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'Kashmiris Do Not Feel Indian, Today They'd Rather Have the Chinese Rule Them': Farooq Abdullah

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He makes a lot of good points but he’s a hypocrite - he’s never apologised for helping to rig the 1987 J&K elections. The rigging of these elections was the catalyst for the insurgency in Kashmir. Yet he has the the gall to talk about “trust”, “democracy” etc. Also, some of the biggest human right violations took place under his watch which of course he never talks about either.

His family have, since 1948, ruled Kashmir on and off for ~30 years yet what exactly have their achievements been (apart from enriching themselves)?
 
Strong interview and a much awaited kind of interview. I believe this is the first major interview of a political person or otherwise from the valley.

Given this someone was closely aligned with Indian politics and someone who is well off, the interview is so strong and heartfelt then imagine if someone interviews a normal person living in Kashmir.
 
How long before Humsaaya Mulk types show up here and mention the Uyghurs?
 
Anyhow, his son, Mir Jafar III, recently said that in spite of all that has transpired, he still wouldn’t condemn Humsaaya Mulk rule over Kashmir.

I guess the statements of father and son can be reconciled: the average Kashmiri may well prefer China over the HM, but the Abdullahs are above average.
 
his family sold the kasmiris into this situation to line their own pockets for decades. he talks well buts its all empty rhetoric, i remember an interview where he said "jiss din 370 nahin rahai ga, us din kashmir india nahin rahai ga", as soon as hes given any power in this structure, him and his family will fall in line.

our resident occupied kashmiri residents are pbly best placed to give their two cents on this tho tbh
 
Seems like a puppet who only talks
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] your views please?

Imo Kashmiris need a new leadership, the problem is if they choose anyone the Indian state doesnt like, he/she will not be able to do anything.
 
ElRaja said:
our resident occupied kashmiri residents are pbly best placed to give their two cents on this tho tbh
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I discussed this at length with [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] in July last year, when rumors were rife about the upcoming change. I was making the case for Pakistan to make some sort of rapprochement with the so-called “mainstream” parties (who are actually anything but representative of the mainstream), and make them see the benefits of moving away from their pro-HM stand and convince them that they will have a future in politics after independence. Madplayer’s exact words were that the NC and PDP are “full of serpents and vipers,” and it simply wasn’t worth considering.

These parties have made pro-Pakistan and pro-independence noises in the past too. Sheikh Abdullah himself between 1953 to 1975 was pro-independence (as head of the Plebiscite Front), and was even given a hero’s welcome in Pakistan in 1964. We know what became of that.

This statement, plus Mehbooba Mufti’s acknowledgement that they (actually the NC, so it’s a dig at her political rivals also) made a mistake in 1947, would hint at the possibility that the “mainstream” would actually become mainstream, but there has been many a false dawn in decades past.
 
These guys are extremely opportunistic, Kashmiris know they don't represent them. Now they're just trying to appease Kashmiris cause they're afraid they're lose power.
 
[MENTION=75920]Runner Up[/MENTION] can you give the exact time stamp where he says it? That's just common courtesy, no ones going to watch a 44 minute video to find the headline.
 
Nostalgic said:
I discussed this at length with [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] in July last year, when rumors were rife about the upcoming change. I was making the case for Pakistan to make some sort of rapprochement with the so-called “mainstream” parties (who are actually anything but representative of the mainstream), and make them see the benefits of moving away from their pro-HM stand and convince them that they will have a future in politics after independence. Madplayer’s exact words were that the NC and PDP are “full of serpents and vipers,” and it simply wasn’t worth considering.

These parties have made pro-Pakistan and pro-independence noises in the past too. Sheikh Abdullah himself between 1953 to 1975 was pro-independence (as head of the Plebiscite Front), and was even given a hero’s welcome in Pakistan in 1964. We know what became of that.

This statement, plus Mehbooba Mufti’s acknowledgement that they (actually the NC, so it’s a dig at her political rivals also) made a mistake in 1947, would hint at the possibility that the “mainstream” would actually become mainstream, but there has been many a false dawn in decades past.
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you are right, if one is to play the devils advocate however, the indian msm has done such an excellent job in fostering such levels of bigotry that the term "pakistani" is seen as a slur, any kashmiri politician willing to even make the smallest difference needs to know even mentioning pakistan in any non negative context, even a neutral context, is political suicide, so you will never know their real views regardless.

fwiw i dont think the pakistani establishment should mislead the kashmiri people, fundamentally pakistan wants kashmir and ladakh to be part of pakistan, anything else (including independence) leaves too many unknowns on the table imo.
 
