Kerala Discussion Thread

[TM Riddle]

God's own country is ranked second behind Paindoos' own country in terms of most obese people in India.Need to cut down those extra beers.

That's according to National family health survey btw.

 

[SandyB]

I would have thought it was a temple. Especially the Goupuram structures at the top.

Are the newer Mosques built the same style or do they have Middle East look to them?

Nope. The rise to prominence of Saudi backed Salafi and Wahhabi ideology means that all new mosques have completely eschewed traditional mosque architecture & are being made to ape middle eastern designs or Mughal architecture.

Same with the churches too, huge towering structures aping European cathedrals most costing 8-12 crore INR to make. Luckily the innocent believer pays for everything so god can reside in luxury. !

Caught in this rat race for "who's god has the best crib" now even the Hindus are feeling the heat. Since the temple structures are ancient and distinctive enough to be tampered with, they now focus on building peripheral structures around the main temple premises and buying up more land.. Signboards like "Help Bhagwan to get some land to rest in !" (cringe) are a common site in Kerala now.

That looks like a British building. Is it really 1000 years old? Very impressive architecture whatever the origin.

Climatically Britain, of all European nations has the climate closest to that of Kerala - Perpetual rain, dampness and cloudy skies. Of course the downpour in UK isn't as intensive as in Kerala. SO it is natural that the architectural styles would evolve to survive that climate -Sloping roofs etc.

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That's what would be described as a Victorian era house. See any similarities?

The similarities start and end at the shape of the roofs. While the British roof is likely a single slab of concrete, the Kerala roof is made of small mud bricks called("od") , which are laid on a wooden frame . Concreting technologies in Kerala at the time weren't strong enough to withstand rain and prevent leaking . Metal was avoided on roofs because of high chances of rusting .

With this style , any of the individual bricks could be easily replaced (in case of wind/rain damage) without disturbing the whole roof . The roofs were not designed to withstand rain , but to be easily repaired after rains. The poorer houses had thatched roofs made of coconut leaves. Again , they followed the same school of thought .

The Victorian era would coincide with British rule in India, so there may well be a crossover of architecture, either from Britain to India or the other way round.

Have a read of this :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Kerala

Due to the unique I of Kerala W.R.T to the rest of the Southern states (we were isolated by the western Ghats) , our Architecture is very different from the typical Dravidian Architecture of south India that is the ancestral style. Also having trade with Arabs, Chinese and Europeans for a long time DID influence our architectural designs.

But Kerala was never ruled directly by the Brits . We were always 3-4 princely states that paid taxes etc to whichever bigger power that ruled the SC, thus keeping our autonomy . So apart from a few cities, where the brits set up trading posts (Fort Kochi, Calicut, Tellicherry aka Thalassery - The place of origin of black pepper) the british constructed next to nothing here compared to British Raj areas like Kolkata, Mumbai or Madras.

You go to places like Kochi and Tellecherry you can clearly see the British designs and building which are clearly victorian era or later. Even Present day Kochi was originally built by the Portugese and then ceded to brits. So in terms of architectural influence the Syrians, Portugese and Dutch have more influence over Kerala than the Brits .

Yeah you clearly pinched your architecture designs from the Brits.

Truthfully, this temple looks like two separate structures. Seems like the old temple has had the roofing bays added as a design taken from buildings during the era of the British Raj.

In the UK we have been referring to this type of design as Victorian era for over a century. I'm sure if it was Indian origin then you would have claimed it a long time ago.

Can't you ever accept the possibility that both styles could've evolved independently over 1000-1500 years , depending on the uniqueness of their climate ??

The architecture here was advanced enough to have indigenous solutions to our weather. The roof was built as a separate structure to specifically solve this problem. So even under torrential rainstorms only the roof would get damaged/leaked and it enabled easy repairs.

The base was always stone and concrete, which wouldn't collapse. Earthquakes were rare in Kerala, so we could make the base super heavy and strong .

"Vasthu Shastra" aka ancient Hindu techniques of architecture (from the mohenjodaro era) was a highly advanced science back in the day , especially in Kerala. Even today houses and places of worship on Kerala are built to comply with certain "Vasthu" techniques.

Even the Mosques and Churches of the period were Vasthu compliant, many Muslims and Christians here continue to build Vasthu Compliant houses .. It is a shame that this once advanced science has been subverted these days by mindless superstitions. The essence of its science has been long lost .

The British have contributed a lot to our country, but claiming anything with a sloping roof as "Stolen from the Victorian design" is as petty as claiming anything with a minaret as "mughal architecturee" ..

May be you are right.The original base of the temple is calculated to be 1200 years old, while the current structure came into being 400 years back.This Temple was honoured with the UNESCO Asia-Pacific Heritage Award for Cultural Heritage Conservation.

The original base was built with carved stones and some kind of ancient variant of concrete. If you have visited the place, you'll see the temple is supported by huge diameter pillars which are marvel of that era's architecture. The wooden structures in the temple including the frames of roofs, have withstood rotting for centuries, without modern day polishing.

The roof coverings, as I have explained above, would deteriorate over time and be replaced with freshed mud tiles. So the age could only be calculated with the bottom structure which was stone.

It's not like the Mallus built one kind of roof and then once they saw the British roofs they went "Macha , lets change this style-ah : . "

 

[SandyB]

God's own country is ranked second behind Paindoos' own country in terms of most obese people in India.Need to cut down those extra beers.

Yeehaa !. Obesity, Diabetes and Liver Schirossis are 1st world diseases baby !

Rather die of them than by poverty or lynch mobs as our more fortunate brethren up North .

 

[Madplayer]

South Indian people are generally the best people in all of India, nature wise. Very humble and down to earth. Not to mention they got them brains.

 

[kaayal]

The original base was built with carved stones and some kind of ancient variant of concrete. If you have visited the place, you'll see the temple is supported by huge diameter pillars which are marvel of that era's architecture. The wooden structures in the temple including the frames of roofs, have withstood rotting for centuries, without modern day polishing.

The roof coverings, as I have explained above, would deteriorate over time and be replaced with freshed mud tiles. So the age could only be calculated with the bottom structure which was stone.

It's not like the Mallus built one kind of roof and then once they saw the British roofs they went "Macha , lets change this style-ah : . "

Pardon my ignorance. I haven't visited the temple even though i pass infront of it daily admiring it's beauty. Neither i know anything about this vastu shastra. Should not have commented about this structure where my knowledge is absolutely zero.:

 

[kukkad kamaal]

South Indian people are generally the best people in all of India, nature wise. Very humble and down to earth. Not to mention they got them brains.

Completely agree

 

[SandyB]

Pardon my ignorance. I haven't visited the temple even though i pass infront of it daily admiring it's beauty. Neither i know anything about this vastu shastra. Should not have commented about this structure where my knowledge is absolutely zero.:

Sorry Aiysha . The last line was only aimed at the posters claiming that we ripped of Victoria's (architectural, mind you) secrets to cover up our temples.

 

[troodon]

Sorry Aiysha . The last line was only aimed at the posters claiming that we ripped of Victoria's (architectural, mind you) secrets to cover up our temples.

Is Aisha her real name?

 

[SandyB]

Is Aisha her real name?

Nope! It's a stereotype Muslim name for women from her part of Kerala, made very popular by a recent malayalam movie )("Thattathin Marayathu") . So Aysha = Mallu Muslim girl .. That's all . No offence intended.

 

[JaDed]

https://scroll.in/latest/837512/kerala-kochi-metro-hires-23-transgender-persons


Kerala: Kochi Metro hires 23 transgender persons
The agency is the first government-owned company in India to formally appoint them, said Kerala Metro Rail Limited managing director Elias George.

Kerala: Kochi Metro hires 23 transgender persons
AFP (representational photo)
The Kerala Metro Rail Limited has hired 23 transgender persons for its Kochi Metro project, Hindustan Times reported on Saturday. The candidates were selected through a test followed by an interview. They will be assigned duties in various departments including housekeeping, ticket vending, customer relations, parking, gardening and the coach-depot canteen at Muttom.

