your Hindudva extremist dhamkis here, this is not your usual Godi Bhakt get together. Many Muslim were killed by Hindus while they were migrating to Pakistan, many Muslims have been killed by your terrorist army in IOK for 75 years, for all those justice is pending and it will be served as well.

As for exodus, partitions are not rosey stories so both sides have suffered. Kashmir has been heavily populated by Muslims for centuries, it was 96% Muslim in early 1900s so this false fabrication of presenting it like only one side faced agony is a lie when those so called Pandits also attacked Muslim villages and lit up Muslim homes with where many families were burned alive. It will be a vicious cycle of who did what and when but your Muslim hatred is the reason why you as a society are downing in Muslim hatred and it's also mixed with avenging Muslim Moghuls ruling your Hindu generations for centuries. If Muslims really were/are the way you describe then trust me Muslim Moghuls were well capable of forcing conversions in every household of yours, they didn't hence you are over a billion Hindu in just one country.

There are over 250 million Muslim living peacefully among you, pull your heads out of hatefilled gutters or else another Pakistan will be carved out in coming times if you keep going down the Muslim hatred spiral in your society. I don't wish for suffering and hate for anyone and I hope we all can move forward and keep peace without spreading ills in our society and among our children

 

[Bhaijaan]

Go easy with your Hindudva extremist dhamkis here, this is not your usual Godi Bhakt get together. Many Muslim were killed by Hindus while they were migrating to Pakistan, many Muslims have been killed by your terrorist army in IOK for 75 years, for all those justice is pending and it will be served as well.

As for exodus, partitions are not rosey stories so both sides have suffered. Kashmir has been heavily populated by Muslims for centuries, it was 96% Muslim in early 1900s so this false fabrication of presenting it like only one side faced agony is a lie when those so called Pandits also attacked Muslim villages and lit up Muslim homes with where many families were burned alive. It will be a vicious cycle of who did what and when but your Muslim hatred is the reason why you as a society are downing in Muslim hatred and it's also mixed with avenging Muslim Moghuls ruling your Hindu generations for centuries. If Muslims really were/are the way you describe then trust me Muslim Moghuls were well capable of forcing conversions in every household of yours, they didn't hence you are over a billion Hindu in just one country.

There are over 250 million Muslim living peacefully among you, pull your heads out of hatefilled gutters or else another Pakistan will be carved out in coming times if you keep going down the Muslim hatred spiral in your society. I don't wish for suffering and hate for anyone and I hope we all can move forward and keep peace without spreading ills in our society and among our children

There can be no dialogue with terrorists. Until Sanatanis are not rehabilitated in Kashmir which is our homeland we will not settle.

We will build thousands of temples in Kashmir for it belongs to Sanatan before to any other foreign religion. Let anybody dare stop us.

 

[Kriketer]

There can be no dialogue with terrorists. Until Sanatanis are not rehabilitated in Kashmir which is our homeland we will not settle.

We will build thousands of temples in Kashmir for it belongs to Sanatan before to any other foreign religion. Let anybody dare stop us.

No wonder your Hindudva Terorrists have so much in common with the Terrorists of Israel. Dare to stop? One can only lol at the stupidity of the Godi Bhakts

 

[Bhaijaan]

No wonder your Hindudva Terorrists have so much in common with the Terrorists of Israel. Dare to stop? One can only lol at the stupidity of the Godi Bhakts

Israelis are terrorists because they are defending their ancient Jewish homeland? The only Jewish state in the world?

Against Muslims who have 50* countries but still wouldn’t accommodate Palestinians. Crocodile tears only.

 

[Kriketer]

Israelis are terrorists because they are defending their ancient Jewish homeland? The only Jewish state in the world?

Against Muslims who have 50* countries but still wouldn’t accommodate Palestinians. Crocodile tears only.

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This is what happens when you use gibberish instead of facts. There were 6% indigenous Palestinain Jews living peacefully among indigenous Palestinain Muslims and Christians for many years, and then came the boats filled with Europeans in WW2 whose ancient ancestors moved to Europe thousands of years ago and blended in to become compete Europeans and since West wanted their European colony in Middle East hence came Israel. Go read up Al Nakba Holocaust of Palestinians where 1 million indigenous Palestinians were kicked out and thousands killed by the Europeans coming on boats invadung and occupying, sad part is they were escaping the same atrocities of other Europeans of Germany. The bleach blondes have been trying hard to fool the world by saying they are Indigenous to Middle East of brown ppl, Jesus was brown too, not the European blue eyed version they have in their churches, you probably didn't know that either because you Bhakts are too busy appeasing the White since that's all you have done throughout your generations, mentally enslaved. Atleast I gave you a bit of a short history lesson, the rest you can Google yourself if you put your islamophobia on the side.

