Khabib Nurmagomadov - Dagestani Eagle

[Pakistanian]

Do you guys think he can beat McGregor? Or is McGregor overrated?

 

[Bilal7]

MashAllah,what a champion. Was at least four times better than his opponent in his latest fight in every single category (except trash talking) and we all know that he wasn't at his best. Now that tells you what a beast The Eagle really is.

I genuinely think he could crush both Tony and Connor on the same night, if he's at his best. Best pound-for-pound UFC fighter currently, especially with 'Bones' Jones not giving himself a chance.

 

[Bilal7]

Khabib basically leaving his chin out in the open for some of the best strikers in the business is like Viv Richards refusing to wear a helmet to some of the fastest bowlers of his time. It's dangerous, unnecessary and not something you should try at home. But man does it send a message to everyone involved.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Honestly that was a very poor showing from Khabib.

No where near as dominating a performance as when he fought a much better fighter in Barboza.

Both Ferg and Mcgregor who may have been scared before, probably wont be scared anymore.

He doesnt look invincible anymore.

I still think he beats Mcgregor. Might lose against Ferguson though as Ferguson has a pretty decent ground game.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Khabib basically leaving his chin out in the open for some of the best strikers in the business is like Viv Richards refusing to wear a helmet to some of the fastest bowlers of his time. It's dangerous, unnecessary and not something you should try at home. But man does it send a message to everyone involved.

Its a major technical flaw. There is no advantage in it what so ever. The only message it sends out is I cant defend your punches.

 

[kingusama92]

It would be one hell of a fight. That's for sure.

 

[shaz619]

Daegestani Dangar runs through another bum who embarrassed him along the way and people are doing a bhangra over it, for someone with over 26+ fights he has not fought even fought one opponent that could remotely be considered a threat. He reminds me a lot of Triple G who was running through fighters in a weak 160 lb division before getting a gift against Jacobs a top 3 fighter at MW and then struggling against Alvarez. He can play the victim but in the past he had many chances to face Ferguson but failed to even manage a weight cut, this is the least you expect from a so called world class operator and people think he is the most feared and ruthless name in the division lmao

Conor had been occupied facing Floyd so it's laughable to suggest he'd not want to face a guy whom he holds several physical and technical advantages (you make a case for Ferguson but Khabib LOL), in fact even in the build to the Floyd fight he had repeatedly stated he wants to face Khabib in Russia. Now I am more convinced then ever this fight will happen after the recent publicity stunt and having Khabib main event UFC 223 against a bum when Joanna Champion / Thug Rose should have ended the event; they are trying to give Khabib as much exposure possible in the build to the Conor / Khabib fight which is sure to happen.

It makes me sick that Khabib main-evented though, we had the greatest female MMA fighter who ever lived in Joanna Champion go at it against Thug Rose in a superfight at straw-weight in fact both can be considered among the best P4P fighters male or female. And they delivered on so many fronts, it disgusts me they did not go on last. It's an insult to put Khabib in any P4P top 10, you have Rose who has just beaten the best P4P fighter not once but twice! and you got people advocating the greatness of Daegestani Dangar who has he even beaten, his fans go on as if he has run through Ferguson, Conor, Alvarez, Diaz, Aldo, Mendes and Holloway and people call Conor over rated who has beaten elite fighters, I tell you what's overly rated, the IQ of Khabib fans. He's a good fighter don't get me wrong but you need to prove it against some of the best in your division not bums.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Daegestani Dangar runs through another bum who embarrassed him along the way and people are doing a bhangra over it, for someone with over 26+ fights he has not fought even fought one opponent that could remotely be considered a threat. He reminds me a lot of Triple G who was running through fighters in a weak 160 lb division before getting a gift against Jacobs a top 3 fighter at MW and then struggling against Alvarez. He can play the victim but in the past he had many chances to face Ferguson but failed to even manage a weight cut, this is the least you expect from a so called world class operator and people think he is the most feared and ruthless name in the division lmao

Conor had been occupied facing Floyd so it's laughable to suggest he'd not want to face a guy whom he holds several physical and technical advantages (you make a case for Ferguson but Khabib LOL), in fact even in the build to the Floyd fight he had repeatedly stated he wants to face Khabib in Russia. Now I am more convinced then ever this fight will happen after the recent publicity stunt and having Khabib main event UFC 223 against a bum when Joanna Champion / Thug Rose should have ended the event; they are trying to give Khabib as much exposure possible in the build to the Conor / Khabib fight which is sure to happen.

It makes me sick that Khabib main-evented though, we had the greatest female MMA fighter who ever lived in Joanna Champion go at it against Thug Rose in a superfight at straw-weight in fact both can be considered among the best P4P fighters male or female. And they delivered on so many fronts, it disgusts me they did not go on last. It's an insult to put Khabib in any P4P top 10, you have Rose who has just beaten the best P4P fighter not once but twice! and you got people advocating the greatness of Daegestani Dangar who has he even beaten, his fans go on as if he has run through Ferguson, Conor, Alvarez, Diaz, Aldo, Mendes and Holloway and people call Conor over rated who has beaten elite fighters, I tell you what's overly rated, the IQ of Khabib fans. He's a good fighter don't get me wrong but you need to prove it against some of the best in your division not bums.