“We would like to give members of the transgender community their rightful share in different jobs at stations,” Kerala Metro Rail Limited managing director Elias George told The Hindu, which first reported the story. “There will be no discrimination between them and women workers.”

Once the plan is implemented, the Kochi Metro will become the first government agency in the state to offer employment opportunities to the maginalised community. “I hope other firms in Kerala give them a respectable opportunity to work,” George said. “Society’s mindset towards them will change only by direct interaction with them. Moreover, members of that community cannot at all be blamed since they are born with such a biological situation.”

More transgender persons will be hired and trained in the future, an unidentified official of the Kochi Metro told the The Hindu. The metro train service began its final trials on May 10. Commercial operations are expected to commence in June.

On April 28, Kerala hosted the country’s first-ever athletics meet for transgender persons. At least 132 members of the community participated in the event.

 

[SandyB]

https://scroll.in/latest/837512/kerala-kochi-metro-hires-23-transgender-persons


Kerala: Kochi Metro hires 23 transgender persons
The agency is the first government-owned company in India to formally appoint them, said Kerala Metro Rail Limited managing director Elias George.

Kerala: Kochi Metro hires 23 transgender persons
AFP (representational photo)
The Kerala Metro Rail Limited has hired 23 transgender persons for its Kochi Metro project, Hindustan Times reported on Saturday. The candidates were selected through a test followed by an interview. They will be assigned duties in various departments including housekeeping, ticket vending, customer relations, parking, gardening and the coach-depot canteen at Muttom.

“We would like to give members of the transgender community their rightful share in different jobs at stations,” Kerala Metro Rail Limited managing director Elias George told The Hindu, which first reported the story. “There will be no discrimination between them and women workers.”

Once the plan is implemented, the Kochi Metro will become the first government agency in the state to offer employment opportunities to the maginalised community. “I hope other firms in Kerala give them a respectable opportunity to work,” George said. “Society’s mindset towards them will change only by direct interaction with them. Moreover, members of that community cannot at all be blamed since they are born with such a biological situation.”

More transgender persons will be hired and trained in the future, an unidentified official of the Kochi Metro told the The Hindu. The metro train service began its final trials on May 10. Commercial operations are expected to commence in June.

On April 28, Kerala hosted the country’s first-ever athletics meet for transgender persons. At least 132 members of the community participated in the event.

Transgenders are rarely out in the public sphere in Kerala , compared to Karnataka or tamil nadu. The Hijara way of life is absent at all. But transgenders frequently get attacked by police and are shunned by society whenever they are seen in public, except when they are from established backgrounds (artists, film technicians etc).

Lets hope these initiatives bring them to the mainstream ...

 

[CricketCartoons]

What does the present moplah community think of the ugly deeds of some of their ancestors in 1921. Pride, shame or indifference?

 

[SandyB]

What does the present moplah community think of the ugly deeds of some of their ancestors in 1921. Pride, shame or indifference?

I am not from that region, but from what I see, the Moplahs there are struggling to retain their moplah identity under the wave of Arabisation that is creeping into Kerala muslim society.

Regarding the riots , I have no idea.

It's seems to be a forgotten chapter, these days 2002 and Dec 6 are more or less the only riots people seem to reminisce.

 

[kaayal]

What does the present moplah community think of the ugly deeds of some of their ancestors in 1921. Pride, shame or indifference?

Nobody talks about it....my knowledge about this rebellion came after seeing the movie 1921. I think the present generation (including me) is pretty ignorant about this issue.
[MENTION=142852]kukkad kamaal[/MENTION] might be able to answer this.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Nobody talks about it....my knowledge about this rebellion came after seeing the movie 1921. I think the present generation (including me) is pretty ignorant about this issue.

[MENTION=142852]kukkad kamaal[/MENTION] might be able to answer this.

What's with the Pakistani flag, Kaayal?

 

[kaayal]

What's with the Pakistani flag, Kaayal?

It's the flag of All India Union Muslim League. A pollitical party in Kerala.

I thought the Pakistani flag had a white strip in it.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

It's the flag of All India Union Muslim League. A pollitical party in Kerala.

I thought the Pakistani flag had a white strip in it.

Okay, I thought you were trolling or something.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I am not from that region, but from what I see, the Moplahs there are struggling to retain their moplah identity under the wave of Arabisation that is creeping into Kerala muslim society.

Regarding the riots , I have no idea.

It's seems to be a forgotten chapter, these days 2002 and Dec 6 are more or less the only riots people seem to reminisce.

Don't think they are struggling to retain their identity.. they are wholeheartedly embracing the saudi sanctioned version. Death knell for Kerala as we know it.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's the flag of All India Union Muslim League. A pollitical party in Kerala.

I thought the Pakistani flag had a white strip in it.

IUML ? I thought you were CPI(M) supporter? Sick if the current govt. already?

 

[kaayal]

IUML ? I thought you were CPI(M) supporter? Sick if the current govt. already?

Still a left supporter. That flag was just to counter the sanghiness in this forum.

 

[JaDed]

Still a left supporter. That flag was just to counter the sanghiness in this forum.

At max 3 posters regularly support the BJP/RSS , and there are many who don't.

You do get that many posters/youngsters use the same logic to support BJP as well?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Still a left supporter. That flag was just to counter the sanghiness in this forum.

Fair enough

 

[Nikhil_cric]

At max 3 posters regularly support the BJP/RSS , and there are many who don't.

You do get that many posters/youngsters use the same logic to support BJP as well?

Yeah but many, including myself, did vote for the BJP last time despite not being a big supporter. Hard to know who is what these days?

 

[kaayal]

At max 3 posters regularly support the BJP/RSS , and there are many who don't.

You do get that many posters/youngsters use the same logic to support BJP as well?

I know bro and it's stupid from my part too. I changed it when there was this lynching by the gourakshas and that general hatred for Indian muslims presented by the sanghis..

It's time to change it I guess.

 

[TM Riddle]

Still a left supporter. That flag was just to counter the sanghiness in this forum.

I find that extremely offensive

 

[JaDed]

Yeah but many, including myself, did vote for the BJP last time despite not being a big supporter. Hard to know who is what these days?

Dictatorship is not for India mate, whether Indira or current leadership.

We should had had it in the start before linguistic states,now federal structure is everything imho.

I ve personally grown to hate BJP to a blind extent, which is sad hopefully I don't end up like that

 

[SandyB]

Dictatorship is not for India mate, whether Indira or current leadership.

We should had had it in the start before linguistic states,now federal structure is everything imho.

I ve personally grown to hate BJP to a blind extent, which is sad hopefully I don't end up like that

Tell me one country with even half this level of linguistic/racial diversity that worked with a dictatorship. ?

China had far more cultural unification even before the communists took power. And mao's cultural revolution was almost a genocide that completely dismantled the existing structure. Unless such a revolution had happened in 1947 , a dictatorship would've led to a far more unstable country.

 

[SandyB]

Yeah but many, including myself, did vote for the BJP last time despite not being a big supporter. Hard to know who is what these days?

A lot of people did that Bro. But the BJP isn't getting a lot of those votes next time.

But unfortunately, they'll still win, BJP is converting a lot of the development voters into "Hindutva" voters. Given by the verdicts in many of the recent state elections, we are going to a point of no-return W.R.T to the nature of our politics.

Unless the congress boots out the Gandhis and forms atleast a credible coalition in the opposition (which can act as a check to the BJP), I see India moving to almost a democracy in Name like Iran, with the Sangh playing the Ayatollah's role.

If Modi is somehow booted from the BJP, the next BJP head will be in the Yogi mould rather than Modi, because the Hindutva votes are consolidating day by day.

 

[JaDed]

Tell me one country with even half this level of linguistic/racial diversity that worked with a dictatorship. ?

China had far more cultural unification even before the communists took power. And mao's cultural revolution was almost a genocide that completely dismantled the existing structure. Unless such a revolution had happened in 1947 , a dictatorship would've led to a far more unstable country.

The only thing I can say is that if any other country had the poverty levels such as us and gap between the rich and poor ,there would had been many revolutions by now, violent ones.

