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RexRex said:
You are again putting words in my mouth, I believe you were the one who first used 'ugly' parts with reference to the Bible. My reply was that was not unique for holy books and you have to justify the same bits in your own book.

Regarding post#497, he did say it was Allah's challenge which is why it piqued my curiosity and I didn't know what he meant by that. Is that something in the Hadiths ? Something in Islamic traditions ? Or did he just make that up ?
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I am not sure where he is getting it from. I don't see any verse cited and it read like a personal opinion to me.

Even if you can find any authentic source that makes such a claim, I would not know how to respond to it, on account of my previous assertion that I am not a master of comparative religion. I know very little about what Hindus or Christians claim and how Islam's claims would be superior to them. I can try and handle anything you find offensive, but if you are getting offended at a claim made by a holy book or religion that it is superior to others and the only truth, well I am sorry ... but nothing I or anybody will be able to do anything about that. You just have to develop a thick skin. All religions make such a claim, one way or another.
 
RexRex said:
You are again putting words in my mouth, I believe you were the one who first used 'ugly' parts with reference to the Bible. My reply was - that was not unique for holy books and you have to justify the same bits in your own book.

Regarding post#497, he did say it was Allah's challenge which is why it piqued my curiosity and I didn't know what he meant by that. Is that something in the Hadiths ? Something in Islamic traditions ? Or did he just make that up ?
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What is particularly your issue, plz elaborate. If it's about ALLAH (SWT) challenge to produce anything like Quran then you have heard it right.
 
Rajdeep said:
Every religion is good...no holy book preaches bad things. Its the way people interpret them according to their convenience.

Discussing on religion is never ending cycle. I would request admins to lock this thread.
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I will fix your first sentence.

Every religion has parts that are good. (y)

If any religion depends on people's interpretations, then the religion and its holy books have failed their purpose.

I agree that discussions on religion can be monotonous. Its not easy to make people see religion for what is its worth. People are born into a religion. More often than not, they are only exposed to the good side of it. Their elders and religious heads only tell the good things about their faith. No religion can claim exception. We just have to dig a bit deeper than the surface level and the unpleasant things come out in open.
 
Champ_Pal said:
I will fix your first sentence.

Every religion has parts that are good. (y)

If any religion depends on people's interpretations, then the religion and its holy books have failed their purpose.

I agree that discussions on religion can be monotonous. It’s not easy to make people see religion for what is its worth. People are born into a religion. More often than not, they are only exposed to the good side of it. Their elders and religious heads only tell the good things about their faith. No religion can claim exception. We just have to dig a bit deeper than the surface level and the unpleasant things come out in open.
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The unpleasant stuff is usually n the politicization of religion. If you keep religion to a personal level and do not use it as an excuse to violate fellow human beings, it will never get unpleasant.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
If it's about ALLAH (SWT) challenge to produce anything like Quran then you have heard it right.
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I mentioned this already .. Act 5, Scene 3 of Shakespeare's 'King Lear' gives me the same tears & emotion that you might get when you read your holy book. I consider the former a better piece of work. There are passages in the Bible too, not to mention the Gita.

My point is .. what is awesome to you is not awesome to others. It's a purely subjective thing.
 
Stewie said:
So what is this really proving? I ...c or otherwise) to bring about such a change.
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I was on my phone and this somehow got messed up. So here is my proper response to this PEW poll.

I think it is very understandable and normal for Muslims to prefer the Islamic laws. I don't think this is any earth shattering revelation. This is regardless of where they live. Now, if any demographic in the world starts using illegal tactics to get their way, that's a problem. I would like to know if this PEW research poll in any way proves that was done?

I think preferring one thing and then trying to force it on others who don't prefer it... are two entirely different things. The former is not objectionable. The latter is.
 
RexRex said:
I mentioned this already .. Act 5, Scene 3 of Shakespeare's 'King Lear' gives me the same tears & emotion that you might get when you read your holy book. I consider the former a better piece of work. There are passages in the Bible too, not to mention the Gita.