I get what you are saying but if you think RDA who was number three in the division before fighting khabib, or Barboza who was number three in the division before fighting khabib are bums, then that shows your IQ and anything else you say after that is irrelevant.

Both were threats, and at the time people said they will smash khabib. But it was the opposite and they were absolutely ragdolled.

If you actually watched UFC beyond cards with mcgreggor on it, you would know both those guys are very good fighters.

Lets not forget Khabib was set to fight Ferguson, so he isnt ducking anyone.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Also laughable at Triple G struggling against Canelo

Canelo is world class so ofcourse it wasnt a walk in the park.

I dont think it should have been a draw, but you can make arguments as to why either of them could have won.

Also, if Khabib is unprofessional for a failed weight cut, dont also must critisize Canelo who had too much "tainted beef" which cancelled the rematch

Btw this was the fourth time Khabib vs Ferguson got cancelled.

Khabib pulled out twice, ferguson pulled out twice.

 

[shaz619]

I get what you are saying but if you think RDA who was number three in the division before fighting khabib, or Barboza who was number three in the division before fighting khabib are bums, then that shows your IQ and anything else you say after that is irrelevant.

Both were threats, and at the time people said they will smash khabib. But it was the opposite and they were absolutely ragdolled.

If you actually watched UFC beyond cards with mcgreggor on it, you would know both those guys are very good fighters.

Lets not forget Khabib was set to fight Ferguson, so he isnt ducking anyone.

Also laughable at Triple G struggling against Canelo

Canelo is world class so ofcourse it wasnt a walk in the park.

I dont think it should have been a draw, but you can make arguments as to why either of them could have won.

Also, if Khabib is unprofessional for a failed weight cut, dont also must critisize Canelo who had too much "tainted beef" which cancelled the rematch

Btw this was the fourth time Khabib vs Ferguson got cancelled.

Khabib pulled out twice, ferguson pulled out twice.

You should watch UFC beyond Dagestani Dangar mauling bums, for a guy with more then 25 fights he doesn't have a career defining victory. And you are getting desperate holding onto RDA and Barboza, Khabibs fans are not famous for their intelligence. It's not others fault he pulled out of the fights with Ferguson twice but himself and its not others fault he couldn't be a professional

Anyone who is suggesting that GGG did not stuggled against Canelo has brain damage, I think the point about proving yourself against the best went over your head; am of the view a draw was correct, neither man did enough but for all the hype behind GGG he should have KO'd Canelo, likewise Daegastani bum specialist has looked great because he has fought inferior opposition, when you face the elite names then you wont have it so easy so I find it hilarious that anyone would do a bhangra over Khabib when he is yet to be tested

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You should watch UFC beyond Dagestani Dangar mauling bums, for a guy with more then 25 fights he doesn't have a career defining victory. And you are getting desperate holding onto RDA and Barboza, Khabibs fans are not famous for their intelligence. It's not others fault he pulled out of the fights with Ferguson twice but himself and its not others fault he couldn't be a professional

Anyone who is suggesting that GGG did not stuggled against Canelo has brain damage, I think the point about proving yourself against the best went over your head; am of the view a draw was correct, neither man did enough but for all the hype behind GGG he should have KO'd Canelo, likewise Daegastani bum specialist has looked great because he has fought inferior opposition, when you face the elite names then you wont have it so easy so I find it hilarious that anyone would do a bhangra over Khabib when he is yet to be tested

Interesting views, but you are the first person I've seen questioning Khabib's pedigree, let's not forget it's the professional commentators like Joe Rogan who have been describing him as possibly the best pound for pound fighter in UFC. Did you hold those views before yesterday's fight?

As for Conor, don't really want to hear about that bum any more, his boxing money maker belonged in a circus, and his disgraceful actions in New York led to three fighters missing the card due to glass injuries. You want to talk about bums we can start there.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

On the fight itself, it's the first time I've seen Khabib struggle to take someone down, although he was still winning the stand ups which was a surprise since Iaquinta is a good puncher. I always assumed no one could stop Khabib's takedowns, but we saw yesterday that it can be done. Although how much of that was because Khabib wasn't that bothered about going to the ground I don't know. In the final round he did what he usually does, swarm in flailing then doing the takedown on the back of that, but in the middle rounds he was hanging back for some reason. Maybe to show off his boxing?

 

[blackanhyellow]

On the fight itself, it's the first time I've seen Khabib struggle to take someone down, although he was still winning the stand ups which was a surprise since Iaquinta is a good puncher. I always assumed no one could stop Khabib's takedowns, but we saw yesterday that it can be done. Although how much of that was because Khabib wasn't that bothered about going to the ground I don't know. In the final round he did what he usually does, swarm in flailing then doing the takedown on the back of that, but in the middle rounds he was hanging back for some reason. Maybe to show off his boxing?

Khabib seems like the type of person who can take a lot of smack talk and not let it effect him. But if valid critiques are made he will go out of his way to prove himself.