We didn't maybe need dictatorship but we defn needed UCC ,our founding fathers model was based on appeasement so this will never end.

I'm in awe of China and yes even the cultural revolution but that probably has more to do with my hatred towards religion, what I respect them about is at least they have come out of poverty and become an economic giant,over here I don't know how many people go to sleep hungry yet.

 

[big_gamer007]

A lot of people did that Bro. But the BJP isn't getting a lot of those votes next time.

But unfortunately, they'll still win, BJP is converting a lot of the development voters into "Hindutva" voters. Given by the verdicts in many of the recent state elections, we are going to a point of no-return W.R.T to the nature of our politics.

Unless the congress boots out the Gandhis and forms atleast a credible coalition in the opposition (which can act as a check to the BJP), I see India moving to almost a democracy in Name like Iran, with the Sangh playing the Ayatollah's role.

If Modi is somehow booted from the BJP, the next BJP head will be in the Yogi mould rather than Modi, because the Hindutva votes are consolidating day by day.

BJP is still strong in the mail Hindi belt, states in south and Bengalis might not accepted BJP and it might lose votes over there but in UP, Delhi, Rajasthan, MP, Haryana and now with Lalu and Nitish joining hands next general elections BJP will sweep Bihar as well with the Modi wave..

Now I am not sure about Maharashtra and Karnataka but if I have to guess I'll say BJP will get majority over there too and in Gujrat BJP will get majority anyways..

So if you see above scenario BJP will come to power easily in next elections apart from the states in south and some in NE and then bengal they have majority everywhere and unfortunately the states against BJP don't have enough seats to many any difference..

The main problem with Indian politics right now is the lack of an alternative:
1. Congress is dead till they have Gandhi's at the helm and even if they remove Gandhi's they need a powerful figure to get them out of the mess and change the public opinion about their part of being corrupt.
2. AAP Kejriwal shot himself in the foot he could have slowly grown into the 2nd biggest opposition but he failed..
3. Regional parties are all corrupt and only care about making money..

I know a lot of Muslims don't like BJP and I blame BJP for not following Modi's pre-election vision of sabka saath sabka Vikas but Modi himself is a very good PM.. Problem is that the BJP local cadre and MLA's MP's etc are not the brightest and rather than working for the society following Modi's pre election vision after winning they have come back to being what they always were corrupt thugs who get into politics to have the power/money..

Regarding your point about Yogi if he performs well in UP for next 8 odd years I can see him easily becoming the PM candidate in 2024? General elections.. Till now in UP he is doing decent work making sure government officers are coming on time and doing their work properly... Let's see how he does in next 8 odd years hopefully he will tackle the real issues in UP rather than the beef ban issues..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]

This personality cult business needs to end whether it's Indira or modi. We don't have enough checks and balances in our system to prevent such things happening.
[MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION]

I'm not sure though. I might still vote for them the next time . The Congress are a disgraceful party that has no internal democracy and I cringe at the fact that they still are unashamedly pro-Gandhi family despite Rahuljis utter incompetence. It looks like the Congress is their personal fiefdom lol. Let's see. I'm definitely more left leaning myself but there really are no proper left of centre parties in India. CPI and CPI(M) are jokes

 

[Yatoo]

BJP is still strong in the mail Hindi belt, states in south and Bengalis might not accepted BJP and it might lose votes over there but in UP, Delhi, Rajasthan, MP, Haryana and now with Lalu and Nitish joining hands next general elections BJP will sweep Bihar as well with the Modi wave..

Now I am not sure about Maharashtra and Karnataka but if I have to guess I'll say BJP will get majority over there too and in Gujrat BJP will get majority anyways..

So if you see above scenario BJP will come to power easily in next elections apart from the states in south and some in NE and then bengal they have majority everywhere and unfortunately the states against BJP don't have enough seats to many any difference..

The main problem with Indian politics right now is the lack of an alternative:
1. Congress is dead till they have Gandhi's at the helm and even if they remove Gandhi's they need a powerful figure to get them out of the mess and change the public opinion about their part of being corrupt.
2. AAP Kejriwal shot himself in the foot he could have slowly grown into the 2nd biggest opposition but he failed..
3. Regional parties are all corrupt and only care about making money..

I know a lot of Muslims don't like BJP and I blame BJP for not following Modi's pre-election vision of sabka saath sabka Vikas but Modi himself is a very good PM.. Problem is that the BJP local cadre and MLA's MP's etc are not the brightest and rather than working for the society following Modi's pre election vision after winning they have come back to being what they always were corrupt thugs who get into politics to have the power/money..

Regarding your point about Yogi if he performs well in UP for next 8 odd years I can see him easily becoming the PM candidate in 2024? General elections.. Till now in UP he is doing decent work making sure government officers are coming on time and doing their work properly... Let's see how he does in next 8 odd years hopefully he will tackle the real issues in UP rather than the beef ban issues..

The only opposition party which has pan India presence isCongress . So I'll talk about what Congress needs to do.
1: Congress needs strong state level leaders who have sufficient autonomy and not just puppets of Central leadership.
2: Congress needs local level workers like RSS which will form the backbone of the party and organize it's activities.
3: Rahul Gandhi needs to retire from politics. If Congress wants a Gandhi face, Priyanka is the one they should look at.
4: Old guard needs to go.
5: Merger and not coalition with local parties.
6: Instead of talking about poor, talk about the aspirations of middle class. That's what BJP did. (It's different matter that none delivers eventually)
7: Secularism is dead in India. So Congress should stop paying much attention to it. They have been recently giving lot of attention to Rahul's temple visits. It should continue on a larger scale with farmuch publicity. Being in some Yogis and Saddus into political party. Take them to rallies. Use Gandhi's Ram Rajya mantra.

As far as I myself am concerned. I'll never vote for anyone

 

[troodon]

The only opposition party which has pan India presence isCongress . So I'll talk about what Congress needs to do.
1: Congress needs strong state level leaders who have sufficient autonomy and not just puppets of Central leadership.
2: Congress needs local level workers like RSS which will form the backbone of the party and organize it's activities.
3: Rahul Gandhi needs to retire from politics. If Congress wants a Gandhi face, Priyanka is the one they should look at.
4: Old guard needs to go.
5: Merger and not coalition with local parties.
6: Instead of talking about poor, talk about the aspirations of middle class. That's what BJP did. (It's different matter that none delivers eventually)
7: Secularism is dead in India. So Congress should stop paying much attention to it. They have been recently giving lot of attention to Rahul's temple visits. It should continue on a larger scale with farmuch publicity. Being in some Yogis and Saddus into political party. Take them to rallies. Use Gandhi's Ram Rajya mantra.

As far as I myself am concerned. I'll never vote for anyone

I like your idea.

Congress only hope is to include a few Sadhus and Sadhvi's into their party and fight tooth with tooth.

But then what will be the difference between Congress and BJP. Already people complain that Congress is dying because they have too many similarities with BJP and they both are 2 sides of the same coin.

 

[Yatoo]

I like your idea.

Congress only hope is to include a few Sadhus and Sadhvi's into their party and fight tooth with tooth.

But then what will be the difference between Congress and BJP. Already people complain that Congress is dying because they have too many similarities with BJP and they both are 2 sides of the same coin.

There is much difference among various when it comes to developing nations as actionable policies are limited. Modi wanted to dismantle MNREGA. But couldn't. AAdhar an initiative of Congress now taken to full potential by BJP. NFSM, JNNURM (now AMRUT with changes), and many other schemes are all "old Wine in new Bottle". Already many leaders in Tier-2 of BJP are ex-Congressman be it in North-east, JK, South India etc. the differences are mostly in how people perceive these parties. All congress needs is a little bit overhaul and massive PR campaign.

 

[SandyB]

W.R.T kerala, I see a major communal explosion happening soon .

Every damn thing is being looked upon with a communal lens these days. Every community (atleast the online community) are hell bent on defending their own , irrespective of whether they have done right or wrong.

Few days back , it was national news, of a godman Swamiji, who was sexually abusing a minor girl over a period over time , the Girl finally gathered some courage to do something about it .