As for 50 Muslim countries, whether it be 50 or 500....we can't throw you and your family out of your home and ask you to move in to another Bhakt house, same logic applies

 

[IndoorCricket]

You have a Terrorist PM who ordered killing of 3000 innocent civilians. Spare us the nonsense of mindset where you love electing extemists. There is no such thing as Islamist, funny how the same cr*p of Western propaganda is what the padosi use but gladly all has come out in the open who really are the Terrorist Occupiers and who are the victims. There is a reason why world/UN is siding with Palestine, despite the genocide against them world has learned that proxy wars and constant invasion and occupation of Muslim countries is what has lead to turmoil. Bhakt love the bootlicking of gora champri since they are mentally enslaved from their baap dada Brits age, they went through the same under them but their Muslim hatred over runs every logic and reasonable take. Funny how these so called Islamists (ISIS) always attacked Muslims within Muslim countries but never places like Israel which kill thousands of Muslim children for a pleasure... Your types are still among the sheep who believe people from the caves took down the twin tower, yet your types are never there to respond how WTC 7 came down on its own... All gets shrugged under conspiracies but yet no firm logical explanation is ever given

Most terrorists belong to one religion. Most terror attacks aroudn the globe are done by members of one religion. Most terror outfits have only one religion. You need to introspect why this is the case before you puke non-sense all over the place. The original post was condeming an Islamist and here you are comparing to some rando mumbo-jumbo. You need to get some help.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This is what happens when you use gibberish instead of facts. There were 6% indigenous Palestinain Jews living peacefully among indigenous Palestinain Muslims and Christians for many years, and then came the boats filled with Europeans in WW2 whose ancient ancestors moved to Europe thousands of years ago and blended in to become compete Europeans and since West wanted their European colony in Middle East hence came Israel. Go read up Al Nakba Holocaust of Palestinians where 1 million indigenous Palestinians were kicked out and thousands killed by the Europeans coming on boats invadung and occupying, sad part is they were escaping the same atrocities of other Europeans of Germany. The bleach blondes have been trying hard to fool the world by saying they are Indigenous to Middle East of brown ppl, Jesus was brown too, not the European blue eyed version they have in their churches, you probably didn't know that either because you Bhakts are too busy appeasing the White since that's all you have done throughout your generations, mentally enslaved. Atleast I gave you a bit of a short history lesson, the rest you can Google yourself if you put your islamophobia on the side.

As for 50 Muslim countries, whether it be 50 or 500....we can't throw you and your family out of your home and ask you to move in to another Bhakt house, same logic applies

50 countries cannot accommodate a few million Palestinians.

Because some of you believe every land belongs to your religion only. This is what we call Islamist mindset.

 

[big_gamer007]

Thanks, i agree with you that he’s some whacko brainwashed low IQ Islamist retard.

But they must not be let free like that

The govt must terminate such terrorist minded people.

1. What do you mean by terminate?

2. It is not the job of government, it’s the job of police to investigate/make a strong case and then the courts to punish.

As Indians the most important issue which every Indian should force the government to work on is to make the systems competent and corruption free, if that happens India will automatically become a first world country in couple decades.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There are one billion Hindus in Indian. India has a greater size and population than the Arab world.

The world's largest Hindu state could easily accommodate the Hindu Kashmiris within that larger area and respect the UN secretary general who has called for implementation of UN resolutions demanding a vote in Kashmir.

Instead they want to inflict misery and human rights abuses on innocent Muslims.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Most terrorists belong to one religion. Most terror attacks aroudn the globe are done by members of one religion. Most terror outfits have only one religion. You need to introspect why this is the case before you puke non-sense all over the place. The original post was condeming an Islamist and here you are comparing to some rando mumbo-jumbo. You need to get some help.

This isn't cricket where you need to look at SENA stats to draw conclusions.