People critiqued his striking ability so he wants to prove people wrong.

He did win the stand ups with Al, threw good jabs. But tbf Al was very low with his face out, almost egging Khabib to thrown the kitchen sink at him so he could counter. Either that, or he was afraid of getting taken down, so stayed low stuck his face out, ate jabs as he saw that as less of a threat than the take down.

Also, previous to this fight Al had something like over 85% success rate in stopping take downs. That is probably among the best in the division. Couple that with punching power, this was stylistically a tough fight for Khabib regardless of Al being ranked number 11.

Connor has been susceptible to take downs (i.e. against Diaz, Mendes) so I think Khabib would still win that one.

But Tony has a skill set more likely to defeat khabib.

Both of those match ups would be great fights.

 

[blackanhyellow]

You should watch UFC beyond Dagestani Dangar mauling bums, for a guy with more then 25 fights he doesn't have a career defining victory. And you are getting desperate holding onto RDA and Barboza, Khabibs fans are not famous for their intelligence. It's not others fault he pulled out of the fights with Ferguson twice but himself and its not others fault he couldn't be a professional

Anyone who is suggesting that GGG did not stuggled against Canelo has brain damage, I think the point about proving yourself against the best went over your head; am of the view a draw was correct, neither man did enough but for all the hype behind GGG he should have KO'd Canelo, likewise Daegastani bum specialist has looked great because he has fought inferior opposition, when you face the elite names then you wont have it so easy so I find it hilarious that anyone would do a bhangra over Khabib when he is yet to be tested

lol like I said ferguson withdrew twice as well. Why bag on khabib so hard about it only?

You are so biased against a particular fighter you can't be objective as a fighting fan.

Also, you seem to think I am some khabib fan boy when I am not. I see Tony beating Khabib. But Khabib beats Mcgreggor.

 

[Bilal7]

On the fight itself, it's the first time I've seen Khabib struggle to take someone down, although he was still winning the stand ups which was a surprise since Iaquinta is a good puncher. I always assumed no one could stop Khabib's takedowns, but we saw yesterday that it can be done. Although how much of that was because Khabib wasn't that bothered about going to the ground I don't know. In the final round he did what he usually does, swarm in flailing then doing the takedown on the back of that, but in the middle rounds he was hanging back for some reason. Maybe to show off his boxing?

Yes, exactly. He knew he was bossing the fight and it was basically a done deal that he's the new champ after round two. However, with Al putting everything towards his defense and offering no offensive pressure, Khabib knew he could get away with treating him as a sparring partner. It's good because he gets the experience of fighting five rounds under his belt.

Daegestani Dangar runs through another bum who embarrassed him along the way and people are doing a bhangra over it, for someone with over 26+ fights he has not fought even fought one opponent that could remotely be considered a threat. He reminds me a lot of Triple G who was running through fighters in a weak 160 lb division before getting a gift against Jacobs a top 3 fighter at MW and then struggling against Alvarez. He can play the victim but in the past he had many chances to face Ferguson but failed to even manage a weight cut, this is the least you expect from a so called world class operator and people think he is the most feared and ruthless name in the division lmao

Conor had been occupied facing Floyd so it's laughable to suggest he'd not want to face a guy whom he holds several physical and technical advantages (you make a case for Ferguson but Khabib LOL), in fact even in the build to the Floyd fight he had repeatedly stated he wants to face Khabib in Russia. Now I am more convinced then ever this fight will happen after the recent publicity stunt and having Khabib main event UFC 223 against a bum when Joanna Champion / Thug Rose should have ended the event; they are trying to give Khabib as much exposure possible in the build to the Conor / Khabib fight which is sure to happen.

It makes me sick that Khabib main-evented though, we had the greatest female MMA fighter who ever lived in Joanna Champion go at it against Thug Rose in a superfight at straw-weight in fact both can be considered among the best P4P fighters male or female. And they delivered on so many fronts, it disgusts me they did not go on last. It's an insult to put Khabib in any P4P top 10, you have Rose who has just beaten the best P4P fighter not once but twice! and you got people advocating the greatness of Daegestani Dangar who has he even beaten, his fans go on as if he has run through Ferguson, Conor, Alvarez, Diaz, Aldo, Mendes and Holloway and people call Conor over rated who has beaten elite fighters, I tell you what's overly rated, the IQ of Khabib fans. He's a good fighter don't get me wrong but you need to prove it against some of the best in your division not bums.

This is a poor post. Khabib has absolutely mauled everyone they have put up against him. Fighting Khabib is bad for business as far as someone like Conor is considered because he knows that he can't win against this freak of a grappler and Khabib is not a mainstream name in the fighting business either. No wonder Conor has been dodging Khabib for ages.

Barboza is an elite fighter, the only one questioning their IQ should be people who think he's a bum, lol.

 

[Bilal7]

Conor fans can cry and Tony fans can whine but like it or not, it's Khabib time.

 

[Pakistanian]

Khabib is a proud Muslim. I'm rooting for a brother. Khabibi is gonna destroy Conor .