My point is .. what is awesome to you is not awesome to others. It's a purely subjective thing.
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Why does it even matter to you what is said in the Quran if you don't care about it much?

I think if you have read it, and you understand it, you may hold a different view. This is like me telling you about Gita. I think the very first thought you would have is "this guy has not read it"

so these are faith/emotion driven views. Once again, we are all barking up the wrong tree.
 
RexRex said:
You are certainly emotional about this, I'll give you that..
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I think its illogical to expect such views to be completely divorced from emotions. They cannot be. You will be hard pressed to find people in this world who believe this stuff and yet hold no emotional investment in it. If you are claiming otherwise, I am sorry, I will not agree with you or believe you if you use yourself as an example.
 
Stewie said:
I think its illogical to expect such views to be completely divorced from emotions. They cannot be.
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Then you should refrain from participating in this thread. I think the OP made it clear he wanted to discuss the morality of religions, so u should expect various religions or religious views to get scrutinised down to the finest detail.
 
RexRex said:
Then you should refrain from participating in this thread. I think the OP made it clear he wanted to discuss the morality of religions, so u should expect various religions or religious views to get scrutinised down to the finest detail.
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Scrutinize it all you want, I dont see how me or anyone feeling emotional about it is going to stop you or you being emotional about something will stop me from scrutinizing it.

That's the beauty of this forum, they will pretty much allow you all these luxuries that most Hindu or Indian discussion boards wont.
 
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“Dad, why does Deuteronomy 20 talk about killing the boys and girls?”

My daughter wants to know. Even as a biblical scholar, I don’t have a good...
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I recently felt heartbreak when my daughter, shortly after receiving her first Bible, stumbled onto Deuteronomy 20, which commands Israelites to kill all that breathes in Canaan (vv. 16–18). I’m a pacifist, and that chapter is probably the last one I would want her to read. It happened to be one of her first.

“Dad, why does it talk about killing the boys and girls?” As if that question wasn’t bad enough on its own, she asked it first thing in the morning, before I had any coffee.

“I don’t know,” I slowly replied.

“But you teach the Bible! You’re supposed to know this stuff!”

At that moment, I wanted to resign from my job as a professor of Old Testament and find another line of work. Despite her young age, she knew enough to know that the killing described in that text was wrong. I’m very familiar with scholarly and pastoral responses to texts like Deuteronomy 20; I’ve even written about some of them. At that moment, each and every explanation seemed worthless and unconvincing. What do you say to a girl in elementary school about a text with which you have such a complicated relationship?
 
@rpant_gabba Dawkins appeared on the Piers Morgan show yesterday. The man comes across as a total hypocritical goose.

 
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For those who didn’t/don’t believe me that the US had a lot of laws derived from religion and in the future there is possibility of more heading in that direction:

amp.cnn.com

Supreme Court flooded with prayers for relief from groups eager to erode the division of church and state | CNN Politics

Religious interest groups are queuing up a series of high-profile appeals at the Supreme Court this fall that could further tear down the wall separating church and state, seeking to take advantage of a friendly 6-3 conservative majority that has rapidly pushed the law in their favor in recent...
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Religious interest groups are queuing up a series of high-profile appeals at the Supreme Court this fall that could further tear down the wall separating church and state, seeking to take advantage of a friendly 6-3 conservative majority that has rapidly pushed the law in their favor in recent years.

Catholic groups are challenging a New York State requirement that health insurance plans covermedically necessary abortions, for instance. A group of Muslim and Eastern Orthodox parents in Maryland want to opt their elementary school children out of reading books about gender and sexuality. And a Tampa synagogue hopes to advertise its annual ice-skating themed Hannukah celebration on public buses.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/09/13/politics/ketanji-brown-jackson-abby-phillip-cnn-interview
After winning a string of major victories from the court in recent years, several of the groups involved are anxious for a further expansion of the First Amendment’s free exercise clause, which guarantees the right to practice religion free of government interference.
 
I have been curious about this.

there has been tales of the "god" testing the humans.