ElRaja said:
you are right, if one is to play the devils advocate however, the indian msm has done such an excellent job in fostering such levels of bigotry that the term "pakistani" is seen as a slur, any kashmiri politician willing to even make the smallest difference needs to know even mentioning pakistan in any non negative context, even a neutral context, is political suicide, so you will never know their real views regardless.

fwiw i dont think the pakistani establishment should mislead the kashmiri people, fundamentally pakistan wants kashmir and ladakh to be part of pakistan, anything else (including independence) leaves too many unknowns on the table imo.
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I agree with the first paragraph. Even before August 2019, these guys never really explicitly condemned Pakistan. There are videos floating around of Farooq Daand (as Farooq Abdullah is popularly known as) praising Jinnah, even referring to him as Quaid-e-Azam, and other NC leaders theatrically defending Pakistan from criticism made by a planted audience member.

As for the second paragraph, the slogan “Kashmir Baney Ga Pakistan” was once incredibly popular in Pakistan. It is much less so today, because both the state and the people have caught on to the fact that Kashmiris resent this. Not because many of them oppose it, but because it assumes the result of a plebiscite as a given, which is borderline insulting and presumptuous. In my opinion it is good on Pakistan’s part to focus on the plebiscite occurring... with the unstated understanding that we would much prefer it if they opted for us.
 
To be fair, as an outsider have always felt that it is better to be a colony of a successful superpower than a failed lone state. Hence I have always thought Pakistan should be in my lifetime at least, intially an American colony, or now a Chinese colony. If Kashmir is preferring Chinese leadership, it is understandable, they at least know how to build infrastructure and energy efficiency.
 
Its my dream, if India is to ever lose Kashmir, then China takes control. Oh boy these ungrateful Kashmiri's suffering under a potential Chinese rule would be legendary...
 
Romali_rotti said:
Its my dream, if India is to ever lose Kashmir, then China takes control. Oh boy these ungrateful Kashmiri's suffering under a potential Chinese rule would be legendary...
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They may suffer under potential chinese rule but lmao why do you call them ungrateful. What have they got to be grateful for
 
Its not about India, or Indians. The real reason is that the Indo-Aryan language speakers are divided into separate Civilizations, Hindu and Muslim. There historical narratives are not reconcilable. They look at different sources of inspiration for their history. They can never be united as equals.

Had India been a Muslim majority country, Kashmiris would not have a problem relating to India or Indians.

The two nation theory did not come out of thin air.

As Sir Syed stated "Is it possible that under these circumstances two nations—the Mahomedans and the Hindus—could sit on the same throne and remain equal in power? Most certainly not. It is necessary that one of them should conquer the other and thrust it down. To hope that both could remain equal is to desire the impossible and the inconceivable."
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Its not about India, or Indians. The real reason is that the Indo-Aryan language speakers are divided into separate Civilizations, Hindu and Muslim. There historical narratives are not reconcilable. They look at different sources of inspiration for their history. They can never be united as equals.

Had India been a Muslim majority country, Kashmiris would not have a problem relating to India or Indians.

The two nation theory did not come out of thin air.

As Sir Syed stated "Is it possible that under these circumstances two nations—the Mahomedans and the Hindus—could sit on the same throne and remain equal in power? Most certainly not. It is necessary that one of them should conquer the other and thrust it down. To hope that both could remain equal is to desire the impossible and the inconceivable."
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With pakistan, the kashmiris get a common civilization, with china they get a rich country. with india, they get neither except the prestigious indian secular passport.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Its not about India, or Indians. The real reason is that the Indo-Aryan language speakers are divided into separate Civilizations, Hindu and Muslim. There historical narratives are not reconcilable. They look at different sources of inspiration for their history. They can never be united as equals.

Had India been a Muslim majority country, Kashmiris would not have a problem relating to India or Indians.

The two nation theory did not come out of thin air.

As Sir Syed stated "Is it possible that under these circumstances two nations—the Mahomedans and the Hindus—could sit on the same throne and remain equal in power? Most certainly not. It is necessary that one of them should conquer the other and thrust it down. To hope that both could remain equal is to desire the impossible and the inconceivable."
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The two nation theory is itself a failure. Not sure if it should be made a base where as, the theory fails in key points.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Seems like a puppet who only talks
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] your views please?

Imo Kashmiris need a new leadership, the problem is if they choose anyone the Indian state doesnt like, he/she will not be able to do anything.
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Farooq Abdullah is talking about a ground reality which Indians would like to overlook and ignore. Even though Farooq "daand" is the biggest two faced hypocrite liar, he is speaking the truth here. Resentment for India was always there but removal of article 370 has hit at a deeper level because it is a clear attack on the identity of Kashmir. The average Kashmiri is rooting for China knowing well that China's human rights record is horrendous. Its the case of willing to sacrifice yourself if it means your enemy will suffer.