The reportage of this news was followed by comments after comments and trolls by people applauding the girl and taking digs at the BJP and Sangh (with whom this swami had shown alliance earlier), a majority of people who were using him to take digs at the BJP and sangh people in general were Muslims.

The Christians, who are mired in a major, minor abuse scandal by a priest in Kerala , just a few months back , mostly remained silent ,as the priest was being saved and the incident covered up by the catholic church of the state.

The comments and fights mostly took a very communal tone, but almost as on cue, YESTERDAY a madrassah Imam get arrested for raping a minor boy , triggering another set of online abuse , this time against muslims, by Christians and Hindus.

Even the newspapers, magazines and TV news channels are aligned(or perceived to be) on communal line with each community having atleast 2 channels aligned to them and the conservatives of each religion and the CPM watching and believing ONLY what THEIR CHANEL propagates. Anything contrary is simple being refuted as Fake news, while people keep trusting WHATSAPP FORWARDS as the only true source of news.

The congress is severely weakened post 2014 and after losing power in the state.

In our 2016 elections the congress had thought that , backdoor assistance to the BJP would help wean the CPM voter base (mainly OBC , DALIT hindus) away from CPM and towards bjp, thus helping the Congress secure power while holding majority of the Christian and Muslim votes. These two parties historically hated the CPM due to the ANTI-God nature of socialism.

But what ended up happening, was that , the Christians & Muslims who realised that the Congress had a bleak future at the national level, and insecure of the BJP's rise, ABANDONED the CONGRESS and supported the CPM in many places. Also the movement of lower caste Hindu votes towards the BJP didn't happen to a large extent . Now the CPM got power , and the Upper Caste hindus who traditionally voted congress started drifting in large numbers to BJP.

Now the present situation is a vicious cycle - The CPM which realises that the congress is very weak, understands that securing the minority votes (muslims & christians) will help it get a second term easily as the lower caste hindu votes will remain with them, so they are becoming overtly accommodating to minorities, by compromising on the anti-faith/atheistic narrative of socialism, to attract conservative muslim votes. -

The BJP is busy weaning away the Upper caste hindu votes from congress and CPM, and attracting the lower castes as well by pointing out the excessively pro-muslim bias of the CPM in certain districts (malabar). This is fueling further insecurities among socialist hindus, increasing support for the sangh, which again is leading to further radicalization among minorities.

 

[JaDed]

Kerala has disappointed w.r.t animal life,there seems to be thinking among many of the social network Malayalees that literacy is related to eating meat.Even the Stray dog issue was atrocious.

Throughout the world literacy has reduced influence of religion and many countries with Abrahamic religion as majority have taken to veganism.

Youth Congress might had got itself a next term in Kerala but for the whole country noway Congress is ever coming back after the disaster cow killing.

 

[TM Riddle]

Kerala has disappointed w.r.t animal life,there seems to be thinking among many of the social network Malayalees that literacy is related to eating meat.Even the Stray dog issue was atrocious.

Throughout the world literacy has reduced influence of religion and many countries with Abrahamic religion as majority have taken to veganism.

Youth Congress might had got itself a next term in Kerala but for the whole country noway Congress is ever coming back after the disaster cow killing.

That was cheap and downright disgusting.I agree the beef ban law is stupid but killing the poor animal which is revered by the millions in this country just to get some cheap publicity and get your point across is something I didn't even expected from the congress.Truly horrific.

 

[SandyB]

Kerala has disappointed w.r.t animal life,there seems to be thinking among many of the social network Malayalees that literacy is related to eating meat.Even the Stray dog issue was atrocious.

Throughout the world literacy has reduced influence of religion and many countries with Abrahamic religion as majority have taken to veganism.

Youth Congress might had got itself a next term in Kerala but for the whole country noway Congress is ever coming back after the disaster cow killing.

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] Veganism actually had been on the rise in Kerala past 10-12 years, due to the increasing heath issues among malayalis (diabetes, cholesterol etc).

But now the issue is that the ban on beef and the recent pro vegetarianism bias of the centre, is seen as a direct attack on the culture of Kerlaites who have always been a heavily meat-eating population. Many of the people who you see protesting last few days, aren't even people who regularly eat beef. Most doctors here advise people to shun red meat especially beef.

But this has become a "jallikattu" like moment for us . You haven't seen Keralites unite like this for any cause in a long time.


That in no way is defending the Youth Congress though.

Those idots went WAAY overboard, from what constitutes a stern protest to pure debauchery . . Its has been condemned by all parties except the congress themselves, but lasting damage has been done. The state BJP leadership itself has already propagated it all over national news to paint Kerala as an AFSPA worthy "HINDU KILLING FIELD". !

And finally regarding the Stray dog issue, half the photos and news propagating on social media was fake and morphed photos, of dog sbeing killed and carried on sticks, all taken from places in east asia, where dogs are killed of some festivals.

The stray dog menace has roots in 2 things :

1) Keralites love to ape western / Dubai lifestyle, so people many of whom can't afford rich breeds, but mixed/local dog breeds out of the initial interest. By the time the dog gets big, they realise , it needs very dedicated & intensive care and a lot of money on feed (meat mainly), so these people just let them out on the road, astray. There is no wide spread concept of ANIMAL SHELTERs for abandoned in Kerala

2) Huge human population and density means that , dogs are gonna come into contact with people far more often than other places, there are only deep forest where free spaces are available, which the dogs usually don't go to ,since stray food is available near human settlements. So this makes stray dog attacks very frequent .

So the stray dog menace is a totally TRUE PHENOMENON, . The attacks have been so frequent, most people in Kerala, have even stopped walking in early mornning even in semi urban centres due to the frequency of the attacks.

Even though our over-aspiring culture is to be blamed for the rise of stray dogs, the angry rhetoric of people , who are frequently attacked by stray dogs, is in no ways unjustified.

there seems to be thinking among many of the social network Malayalees that literacy is related to eating meat -

You should've read some of the anti-kerala comments during the Stray dog issue as well as the beef ban issue. They are purely racist and casteist in nature, "Your caste deserves this for eating meat, you dravidans have darkj skin and dark minds" etc etc are very common insults to us these days in social media, so such posts are just reactionary.

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] Veganism actually had been on the rise in Kerala past 10-12 years, due to the increasing heath issues among malayalis (diabetes, cholesterol etc).

But now the issue is that the ban on beef and the recent pro vegetarianism bias of the centre, is seen as a direct attack on the culture of Kerlaites who have always been a heavily meat-eating population. Many of the people who you see protesting last few days, aren't even people who regularly eat beef. Most doctors here advise people to shun red meat especially beef.

But this has become a "jallikattu" like moment for us . You haven't seen Keralites unite like this for any cause in a long time.


That in no way is defending the Youth Congress though.

Those idots went WAAY overboard, from what constitutes a stern protest to pure debauchery . . Its has been condemned by all parties except the congress themselves, but lasting damage has been done. The state BJP leadership itself has already propagated it all over national news to paint Kerala as an AFSPA worthy "HINDU KILLING FIELD". !

And finally regarding the Stray dog issue, half the photos and news propagating on social media was fake and morphed photos, of dog sbeing killed and carried on sticks, all taken from places in east asia, where dogs are killed of some festivals.

The stray dog menace has roots in 2 things :

1) Keralites love to ape western / Dubai lifestyle, so people many of whom can't afford rich breeds, but mixed/local dog breeds out of the initial interest. By the time the dog gets big, they realise , it needs very dedicated & intensive care and a lot of money on feed (meat mainly), so these people just let them out on the road, astray. There is no wide spread concept of ANIMAL SHELTERs for abandoned in Kerala

2) Huge human population and density means that , dogs are gonna come into contact with people far more often than other places, there are only deep forest where free spaces are available, which the dogs usually don't go to ,since stray food is available near human settlements. So this makes stray dog attacks very frequent .

So the stray dog menace is a totally TRUE PHENOMENON, . The attacks have been so frequent, most people in Kerala, have even stopped walking in early mornning even in semi urban centres due to the frequency of the attacks.