Actually let's use cricket lingo. Extremist Hindus are the biggest HTBs of terrorism and human rights abuses. What they have done in India and occupied Kashmir is unparalleled to any country in the world.

Extreme Hindus bring up cartoons but let's be real. Hindus have killed more people over cows than Muslims have over cartoons.

The only difference is Muslims have performed some terrorism in SENA countries while Hindus have dominated at home.

 

[sweep_shot]

There are one billion Hindus in Indian. India has a greater size and population than the Arab world.

The world's largest Hindu state could easily accommodate the Hindu Kashmiris within that larger area and respect the UN secretary general who has called for implementation of UN resolutions demanding a vote in Kashmir.

Instead they want to inflict misery and human rights abuses on innocent Muslims.

Exactly.

India should respect UN Resolution 47 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47) and allow the referendum to take place in Kashmir.

 

[JaDed]

There are one billion Hindus in Indian. India has a greater size and population than the Arab world.

The world's largest Hindu state could easily accommodate the Hindu Kashmiris within that larger area and respect the UN secretary general who has called for implementation of UN resolutions demanding a vote in Kashmir.

Instead they want to inflict misery and human rights abuses on innocent Muslims.

India is the most populated country in the world.. 7th in size..if anything many countries can take up more of our people just for sake of it.

Also on the suggestion , most Kashmiri Pandits have already moved out, so many in Bangalore Delhi etc..

But with scrapping of the article , the populated Indian states will probably end up buying land and settling in Kashmir.

 

[JaDed]

Exactly.

India should respect UN Resolution 47 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47) and allow the referendum to take place in Kashmir.

from your article, look at the first step.

the Resolution recommended a three-step process for the resolution of the dispute. In the first step, Pakistan was asked to withdraw all its nationals that entered Kashmir for the sake of fighting.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

from your article, look at the first step.

the Resolution recommended a three-step process for the resolution of the dispute. In the first step, Pakistan was asked to withdraw all its nationals that entered Kashmir for the sake of fighting.

Thats really up to India. India terms Kashmiri insurgents as Pakistani nationals. Pakistan has no presence in IOK.

 

[RexRex]

The world's largest Hindu state could easily accommodate the Hindu Kashmiris within that larger area and respect the UN secretary general who has called for implementation of UN resolutions demanding a vote in Kashmir.

Give Balochistan a referendum too.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India is the most populated country in the world.. 7th in size..if anything many countries can take up more of our people just for sake of it.

Also on the suggestion , most Kashmiri Pandits have already moved out, so many in Bangalore Delhi etc..

But with scrapping of the article , the populated Indian states will probably end up buying land and settling in Kashmir.

It is a very simple way to end the mess.

Even if Pandit stay they will get as much right to the fate of Kashmir as a Muslim Kashmiri.

Instead, extremists in India have used it as a way to murder and rape Muslims.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Give Balochistan a referendum too.

Please write to the UN Secretary and ask them to pass a resolution. Once they do I will support it.

I am talking about international law here, not RexRex personal desires.

 

[JaDed]

Thats really up to India. India terms Kashmiri insurgents as Pakistani nationals. Pakistan has no presence in IOK.

That process not only for Indian Kashmir but also Pakistani one.

 

[JaDed]

It is a very simple way to end the mess.

Even if Pandit stay they will get as much right to the fate of Kashmir as a Muslim Kashmiri.

Instead, extremists in India have used it as a way to murder and rape Muslims.

Did India have such an army presence there before 1987? for 40 years there was no huge presence in the valley, on borders yes no in the valley there were no Ak-47 manufacturing facilities either wonder where they came from?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That process not only for Indian Kashmir but also Pakistani one.

There is no militancy in Azad Kashmir.

Strangely it's probably one of the safest places in Pakistan

 

[JaDed]

There is no militancy in Azad Kashmir.

Strangely it's probably one of the safest places in Pakistan

It’s not about Militancy but any Army presence of Pakistanis, are they not present there?

 

[JaDed]

It’s ok this is a loop discussion that has no end point, we both can believe what we want.
@DeadlyVenom, If i was the PM i would had given the Valley freedom and taken over Ladakh, Jammu but thank god I’m not , would had been a weak leader, that would had caused India to be divided.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It’s ok this is a loop discussion that has no end point, we both can believe what we want.
@DeadlyVenom

What do you believe. That Kashmiris have no right to self determination, that a Pandit is worth more than a Muslim so there should be no vote and any one asking for independence should be brutally slaughtered?

