Kerala Discussion Thread

[Sirris]

South Indian people are generally the best people in all of India, nature wise. Very humble and down to earth. Not to mention they got them brains.

This is an often stated generalization and not true. I used to believe this because that's the impression you get from the internet without having any actual interaction with Indians.

Then from my own experience I found out that it's just a fairytale. There are good people and bad people everywhere. This divide of South indians being the most friendly and smart Indians isn't true. Not even one bit. My guess would be its just the South Indians own insecurities which led to this urban legend on the internet.

 

[SandyB]

Agreed with everything you said, except the last line .

What can the BJP actually do if they win here . ?? There isn't ONE competent leader in the party . The love for Modi and hindutva is all that's keeping it going here. Onion Sura and Kumman Ji have shown no skill expect to propagate lies on FB and talk communal drivel. Less said about Shobha the better .

We have a saying amongst the locals that even if you want them to win, you can't have Rajagopal contesting all 140 legislative seats .. The lack of any decent leadership is appalling , even with all their faults the CPM and Congress have always cultivated good youth level leaders from their student wings in colleges.

And as far as incorruptibility goes, the same BJP is already in backroom talks (out in the open) with one Messr K.M. Mani to join the NDA , who is arguably the most corrupt minister in kerala's history , and a proper communal leader (Kerala congress after all is the most Pro Christian Party here), and he is the alleged hand involved in derailing the famous Abhaya murder case and many others to save the church.

Well well well .

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kerala-bjp-leader-took-rs-5-60-crore-to-get-mci-nod-for-college-reports/story-IZZoemuEcNcEtQm08GFhlL.html

A BJP probe panel has found that a Kerala party leader accepted Rs 5.60 crore from a businessman on the promise of getting the Medical Council of India’s (MCI) nod for a college, local media reports have said.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...s-dent-bjp-image-in-state/article19309116.ece

Mallu politicians will always remain Mallu politicians.

It's naive to think that BJP leaders some sort of divine beings untouched by any corruption . Modiji may be single and his family may have no political/economic interests, and I agree the top brass of the BJP is comparatively corruption free, but the sheer hypocrisy of the Kerala BJPs "anti corruption crusade"[/B and their high horses stands exposed now.

All this from a party that has only 1 MLA and 16 % vote share in the ENTIRE STATE !.

Imagine what these bozos would do once they have some serious power !

What say [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=5318]alexjohn_tcr[/MENTION] [MENTION=140104]Hornbill[/MENTION] [MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION]

 

[kaayal]

Well well well .

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kerala-bjp-leader-took-rs-5-60-crore-to-get-mci-nod-for-college-reports/story-IZZoemuEcNcEtQm08GFhlL.html





Mallu politicians will always remain Mallu politicians.

It's naive to think that BJP leaders some sort of divine beings untouched by any corruption . Modiji may be single and his family may have no political/economic interests, and I agree the top brass of the BJP is comparatively corruption free, but the sheer hypocrisy of the Kerala BJPs "anti corruption crusade"[/B and their high horses stands exposed now.

All this from a party that has only 1 MLA and 16 % vote share in the ENTIRE STATE !.

Imagine what these bozos would do once they have some serious power !

What say [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=5318]alexjohn_tcr[/MENTION] [MENTION=140104]Hornbill[/MENTION] [MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION]

Add M T Ramesh too in that list. Next in the line is former DGP Senkumar who is now caught up with some communal remark. Still the centre is pumping a lot of money for their campaign here. Who knows whether Kummanam will be our next CM or not?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Add M T Ramesh too in that list. Next in the line is former DGP Senkumar who is now caught up with some communal remark. Still the centre is pumping a lot of money for their campaign here. Who knows whether Kummanam will be our next CM or not?

It should be investigated if what ex DGP said was factual or not, instead of whether it hurts someone and he should be politically correct.

 

[SandyB]

It should be investigated if what ex DGP said was factual or not, instead of whether it hurts someone and he should be politically correct.

It is being investigated. Muslims having a higher birthrate than hindu or christian communities is a fact in Kerala. You need not associate that with some sort of sinister conspiracy though. But the issue is about many other remarks made by him, which have a deeply communal tone.

Statements like "There are some good people amongst muslims too" is highly offensive and not indicative of the nature/history of the majority of muslims in kerala.

I am of the opinion though, that the allegations of radicalization attempts made in Kerala needs to be thoroughly investigated. There is a very widespread feeling amongst the kerala Hindu community (both upper and lower castes, my personal experience) that the attitude of both the past CPM and Congress governments towards this issue has been lax. The sangh is using popular figures like Senkumar to inflame those feelings.

 

[kaayal]

It should be investigated if what ex DGP said was factual or not, instead of whether it hurts someone and he should be politically correct.

The Cyber police have booked a case against former Kerala Police chief T P Senkumar for his controversial remarks. The case has been booked under Section 153A of the IPC, which is non-bailable. Director General of Prosecutions Manjeri Sreedharan Nair had given the legal advice to the government to book Senkumar. The legal advice pointed out that Senkumar had issued a statement, which could instigate communal hatred and added that cases could be booked against him. The report said a case can be registered against Senkumar and the publisher of the weekly.

Tbh this guy was widely admired by the public after his standoff with the govt. But he retracted the love jihad comment after that. Now running for anticipatory bail.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It is being investigated. Muslims having a higher birthrate than hindu or christian communities is a fact in Kerala. You need not associate that with some sort of sinister conspiracy though. But the issue is about many other remarks made by him, which have a deeply communal tone.