Even though our over-aspiring culture is to be blamed for the rise of stray dogs, the angry rhetoric of people , who are frequently attacked by stray dogs, is in no ways unjustified.



You should've read some of the anti-kerala comments during the Stray dog issue as well as the beef ban issue. They are purely racist and casteist in nature, "Your caste deserves this for eating meat, you dravidans have darkj skin and dark minds" etc etc are very common insults to us these days in social media, so such posts are just reactionary.

I support all Indian people mate irrespective of castes ethnicity,supported Jallikatu because it actually raised awareness about Indian breeds and the bull was promoted as family member for farmers,which is one of the reason why the illegal cattle slaughter ban is being supported in many parts of TN irrespective of the whole state having anti BJP bias.

Kerala should had gone for genuine protests similar to what happened in TN for Jallikatu,wth is with these beef festivals and youth Congress kamikazi moves? What's the point of all that literacy if Kerala doesn't show the way for India about how to protest on in peaceful manner,and that's when I realized the issue Kerala doesn't protest in peaceful manner and the movies promoting violence will have a negative effect.

I agree with negative posts against Dravidians but have seen enough Malayalee social network people call being vegetarian as uncivilized North Indian culture and me being a vegetarian have found to be on the other side of the debate.

 

[JaDed]

That was cheap and downright disgusting.I agree the beef ban law is stupid but killing the poor animal which is revered by the millions in this country just to get some cheap publicity and get your point across is something I didn't even expected from the congress.Truly horrific.

I support meat ban,hate the way BJP is going on about it ,as it's always better to create awareness and spread vegetarianism but having realized how humans are I take whatever I get and it's not exactly a beef ban as being promoted.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I hope there is some kind of Jallikatu-esque movement in Malludom on this issue. It's good to see the Kerala CM pushing back against this fascist move. This isn't technically a ban yet but more stifling regulations .. they are testing the waters for a national beef ban.

 

[Romali_rotti]

That was cheap and downright disgusting.I agree the beef ban law is stupid but killing the poor animal which is revered by the millions in this country just to get some cheap publicity and get your point across is something I didn't even expected from the congress.Truly horrific.

It was a baby calf that was slaughtered in broad daylight to show some kind of beef eating unity. These malayalees have no idea whats in store for them in the coming future, give Modi 2 more terms and he will change everything. I am fully behind him, so are my family and my friends. Beef ban will be in full effect in the near future and being a Krishna worshipping hindu i couldnt be more happier.

 

[SandyB]

It was a baby calf that was slaughtered in broad daylight to show some kind of beef eating unity. These malayalees have no idea whats in store for them in the coming future, give Modi 2 more terms and he will change everything. I am fully behind him, so are my family and my friends. Beef ban will be in full effect in the near future and being a Krishna worshipping hindu i couldnt be more happier.

You also realise that Krishna is THE MOST POPULAR GOD in kerala ? In every household Krishna occupies prime position. ? How ironic is that ..

As I said earlier, the Youth Congress move was dumb, downright provocative and an Isolated incident !. There were no other public slaughter of cattle during the protests. It completely changed the context our protests we were making .

I'm a kerala hindu too and many of our families rarely/never cook beef at home. We also make it a point to ensure the beef we buy is buffalo when we go to buy meat atleast.

But if the government things they can push us to being veggies, then beef is what we'll eat all day from now on in Kerala.

70' frigging years of existense and those in delhi still can't comprehend that we are people of different linguistic, cultural and dietary tastes ??

 

[CricketCartoons]

You also realise that Krishna is THE MOST POPULAR GOD in kerala ? In every household Krishna occupies prime position. ? How ironic is that ..

As I said earlier, the Youth Congress move was dumb, downright provocative and an Isolated incident !. There were no other public slaughter of cattle during the protests. It completely changed the context our protests we were making .

I'm a kerala hindu too and many of our families rarely/never cook beef at home. We also make it a point to ensure the beef we buy is buffalo when we go to buy meat atleast.

But if the government things they can push us to being veggies, then beef is what we'll eat all day from now on in Kerala.

70' frigging years of existense and those in delhi still can't comprehend that we are people of different linguistic, cultural and dietary tastes ??

What was the regulation which forces mallus to become veggies? I am not following this development, so want to know.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You also realise that Krishna is THE MOST POPULAR GOD in kerala ? In every household Krishna occupies prime position. ? How ironic is that ..

It is ironic and a disgrace to a state that has the holiest of all temples in India Guruvayoor that houses a 5000 plus year old Vishnu pradima. Malayalee hindus praying to Lord Krishna on one end and eating Beef on the other side, pathetic.

As I said earlier, the Youth Congress move was dumb, downright provocative and an Isolated incident !. There were no other public slaughter of cattle during the protests. It completely changed the context our protests we were making .

Scamgress rule is all about getting minority votes and appeasing them at the cost of the majority, so I am not surprised by this cowardly act. Condemn it or not, Modi will change things in the future, Scamgress days are numbered even in Kerala, only a matter of time before BJP comes to power. I said a year back that the beef ban would slowly make its way to Kerala, a few fellow malayalee's here said it would never happen and now look what is happening.....

I'm a kerala hindu too and many of our families rarely/never cook beef at home. We also make it a point to ensure the beef we buy is buffalo when we go to buy meat atleast.

But if the government things they can push us to being veggies, then beef is what we'll eat all day from now on in Kerala.

No one is asking you to become a vegetarian, last I heard chicken, pork, fish, lamb, goat etc will not be banned so your pushed to being veggies doesnt make much sense.

Bold

 

[Nikhil_cric]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] Veganism actually had been on the rise in Kerala past 10-12 years, due to the increasing heath issues among malayalis (diabetes, cholesterol etc).

But now the issue is that the ban on beef and the recent pro vegetarianism bias of the centre, is seen as a direct attack on the culture of Kerlaites who have always been a heavily meat-eating population. Many of the people who you see protesting last few days, aren't even people who regularly eat beef. Most doctors here advise people to shun red meat especially beef.

But this has become a "jallikattu" like moment for us . You haven't seen Keralites unite like this for any cause in a long time.


That in no way is defending the Youth Congress though.

Those idots went WAAY overboard, from what constitutes a stern protest to pure debauchery . . Its has been condemned by all parties except the congress themselves, but lasting damage has been done. The state BJP leadership itself has already propagated it all over national news to paint Kerala as an AFSPA worthy "HINDU KILLING FIELD". !

And finally regarding the Stray dog issue, half the photos and news propagating on social media was fake and morphed photos, of dog sbeing killed and carried on sticks, all taken from places in east asia, where dogs are killed of some festivals.

The stray dog menace has roots in 2 things :

1) Keralites love to ape western / Dubai lifestyle, so people many of whom can't afford rich breeds, but mixed/local dog breeds out of the initial interest. By the time the dog gets big, they realise , it needs very dedicated & intensive care and a lot of money on feed (meat mainly), so these people just let them out on the road, astray. There is no wide spread concept of ANIMAL SHELTERs for abandoned in Kerala

2) Huge human population and density means that , dogs are gonna come into contact with people far more often than other places, there are only deep forest where free spaces are available, which the dogs usually don't go to ,since stray food is available near human settlements. So this makes stray dog attacks very frequent .

So the stray dog menace is a totally TRUE PHENOMENON, . The attacks have been so frequent, most people in Kerala, have even stopped walking in early mornning even in semi urban centres due to the frequency of the attacks.

Even though our over-aspiring culture is to be blamed for the rise of stray dogs, the angry rhetoric of people , who are frequently attacked by stray dogs, is in no ways unjustified.



You should've read some of the anti-kerala comments during the Stray dog issue as well as the beef ban issue. They are purely racist and casteist in nature, "Your caste deserves this for eating meat, you dravidans have darkj skin and dark minds" etc etc are very common insults to us these days in social media, so such posts are just reactionary.

I think the heavy meat eating is more of a recent phenomenon particularly amongst the Hindus of Kerala. Increased only in the 70's as far as I'm aware. And many traditional malayali families (Muslim and Christian ones as well) never used to eat beef I think . It is only in recent times with Malayalis becoming wealthier thst meat consumption has increased.