You are better than this man.

 

[JaDed]

What do you believe. That Kashmiris have no right to self determination, that a Pandit is worth more than a Muslim so there should be no vote and any one asking for independence should be brutally slaughtered?

You are better than this man.

I had edited my upper post already.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

There is no militancy in Azad Kashmir.

Strangely it's probably one of the safest places in Pakistan

That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan needs to withdraw from PoK first as a precondition for referendum

 

[Hitman]

Most terrorists belong to one religion. Most terror attacks aroudn the globe are done by members of one religion. Most terror outfits have only one religion. You need to introspect why this is the case before you puke non-sense all over the place. The original post was condeming an Islamist and here you are comparing to some rando mumbo-jumbo. You need to get some help.

Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age ..... and a terrorist it's religion.

 

[RexRex]

Please write to the UN Secretary and ask them to pass a resolution. Once they do I will support it.

I am talking about international law here, not RexRex personal desires.

Baloch people want freedom. Their freedom fighters are organising and creating massive headaches for the Pak army, they want their voices to be heard. Why won't Pak govt grant them a referendum like the UK did for Scotland ? Don't you care about self-determination ?

 

[Bhaijaan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838115762386399390

 

[Bhaijaan]

Shocked that the authorities still haven’t nabbed this terrorist.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838072329537978758

 

[Hitman]

Full interview.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838046193072390579

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Baloch people want freedom. Their freedom fighters are organising and creating massive headaches for the Pak army, they want their voices to be heard. Why won't Pak govt grant them a referendum like the UK did for Scotland ? Don't you care about self-determination ?

Scotland elected a Pro Independence government and formally requested independence in accordance with UK law.

Kashmir is a recognised disputed territory by the United Nations.

Balochistan is the same as your Naxals or Manipur. In fact I'd wager that more people have been killed in these Indian insurgencies than in Balochistan.

 

[RexRex]

Scotland elected a Pro Independence government and formally requested independence in accordance with UK law.

Kashmir is a recognised disputed territory by the United Nations.

Balochistan is the same as your Naxals or Manipur. In fact I'd wager that more people have been killed in these Indian insurgencies than in Balochistan.

So it's okay for Pak army to inflict human rights abuses on Baloch people, simply because they don't have some obscure UN resolution that happened 70 years ago and nobody even talks about now ?

You brought up the 'misery and human rights abuses in Kashmir' but not in Balochistan ? Yea sorry but your show of concern for your fellow human beings is fake.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

So it's okay for Pak army to inflict human rights abuses on Baloch people, simply because they don't have some obscure UN resolution that happened 70 years ago and nobody even talks about now ?

You brought up the 'misery and human rights abuses in Kashmir' but not in Balochistan ? Yea sorry but your show of concern for your fellow human beings is fake.

There is now expiry date for UN resolutions.

My position is quite clear and in accordance with laws.

Your position is erratic and inconsistent. Ive explained why the Baloch issue is different to your examples...but it's similar to the examples I've given in Manipur and the Naxal movements.

You pick and choose what you find suitable whereas I stay on the side of international law. Always.

 

[RexRex]

There is now expiry date for UN resolutions.

My position is quite clear and in accordance with laws.

Your position is erratic and inconsistent. Ive explained why the Baloch issue is different to your examples...but it's similar to the examples I've given in Manipur and the Naxal movements.

You pick and choose what you find suitable whereas I stay on the side of international law. Always.

Great, so stop pretending you care about human rights abuses because you clearly dont .. ur more interested in legal technicalities.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Great, so stop pretending you care about human rights abuses because you clearly dont .. ur more interested in legal technicalities.

The legal "technicalities" are a result of human rights abuses being documented and recognised by international bodies and not Rexrex.

As I said, you are inconsistent. Balochistan but not Manipur, Kashmir or Gaza.

Why? Well it's self explanatory..

 

[RexRex]

The legal "technicalities" are a result of human rights abuses being documented and recognised by international bodies and not Rexrex.

I was referring to that UN referendum clause from 1947. You hide behind that .. to justify blatant human rights abuses in Balochistan. Shame.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age ..... and a terrorist it's religion.