Statements like "There are some good people amongst muslims too" is highly offensive and not indicative of the nature/history of the majority of muslims in kerala.

I am of the opinion though, that the allegations of radicalization attempts made in Kerala needs to be thoroughly investigated. There is a very widespread feeling amongst the kerala Hindu community (both upper and lower castes, my personal experience) that the attitude of both the past CPM and Congress governments towards this issue has been lax. The sangh is using popular figures like Senkumar to inflame those feelings.

Agree that the statement you quoted is offensive and irresponsible from a top cop. Looks like Sangh has joined the fray too, with the church and saudi money being the older players. Whoever of these wins, kerala is going to lose. I would ideally like Kerala to have one third each of christians, hindus and muslims. Demographics change is a danger and no one should be allowed to manipulate it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The Cyber police have booked a case against former Kerala Police chief T P Senkumar for his controversial remarks. The case has been booked under Section 153A of the IPC, which is non-bailable. Director General of Prosecutions Manjeri Sreedharan Nair had given the legal advice to the government to book Senkumar. The legal advice pointed out that Senkumar had issued a statement, which could instigate communal hatred and added that cases could be booked against him. The report said a case can be registered against Senkumar and the publisher of the weekly.

Tbh this guy was widely admired by the public after his standoff with the govt. But he retracted the love jihad comment after that. Now running for anticipatory bail.

I never believed in the love jihad theory, till I talked to police officers from a few states. They said it exists. Some of the internal talks by the top cops (they have an online group in which you get membership after you are verified that you are a police officer) was leaked a couple of years back and was controversial for their discussion on love jihad.

 

[kaayal]

I never believed in the love jihad theory, till I talked to police officers from a few states. They said it exists. Some of the internal talks by the top cops (they have an online group in which you get membership after you are verified that you are a police officer) was leaked a couple of years back and was controversial for their discussion on love jihad.

These things should be seriously investigated for sure. Nothing should cast a doubt among people's mind. I haven't seen any but if there are people like this they should be definitely caught and kept behind bars asap....

 

[CricketCartoons]

These things should be seriously investigated for sure. Nothing should cast a doubt among people's mind. I haven't seen any but if there are people like this they should be definitely caught and kept behind bars asap....

I think this is hard to police, and is also a delicate matter. If spoken in public, it will lead to distrust between two religions. Should be left to parents, and govt agencies can target the fundings. Personally, I would not like my daughter to marry a muslim, unless he is rich/top govt officer and loves her.

 

[kaayal]

I think this is hard to police, and is also a delicate matter. If spoken in public, it will lead to distrust between two religions. Should be left to parents, and govt agencies can target the fundings. Personally, I would not like my daughter to marry a muslim, unless he is rich/top govt officer and loves her.

Kerala HC has asked the police to probe into this issue and submit a report. I hope they also investigate the activities of SDPI, PFI and other such radical organisations in this matter. There are high chances that these goons are involved in this.

 

[SandyB]

A look into Kerala's secularism and its future.

I've been asked by [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] in another thread to comment on what I feel coud happen to Kerala's inter-communal situation in the future.

So I'm collecting my ideas on the subject in a two part writeup , here, which I thought was more relevant than posting it in the other thread. [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]).

I'll post part 2 soon .

Part one :

The future of Kerala's secularism

First of all, to understand the secularism of Kerala and it's future, you need to see how it all came about . We need to keep in mind some basic tenets :

1.

The landmass of Kerala , was generally cut off from the rest of mainland India by the Western Ghats, which for those coming from the northern side, was accessible only by the passes at Mysore. Add to that the highly hilly and forested terrain and lack of vast fertile plains. This meant we were unaffected historically and culturally by many events that shaped the religious identity of the mainland. ​

2.

Both abrahamic religions came to our state at a much earlier time period, Christianity - 3rd century AD and Islam- late 7th Century
​

3.

Malayalis tend to generalize that the relationships between Hindus - Muslims- Christians in Kerala can be extrapolated throughout the nation. It was never similar and it will never be so.

So it's futile for us to expect the same relationships between faiths in other parts of India, which will be ignoring the distinctive cultual/political history of those regions. ​

What made the religious history of Kerala unique is that :

• Neither of the foreign religions came here by the sword (initially). The first Christians to come here were the Syrians around 200-300 AD (the St.Thomas theory largely remains unverified and hence can bee seen more of as a myth), and later Persian Christians
  
  They competed with the Jews (who were here since 1st centiry AD) and local Buddhists and Jains (Aryan/Vedic hinduism hadn't arrived yet), initially for trade.
  
  The arrival of Brahmins in large numbers from Karnataka/Andhra changed things somewhere around 7th or 8th century.
  
  They gained control of society via priesthood and advisory positions to rulers. The Budhist / jain traditions were suppressed, the generally nature worshiping non-vedic beliefs of Keralites were integrated into modern Vedic Hindu faith under the Brahmins (nampoothiris), who established the caste system as a means structuring society in their control.
  
  They also rewarded certain communities of Kerala with social privileges, for taking their side. So the nasrani christians bacame upper castes, so did the Nairs . While the thiyyas/ezhavas who had jain/budhist traditions along with the nature worship, had opposed the brahmins and, were integrated as untouchables. The dalits were more or less at the bottom , even during the pre-nambuthiri period.
  
  So we could say that , modern hinduism of kerala kind of evolved around the same time that Christianity and sometime later Islam developed. So unlike the north, there isn't the same situation of a well established native religion (hinduism), being displaced by a fresh arrival (Abrahamic faiths).
  