Jewish god demanding abraham kill his son

Hindu gods asking for tender human meat

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Feeding divine guests and eating of children: Wendy Doniger on the horrors of hospitality in myths

Instances from Indian mythology that show how cruelty springs from the fear of the divine.
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What would you do?

Me being an atheist, will treat him as a threat and deal with him appropriately.

What do you think is the correct action?
 
rpant_gabba said:
I have been curious about this.

there has been tales of the "god" testing the humans.

Jewish god demanding abraham kill his son

Hindu gods asking for tender human meat

scroll.in

Feeding divine guests and eating of children: Wendy Doniger on the horrors of hospitality in myths

Instances from Indian mythology that show how cruelty springs from the fear of the divine.
scroll.in scroll.in

What would you do?

Me being an atheist, will treat him as a threat and deal with him appropriately.

What do you think is the correct action?
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From what I understand, these tests are for those of faith. And .. well you are an athiest, so why would a divine entity ask you or test you? You are probably going straight to the fiery pits of hell, no questions asked. :ROFLMAO: :moyo2
 
finalfantasy7 said:

P1 - Hindu vs Muslim on 100s of gods vs 1 God | Hashim | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park​





Part 2 :






@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti @kron @globetrotter @Hitman @jnaveen1980


#FreeMinoritiesOfIndiaFromHindus

#SaveAllIndianMinorities

#FreeIndiaFromHinduExtremism

#SanctionIndiaIndians
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One Unicorn vs 100 Unicorns.

Very tough choice. :ishant
 
Champ_Pal said:
Hijab is a clown. His joker of an assistant Ali Dawah is an even bigger clown. He claims so many things and for proof he shows his holy book.

Cool story bro!!
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did you cry is it becuase your boy got hammered in the debate.


you couldn't comprehend his debate, hence your crying, and couldnt even state anything other bring ali dawah in.

Oxford union is no clown place to hold debates, if hijab said anything daft, he wouldn't be allowed back, oxford unions has no time for fools, hence you dont see many indians debating here, they get thrashed and then thrown out as people find out that they are corrupt.


Its ok champ, blow your nose, control your bottom lip.
 

Why Billionaires Want You To Be "Christian" Now​






He raises good points, shows the current stage of christianity in the west.


@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @RexRex @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti @kron @globetrotter @Hitman @jnaveen1980 @Local.Dada @CrIc_Mystique @Van_Sri


#FreeMinoritiesOfIndiaFromHindus

#SaveAllIndianMinorities

#FreeIndiaFromHinduExtremism

#SanctionIndiaIndians
 
finalfantasy7 said:

Why Billionaires Want You To Be "Christian" Now​






He raises good points, shows the current stage of christianity in the west.


@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @RexRex @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti @kron @globetrotter @Hitman @jnaveen1980 @Local.Dada @CrIc_Mystique @Van_Sri


#FreeMinoritiesOfIndiaFromHindus

#SaveAllIndianMinorities

#FreeIndiaFromHinduExtremism

#SanctionIndiaIndians
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The guy in the video is a christian himself, so i dont want to hear the usual rubbish by the usual indian posters
 
finalfantasy7 said:

Indian Christian Never Expected This from Muslim | Hashim | Speakers Corner​





@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @Devadwal @uppercut @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @RexRex @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti @kron @globetrotter @Hitman @jnaveen1980 @Local.Dada @CrIc_Mystique @Van_Sri @nish_mate @SportsWarrior @kaayal
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Video too long. Tell me the gist and I will respond.

But I can tell you one thing. You guys go to a Christian nation and call their God a servant of your God. That's clear blasphemy.

Imagine a Christian going to an Islamic nation and calling Allah a servant of so and so. That person will not see daylight again. :mv
 
Champ_Pal said:
Video too long. Tell me the gist and I will respond.

But I can tell you one thing. You guys go to a Christian nation and call their God a servant of your God. That's clear blasphemy.