 

[humzy]

Interesting views, but you are the first person I've seen questioning Khabib's pedigree, let's not forget it's the professional commentators like Joe Rogan who have been describing him as possibly the best pound for pound fighter in UFC. Did you hold those views before yesterday's fight?

As for Conor, don't really want to hear about that bum any more, his boxing money maker belonged in a circus, and his disgraceful actions in New York led to three fighters missing the card due to glass injuries. You want to talk about bums we can start there.

Rogan does not consider him the best P4P, thats reserved for Mighty Mouse or Jon Bones Jones.

 

[humzy]

Yes, exactly. He knew he was bossing the fight and it was basically a done deal that he's the new champ after round two. However, with Al putting everything towards his defense and offering no offensive pressure, Khabib knew he could get away with treating him as a sparring partner. It's good because he gets the experience of fighting five rounds under his belt.



This is a poor post. Khabib has absolutely mauled everyone they have put up against him. Fighting Khabib is bad for business as far as someone like Conor is considered because he knows that he can't win against this freak of a grappler and Khabib is not a mainstream name in the fighting business either. No wonder Conor has been dodging Khabib for ages.

Barboza is an elite fighter, the only one questioning their IQ should be people who think he's a bum, lol.

I think Khabib is a great great fighter in terms of grappling but his stand up skills are lacking. And this fight showed that which is why it got so many mixed reviews.

The point people are trying to make is that if you put him up against a smart elite striker like Mcgregor or Ferguson then they will cause him issues in STRIKING.

If you add the fact that Fergusson can submit you from bottom position then it makes more an even more interesting match up with the bets leaning towards Tony.

In terms of McGregor, Khabib will not stand up against him unless he is crazy, he will go straight for the take downs. If McGregor does not get taken down in the first two rounds then I believe Khabib will be knocked out due to his lack of stand up defence. If he does get taken down and mauled then cardio will come into play and severely limit Mcgregors ability to find those openings while striking in later rounds.

The thing to note is that Khabib will usually take guys down in the first round or 2, maul them to the point where they are exhausted (remember, wrestling is way more taxing on your cardio then standup).
Once they are exhausted then he will stand up and fight with them (Barbosa for example). If a fighter is exhausted then he will struggle to execute even if he is an elite striker. Thats Khabibs usual game plan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Rogan does not consider him the best P4P, thats reserved for Mighty Mouse or Jon Bones Jones.

I said possibly the best P4P fighter, Rogan might not consider him THE best, but he's definitely described him as among the best. With a record of 24-0 it's hard to argue to be honest, although I agree that Ferguson might just have too much of an all round game. I think he'd beat McGregor though. The lightweight division has some outstanding fighters.

 

[shaz619]

Interesting views, but you are the first person I've seen questioning Khabib's pedigree, let's not forget it's the professional commentators like Joe Rogan who have been describing him as possibly the best pound for pound fighter in UFC. Did you hold those views before yesterday's fight?

As for Conor, don't really want to hear about that bum any more, his boxing money maker belonged in a circus, and his disgraceful actions in New York led to three fighters missing the card due to glass injuries. You want to talk about bums we can start there.

Am not questioning his potential but am not going to jump on the hype train so easily, I was saying the same prior to his recent fights. For someone with over 25+ fights he doesn't have a career defining win and was just practically handed a world championship, would you not agree that ones pedigree needs to be proven against the absolute best. It's funny that Conor is being called a bum when he has one of the greatest resumes in MMA history, he is an absolute clown but I would appreciate objectivity beyond that.

lol like I said ferguson withdrew twice as well. Why bag on khabib so hard about it only?

You are so biased against a particular fighter you can't be objective as a fighting fan.

Also, you seem to think I am some khabib fan boy when I am not. I see Tony beating Khabib. But Khabib beats Mcgreggor.

Ferguson should be responsible to but we are talking about Khabib here why does he get a pass for his mistakes ?

Just because he is your favourite it does not mean he can't be criticised, your fandom is preventing you from being objective to be honest.

Khabib has a better chance against Tony then Conor. Styles make fights, Conor holds every physical advantage over Khabib so it wont be easy for him to take Conor down who also has a great defence. Khabib also leaves himself too open; against a striker of Conor's calibre that's very dangerous.

Yes, exactly. He knew he was bossing the fight and it was basically a done deal that he's the new champ after round two. However, with Al putting everything towards his defense and offering no offensive pressure, Khabib knew he could get away with treating him as a sparring partner. It's good because he gets the experience of fighting five rounds under his belt.



This is a poor post. Khabib has absolutely mauled everyone they have put up against him. Fighting Khabib is bad for business as far as someone like Conor is considered because he knows that he can't win against this freak of a grappler and Khabib is not a mainstream name in the fighting business either. No wonder Conor has been dodging Khabib for ages.

Barboza is an elite fighter, the only one questioning their IQ should be people who think he's a bum, lol.

I don't always get it right but generally I think most will respect my views on combat sport on PP. But in this instance should I really be questioning my IQ when people are calling Barboza an elite fighter, a guy who has never been a world champion and lost every time he stepped up. Furthermore, he went the distance with Khabib when Ferguson put him away in 2 rounds, Khabib's best win is RDA which wasn't even a world championship fight but for a guy with more then 25+ fights you'd think he has more to show to warrant a position in the P4P ranking.