  
  
• Islam came to Kerala primarily via trade and not through any military Invasion.
  
  Kerala had flourishing trade with the Middle East even before the arrival of Islam. The kerala kings , at the time saw the need of keeping the Arabs (who controlled trade through the arabian sea - till the portuguese arrival), so the Arabs were encouraged to marry local women (Mappila = Son-in-Law in Tamil) and spread their faiths and set up mosques.
  The legend of the Cheraman king converting to Islam and visiting mecca all give credibility to favorable position the Arab descendants enjoyed here. Also the Zamorin of calicut usually had the navy manned by mappilah men, again to favour the Arabs.
  
  So Islam was always seen an naturally integrated to kerala, far more than in any other part of India.
  
  
  
• The spread of Islam and Christianity in Kerala were aided heavily by the oppressiveness of Kerala's caste system , which did not discriminate against other religions.
  
  The nasrani christians were well established as Upper castes already. The muslims though not considered UC, still had patronage from the rulers so the were not discriminated the same way as the avarna hindus.
  
  So there was a lot to be gained by the lower castes in converting, fredom of worship, movement, education etc to name a few. The huge number of christian conversions in erstwhile travancore(which had some of the more oppressive caste laws) during the 19th and early 20th centuries (mostly ezhavas) and the huge muslim population in Malappuram which was an erstwhile Brahmin stronghold are all indicators of that .
  
  Again this meant that the two foreign religions were voluntarily received by a huge number of keralite hindus.
  

But the weakening of kerala's amicable communal relationships also has some historical roots. That and what we could see in the future will be explained in the next post.

 

[TM Riddle]

[MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] are there any Kshatriyas in Kerala?

 

[Smbhayi]

[MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] are there any Kshatriyas in Kerala?

Narasimha Mannadiar

 

[SandyB]

[MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] are there any Kshatriyas in Kerala?

There is no specific "chaturvarnya" system in Kerala.

The Ancient Chera kings of Tamilakam (From which Kerala culture originates) were mostly nature worshipers and were later influenced by Buddhist and Jain practices.

Chera_dynasty#Society_and_religion

Large scale Brahmanical migration between 6th and 8th century AD, is what brought the structured caste sysytem to Kerala, but it still didn't follow the 4 Varnas strictly.

The closest thing to Kshatriyas we have in kerala are from the Nair caste , which includes subgroups such as Menon, Pillai, Nair , Nambiar etc . Who were accorded Shudra status by the Brahmins (or Aryan Jains ?), but allowed to perform Kshatriya functions.

Nair#Caste_system

The Nambudiri Brahmins were at the top of the ritual caste hierarchy and in that system outranked even the kings.[26] They regarded all Nairs as shudra. Below the Nambudiris came the Tamil Brahmins and other later immigrants of the Brahmin varna. Beyond this, the precise ranking is subject to some difference in opinion. Kodoth has placed the Samantan caste below the Kshatriya rank but above the Nairs, but Gough considers that the Pushpagans and Chakyars, both of which were the highest ranked in the group of temple servants known as Ambalavasis, were ranked between the Brahmins and the Nairs, as were several other members of the Ambalavasi group.[27] She also believes that some Nairs adopted the title of Samantan in order to emphasise their superiority over others in their caste.[28] The unwillingness of the higher varnas to engage in what they considered to be the polluting activities of industrial and commercial activity has been cited as a reason for the region's relatively limited economic development.[29][30][31]


A theory has been proposed for the origins of the caste system in the Kerala region based on the actions of the Aryan Jains introducing such distinctions prior to the 8th-century AD. This argues that the Jains needed protection when they arrived in the area and recruited sympathetic local people to provide it. These people were then distinguished from others in the local population by their occupation as protectors, with the others all being classed as out-caste. The cross-disciplinary historian Cyriac Pullapilly describes that this meant they "... were given kshatriya functions, but only shudra status. Thus originated the Nairs."[34]

An alternate theory states that the system was introduced by the Nambudiri Brahmins. Although Brahmin influences had existed in the area since at least the 1st-century AD, there was a large influx from around the 8th-century when they acted as priests, counselors and ministers to invading Aryan princes. At the time of their arrival the non-aboriginal local population had been converted to Buddhism by missionaries who had come from the north of India and from Ceylon. The Brahmins used their symbiotic relationship with the invading forces to assert their beliefs and position. Buddhist temples and monasteries were either destroyed or taken over for use in Hindu practices, thus undermining the ability of the Buddhists to propagate their beliefs. The Brahmins treated almost all of those who acceded to their priestly status as shudra, permitting only a small number to be recognised as kshatriya, these being some of the local rulers who co-operated with them. Certainly by the 11th-century, this combination of association with kings and invaders, and with the destruction or take-over of Buddhist temples, had made the Brahmins by far the largest group owning land in the region and they were to remain so until very recent times. Their introduction of Sanskrit and their melding of it with the local Tamil language to form Malayalam was also striking. Their dominating influence was to be found in all matters: religion, politics, society, economics and culture.[34]

The usual four-tier Hindu caste system, involving the varnas of Brahmin (priest), Kshatriya (warrior), Vaishya (business person, involved in trading, entrepreneurship and finance) and Shudra (service person), did not exist. Kshatriyas were rare and the Vaishyas were not present at all. The roles left empty by the absence of these two ritual ranks were taken to some extent by a few Nairs and by non-Hindu immigrants, respectively.[29]

Thus , in the absence of the traditional "Kshatriya posts", the groups within the Nair caste took up many of the "Kshatriya functions". Them being a traditional Marital race ( nairs and Thiyya/Ezhava were the main marital races present in Kerala, both communities have unproven theories of them being descendant from some nomadic tribes from the north of India and above, the same tribes who allegedly are the forerunners of the Jatts and similar north india marital communities. But the theories are unproven).