 

[TM Riddle]

You also realise that Krishna is THE MOST POPULAR GOD in kerala ? In every household Krishna occupies prime position. ? How ironic is that ..

As I said earlier, the Youth Congress move was dumb, downright provocative and an Isolated incident !. There were no other public slaughter of cattle during the protests. It completely changed the context our protests we were making .

I'm a kerala hindu too and many of our families rarely/never cook beef at home. We also make it a point to ensure the beef we buy is buffalo when we go to buy meat atleast.

But if the government things they can push us to being veggies, then beef is what we'll eat all day from now on in Kerala.

70' frigging years of existense and those in delhi still can't comprehend that we are people of different linguistic, cultural and dietary tastes ??

Never knew beef=all meat .
But you are from more affluent and educated state so you would know better.

 

[SandyB]

Never knew beef=all meat .
But you are from more affluent and educated state so you would know better.

https://scroll.in/article/838954/reading-the-law-government-is-on-thin-ice-as-it-imposes-de-facto-cattle-slaughter-ban

The Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (Regulation of Livestock Markets) Rules, 2017 were notified by the Central government, ostensibly to regulate animal markets all over India. The term “animal market” is defined in Rule 2(b) as:

“A market place or sale-yard or any other premises or place to which animals are brought from other places and exposed for sale or auction and includes any lairage adjoining a market or a slaughterhouse and used in connection with it and any place adjoining a market used as a parking area by visitors to the market for parking vehicles and includes animal fair and cattle pound where animals are offered or displayed for sale or auction.”

The owner of cattle has to provide a written declaration furnishing their details, with photo ID proof, the identification details of the cattle, as well as an undertaking that the cattle has not been brought to market for sale for slaughter [Rule 22(b)]. A similar obligation is placed on the purchaser, who is barred from selling the cattle for slaughter, and has to follow the State cattle protection or preservation laws under Rule 22(e).

In this context, Rule 2(e) defines “cattle” as “a bovine animal including bulls, bullocks, cows, buffaloes, steers, heifers and calves and includes camels.”

In effect, the Regulation of Livestock Markets Rules prohibit the buying and selling of all cattle, including buffaloes, in the animal markets for the purpose of slaughter.

So this new regulation doesn't just involve just cow slaughter as many posters above try to claim.

Whats wrong with slaughtering of buffaloes for meat.? Buffalo slaughter isn't banned in most Indian states is it ?

Kerala is a place where over 70% of the cattle trade for meat happens through such markets, if all of that is blocked, where is the meat supply going to come from ?

The govt says that meat can be bought from Farms where cattle are raised for meat . There are very few of them in the state.

I personally have brought meat from a Government run Meat farm, Meat Products of India , which is the only such type in the WHOLE STATE.. The meat too costs twice or more of the usual market price. How will people afford to buy it from there ?

Secondly , Regarding whether the govt has the power to make the regulation ..(from the same article above)

Regulation of market committees, including market committees for cattle, are state subjects, hence the Central government has no power to legislate on that, much less through the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (Regulation of Livestock Markets) Rules! These Rules were enacted under Sections 38(1) and (2) of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, 1960, though there is no specific rule making power vested in the Central government to regulate animal markets.

It appears that the current Rules have been framed under the directions of the Supreme Court in Gauri Maulekhi vs Union of India. The petition in any event sought only the prevention of export or trafficking to Nepal for ritualistic slaughter of all animals; hence that petition cannot be used as a justification for these Rules. There is no mention of prevention of export of animals in these Rules.

Laws on cattle slaughter are outside the legislative competence of Parliament, since the preservation and improvement of livestock is covered under Entry 15 of List II of the Seventh Schedule of the Constitution (preservation, protection and improvement of stock and prevention of animal diseases; veterinary training and practice), which pertains to matters under that the state government has powers over. The Rules are ultra vires the powers of the Central government, as the subject matter of the Rules in pith and substance, to the extent that it seeks to regulates markets, is not within the Competence of the Centre but the States. That apart, the Central government has sought to do by delegated legislation what it can do only by a law dealing with trade and commerce, namely restrict the fundamental right to business and trade.

Many states in India do not have any prohibition on slaughter of cattle, including cows, bulls and bullocks, such as Kerala, Tripura, Nagaland, Manipur and Meghalaya, while some states have restrictions on the slaughter of bulls and bullocks under 16 years of age, or without a certificate of “fit for slaughter”. Many states do not have any restrictions on the slaughter of buffaloes, irrespective of age or health.

The rules themselves require compliance with the state cattle Protection or Preservation laws [Rule 22(e)(ii)] implying thereby that those laws continue in force and do not stand amended by these Rules.

Once it is recognised that several states do not have laws preventing slaughter of cattle, by what authority can the Centre prevent trading in cattle for the purpose of slaughter in cattle markets and fairs? If a state does not prohibit either slaughter of cattle or the slaughter of buffalo, then can the Rules prohibit trading in something, which is otherwise legal in the state?

As stated above, the Central government has no power to regulate animal markets. Entry 28 of List II State List (Markets and Fairs) gives the power to State governments to make laws relating to local markets and fair and this would include cattle markets and fairs.

Already the government is considering removing buffaloes from the category of "cattle", if it was all about animal protection, why is the rule about to be amended ?

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/buffalo-likely-to-be-removed-from-government-revised-list-cattle-following-protest/1/965738.html

http://www.india.com/news/india/centre-to-modify-regulation-on-cattle-slaughter-may-exempt-buffalo-report-2181100/

 

[SandyB]

There are a lot of misconceptions regarding beef consumption in Kerala. SO I guess it is important to have a discussion on that .

Most people up north and centre think that only Kerala non-hindus consume beef and that beef eating was forced upon hindus here as some sort of cultural hegemony by the muslims and christians.

The truth is in a grey area, of course being almost 45% of the population the Muslim and Christian communities have a huge cultural influence over the state, much more than in other Indian states. These changes happened over a period or time and most importantly since Kerala was never under direct Islamic/Christian for a protracted time in any point in history to associate this food habit as being forced on us.

These are my thoughts on how beef and meat eating in general became so popular in Kerala ?

1. Present day Kerala used to be a deeply forested hilly area (western ghats), with very little plain land suited for agriculture. Most of the human settlements in kerala are on places claimed from the forests and hillsides.
Couple that to a long coastline meant people used to depend on hunting/gathering and fishing for food since ancient times. This would've carried over to dietary preferences even as more civilised societies emerged.


2. 40-45% population are Muslims + Christians. These communities have been around since 600AD and have lived mixed with hindus throughout the state (no visibly separate localities or for muslims and christians like in North or central India.)
This lead to a higher level of cultural mixing (including culinary tastes) . After the rise of caste reform movements in the late 19th century and socialism both of which tried to dismantle the highly caste segregated nature of Kerala prior to the 20th century. Mixed eating was highly encouraged and thus the food habits of the muslims and Christians spread to the hindus and vice versa.


3. 70-80% of Hindus are OBCs and Dalits, who were mostly involved in labour, agriculture etc, beef was/is the cheapest source of proteins for these communities.
This is especially true for the dalits who were treated as worse than slaves in Kerala society and paid practically no wages. Beef was very cheap back then and given the reluctance of other communities to eat it , made it an easy source of proteins for them .

4.Huge number of Keralites travel/migrate to Middle east and western nations, where beef/steak is a staple dish, this made it even more popular and acceptable amongst malayalis. This one of the prime reasons for the increase in acceptance of beef dishes among keralites since the early 60's.

5. Another thing to note is that the Muslims always ate beef. Whereas the hindus and christians, though meat eaters, preferred mutton,pork over beef. Beef consumption was mainly relegated to the lowest/labour classes till most of the late 19th century.
But rising prices of all other meat (fish,mutton,pork) made many to switch over to much cheaper beeincreasing prices of mutton and pork over timef .