He fought Floyd so it's a joke to say he had been dodging him when he has taken on so many challenges during his career, Khabib just main-evented and with the main stream coverage of the feud between Conor / Khabib the fight is sure to happen in the future more then ever; it's business, you need to build these fights up and the UFC has been struggling beyond 2016 so why not milk every dollar out of this

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Am not questioning his potential but am not going to jump on the hype train so easily, I was saying the same prior to his recent fights. For someone with over 25+ fights he doesn't have a career defining win and was just practically handed a world championship, would you not agree that ones pedigree needs to be proven against the absolute best. It's funny that Conor is being called a bum when he has one of the greatest resumes in MMA history, he is an absolute clown but I would appreciate objectivity beyond that.

Conor is a bum because he acted like one. His resume was great when he was an active UFC fighter, but that was two years ago, since then he's been everywhere except the Octagon. When he signs to fight Ferguson or Khabib we can start talking about him as a serious fighter again, right now he's nothing but an embarrassment to the sport with his drunken antics out of the octagon.

 

[shaz619]

Conor is a bum because he acted like one. His resume was great when he was an active UFC fighter, but that was two years ago, since then he's been everywhere except the Octagon. When he signs to fight Ferguson or Khabib we can start talking about him as a serious fighter again, right now he's nothing but an embarrassment to the sport with his drunken antics out of the octagon.

We're talking about the fighter here not everything beyond that which I agree with but he can hardly be criticised for chasing that big pay day from Floyd the UFC don't pay no where near as well, he has made sums which he'd not have accumulated over an entire UFC career twice over and sits in a very compatible position, others in the division can take the moral high ground but they'd give an arm and leg to make the same money in boxing, in fact many have been pushing for similar paths.

I see why people would have an issue with him because he should just retire instead of being inactive. But when you hold all the cards and are the A side you can afford to do what you like and fight when you want to. All the recent controversies are just hype for the inevitable fight with Khabib, like I said before you need to build fights and the UFC especially are desperate to milk very dollar so I don't buy Dana's PC stance.

 

[Adijazz1706]

You bigging up Conor is the joke here, guy hasn't fought for 2 years and would be taken down by either Tony or Khabib unless Conor gets a KO 1st round. Conor has weak cardio, a weak ground game and is prone to submission so bigging him up when his last fight was against an ageing Aldo who was TKO'd twice in 2 fights by Holloway doesn't make much sense. Tony would definitely submit Conor imo, tough call bw Tony and Khabib though

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We're talking about the fighter here not everything beyond that which I agree with but he can hardly be criticised for chasing that big pay day from Floyd the UFC don't pay no where near as well, he has made sums which he'd not have accumulated over an entire UFC career twice over and sits in a very compatible position, others in the division can take the moral high ground but they'd give an arm and leg to make the same money in boxing, in fact many have been pushing for similar paths.

I see why people would have an issue with him because he should just retire instead of being inactive. But when you hold all the cards and are the A side you can afford to do what you like and fight when you want to. All the recent controversies are just hype for the inevitable fight with Khabib, like I said before you need to build fights and the UFC especially are desperate to milk very dollar so I don't buy Dana's PC stance.

I don't have any problem with Conor making money, that isn't the issue, I'm judging him purely as a UFC fighter, and he hasn't had a serious fight in two years. Throwing trolleys at buses doesn't count, and until he gets back in the octagon, he can't live on past reputation. Not in a sport where there are some outstanding fighters who are more than deserving to wear the belt. Khabib and Ferguson are the guys at the top right now, it's up to Conor to show he's still a fighter and not an actor.

 

[Bilal7]

I think Khabib is a great great fighter in terms of grappling but his stand up skills are lacking. And this fight showed that which is why it got so many mixed reviews.

The point people are trying to make is that if you put him up against a smart elite striker like Mcgregor or Ferguson then they will cause him issues in STRIKING.

If you add the fact that Fergusson can submit you from bottom position then it makes more an even more interesting match up with the bets leaning towards Tony.

In terms of McGregor, Khabib will not stand up against him unless he is crazy, he will go straight for the take downs. If McGregor does not get taken down in the first two rounds then I believe Khabib will be knocked out due to his lack of stand up defence. If he does get taken down and mauled then cardio will come into play and severely limit Mcgregors ability to find those openings while striking in later rounds.

The thing to note is that Khabib will usually take guys down in the first round or 2, maul them to the point where they are exhausted (remember, wrestling is way more taxing on your cardio then standup).
Once they are exhausted then he will stand up and fight with them (Barbosa for example). If a fighter is exhausted then he will struggle to execute even if he is an elite striker. Thats Khabibs usual game plan.

No one is denying that Tony will be Khabib's biggest challenge (and vice versa). However, while Tony has the edge standing up, Khabib is peerless on the ground so it's going to be close.