This led to the emergence of the Nair based kingdoms which ruled kerala till Independance.

Samantha_Kshatriya

The Samanta Kshatriya are a community resident in Kerala, India. The Samanta Kshatriyas make up a part of the former royal families of the Hindu kingdoms and princely states that existed until the creation of the Republic of India. Since most of the members of the Samanta Kshatriya community were royalty, their residences are still called Swaroopams or kottaram or kovilakams which all mean palace in Malayalam. Members of this community hold the surname Koil Thampuran, Varma and Raja.

Unlike most Kshatriyas (warriors) found in India, Samanta Kshatriyas rarely took an active part in warfare, relying instead on their cousins like the Kiryathil Nairs and Illathu Nairs to command armies. The Samanta Kshatriya also followed a matrilineal system of inheritance known as Marumakkathayam.

So [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] if you come across a mallu with a surname "Varma/Verma", he/she is very likely to belong to the later era ruling class of Kerala.

But the ruling class were more or less under Brahmin control till the period of independence.

The name Varma is derived from Dravidian word varamban (which was used to denote "ruler". So it may also have been adopted by all the communities that performed administrative functions.

Northern surnames such as Verma, Varma , Burman, Devvarman etc are all variations of this root word. But they need not be related to the malayali "varma" kings.

Varma_(surname)

 

[TM Riddle]

There is no specific "chaturvarnya" system in Kerala.

The Ancient Chera kings of Tamilakam (From which Kerala culture originates) were mostly nature worshipers and were later influenced by Buddhist and Jain practices.

Chera_dynasty#Society_and_religion

Large scale Brahmanical migration between 6th and 8th century AD, is what brought the structured caste sysytem to Kerala, but it still didn't follow the 4 Varnas strictly.

The closest thing to Kshatriyas we have in kerala are from the Nair caste , which includes subgroups such as Menon, Pillai, Nair , Nambiar etc . Who were accorded Shudra status by the Brahmins (or Aryan Jains ?), but allowed to perform Kshatriya functions.

Nair#Caste_system



Thus , in the absence of the traditional "Kshatriya posts", the groups within the Nair caste took up many of the "Kshatriya functions". Them being a traditional Marital race ( nairs and Thiyya/Ezhava were the main marital races present in Kerala, both communities have unproven theories of them being descendant from some nomadic tribes from the north of India and above, the same tribes who allegedly are the forerunners of the Jatts and similar north india marital communities. But the theories are unproven).

This led to the emergence of the Nair based kingdoms which ruled kerala till Independance.

Samantha_Kshatriya



So [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] if you come across a mallu with a surname "Varma/Verma", he/she is very likely to belong to the later era ruling class of Kerala.

But the ruling class were more or less under Brahmin control till the period of independence.

The name Varma is derived from Dravidian word varamban (which was used to denote "ruler". So it may also have been adopted by all the communities that performed administrative functions.

Northern surnames such as Verma, Varma , Burman, Devvarman etc are all variations of this root word. But they need not be related to the malayali "varma" kings.

Varma_(surname)

So basically no kshatriyas in Malayalam land.
Time to conquer Kerala [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]

 

[CricketCartoons]

So basically no kshatriyas in Malayalam land.
Time to conquer Kerala [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]

Hukum, I tried to conquer Kerala but failed.

 

[TM Riddle]

Hukum, I tried to conquer Kerala but failed.

I remember that.Them wretched Christians :/

 

[SandyB]

I remember that.Them wretched Christians :/

Well like I said in my post, the Syrian Christians/Nasranis and Jews performed vaishya functions in Kerala society. The Jews faded out due to not marrying locals. The Nasranis moved towards education,healthcare sectors as well as cultivation of high profit crops like rubber.

This made them far more developed socially and economically and thereby the most advanced community of Kerala. The "vaishya" functions of trade and businesses were more or less taken up by the Moplahs.

 

[TM Riddle]

[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]
I absolutely loved the indian school of commerce students' dance performance on Jimikki Kammal.Couldnt understand a single word but the music was awesome and the girls were really nice too in the traditional attire
) Also them lungi clad tharkis at the end

 

[kaayal]

[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]
I absolutely loved the indian school of commerce students' dance performance on Jimikki Kammal.Couldnt understand a single word but the music was awesome and the girls were really nice too in the traditional attire
) Also them lungi clad tharkis at the end

Agree completely lol..)

 

[SandyB]

[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]

Translation of the Song

Here's the actual; song from the film :

 

[kaayal]

[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]

Translation of the Song

Here's the actual; song from the film :

Mohanlalinte cyclinu vare oru cherivundullo Allah...

 

[SandyB]

Mohanlalinte cyclinu vare oru cherivundullo Allah...

Our own Leaning tower of Pisa.

 

[Protea Fan]

@<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=133135" target="_blank">kaayal</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=140459" target="_blank">SandyB</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=428" target="_blank">Romali_rotti</a>
I absolutely loved the indian school of commerce students' dance performance on Jimikki Kammal.Couldnt understand a single word but the music was awesome and the girls were really nice too in the traditional attire
) Also them lungi clad tharkis at the end

Another one....the song is just creating havoc

 

[finalfantasy7]

Ain't the whole of kerala living in UAE?