Imagine a Christian going to an Islamic nation and calling Allah a servant of so and so. That person will not see daylight again. :mv
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you've used this so callled argument before - change the tune, also try ot watch video debates longer than 10 secs - as it gves you depth, your questiosns you asked are typical from someone who gets "educated" by watching 10 secs X videos

like i said before, if you use your arugment , jews killed jesus,

you keep derilling the thread, however with your first questions - thrs no proov regarding the trilogy it was added into the bible in the 4th century - google 4th-century ecumenical council doctrine christian trilogy. Also the correct term to use for God even for christians is Alaha - remember jesus was a jew who spoke aramaic - even rabbis admit this - again google rabbi aramaic alaha = you can even go on youtube, only people who use the correct termonology are the muslims, you can easily YT muslim

here:

Heres more proof regarding christians earliest manuscripts are based in 4th century:

Trilogy proof it was added into bible 4th century:


Trinity Debate


yet you live in a so called christian country and what do christians think of hinduism - thats its demonic, if yuor a athiest (even though, ive caught you out before, you saying that your a hindu) what do christians think of a person who says the bible is completely false and its you "athiests" who are trying to remove all the relious laws of christian countries - where ever you go inthe world = cmon cham i thought you were clever than this

have you heard of a christians called nontrinitarians - if not google it.


your 2nd question why dont you ask the christians in albania / turkey/ tunisia / morocco / egypt / middle east / central asia / pakistan / malaysia / indonesia - go ask them - ask them whos funds all thr churches to keep them runnung, cuz it aint them, they cant even fund thr own churches in whole of europe - they steal tax payers money

another question why dont you show us how christians are treated in india, shows us a christian saying anything good about india - oooooooo wait we have the indian treaament of miniorites thread - o yeh ihas soo many christians saying hindus target them.

1 more thing @Hitman - can you show us anythig regarding the above videos - i bet you cant - cuz your not even a christian - your a hindus pretending to be a christian +++ champ a hindu pretending to be a athiest


I keep catching the indians lying
 
finalfantasy7 said:
you've used this so callled argument before - change the tune, also try ot watch video debates longer than 10 secs - as it gves you depth, your questiosns you asked are typical from someone who gets "educated" by watching 10 secs X videos

like i said before, if you use your arugment , jews killed jesus,

you keep derilling the thread, however with your first questions - thrs no proov regarding the trilogy it was added into the bible in the 4th century - google 4th-century ecumenical council doctrine christian trilogy. Also the correct term to use for God even for christians is Alaha - remember jesus was a jew who spoke aramaic - even rabbis admit this - again google rabbi aramaic alaha = you can even go on youtube, only people who use the correct termonology are the muslims, you can easily YT muslim

here:

Heres more proof regarding christians earliest manuscripts are based in 4th century:

Trilogy proof it was added into bible 4th century:


Trinity Debate


yet you live in a so called christian country and what do christians think of hinduism - thats its demonic, if yuor a athiest (even though, ive caught you out before, you saying that your a hindu) what do christians think of a person who says the bible is completely false and its you "athiests" who are trying to remove all the relious laws of christian countries - where ever you go inthe world = cmon cham i thought you were clever than this

have you heard of a christians called nontrinitarians - if not google it.


your 2nd question why dont you ask the christians in albania / turkey/ tunisia / morocco / egypt / middle east / central asia / pakistan / malaysia / indonesia - go ask them - ask them whos funds all thr churches to keep them runnung, cuz it aint them, they cant even fund thr own churches in whole of europe - they steal tax payers money

another question why dont you show us how christians are treated in india, shows us a christian saying anything good about india - oooooooo wait we have the indian treaament of miniorites thread - o yeh ihas soo many christians saying hindus target them.

1 more thing @Hitman - can you show us anythig regarding the above videos - i bet you cant - cuz your not even a christian - your a hindus pretending to be a christian +++ champ a hindu pretending to be a athiest


I keep catching the indians lying
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Long post.

I don’t care what Christians in the west think of Hinduism or Atheism. They are not trying to convert me or my family/friends and they are overwhelmingly welcoming people. Something we need to appreciate and learn.