Not sold in McGregor. He's fought one LW in his entire career and everyone can see that he's been dodging Khabib for months. Unless Khabib suddenly turns into an idiot and walks into a Conor jab in the first couple of rounds, I don't see how Khabib loses this.

Am not questioning his potential but am not going to jump on the hype train so easily, I was saying the same prior to his recent fights. For someone with over 25+ fights he doesn't have a career defining win and was just practically handed a world championship, would you not agree that ones pedigree needs to be proven against the absolute best. It's funny that Conor is being called a bum when he has one of the greatest resumes in MMA history, he is an absolute clown but I would appreciate objectivity beyond that.



Ferguson should be responsible to but we are talking about Khabib here why does he get a pass for his mistakes ?

Just because he is your favourite it does not mean he can't be criticised, your fandom is preventing you from being objective to be honest.

Khabib has a better chance against Tony then Conor. Styles make fights, Conor holds every physical advantage over Khabib so it wont be easy for him to take Conor down who also has a great defence. Khabib also leaves himself too open; against a striker of Conor's calibre that's very dangerous.




I don't always get it right but generally I think most will respect my views on combat sport on PP. But in this instance should I really be questioning my IQ when people are calling Barboza an elite fighter, a guy who has never been a world champion and lost every time he stepped up. Furthermore, he went the distance with Khabib when Ferguson put him away in 2 rounds, Khabib's best win is RDA which wasn't even a world championship fight but for a guy with more then 25+ fights you'd think he has more to show to warrant a position in the P4P ranking.

He fought Floyd so it's a joke to say he had been dodging him when he has taken on so many challenges during his career, Khabib just main-evented and with the main stream coverage of the feud between Conor / Khabib the fight is sure to happen in the future more then ever; it's business, you need to build these fights up and the UFC has been struggling beyond 2016 so why not milk every dollar out of this

Bro, Khabib has fought more LWs in the past few months than Conor has in his entire career. Khabib is also far, far better than Conor on the floor, has the better tank, stronger chin (debatable) and has the aura of invincibility that comes with a 26-0 record and a ridiculous number of consecutive won rounds.

What advantages does Conor have other than at striking? What happens if Khabib merely stops hanging his chin out like that and sticks to his grappling game? Conor is toast. Khabib is the worst case scenario for Conor and almost everyone agrees. Tony will be a much closer fight for either of them.

Khabib's 26-0 is iconic on its own. His 30+ round wins are iconic on its own. Not his fault that his elite opponents either keep getting injured or are too afraid to fight him in the Octagon.

 

[MenInG]

Dont get personal with each other on this thread.

 

[shaz619]

You bigging up Conor is the joke here, guy hasn't fought for 2 years and would be taken down by either Tony or Khabib unless Conor gets a KO 1st round. Conor has weak cardio, a weak ground game and is prone to submission so bigging him up when his last fight was against an ageing Aldo who was TKO'd twice in 2 fights by Holloway doesn't make much sense. Tony would definitely submit Conor imo, tough call bw Tony and Khabib though

Am not bigging him up and don't need to, we're discussing Khabib here. Aldo was coming off a nearly 20 fight win streak, it was a world championship fight and then he got destroyed in 10 seconds; in fact if you check the odds for that fight you'd see that it was a pick em so it is laughable to derail that win based on his 2 defeats a couple of years later lmao not even his biggest critics would take it that far so am sorry but can't take anything else you say serious

 

[shaz619]

No one is denying that Tony will be Khabib's biggest challenge (and vice versa). However, while Tony has the edge standing up, Khabib is peerless on the ground so it's going to be close.

Not sold in McGregor. He's fought one LW in his entire career and everyone can see that he's been dodging Khabib for months. Unless Khabib suddenly turns into an idiot and walks into a Conor jab in the first couple of rounds, I don't see how Khabib loses this.



Bro, Khabib has fought more LWs in the past few months than Conor has in his entire career. Khabib is also far, far better than Conor on the floor, has the better tank, stronger chin (debatable) and has the aura of invincibility that comes with a 26-0 record and a ridiculous number of consecutive won rounds.

What advantages does Conor have other than at striking? What happens if Khabib merely stops hanging his chin out like that and sticks to his grappling game? Conor is toast. Khabib is the worst case scenario for Conor and almost everyone agrees. Tony will be a much closer fight for either of them.

Khabib's 26-0 is iconic on its own. His 30+ round wins are iconic on its own. Not his fault that his elite opponents either keep getting injured or are too afraid to fight him in the Octagon.

That I agree with he is better on the floor that is not even debatable, but Khabib has a reach of 177.8 compared to Conor's of 188 cm ; how will he negate that? in addition, Conor's a terrific counter puncher and his control of range is excellent; how will Khabib cut him off? the reason why am sceptical is biggest the likes of Alvarez, Aldo and Mendes were supposed to make light work of him given their ground game, we're talking a black / brown belt in jiu jitsu and former NCAA champion here. No doubt, it goes to the ground Khabib wins but time and time again we've seen that Conor's take down defence has been excellent and he just catches you with his superior striking IQ. He has not fought someone with a Sambo background so that gives Khabib an edge but on fight night Conor would start as the favourite.