 

[SandyB]

Ain't the whole of kerala living in UAE?

Still 37 million back home man. Need to send out more.

 

[SandyB]

Another one....the song is just creating havoc

Heard that one of these girls is of Malayali origin.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Still 37 million back home man. Need to send out more.

Was told by my cousin who's visiting me from sharjar

 

[SandyB]

Was told by my cousin who's visiting me from sharjar

Traditionally we have been migrating to the UAE since late 60's and are the biggest and most influential Indian community there.

 

[SandyB]

[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION]

In case you wanted the lyrics, they have put up a Lyric video :

And the best version yet ! [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]

Lalettan (Mohanlal) dancing to the song :

 

[kaayal]

Hmmm no. I like Mohanlal's acting but for me the best version of Jimikki kamal is this one.

Cuteness overload at 0.56second.

 

[TM Riddle]

[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION]

In case you wanted the lyrics, they have put up a Lyric video :

And the best version yet ! [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]

Lalettan (Mohanlal) dancing to the song :

lol you aren't gonna believe it but I have already listened to the official version a thousand times and know all the lyrics by heart

 

[troodon]

Why do Malayalees have weird spellings for names.

Just from the above video, I can see a name Renjith. Isn't it Ranjit?

 

[Dingolfy]

Why do Malayalees have weird spellings for names.

Just from the above video, I can see a name Renjith. Isn't it Ranjit?

Because they are mallu names first, not the other way round.Every Indian tries to write the spelling in the way they pronounce in their mother tongue.To get the correct pronunciation of a mallu Ranjit, you need to write it as Renjith.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Had to share this one too ...lol..

 

[SandyB]

Why do Malayalees have weird spellings for names.

Just from the above video, I can see a name Renjith. Isn't it Ranjit?

Mallu names starting 'R' are pronounced with a soft 'R', not like how telugus pronounce "raaa" . More like "raudra" ..

We also tend to pronounce it as "re" instead of "ra" ..

SO its : Ravi(Revi)രവി , Ramya(Remya) രമ്യ , Ranjith(Renjith)രഞ്ജിത്ത് etc etc.. Some mallus tend to literally spell it the exact way we pronounce it .

So
"Vidya" is "Vidhya"
Siva is "Shiva"
Srinivas is "Shreenivas" .

Since malayalam has a lot of consonants we tend to extend the same convention in spelling malayalam words in English .

 

[kaayal]

Had to share this one too ...lol..

Are you a malayali?

 

[Suleiman]

Sounds like the Lalukhet of India.

 

[SandyB]

Sounds like the Lalukhet of India.

Whats that ? Are you talking about some Bhojpuri Song ?

 

[Suleiman]

Whats that ? Are you talking about some Bhojpuri Song ?

Lalukhet is a neighborhood in a town in Karachi. Kerala gives me the same vibe albeit on a larger scale.

 

[TM Riddle]

How do you guys pronounce Kozhikode? I pronounce it as Ko-zi-kode. Is that right?

 

[CricketCartoons]

How do you guys pronounce Kozhikode? I pronounce it as Ko-zi-kode. Is that right?

That's the correct pronunciation. although some madras friends can't utter the zha sound and say ko ree kode.

 

[kaayal]

Lalukhet is a neighborhood in a town in Karachi. Kerala gives me the same vibe albeit on a larger scale.

Kerala is just a tropical state whose people love it dearly.

 

[kaayal]

How do you guys pronounce Kozhikode? I pronounce it as Ko-zi-kode. Is that right?

That's the correct pronunciation. although some madras friends can't utter the zha sound and say ko ree kode.

Just say Calicut, we don't mind it.

It's better to say calicut than butcher our malayalam name.

 

[SandyB]

Lalukhet is a neighborhood in a town in Karachi. Kerala gives me the same vibe albeit on a larger scale.

Hmm. Never heard of it . Is it a tropical place with moderate and humid temperature ?

Kerala is pretty much Identical to Sri lanka though.

 

[SandyB]

Just say Calicut, we don't mind it.

It's better to say calicut than butcher our malayalam name.

Well, majority of that butchering is done by your own people . You simpleton malabaris can't even say "Zha" , using baby-speak like Koyikkod

 

[kaayal]

Well, majority of that butchering is done by your own people . You simpleton malabaris can't even say "Zha" , using baby-speak like Koyikkod

It doesn't matter what our own people say. Better than koreekode or kozikode.

Nammalku oru paraspara daaranayil angatu ingattum oru neeku pokil munnotu poykoode. Enth parayunnu maashe?

 

[TM Riddle]

Just say Calicut, we don't mind it.

It's better to say calicut than butcher our malayalam name.

Still.Ache se pronounce kese karenge?

 

[SandyB]

It doesn't matter what our own people say. Better than koreekode or kozikode.

Nammalku oru paraspara daaranayil angatu ingattum oru neeku pokil munnotu poykoode. Enth parayunnu maashe?

It ain't fun if we Kochi / Ernakulam boyz don't get to shove our "vikasanam' down other mallus throats all the time .

 

[SandyB]

Still.Ache se pronounce kese karenge?

Read the first line of the article - They have the pronunciation Audio.

 

[kaayal]

Still.Ache se pronounce kese karenge?