6. The malayalam/tamil word for cow is "pasu" which in Sanskrit
means animal given for sacrifice.

m. (instrumental case paś/unā-or śva-; dative case p/aśve-or paś/ave-; genitive case paśv/as-or śos-; dual number paśv/ā-; accusative plural paśv/as-or ś/ūn-) cattle, kine (originally "any tethered animal";singly or collect. "a herd"), a domestic or sacrificial animal (as opp. to mṛga-,"wild animal"; 5 kinds are enumerated,"men, kine, horses, goats and sheep"[ ] , to which are sometimes added mules arid *****[ vi, 155 etc.] or camels and dogs[ commentator or commentary ]) etc.

http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=pa%C5%9Bubhi%E1%B8%A5

So there is some credibility regarding claaims that cattle slaughter was very common in pre-vedic and vedic times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_slaughter_in_India#Ancient_India

The cow has been a symbol of wealth in India since ancient times.[26] However, they were neither inviolable nor revered in the same way today.[27][28][29] In the Vedic period cows, buffaloes and bulls were frequently slaughtered, both for consumption and in sacrifices. Cattle slaughter and beef eating began to be disfavoured by lawgivers from the middle of the first millennium. The cow was possibly revered because Hindus relied heavily on it for dairy products and for tilling the fields, and on cow dung as a source of fuel and fertilizer. Thus, the cow’s status as a "caretaker" led to identifying it as an almost maternal figure (hence the term gau mata (mother cow)). Buddha pointed out that ritualistic practices like animal sacrifices are not good. This became one of the core preachings of Buddhism, which was later adopted by Hinduism.[30][31][32] Jainism also played a role in cow protection idea in Hinduism.[33]

7. Given that revisionist movements like Arya samaj (which tried to reinvigorate Hindu beliefs and customs and revive hinduism in the north), were absent in Kerala, the elevation of the Cow as one of the most sacred pillars of modern hinduism never really happened here.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Social media and IT influenced migration has only split us apart while it bought rest of the world together. The more we got to know each other the less we felt the same.

 

[SandyB]

Another areal drone shot of Alleppey aka Alappuzha in central Kerala, arguably the state's most popular tourist destination.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Another areal drone shot of Alleppey aka Alappuzha in central Kerala, arguably the state's most popular tourist destination.

View attachment 75398

Why do they make it seem like people in Keral mostly travel through rivers in movies ?

 

[SandyB]

Why do they make it seem like people in Keral mostly travel through rivers in movies ?

Dey Macha, don't do this BS and then claim to be southie here

Keral, Kannad makes me real wound up when I hear people say this in Bangalore. Either you speak the correct name or go with the British name, not the truncated BS.

COming to the question, this kind of waterways travel (via boat ) is present only in the stretch between Ernakulam (aka Kochi) and Alapuzha districts in central Kerala. Since that region ( [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] ) is the de-facto identity of Kerala, its often shown in films.

Also back in the day when the big dams were yet to be built, lots of parts of Ernakulam (kochi), Alappuzha etc used to flood heavily every monsoon. So most of the houses in these districts used to have small paddle boats to use for travel during the floods.

 

[kaayal]

Dey Macha, don't do this BS and then claim to be southie here

Keral, Kannad makes me real wound up when I hear people say this in Bangalore. Either you speak the correct name or go with the British name, not the truncated BS.

COming to the question, this kind of waterways travel (via boat ) is present only in the stretch between Ernakulam (aka Kochi) and Alapuzha districts in central Kerala. Since that region ( [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] ) is the de-facto identity of Kerala, its often shown in films.

Also back in the day when the big dams were yet to be built, lots of parts of Ernakulam (kochi), Alappuzha etc used to flood heavily every monsoon. So most of the houses in these districts used to have small paddle boats to use for travel during the floods.

Lived there for 5 and half years of my life( MBBS). Kuttanadu is one of the most beautiful places on earth but they are prone for floods and vector borne diseases. May be that's the price they have to pay for being beautiful..

From what i have seen, Alappuzha and Venice are exactly the same except that their water bodies are more clean well maintained. So never waste your money traveling to Venice especially for malayalis like us...

This picture is from Venice Rialto bridge. I was sitting on the side of the boat that's why i got only half of the bridge. But really look at surroundings....Except for some big buildings It's a similar to Alappuzha....





Here is a sea shore next to my rural posting in Alappuzha.....calm and peaceful....

 

[JaDed]

Been to Allappuzha in 2014 and have to say even I thought it was like desi small Venice ,wish the boats were better maintained though,the local ones i mean.

The roads and small bridges are beautiful, the houseboat tbf gets very boring after 6 pm :/

 

[kaayal]

Been to Allappuzha in 2014 and have to say even I thought it was like desi small Venice ,wish the boats were better maintained though,the local ones i mean.

The roads and small bridges are beautiful, the houseboat tbf gets very boring after 6 pm :/

Houseboats are really boring (for me) after 2hrs. I prefer this type of canoe ride........


PS: This is not me. Just a random picture from internet to show the canoe ride in Kerala.

The smell is awful tbh but you will get used to it after few minutes.

 

[JaDed]

Houseboats are really boring (for me) after 2hrs. I prefer this type of canoe ride........

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PS: This is not me. Just a random picture from internet to show the canoe ride in Kerala.

The smell is awful tbh but you will get used to it after few minutes.

Lol,I have been to the fresh fish thing which they take us to,the problem is number of houseboats have increased so much in number,they need to reduce because waste management is still an issue.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Dey Macha, don't do this BS and then claim to be southie here

Keral, Kannad makes me real wound up when I hear people say this in Bangalore. Either you speak the correct name or go with the British name, not the truncated BS.

COming to the question, this kind of waterways travel (via boat ) is present only in the stretch between Ernakulam (aka Kochi) and Alapuzha districts in central Kerala. Since that region ( [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] ) is the de-facto identity of Kerala, its often shown in films.

Also back in the day when the big dams were yet to be built, lots of parts of Ernakulam (kochi), Alappuzha etc used to flood heavily every monsoon. So most of the houses in these districts used to have small paddle boats to use for travel during the floods.

It's a typo machi . I didn't even know Keral was a word. I hate the word "Tamilian" too, just say "Tamilan".

These stretch of water is shown in movies and it seems like that is the staple mode of transportation in kerala.

 

[troodon]

Houseboats are really boring (for me) after 2hrs. I prefer this type of canoe ride........

View attachment 75404
PS: This is not me. Just a random picture from internet to show the canoe ride in Kerala.

The smell is awful tbh but you will get used to it after few minutes.

Good to see you and your husband.

 

[kaayal]

Good to see you and your husband.

That's not me. I am a hijabi girl. You will never see me in that avatar ever...

 

[troodon]

That's not me. I am a hijabi girl. You will never see me in that avatar ever...

Right! I believe you!

 

[Romali_rotti]

Kerala, the great land once again doesn't let me down. Tommy Thachenkeray, that huge fraud and one of the most corrupt, is now the DIG of Kerala Police.... This guy has been suspended numerous times from the police department previously for so many fraud related activities is now leading Kerala Police . Its good to know that the malayalee actor, my dear Dileep Kuttan will now get away scott free from the attempted murder of Malayalee actress Bhavana... Kerala Gods Own Country

 

[SandyB]

Kerala, the great land once again doesn't let me down. Tommy Thachenkeray, that huge fraud and one of the most corrupt, is now the DIG of Kerala Police.... This guy has been suspended numerous times from the police department previously for so many fraud related activities is now leading Kerala Police . Its good to know that the malayalee actor, my dear Dileep Kuttan will now get away scott free from the attempted murder of Malayalee actress Bhavana... Kerala Gods Own Country

Thachenkeray is too powerful ,none of the parties have the balls to take him down.

And Dileep was gonna go scot free anyway. When has a popular actor ever been convicted for a fraud anywhere in india ? We all have Bhai who set the biggest example.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Thachenkeray is too powerful ,none of the parties have the balls to take him down.

And Dileep was gonna go scot free anyway. When has a popular actor ever been convicted for a fraud anywhere in india ? We all have Bhai who set the biggest example.