Generally speaking, it doesnt matter to Kashmiris what Farooq abdullah says because his opinions are considered garbage as is his entire dynasty.
 
Nostalgic said:
I discussed this at length with [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] in July last year, when rumors were rife about the upcoming change. I was making the case for Pakistan to make some sort of rapprochement with the so-called “mainstream” parties (who are actually anything but representative of the mainstream), and make them see the benefits of moving away from their pro-HM stand and convince them that they will have a future in politics after independence. Madplayer’s exact words were that the NC and PDP are “full of serpents and vipers,” and it simply wasn’t worth considering.

These parties have made pro-Pakistan and pro-independence noises in the past too. Sheikh Abdullah himself between 1953 to 1975 was pro-independence (as head of the Plebiscite Front), and was even given a hero’s welcome in Pakistan in 1964. We know what became of that.

This statement, plus Mehbooba Mufti’s acknowledgement that they (actually the NC, so it’s a dig at her political rivals also) made a mistake in 1947, would hint at the possibility that the “mainstream” would actually become mainstream, but there has been many a false dawn in decades past.
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ElRaja said:
his family sold the kasmiris into this situation to line their own pockets for decades. he talks well buts its all empty rhetoric, i remember an interview where he said "jiss din 370 nahin rahai ga, us din kashmir india nahin rahai ga", as soon as hes given any power in this structure, him and his family will fall in line.

our resident occupied kashmiri residents are pbly best placed to give their two cents on this tho tbh
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Rule 1: Whenever you hear "mainstream" politician in context of J&K, chuck his opinions into the trash can.

Rule 2: When such a politician begins to sweet talk about Azadi and all, refer back to rule 1.

Follow these two rules and you will never feel disappointed or misled.
 
Madplayer said:
The average Kashmiri is rooting for China knowing well that China's human rights record is horrendous. Its the case of willing to sacrifice yourself if it means your enemy will suffer.
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Kashmir under Chinese rule would be better than the current Indian rule, agreed... I would pay to see that..

The Ughyur concentrations camps already shows a glimpse of what could be ahead for the angel Kashmiris should China ever take control of Kashmir...

This would be the best outcome for all parties, Pakistan, India & China
 
Romali_rotti said:
Kashmir under Chinese rule would be better than the current Indian rule, agreed... I would pay to see that..

The Ughyur concentrations camps already shows a glimpse of what could be ahead for the angel Kashmiris should China ever take control of Kashmir...

This would be the best outcome for all parties, Pakistan, India & China
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If China ever took control of Kashmir, they would promptly hand it over to Pakistan thereby cementing good relations further, and use this as a means to lock in better trade deals which would benefit both Pakistan and Kashmir and of course reinforce China's dominance of the region.
 
The takeaway is that Kashmiris, knowing full well what is happening to the Uyghurs, would nevertheless prefer Chinese rule to the Humsaaya Mulk yoke. This should tell you all you need to know about the intensity of their loathing for the HM.

Just as the HM’s (supposedly) better human rights record vis-a-vis China doesn’t make the HM any more appealing to the Kashmiris, there’s the economic argument vs Pakistan: for them to spurn a superpower in favor of a supposedly failing state speaks volumes of just how deep the wellspring of their hatred for the HM is.
 
I watched the interview in the OP. He claims that the Kashmiris would be willing to put up with the Chinese, and then to soften the blow, reassures the interviewer (and the audience) that they aren’t supporting Pakistan. I guess that’s a silver lining.

He admits that people of his ilk were mocked after August 5, but then claims that their incarceration has shown the people that the pro-HM politicians are not puppets. I guess it’s all going to plan then.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If China ever took control of Kashmir, they would promptly hand it over to Pakistan thereby cementing good relations further, and use this as a means to lock in better trade deals which would benefit both Pakistan and Kashmir and of course reinforce China's dominance of the region.
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Lol :)). Absolutely Cap, you are entitled to believe Pigs will fly backwards... Lord, your post reiterate how delusional some Pakistanis are when it comes to China..
 
Madplayer said:
Farooq Abdullah is talking about a ground reality which Indians would like to overlook and ignore. Even though Farooq "daand" is the biggest two faced hypocrite liar, he is speaking the truth here. Resentment for India was always there but removal of article 370 has hit at a deeper level because it is a clear attack on the identity of Kashmir. The average Kashmiri is rooting for China knowing well that China's human rights record is horrendous. Its the case of willing to sacrifice yourself if it means your enemy will suffer.

Generally speaking, it doesnt matter to Kashmiris what Farooq abdullah says because his opinions are considered garbage as is his entire dynasty.
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Thanks, as I thought.

You are correct, the Indian state terrorism has done so much damage, there is no turning back now.