Try this one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kozhikode_mal.ogg

 

[troodon]

Mallu names starting 'R' are pronounced with a soft 'R', not like how telugus pronounce "raaa" . More like "raudra" ..

We also tend to pronounce it as "re" instead of "ra" ..

SO its : Ravi(Revi)രവി , Ramya(Remya) രമ്യ , Ranjith(Renjith)രഞ്ജിത്ത് etc etc.. Some mallus tend to literally spell it the exact way we pronounce it .

So
"Vidya" is "Vidhya"
Siva is "Shiva"
Srinivas is "Shreenivas" .

Since malayalam has a lot of consonants we tend to extend the same convention in spelling malayalam words in English .

Thanks.

I have seen Mallu people with names like Shiju, Jobin, Binoy... Do they have special meaning in Malayalam?

 

[SandyB]

Thanks.

I have seen Mallu people with names like Shiju, Jobin, Binoy... Do they have special meaning in Malayalam?

Nopes, they just love fancy cooked up names, especially the hindus and Christians. Muslims do it too , but past decade has seen them return to more "Arabic" sounding names.

Different Kind of mallu naming conventions :

1. The parents try to ensure that all the kids have either the 1st or the 2nd half of the names identical. Back when everyone had 10-12 children this would've helped them remember the kids easily, but I see no reason why people do it now . So you have : Bineesh-Saneesh-Sajeesh, Biji-Riji-Siji, Liju-Biju-Siju, Bibin-Cibin, Shyma-Shyja, Anagh-Anagha etc etc
2. Some parents will attempt to add one or both of the spouses names to form the Kids name - Beena's children will be named Beenu/Seena, Rajan's children will be Raji, Rajeev , Bose's daughter will be Bosmi, Jose's daughter will be Josmi/Josnie etc
3. Random inanimate objects - Sony, Mony (pronounced Money) , Daisy, Honey, Happy, Sun, Tini
4. Random cooked up names which actually mean nothing, but are usually 2 syllable - Tinu, Mini, Simi, Lini, Siby, Mittu, Tity (I kid you not !)
5. "Viraat" Hindus these days (mainly upper castes and rich OBCs ) love to give their kids highly aryanised/sanskritised names - Dushyanth, Aarav, Deekshit , Aayush etc etc , a far cry from typical mallu hindu names like - Vishnu, Shivan, Krishnan, Raman, Prakashan
6. A lot of Mallu muslims, upto our millenial generations were named with silly first names preceding the proper muslim names . I bet [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] would have one too - Like Sana, Niya, Sija, Aby, Neethu , Amal , Febina/Febi etc
7. Syrian/Catholic Christians have a peculiar habit , the 1st son will be named after the maternal grandfather always ! - So if your daddy was Cherian and your name was Joseph CHerian, your son will be Cherian Joseph, and his son will be Joseph cherian and so on. )

 

[troodon]

Nopes, they just love fancy cooked up names, especially the hindus and Christians. Muslims do it too , but past decade has seen them return to more "Arabic" sounding names.

Different Kind of mallu naming conventions :

1. The parents try to ensure that all the kids have either the 1st or the 2nd half of the names identical. Back when everyone had 10-12 children this would've helped them remember the kids easily, but I see no reason why people do it now . So you have : Bineesh-Saneesh-Sajeesh, Biji-Riji-Siji, Liju-Biju-Siju, Bibin-Cibin, Shyma-Shyja, Anagh-Anagha etc etc
2. Some parents will attempt to add one or both of the spouses names to form the Kids name - Beena's children will be named Beenu/Seena, Rajan's children will be Raji, Rajeev , Bose's daughter will be Bosmi, Jose's daughter will be Josmi/Josnie etc
3. Random inanimate objects - Sony, Mony (pronounced Money) , Daisy, Honey, Happy, Sun, Tini
4. Random cooked up names which actually mean nothing, but are usually 2 syllable - Tinu, Mini, Simi, Lini, Siby, Mittu, Tity (I kid you not !)
5. "Viraat" Hindus these days (mainly upper castes and rich OBCs ) love to give their kids highly aryanised/sanskritised names - Dushyanth, Aarav, Deekshit , Aayush etc etc , a far cry from typical mallu hindu names like - Vishnu, Shivan, Krishnan, Raman, Prakashan
6. A lot of Mallu muslims, upto our millenial generations were named with silly first names preceding the proper muslim names . I bet [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] would have one too - Like Sana, Niya, Sija, Aby, Neethu , Amal , Febina/Febi etc
7. Syrian/Catholic Christians have a peculiar habit , the 1st son will be named after the maternal grandfather always ! - So if your daddy was Cherian and your name was Joseph CHerian, your son will be Cherian Joseph, and his son will be Joseph cherian and so on. )

Interesting. So most have cooked up names then without any meaning. Hence they sound weird to even us rest of Southies.

 

[SandyB]

Interesting. So most have cooked up names then without any meaning. Hence they sound weird to even us rest of Southies.

You guys have it so easy , name every boy Venkata and every alternate girl Mounika

 

[CricketCartoons]

Kerala: Nurse attacked during vaccination drive in Malappuram [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION]. Not good signs for the future of Kerala.

 

[kaayal]

Kerala: Nurse attacked during vaccination drive in Malappuram [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION]. Not good signs for the future of Kerala.

That's my district. maximum muslim population and the most backward district in Kerala. Now this MR campaign success percentage in Malappuram is 34% when the rest of districts have around 70-80%. Even educated people(except doctors and health workers) are scared because of the anti vaccination brigade in social media like FB and whatsapp. Autism, Americans drugs testing on us ********....