But that's just the fight my main issue had been with his resume and it's just my opinion that its not impresseive despite the 25 wins or so which is great but only one was world class like truly world class, yes he has not had the best of fortunes but has made mistakes to

 

[shaz619]

Another thing I'd give Khabib the edge although not by a lot if they fought next given how Conor has been inactive for 2 years, in the UFC they rarely have tune ups but it would be the smart thing to do

 

[KingKhanWC]

I dont know much about him but I hope he beats the living daylights out of McGregor if they ever fight.

 

[Pakistanian]

McGregors a tool.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Am not bigging him up and don't need to, we're discussing Khabib here. Aldo was coming off a nearly 20 fight win streak, it was a world championship fight and then he got destroyed in 10 seconds; in fact if you check the odds for that fight you'd see that it was a pick em so it is laughable to derail that win based on his 2 defeats a couple of years later lmao not even his biggest critics would take it that far so am sorry but can't take anything else you say serious

Tony vs Khabib would be huge fun, btw what do u think about Tony vs McG? Tony to win by submission, right?

 

[humzy]

No one is denying that Tony will be Khabib's biggest challenge (and vice versa). However, while Tony has the edge standing up, Khabib is peerless on the ground so it's going to be close.

Not sold in McGregor. He's fought one LW in his entire career and everyone can see that he's been dodging Khabib for months. Unless Khabib suddenly turns into an idiot and walks into a Conor jab in the first couple of rounds, I don't see how Khabib loses this.

Khabib isn't peerless on the ground he is peerless as a grappler who focuses on ground and pound. Fergusson as i stated early can submit from the top or bottom, he is a much better jiu jitsu practitioner .

How can you not be sold on Conor? The guy may be under active but the roster he has defeated is far more impressive then any of Khabibs 26-0

 

[humzy]

Personally i am excited about the LW Division in general, 3 of the greatest LW in history IMO are ready to go to war with each other if everything goes according to plan. I think it should go Conor vs Khabib next, then winner vs Tony.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Personally i am excited about the LW Division in general, 3 of the greatest LW in history IMO are ready to go to war with each other if everything goes according to plan. I think it should go Conor vs Khabib next, then winner vs Tony.

Me too, the LW division is probably the most exciting in MMA at the moment, the only blot has been McGregor taking a two year break to pursue Mayweather in that circus act. As I have said, I don't begrudge him the money, but from a UFC POV, it has taken some gloss off what he was best at. Ferguson is clearly the best all round fighter, but the other two are something else in their own speciality, grappling for Khabib, striking for Conor.

 

[shaz619]

Tony vs Khabib would be huge fun, btw what do u think about Tony vs McG? Tony to win by submission, right?

I wouldn't argue with anyone that put their money on Tony, it's a 50/50 fight but am leaning towards Tony; he has the better chance then Khabib; much bigger, I think he has the reach advantage over Conor as well and his stand up game is not too bad either; he often trains with Roach at the Wild-Card to. More rounded in all facets and very daunting physically. Styles make fights, Tony would be Conor's toughest test in his career.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Khabib Nurmagomedov leading the post-fight prayers <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFC242?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UFC242</a> <a href="https://t.co/pYrJH4CXZ6">pic.twitter.com/pYrJH4CXZ6</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1170746666007310336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[shaz619]

I don't think it is fair that the druggie is ranked above Khabib in UFC's own P4P ranking

 

[kingusama92]

I don't think it is fair that the druggie is ranked above Khabib in UFC's own P4P ranking

Jon Jones is incredible from a technical/talent/fight IQ perspective. He's a much more well-rounded fighter than Khabib. I don't think Jones would ever fall prey to some of the things McGregor or Poirier did.

Drugs and whatever else he's gotten himself into tarnish things but the guy can fight.

 

[Bilal_103]

Jon Jones is incredible from a technical/talent/fight IQ perspective. He's a much more well-rounded fighter than Khabib. I don't think Jones would ever fall prey to some of the things McGregor or Poirier did.

Drugs and whatever else he's gotten himself into tarnish things but the guy can fight.

Yah adding on to your point. Jones has dismantled everyone in LHW division if he didnt have any of the drama outside the octagon he wouldn't have anyone doubting him as the goat p4p.

 

[Bilal_103]

Khabib needs to fight Tony Ferguson and then he would be considered the goat lightweight.

 

[big_gamer007]

Khabib needs to fight Tony Ferguson and then he would be considered the goat lightweight.

He's already GOAT lightweight. Who is near him?

 

[Bilal_103]

He's already GOAT lightweight. Who is near him?

He needs to fight Tony. They have tried 4 times but it still hasn't happened. Ferguson is on a 12 fight win streak so hes clearly one of the best light weights in the world and imo if khabib wants to silence all the doubters he has to beat Ferguson.

 

[big_gamer007]

He needs to fight Tony. They have tried 4 times but it still hasn't happened. Ferguson is on a 12 fight win streak so hes clearly one of the best light weights in the world and imo if khabib wants to silence all the doubters he has to beat Ferguson.