Wonder which religion your referring to.

Hindutva priest Yati Narsinghanand urges Hindus to take over Makkah

by Muslim Mirror Staff Yati Narsinghanand, a well-known Hindu-right wing member, has given another hate speech targeting Muslims. In his speech, he has urged Hindus to rise up and fight Muslims and…

muslimmirror.com

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I was referring to that UN referendum clause from 1947. You hide behind that .. to justify blatant human rights abuses in Balochistan. Shame.

Again my position is clear and consistent.

You hide when crimes are committed by people you support and find a conscience when they aren't and have no reasons for any of the stances you take.

That's the true shame.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Wonder which religion your referring to.

Hindutva priest Yati Narsinghanand urges Hindus to take over Makkah

by Muslim Mirror Staff Yati Narsinghanand, a well-known Hindu-right wing member, has given another hate speech targeting Muslims. In his speech, he has urged Hindus to rise up and fight Muslims and…

muslimmirror.com

Extreme Hindus when they see a video of one random guy saying he doesn't want alcoholics in his area - lock up the namazi, terrorist, Islam is violent.

Extreme Hindus when their army murders rapes and kills - *Indian head shake and smile*

 

[RexRex]

@DeadlyVenom By they way, are you aware that Balochistan was forcibly annexed by Pakistan in 1947 ? They didn't want to join your country. Most people in Pakistan don't even know this terrible history.

How Balochistan became a part of Pakistan – a historical perspective

Balochistan consists of the south west of Pakistan. In the west it borders with Afghanistan and Iran and in the south it has the Arabian Sea. It accounts for

www.nation.com.pk

 

[RexRex]

Again my position is clear and consistent.

You hide when crimes are committed by people you support and find a conscience when they aren't and have no reasons for any of the stances you take.

That's the true shame.

Still no concern shown by you for the oppressed Baloch people; only fake concern for Kashmiris. Shame on u DV, I expected better. Hiding behind a resolution.

 

[HalBass9]

Full interview.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838046193072390579

Preparing Indians to commit Israel kind of ethnic cleaning and genocide of Kashmiri Muslims.

 

[Kriketer]

Most terrorists belong to one religion. Most terror attacks aroudn the globe are done by members of one religion. Most terror outfits have only one religion. You need to introspect why this is the case before you puke non-sense all over the place. The original post was condeming an Islamist and here you are comparing to some rando mumbo-jumbo. You need to get some help.

Mumbo jumbo is the nonsense you folks spew. Spare us the nonsense of Western propaganda, before fabricated 9/11 islamophobes like you couldn't even pin point Muslim countries on the map. You have a Terorirst PM who pukes nonsense against Muslims and Moghuls etc on a regular basis and one who allowed 3000 innocent Muslim to be slaughtered.

 

[Kriketer]

Wonder which religion your referring to.

Hindutva priest Yati Narsinghanand urges Hindus to take over Makkah

by Muslim Mirror Staff Yati Narsinghanand, a well-known Hindu-right wing member, has given another hate speech targeting Muslims. In his speech, he has urged Hindus to rise up and fight Muslims and…

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Must be referring to Hindudva aatankis

 

[Kriketer]

50 countries cannot accommodate a few million Palestinians.

Because some of you believe every land belongs to your religion only. This is what we call Islamist mindset.

Why do you have to use your Hindudva extremist Bhakt mindset? There are many Hindu states in India, just keep those pundits there . Just using your logic but you won't like it

As for Palestinians, it will always belong the the indigenous and not the European invaders. Perhaps you in India can give Israelis a huge land, once they keep you in open air prison and bomb you at their will to steal lands and homes, then you might understand the perspective. You actually did go through all that when Brits ruled you, but you haven't learned

 

[Red-Indian]

What do you believe. That Kashmiris have no right to self determination, that a Pandit is worth more than a Muslim so there should be no vote and any one asking for independence should be brutally slaughtered?

You are better than this man.

I'm not sure why you guys are so obsessed with the Kashmiri right to self determination.

India didn't get any referendum when it was split from the British empire. Neither did Pakistan. Baluchistan didn't get to choose whether it wanted to join Afghanistan, Pakistan or be free. Neither did Texas, Northern Ireland, Catalunya, Kurdistan or a hundred other places. In fact, the only referendum I can recall on self-determination is Scotland.