Again, your post is too long. Tell me how calling Jesus the God of Christians a servant of Islamic God is acceptable for any Christian in the West?
If a Christian goes to an Islamic country and calls Allah and his Prophet servants of Yahweh/Jesus, how would that person be treated?
You have to be thankful and appreciative of western society and their tolerance of Islamic preachers and their vitriol against Jesus. :mv
 
Champ_Pal said:
Long post.

I don’t care what Christians in the west think of Hinduism or Atheism. They are not trying to convert me or my family/friends and they are overwhelmingly welcoming people. Something we need to appreciate and learn.

Again, your post is too long. Tell me how calling Jesus the God of Christians a servant of Islamic God is acceptable for any Christian in the West?
If a Christian goes to an Islamic country and calls Allah and his Prophet servants of Yahweh/Jesus, how would that person be treated?
You have to be thankful and appreciative of western society and their tolerance of Islamic preachers and their vitriol against Jesus. :mv
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so basically your not bright enought to read my post - ive given you the answer, as you dont even understand christianity - and i cnt explain the answer is 1 sentence - like i said your attention spam is ridiculosly short.

christians are welcoming - yet your moaning about the christian countires kicking you indians out = yet again make some sense , wre the catholics / chrisians welcolming to the native american / or even blacks or even hispanics.


why did you ask a question? why dont you show me - o yeh you cant + do you even know why the prophets were sent down? do you even know why muslims says we are the oldest religion - remember ive told you this before - adam was the first sent down - do you even know what wording states what is a muslim - nooooooooooooooo you dont - why are you asking any questions when you dont even know anything about islam or this case christianity - do you know the difference is catholic, greek orthodox, orthodox, christian - each have massive differences - each dont even agree with each other on how many books which create the bible............ ibest to go bed mate, your way out of your depth

why did you post that my reply was too long - but yet you replied to nearly everything i wrote = your a joker, its your bed time
 
finalfantasy7 said:
you've used this so callled argument before - change the tune, also try ot watch video debates longer than 10 secs - as it gves you depth, your questiosns you asked are typical from someone who gets "educated" by watching 10 secs X videos

like i said before, if you use your arugment , jews killed jesus,

you keep derilling the thread, however with your first questions - thrs no proov regarding the trilogy it was added into the bible in the 4th century - google 4th-century ecumenical council doctrine christian trilogy. Also the correct term to use for God even for christians is Alaha - remember jesus was a jew who spoke aramaic - even rabbis admit this - again google rabbi aramaic alaha = you can even go on youtube, only people who use the correct termonology are the muslims, you can easily YT muslim

here:

Heres more proof regarding christians earliest manuscripts are based in 4th century:

Trilogy proof it was added into bible 4th century:


Trinity Debate


yet you live in a so called christian country and what do christians think of hinduism - thats its demonic, if yuor a athiest (even though, ive caught you out before, you saying that your a hindu) what do christians think of a person who says the bible is completely false and its you "athiests" who are trying to remove all the relious laws of christian countries - where ever you go inthe world = cmon cham i thought you were clever than this

have you heard of a christians called nontrinitarians - if not google it.


your 2nd question why dont you ask the christians in albania / turkey/ tunisia / morocco / egypt / middle east / central asia / pakistan / malaysia / indonesia - go ask them - ask them whos funds all thr churches to keep them runnung, cuz it aint them, they cant even fund thr own churches in whole of europe - they steal tax payers money

another question why dont you show us how christians are treated in india, shows us a christian saying anything good about india - oooooooo wait we have the indian treaament of miniorites thread - o yeh ihas soo many christians saying hindus target them.

1 more thing @Hitman - can you show us anythig regarding the above videos - i bet you cant - cuz your not even a christian - your a hindus pretending to be a christian +++ champ a hindu pretending to be a athiest


I keep catching the indians lying
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All of Champu's arguments are childish.

Most cringiest part is when he tries to act as an expert on Islam even though he is a non-Muslim. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
All of Champu's arguments are childish.

Most cringiest part is when he tries to act as an expert on Islam even though he is a non-Muslim. :inti
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its also fuuny that hes a athiest but knows nothing, starts acting like a hindu, when questioned - knows nothing on hinduism

very indian he is :ROFLMAO:
 
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