Khabib is 28-0. He needs to fight Tony yes I agree, but for some reason if fight doesn't happen and both their careers end today then Khabib will still be the GOAT.

There will always be doubters who kept doubting any person for X,y,z reasons. Even if Khabib beats Tony someone might come up with another criteria he needs to check to be considered GOAT.

If Tony wins then all the above goes up for toss.

 

[shaz619]

Khabib is 28-0. He needs to fight Tony yes I agree, but for some reason if fight doesn't happen and both their careers end today then Khabib will still be the GOAT.

There will always be doubters who kept doubting any person for X,y,z reasons. Even if Khabib beats Tony someone might come up with another criteria he needs to check to be considered GOAT.

If Tony wins then all the above goes up for toss.

At the end of the day what does 28-0 even mean? He coulda fought 28 bums, in superior forms of combat your legacy is determined based on your record in title fights for the world championship. Look at GSP and Silva what they accomplished, Khabib isn't close to either of those yet so the best ever talk is only from blokes who have a fetish for him

 

[shaz619]

Multi weight champions and record breaking streaks in world championship fights / title defences etc are all ignored in favour of an abstract streak taken literally, only the LGBT community and religous nationalists have this opinion. Not really fight fans.

 

[Khan12]

Multi weight champions and record breaking streaks in world championship fights / title defences etc are all ignored in favour of an abstract streak taken literally, only the LGBT community and religous nationalists have this opinion. Not really fight fans.

Enlighten us about the fight fans Mr expert what do they take into consideration.

 

[big_gamer007]

At the end of the day what does 28-0 even mean? He coulda fought 28 bums, in superior forms of combat your legacy is determined based on your record in title fights for the world championship. Look at GSP and Silva what they accomplished, Khabib isn't close to either of those yet so the best ever talk is only from blokes who have a fetish for him

GSP and Silva are in different weight class. We are not talking about their weight class.

Khabibs competition for being GOAT in his class is with Conor, Tony and maybe Aldo(though the way aldo was schooled by Conor, he won't get much votes).

Out of the above I think Khabib is the best. If Tony Vs Khabib happen and Tony wins then it will be a different story, if it doesn't happen then Khabib compared to his peers will be the best.

 

[shaz619]

GSP and Silva are in different weight class. We are not talking about their weight class.

Khabibs competition for being GOAT in his class is with Conor, Tony and maybe Aldo(though the way aldo was schooled by Conor, he won't get much votes).

Out of the above I think Khabib is the best. If Tony Vs Khabib happen and Tony wins then it will be a different story, if it doesn't happen then Khabib compared to his peers will be the best.

You specifically pointed out how Khabib is the GOAT, am not sure how good you are at English but that doesn't imply to me the lightweight division. People are so condescending and ignorant, throw around GOAT casually; do you know what GOAT stands for ? we're not on about the farm animal but Greatest of all Time, this is synonymous with the best ever irrespective of weight division, you do realise there is something called a P4P list; we have one for the all time greatest as well so when you bring up GOAT then GSP and Silva are names which come to mind straight away.

You do realise that in this donkey sport there were open weight classes, that should in itself emphasise how multi weight champions are valued; beyond that in an individual division the bar you use is record at the world championship level

Roberto Duran was the best lightweight ever, who even says that ? he is among the all time greats P4P PERIOD.

 

[shaz619]

Jon Jones is incredible from a technical/talent/fight IQ perspective. He's a much more well-rounded fighter than Khabib. I don't think Jones would ever fall prey to some of the things McGregor or Poirier did.

Drugs and whatever else he's gotten himself into tarnish things but the guy can fight.

That don't mean anything anymore, one thing you got give credit to the UFC for is VADA testing; Olympic style. How can any decent human being even entertain the notion of "he can fight" that is completely irrelevant on every scale, that druggie is so bad he use to hide under neath the Octagon in training for hours and hours when they would come for random test samples. His legacy is tainted completely and he can thank Mr.White who is desperate for ticket sellers which have saved his career, otherwise he would be banned for life

 

[shaz619]

Records in title fights in an individual division:

GSP - 12-2-0
Silva - 11-2-0

Khabib currently - 3-0-0 , the bar is low at lightweight so he stands a great chance at making a case for his status as the best lightweight

 

[Bilal_103]

Records in title fights in an individual division:

GSP - 12-2-0
Silva - 11-2-0

Khabib currently - 3-0-0 , the bar is low at lightweight so he stands a great chance at making a case for his status as the best lightweight

I think khabib will go down as the best light weight. I mean how do you beat him? there is no one in LW that can wrestle with him and his stand up game is decent. I think someone with a strong sambo or wrestling background would have a chance at beating him but there's no one in lightweight at the moment.

 

[shaz619]

I think khabib will go down as the best light weight. I mean how do you beat him? there is no one in LW that can wrestle with him and his stand up game is decent. I think someone with a strong sambo or wrestling background would have a chance at beating him but there's no one in lightweight at the moment.

An interesting opponent for him would have been B.J Penn in his prime, there's not a lot out there which is why Ferguson and Conor are going to be his best competitors at this stage. He should move to WW at some point