China are nowhere near as bad as India in Kashmir due to ideology. India has extremist Hindus in power who hate Muslims , China only hates sepratists. Kashmir is disputed so China would try to win the people over rather than abuse them.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Lol :)). Absolutely Cap, you are entitled to believe Pigs will fly backwards... Lord, your post reiterate how delusional some Pakistanis are when it comes to China..
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Let's be fair, it was in reply to your post, and the scenario I painted is probably more likely than the fantasy you were drooling over.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Let's be fair, it was in reply to your post, and the scenario I painted is probably more likely than the fantasy you were drooling over.
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Errrr no sunshine, Pakistan is broke and have zero leverage, Pakistan will bend over backwards to China at will, China does not have to or will give Pakistan Indian Kashmir should they take control of the land... As said previously: nice delusion though...
 
Romali_rotti said:
Errrr no sunshine, Pakistan is broke and have zero leverage, Pakistan will bend over backwards to China at will, China does not have to or will give Pakistan Indian Kashmir should they take control of the land... As said previously: nice delusion though...
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The irony of you talking about delusion. If Pakistan is broke and has no leverage, why can't India make them bend over backwards to their will? I mean India is the Asian superpower right?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The irony of you talking about delusion. If Pakistan is broke and has no leverage, why can't India make them bend over backwards to their will? I mean India is the Asian superpower right?
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Any Indian who believes in that is delusional.

But you know know who's even more delusional? The one who thinks China will hand over their captured territory to Pakistan that too for "cementing" relations. :))
 
Mesozoic said:
Any Indian who believes in that is delusional.

But you know know who's even more delusional? The one who thinks China will hand over their captured territory to Pakistan that too for "cementing" relations. :))
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You can pretend laugh all you like, doesn't change reality on the ground. China has been building relations with Pakistan for decades, that partnership has stood the test of time while India jumps into bed with Russia and then hops over to USA when Uncle Sam starts winking in their direction.

Mark my words, if China ever gets a hold of Kashmir, they will use that opportunity to lock in Pakistan for the long run and you know fine well Sri lanka and Nepal are already being prised from India's grasp. Expect Bangladesh to follow and China will have partners across the whole of South Asia.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You can pretend laugh all you like, doesn't change reality on the ground. China has been building relations with Pakistan for decades, that partnership has stood the test of time while India jumps into bed with Russia and then hops over to USA when Uncle Sam starts winking in their direction.

Mark my words, if China ever gets a hold of Kashmir, they will use that opportunity to lock in Pakistan for the long run and you know fine well Sri lanka and Nepal are already being prised from India's grasp. Expect Bangladesh to follow and China will have partners across the whole of South Asia.
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China has already "locked in" Pakistan for the long run. Why do you think they're building roads and dams in your country ?
There's no need for them to donate anything as Pakistan is already in bed with them and have been there for a long long time. They have even made the ummah leading Pak PM "unaware" about the world renowned genocide that they're conducting in East Turkestan with just a little stare from their corner of the bed.

I mean if that's not locked in the bed , I don't know what is . :)
 
Giannis said:
Cause she represents all Kashmiris? I swear I question the IQ of some of our Indian friends on here.
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No. She does not represent.

Farooq Abdullah made a blanket statement that Kashmiris do not feel Indian. He did not say some Kashmiris. So before you question my IQ, you have to question Farooq's IQ too.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
No. She does not represent.

Farooq Abdullah made a blanket statement that Kashmiris do not feel Indian. He did not say some Kashmiris. So before you question my IQ, you have to question Farooq's IQ too.
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Well he's right, Kashmiris don't feel India - never have.
 
It’s no wonder Abdullah is crying for help from the Chinese - he’s about to be exposed as a land grabber.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Jammu and Kashmir CM Farooq Abdullah has now been named in the Rs 25,000 crore Roshni Land scam. Here's more.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JammuAndKashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JammuAndKashmir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FarooqAbdullah?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FarooqAbdullah</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RoshniLandScam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RoshniLandScam</a><a href="https://t.co/Zn11W3wxOW">https://t.co/Zn11W3wxOW</a></p>— moneycontrol (@moneycontrolcom) <a href="https://twitter.com/moneycontrolcom/status/1331196804214390784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Gabbar Singh said:
It’s no wonder Abdullah is crying for help from the Chinese - he’s about to be exposed as a land grabber.
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I don't know what to say. Some people don't have anything called a conscience, apparently.

This loser and his family have milked Kashmir and the Indian government for decades and got fabulously rich. They have done sweet FA for the average Kashmiri. Someone decides to put an end to their party and they act petulant and childish, even go to the point of openly supporting the Chinese.

There must be a special furnace in hell reserved for ungrateful people like Farooq Abdullah.
 
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