 

[Hikaru]

Full interview.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838046193072390579

Read his expressions, in his mind, he didn't even say something controversial. Burning of temples seems like such a normal activity that he almost sees this as a fundamental right.

 

[uppercut]

There are one billion Hindus in Indian. India has a greater size and population than the Arab world.

The world's largest Hindu state could easily accommodate the Hindu Kashmiris within that larger area and respect the UN secretary general who has called for implementation of UN resolutions demanding a vote in Kashmir.

The Muslim countries have a lot more land mass and much less population density so why dont you propose that solution to settle the Palestine + Kashmir issue by relocating the Muslims to lands where they feel more at home ?

Instead they want to inflict misery and human rights abuses on innocent Muslims.

So the dude in the video is an innocent Muslim according to you ? He has no qualms burning down temples on Camera while standing in Indian territory

 

[Bhaijaan]

The Muslim countries have a lot more land mass and much less population density so why dont you propose that solution to settle the Palestine + Kashmir issue by relocating the Muslims to lands where they feel more at home ?




So the dude in the video is an innocent Muslim according to you ? He has no qualms burning down temples on Camera while standing in Indian territory

You may hate him but he’s being true to his religion. He’s speaking on live TV because he fears nothing but the almighty. Your colleague Zain who drives a Seltos GTX with whom you planned going to the Coldplay concert has the same feelings in his heart for Hindus but he won’t say it openly.

 

[Hitman]

Read his expressions, in his mind, he didn't even say something controversial. Burning of temples seems like such a normal activity that he almost sees this as a fundamental right.

I don't even care anymore. Nor am I surprised at anything. It was always this way. The only thing is Hindus have lately learned to reply in the same tone.

 

[Hitman]

I don't even care anymore. Nor am I surprised at anything. It was always this way. The only thing is Hindus have lately learned to reply in the same tone.

Although I deeply regret the Gujarat riots. An extremely shameful episode in our history. Killing innocent people in retribution is never justified irrespective of whether Muslims started it or not.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The Muslim countries have a lot more land mass and much less population density so why dont you propose that solution to settle the Palestine + Kashmir issue by relocating the Muslims to lands where they feel more at home ?




So the dude in the video is an innocent Muslim according to you ? He has no qualms burning down temples on Camera while standing in Indian territory

Lol at no qualms. Has he burnt anything down?

He expressed a controversial opinion after decades of brutality from Indian army.

So what?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I'm not sure why you guys are so obsessed with the Kashmiri right to self determination.

India didn't get any referendum when it was split from the British empire. Neither did Pakistan. Baluchistan didn't get to choose whether it wanted to join Afghanistan, Pakistan or be free. Neither did Texas, Northern Ireland, Catalunya, Kurdistan or a hundred other places. In fact, the only referendum I can recall on self-determination is Scotland.

So because some other countries didn't get to chose them Kashmir shouldn't?

You can list the human rights abuses in those countries by the so called occupiers and compare with Kashmir. Then you will see why the situation is different.

 

[Red-Indian]

So because some other countries didn't get to chose them Kashmir shouldn't?

You can list the human rights abuses in those countries by the so called occupiers and compare with Kashmir. Then you will see why the situation is different.

I'm guessing both of us consume news from different sources so I suppose we have different perceptions of the extent of human rights abuses in Kashmir and other places. For example, I see Balochistan as a sort of hellhole where thousands of men are disappeared each year and Kurdistan as an area where 3 countries have committed a sort of genocide. You see Kashmir as place where the Indian army has killed and tortured thousands.

What is clear though that a plebiscite is impossible. No country - especially a young and developing one (which means 90 of all countries) will countenance a plebiscite on secession in it's territory. We might as well give up on the concept of the nation state if we're going to allow every province that feels disaffected to start deciding whether it wants to secede or join another country. Maybe in a future age, that could be the case where we have more fluid national boundaries but I'm pretty sure that India's not standing in line to be the herald of this new age of self determination.

Maybe a further word on the human rights abuses since I was perhaps a little cavalier about it. I cannot deny the Indian government and military have made mistakes there in trying to suppress the secession movement. They've also made mistakes in Punjab, Nagaland, Manipur and a couple of other places where similar movements emerged. I wish things were dealt with more judiciously (as I'm sure you do with secession movements in N Ireland and Balochistan) but I understand the difficult circumstances they faced.