I myself have witnessed a lot of opposition even in my family when i forced them to take their child for MR vaccine. I don't think whether they have taken even now also. Some of the doctors are bringing their child and publicly vaccinating to show the parents that it's safe. My people will never learn even after the diphtheria deaths. Its about the safety of ll people, not only them.

Pinarayi Govt should definitely act strong on this. Strict punishment should be given to these gundas and anti vaccination campigns. Vaccination should be made compulsory for childrens especially in Malappuram. Herd immunity is required for the elimintion of any disease.

 

[kaayal]

These idiots are not even realising that they are harming themselves and also the rest of the vaccinated kids also.

 

[kaayal]

This picture went viral few weeks ago......



http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/story-behind-viral-picture-doctor-pleading-and-malappuram-s-anti-vaccination-problem-69610

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's my district. maximum muslim population and the most backward district in Kerala. Now this MR campaign success percentage in Malappuram is 34% when the rest of districts have around 70-80%. Even educated people(except doctors and health workers) are scared because of the anti vaccination brigade in social media like FB and whatsapp. Autism, Americans drugs testing on us ********....

I myself have witnessed a lot of opposition even in my family when i forced them to take their child for MR vaccine. I don't think whether they have taken even now also. Some of the doctors are bringing their child and publicly vaccinating to show the parents that it's safe. My people will never learn even after the diphtheria deaths. Its about the safety of ll people, not only them.

Pinarayi Govt should definitely act strong on this. Strict punishment should be given to these gundas and anti vaccination campigns. Vaccination should be made compulsory for childrens especially in Malappuram. Herd immunity is required for the elimintion of any disease.

Anyone taking action will be labelled anti muslim communal.

 

[kaayal]

Anyone taking action will be labelled anti muslim communal.

check out this link of a blog spreading rumors and lies in the name of "International human rights Association" and the people of my community are easily gullible for these things. You can translate it to English through the link inside it.

http://vaccinationkerala.blogspot.in/2017/06/kerala-after-vaccination-dangerous-side.html?m=1

its actually pathetic considering each district in Kerala including Malappuram have around 250 pediatricians individually and still we are unable to convince our people.

 

[JaDed]

Kannur: The Taliparamba police want the girl students of the National Institute of Fashion Technology (NIFT) to ‘maintain certain discipline and not go outside alone at night’. The police made the request after students had held a protest demonstration a week ago and said that over 50 instances of harassment had happened during the present semester.
At the same time, the overall feeling among the police is that such cases are not reported from any other campus because girls there do not venture out at odd hours and dress appropriately. Now, police have started night patrolling and CCTV cameras will be installed soon as a deterrent.
“We do everything possible to prevent such attacks. But we have a request; girls should maintain certain discipline and not go out alone at night,” said Taliparamba DSP K V Venugopal.
Though students had filed two complaints a couple of months ago and police arrested two persons, instances of such harassment are increasing said NIFT student Namitha Asif. “We represent a premier institute with students from all parts of the country. But we feel insecure outside the campus during evenings because anti-social elements target, stalk and harass us. At times the talk is crude with sexual overtones,” she said.
NIFT is part of a huge campus that includes Government Engineering College, Ayurveda Medical College and Kannur University. Girls studying at NIFT had complained that were a worried lot as they have to put up eve-teasing and harassment in the neighbourhood.
NIFT director Elangovan N said that the institute has a cosmopolitan culture. “This kind of eve-teasing is serious because it will affect the confidence of our students, especially girls,” he said.

Faculty member Mukthi Sumangala felt that such incidents reflected how women-friendly and gender-sensitive is the society.
Naeema Neefa, a postgraduate student at NIFT, said that when girls fight for a secure space and gender equality, people should stop considering them as mere physical objects.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/no-solo-outings-at-night-cops-tell-nift-girls/articleshow/63388290.cms

 

[JaDed]

The more I read the more i realize that all states in India are not that different,gender bias exists everywhere,literacy might matter zilch.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The more I read the more i realize that all states in India are not that different,gender bias exists everywhere,literacy might matter zilch.

It is for their own safety. This is India and the faux feminists and pseudo liberals should realize that precaution and prevention is better than crying for justice.

 

[JaDed]

It is for their own safety. This is India and the faux feminists and pseudo liberals should realize that precaution and prevention is better than crying for justice.

Or maybe 3 days of week Men should stay at home,for prevention.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Or maybe 3 days of week Men should stay at home,for prevention.

But men face lesser threat than women, so why would men volunteer to stay at home?

 

[babloos]

The more I read the more i realize that all states in India are not that different,gender bias exists everywhere,literacy might matter zilch.

i still feel they are best of the rest followed by other south indian states.sex ratio gives you better idea then literacy

 

[TM Riddle]

http://googleweblight.com/i?u=http:...angs-on-to-the-wedding-sari-5110440/&hl=en-IN
Wow didn't know this sort of racism was prevalent among the historically "oppressed" communities as well.
And here I thought Brahmins were the sole reason behind dividing South India on caste lines. [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] You are exposed big time here. Next time think twice before accusing Brahmins or other upper castes.

 

[SandyB]

http://googleweblight.com/i?u=http:...angs-on-to-the-wedding-sari-5110440/&hl=en-IN
Wow didn't know this sort of racism was prevalent among the historically "oppressed" communities as well.
And here I thought Brahmins were the sole reason behind dividing South India on caste lines. [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] You are exposed big time here. Next time think twice before accusing Brahmins or other upper castes.