I know about Thachenkeray, he was personally involved in a murder of one of my relatives in 95. The lad murdered was an up and coming IAS officer in the early 90s, he was killed because he was involved in taking the fight to the high court vs the drug maffia in Kerala whom Tommy was involved with... Back then Tommy was a young lad, anyway I wont get too much into this but I know Tommy Chayan very well ...

As for Dileep, yeah I know he will get away scott free but if Evils like Mohammed Nissam can be locked up in Jail, I had hope justice would be served in Bhavana's case, but I guess I am now officially wrong since Tommy chayan is leading Kerala police..

Officer Sen Kumar summed it up perfectly, when he said: Now that Tommy Thachenkary is the new IPS officer, it will be like replacing a neurologist with a butcher .. Now you realize, why I hate Kerala and its politicians, they are evil to the pure, if a known criminal like Tommy Thachenkary's can roam free and be given important positions, this state is a lost case...................... MODI ZINDABAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hornbill]

A man and aide espaced punishment just like Tommy boy due to lack of evidence and we know they are now placed at top most position of a party and a country. Suck it up it's the only thing people living in third world countries can do.

 

[Hornbill]

https://youtu.be/jV9SbFlCkCQ

Another tool [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] have you seen this if not share and expose this hypocrite.

 

[Specialisttailender]

I know about Thachenkeray, he was personally involved in a murder of one of my relatives in 95. The lad murdered was an up and coming IAS officer in the early 90s, he was killed because he was involved in taking the fight to the high court vs the drug maffia in Kerala whom Tommy was involved with... Back then Tommy was a young lad, anyway I wont get too much into this but I know Tommy Chayan very well ...

As for Dileep, yeah I know he will get away scott free but if Evils like Mohammed Nissam can be locked up in Jail, I had hope justice would be served in Bhavana's case, but I guess I am now officially wrong since Tommy chayan is leading Kerala police..

Officer Sen Kumar summed it up perfectly, when he said: Now that Tommy Thachenkary is the new IPS officer, it will be like replacing a neurologist with a butcher .. Now you realize, why I hate Kerala and its politicians, they are evil to the pure, if a known criminal like Tommy Thachenkary's can roam free and be given important positions, this state is a lost case...................... MODI ZINDABAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to hear that bro. Unfortunately these kinds of incidents and corrupted officials are common in India. Modi is not a savior, he may be involved in similar acts of this kind, you'd never know.

 

[SandyB]

I know about Thachenkeray, he was personally involved in a murder of one of my relatives in 95. The lad murdered was an up and coming IAS officer in the early 90s, he was killed because he was involved in taking the fight to the high court vs the drug maffia in Kerala whom Tommy was involved with... Back then Tommy was a young lad, anyway I wont get too much into this but I know Tommy Chayan very well ...

As for Dileep, yeah I know he will get away scott free but if Evils like Mohammed Nissam can be locked up in Jail, I had hope justice would be served in Bhavana's case, but I guess I am now officially wrong since Tommy chayan is leading Kerala police..

Officer Sen Kumar summed it up perfectly, when he said: Now that Tommy Thachenkary is the new IPS officer, it will be like replacing a neurologist with a butcher .. Now you realize, why I hate Kerala and its politicians, they are evil to the pure, if a known criminal like Tommy Thachenkary's can roam free and be given important positions, this state is a lost case...................... MODI ZINDABAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed with everything you said, except the last line .

What can the BJP actually do if they win here . ?? There isn't ONE competent leader in the party . The love for Modi and hindutva is all that's keeping it going here. Onion Sura and Kumman Ji have shown no skill expect to propagate lies on FB and talk communal drivel. Less said about Shobha the better .

We have a saying amongst the locals that even if you want them to win, you can't have Rajagopal contesting all 140 legislative seats .. The lack of any decent leadership is appalling , even with all their faults the CPM and Congress have always cultivated good youth level leaders from their student wings in colleges.

And as far as incorruptibility goes, the same BJP is already in backroom talks (out in the open) with one Messr K.M. Mani to join the NDA , who is arguably the most corrupt minister in kerala's history , and a proper communal leader (Kerala congress after all is the most Pro Christian Party here), and he is the alleged hand involved in derailing the famous Abhaya murder case and many others to save the church.

 

[kaayal]

https://youtu.be/jV9SbFlCkCQ

Another tool [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] have you seen this if not share and expose this hypocrite.

Lol thanks for sharing.

 

[SandyB]

Lol thanks for sharing.

Used to be a decent, religious man , good natured at heart. But as they say, "the lure for power, corrupts all ".

 

[kaayal]

Kerala, the great land once again doesn't let me down. Tommy Thachenkeray, that huge fraud and one of the most corrupt, is now the DIG of Kerala Police.... This guy has been suspended numerous times from the police department previously for so many fraud related activities is now leading Kerala Police . Its good to know that the malayalee actor, my dear Dileep Kuttan will now get away scott free from the attempted murder of Malayalee actress Bhavana... Kerala Gods Own Country

Ipom madavan sharikkum kallanayi....

The Police really did a great job in arresting him. I am happy.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ipom madavan sharikkum kallanayi....

The Police really did a great job in arresting him. I am happy.

Justice served, I am quite surprised, I didn't think it was possible. Dileep has admitted to his role in trying to get his henchman to rape/harm Bhavana. He was creating so many issues within the Kerala film industry,affecting people's lives, he controlled the entire Malayalam movie industry, who would get a chance to act and who wont. Karma has come back to bite him, I always said, no one can escape Karma, no matter what religion or person you are, every reaction has an opposite reaction... From an low profile mimicry artist, to famous actor, to a rich businessman and now to jail..... A lesson for everyone, when you pray to god, ask that power to keep you humble during the good times and guide you during the bad times...............

 

[Romali_rotti]

Malayalam movie industry will NEVER be the same, wonder what will now follow...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Thilakan chettan, may his soul rest in peace, was made the villan when he called out AMMA for what it was, a fraud organisation that controls a few people's interest at the cost of so many other lives... Thilakan chettan called out Dileep perfectly when he said: Dileep is Veshammmm

 

[kaayal]

I am surprised too that how the Police got all their evidences linking to conspirancy (which is very difficult to prove without any direct proofs). Even if he gets out now from the court with the support of advocate Aloor, he is finished.

AMMA is another form of Gunda mafia of powerful actors.

 

[SandyB]

Dileep won't stay for long in Jail, the main accused position will be awarded to someone associate with Dileep, like Sallu Bhai's driver.

But now the AMMA men will have to deal with the backlash, especially elected representatives like Innocent, Mukesh and Ganesh, who sided with Dileep. M & M will be super happy, the only credible threat to their hegemony in the film indutry has been now severely weakened, they can now consolidate the industry into an empire with their sons and lackeys.

Dileep still holds considerable influence over the industry though, all those actresses who spoke now, will face the wrath sooner or later. Already Remya Nambeesan, founding member of WCC, had been unofficially banned from Mollywood for the past 2-3 years, simply for being the victims close friend.

 

[SandyB]

Malayalam movie industry will NEVER be the same, wonder what will now follow...

Luckily Malayalam FI's popular identity is no longer these "shoopershtars", guys like Pothan, Aashiq, Lijo, Vineeth , Alphonse and all have through sheer hard work raised the profile of the industry in the past 7 years.

Ofcourse now these guys will start reacting openly, and will then be attacked by the exhibitors and distributors, who'll try to kill the business of their films. Ditto for Rima, Manju and all those WCC members. Unless Dileep is convicted, I don't see his background powerplays not weakening a bit .

 

[alexjohn_tcr]

Aloor is not Dileeps advocate.Adv. ramkumar is defending Dileep.He is one of the senior most criminal lawyers in Kerala

 

[Romali_rotti]

Aloor is not Dileeps advocate.Adv. ramkumar is defending Dileep.He is one of the senior most criminal lawyers in Kerala

Enthokoyannu Alliyachareh vishesham ? Sukhamaennu vijarikunnu...

 

[alexjohn_tcr]

Ha HA sugham thanne aliya..looong time alleforgot my pakpassion password