Finally, I have personally visited Kashmir a couple of times including last year and can't claim that my personal experience is what the locals perceive but it came off to me a vibrant, prosperous place with a booming tourism industry and rapidly building infrastructure. I think the Indian State has realised that the way forward is more carrot than stick.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Finally, I have personally visited Kashmir a couple of times including last year and can't claim that my personal experience is what the locals perceive but it came off to me a vibrant, prosperous place with a booming tourism industry and rapidly building infrastructure. I think the Indian State has realised that the way forward is more carrot than stick.

That was always more likely to work than coercion. But the true test comes when the personal beliefs and way of life is threatened by forced change. Kashmiris in Pakistan are still relatively conservative compared to the more modern city dwellers of Karachi or Lahore. KPK it is even more so where they will go to war with anyone trying to bring something which impinges on their Islamic way of life.

That is why I would imagine Kashmiris from the Indian side would welcome investment and freedom to carry out their day to day lives. But they won't accept any foreign culture imposed on them, or laws which diminish their rights as Muslims.

 

[uppercut]

Lol at no qualms. Has he burnt anything down?

Just like the many Hindus who issue verbal threats then?

He expressed a controversial opinion after decades of brutality from Indian army.

You always have issues identifying the true origins of the conflict. Lookup how the entire Kashmir region was ar one time a 100% Non-Muslim many centuries ago and how the original inhabitants were either forced to convert driven out or just massacred by many a barbarians. The last episode happened in 1990.

So what?

Very simple ... Just don't complain when you get your own meds dished out to you.

 

[Red-Indian]

That was always more likely to work than coercion. But the true test comes when the personal beliefs and way of life is threatened by forced change. Kashmiris in Pakistan are still relatively conservative compared to the more modern city dwellers of Karachi or Lahore. KPK it is even more so where they will go to war with anyone trying to bring something which impinges on their Islamic way of life.

That is why I would imagine Kashmiris from the Indian side would welcome investment and freedom to carry out their day to day lives. But they won't accept any foreign culture imposed on them, or laws which diminish their rights as Muslims.

Some change is inevitable.

- Hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris (especially young Kashmiris) now live outside Kashmir in various Indian cities and while they do tend to be more conservative than local Muslims, they have slowly changed. I'm not sure whether their parents back home would approve but the couple of Kashmiri young women who joined together 2 years ago in my team no longer wear the Hijab though they still dress very soberly
- A lot of outsiders have moved into the Valley since the repeal of Article 370 and while there are some tensions with the locals, the interactions are bringing change
- 3 Million tourists will visit Kashmir this year and they're increasingly looking beyond the traditional Dal Lake - Pahalgam - Gulmarg circuit and new destinations which were unexposed to the outer world are seeing a big influx of tourists with the resulting need to think beyond the way they've always lived

I can only hope that the powers have be have realised that a 'softly softly' approach and letting the Kashmiris slowly adapt to change and integrate with the rest of India is the better approach in the long run. For a long while, I think the success of KPS Gill and his shock treatment approach in finishing the Khalistan movement coloured thinking in Indian administrative circles. It's only in the last 5-7 years that the approach has really changed.

 

[Hikaru]

All the emotional debates aside, Kashmir is settled. The worst that could happen was abrogation of Article 370 and it's been taken care of. It may continue to be an emotional issue for Pakistanis, but it's never too late to accept the reality. Indian Kashmir chapter is closed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

All the emotional debates aside, Kashmir is settled. The worst that could happen was abrogation of Article 370 and it's been taken care of. It may continue to be an emotional issue for Pakistanis, but it's never too late to accept the reality. Indian Kashmir chapter is closed.

I think it seems to be more of an emotional issue for Indians since you are bringing what Pakistanis think into it when it should be irrelevant.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Just like the many Hindus who issue verbal threats then?



You always have issues identifying the true origins of the conflict. Lookup how the entire Kashmir region was ar one time a 100% Non-Muslim many centuries ago and how the original inhabitants were either forced to convert driven out or just massacred by many a barbarians. The last episode happened in 1990.



Very simple ... Just don't complain when you get your own meds dished out to you.

What do you mean by meds being dished out?

Are you AGAIN advocating for killing?