I have talked enough and more about how messed up the caste system is in kerala and how each caste discrimintaes against the ones lower to them. Show me one place where I say the OBCs DON'T oppress the dalits..

You are talking out of your **** here riddle. The varna system is the contribution of the brahmins, there is no denying that . But a community having less than 5% the population could not have maintained it in society without generous willing participation from the other castes.

Don't use me to further your agenda .. Pretty much in every thread on the situation of dalits in South India I have mentioned that the OBC castes like mine are just as bad towards them as the upper castes., or even worse.

 

[BlackShadow]

Love Kerala, beautiful state and even more beautiful people. <3

 

[TM Riddle]

I have talked enough and more about how messed up the caste system is in kerala and how each caste discrimintaes against the ones lower to them. Show me one place where I say the OBCs DON'T oppress the dalits..

You are talking out of your **** here riddle. The varna system is the contribution of the brahmins, there is no denying that . But a community having less than 5% the population could not have maintained it in society without generous willing participation from the other castes.

Don't use me to further your agenda .. Pretty much in every thread on the situation of dalits in South India I have mentioned that the OBC castes like mine are just as bad towards them as the upper castes., or even worse.

It's a well known fact about Brahmins propagating Varna system but you have always implied as if they were the source of all divisions in the South and that how South India was relatively free of these divisions up until Brahmins arrived and sowed up the seeds of hatred.
Your hypocrisy has been exposed big time here . For the last two years you have been on an crusade against Upper castes ridiculing and undermining their cultural influence in South.
Keep shifting the goalposts now. You have been outrightly caught out lying here .

 

[babloos]

http://googleweblight.com/i?u=http:...angs-on-to-the-wedding-sari-5110440/&hl=en-IN
Wow didn't know this sort of racism was prevalent among the historically "oppressed" communities as well.
And here I thought Brahmins were the sole reason behind dividing South India on caste lines. [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] You are exposed big time here. Next time think twice before accusing Brahmins or other upper castes.

that headline itself was very sad to read

 

[TM Riddle]

that headline itself was very sad to read

I had a misfortune to read it early in the morning. Spoiled whole my mood for the day.

 

[JaDed]

Can't wait to have malabar paneer,apparently experimenting shouldn't be allowed according to many Malayalees.
Kerala seems to be the other end of BJP,stuck up with Leftist agenda.

 

[kaayal]

Can't wait to have malabar paneer,apparently experimenting shouldn't be allowed according to many Malayalees.
Kerala seems to be the other end of BJP,stuck up with Leftist agenda.

It's not about experimenting but how foolish it sounds. We don't use paneer here. Malabar Paneer looks like an another variant of Punjabi Sambar or Kashmiri sadhya. If you want to promote our vegetarian food there are a lot of kerala sadhya recipes here. No need to spread fake food in the name of our place.

 

[JaDed]

It's not about experimenting but how foolish it sounds. We don't use paneer here. Malabar Paneer looks like an another variant of Punjabi Sambar or Kashmiri sadhya. If you want to promote our vegetarian food there are a lot of kerala sadhya recipes here. No need to spread fake food in the name of our place.

So basically there never should be fusion of food? From Paneer Tikka Masala to various other dishes all were experimental, its unfortunate that if someone wants to be vegetarian in Malabar it would be a sin according to people of Kerala.

And Paneer is only an ingredient, why does it matter? Punjabi Sambhar if good whats the issue,no one is saying to eat it,for years there were no spices in Indian cuisine till it was brought down from South America?Are you saying Kerala/Malabar doesn't use spices that were exported(centuries ago) from South America?

 

[kaayal]

So basically there never should be fusion of food? From Paneer Tikka Masala to various other dishes all were experimental, its unfortunate that if someone wants to be vegetarian in Malabar it would be a sin according to people of Kerala.

And Paneer is only an ingredient, why does it matter? Punjabi Sambhar if good whats the issue,no one is saying to eat it,for years there were no spices in Indian cuisine till it was brought down from South America?Are you saying Kerala/Malabar doesn't use spices that were exported(centuries ago) from South America?

Oh come on, are you saying there are no vegetarians in Malabar and they don't get any veg food here??? This is a mix of hindu muslim christian population who have abundant recipes of their own. Use a Karela or any vegetable from here and add coconut milk and say a malabar dish. We are fine with it but paneer is really alien to us. Use something local and then call it malabar even if you want to make a food fusion.

And by criticising him on social media doesn't change anything. He will continue to make it, will get more views and publicity that's all. See no harm, we are indirectly helping him.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Oh come on, are you saying there are no vegetarians in Malabar and they don't get any veg food here??? This is a mix of hindu muslim christian population who have abundant recipes of their own. Use a Karela or any vegetable from here and add coconut milk and say a malabar dish. We are fine with it but paneer is really alien to us. Use something local and then call it malabar even if you want to make a food fusion.

And by criticising him on social media doesn't change anything. He will continue to make it, will get more views and publicity that's all. See no harm, we are indirectly helping him.

Keralites have now resorted to food jihad..they dont mind introduction of middle eastern food in kerala, but one experimental dish with paneer and they are baying for blood.

 

[kaayal]

Keralites have now resorted to food jihad..they dont mind introduction of middle eastern food in kerala, but one experimental dish with paneer and they are baying for blood.

We like middle eastern, thai food etc but we don't name anything malabar for the sake of it. We have our own traditional malabar cuisine for that. And who is baying for blood here?