KL Summit 2019: A new Islamic block? A challenge to Saudi leadership?

[Mian]

The Emir of Qatar Sheikh Tamim Hamad Al Thani

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan

Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani

All the above mentioned head of state will be there but no invitation to Saudia or UAE?

Saudia and UAE showed their reservations about this Summit when PM IK visited Saudia and COAS visited UAE 2 days ago.

 

[Mian]

A very awkward situation for Pakistan let's see how we handle it because looking at the list it looks like Pakistan is the only country with very story Saudi relations (Iran, Turkey, Malaysia and Qatar all have their own differences with Saudis)

I heard Indonesia was also invited but they politely refused.

 

[Syed1]

Hum ne theka liya howa hai dunya ka chacha bunnay ka.... bhai pehlay apna mulk theek karo phir dosron mein sula karwao.

Economy is making massive strides towards improvement, more needs to be done on that front rather than being a mediator between people who have been at knife's edge for decades.

 

[IAJ]

Pakistan need to stay friend with every muslim country and also try to mediate between countries who don’t get along well like Iran and SaudiA.

 

[the Great Khan]

I heard from sabir shakir that teh saudias have given pakistan their blessing. We can play the interlocutor between the countries if required but already moves are afoot to solve the qatar saudi impasse. They have already participated in military contacts. As for iran well we have offered to keep things going between the saudis and Iran so I think something will happen there. Inmho I would rather the saudis not be involved in this as they will be sued by the west to sabotage it.

 

[WebGuru]

Interesting times ahead all these countries combined can't help Pakistan as much as Saudis but we also need these countries on our side...

 

[WebGuru]

I heard from sabir shakir that teh saudias have given pakistan their blessing. We can play the interlocutor between the countries if required but already moves are afoot to solve the qatar saudi impasse. They have already participated in military contacts. As for iran well we have offered to keep things going between the saudis and Iran so I think something will happen there. Inmho I would rather the saudis not be involved in this as they will be sued by the west to sabotage it.

MBS himself was driving the car for IK yesterday so I guess he got some guarantees...

 

[the Great Khan]

MBS himself was driving the car for IK yesterday so I guess he got some guarantees...

MBS knows that Pakistan is a sure fire locked in ally no matter what so probably isnt so fussed about this new alliance. The Saudi position will be articulated via Pakistan. And at some point they will join up which will send shockwaves through the west.

 

[WebGuru]

MBS knows that Pakistan is a sure fire locked in ally no matter what so probably isnt so fussed about this new alliance. The Saudi position will be articulated via Pakistan. And at some point they will join up which will send shockwaves through the west.

Mahatir is also talking about one currency for this alliance so this will surely send shockwaves.

 

[the Great Khan]

Mahatir is also talking about one currency for this alliance so this will surely send shockwaves.

they will not allow that and if I were Mahatir I would keep that one under wraps for now..although they did allow the euro so that could be something the powers that be in the financial world would allow..

 

[WebGuru]

they will not allow that and if I were Mahatir I would keep that one under wraps for now..although they did allow the euro so that could be something the powers that be in the financial world would allow..

Some channels are now reporting SMQ will represent Pakistan in KL Summit and IK is not going there. I guess the pressure tactics of Saudis worked.

 

[sjahmed23]

Pakistan was once a muslim leader, it had tremendous influence over other muslim countries (it created OIC) and it still does as the sole nuclear power. If Pakistan stays peaceful for 10 years it will get back to that and other countries realize that importance.

 

[Syed1]

Mahatir is also talking about one currency for this alliance so this will surely send shockwaves.

That won't be a good thing for us since we are a weaker economy than Turkey and Malaysia.

 

[WebGuru]

If the news about SMQ representing Pakistan in KL Summit instead of IK is true and there is Saudi hand in it thn its not a good decision at all. Lets see if Saudis agreed to something big in the meeting with IK we are in a very awkward situation. Turkey and Malaysia kept us out of the FATF and stood with us on Kashmir issue.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is reconsidering its decision to participate in the upcoming Kuala Lumpur Summit after Saudi Arabia expressed its reservations.

Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Information and Broadcasting Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan told reporters on Monday that a decision on Prime Minister Imran Khan’s participation in the event would be taken after his return from the ongoing overseas trip to Bahrain and Switzerland on Wednesday (Dec 18).

The summit, which is being participated by over 400 Muslim leaders, intellectuals, scholars and thinkers from 52 countries, will begin on Dec 18 in Kuala Lumpur, while the foreign leaders will meet on Dec 19 to explore new and workable solutions for problems afflicting the Muslim world.

“The priorities, the national priorities are linked to national narrative and national interest,” Dr Awan explained, adding that PM Khan would hold consultations with all stakeholders before taking a decision on this matter. The decision would be taken in the light of his other engagements as well, she said, adding that discussions on the issue were, as of now, continuing within the government.

A diplomatic source separately confirmed the rethinking in the government on PM Khan’s participation in the KL Summit.

It should be recalled that PM Khan had on Nov 29 confirmed his participation in the summit when Malaysian Prime Minister’s Special Envoy and Deputy Foreign Minister Marzuki Bin Haji Yahya met him to deliver a formal invitation for the event. It is furthermore believed that Mr Khan had contributed to the idea of the summit during his trilateral meeting with Malaysian Prime Minister Mahatir bin Mohamad and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in New York in September on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session. Mahatir and Erdogan are the driving force behind the new forum.

The reconsideration, the diplomatic source said, had been prompted by Saudi reservations. Mr Khan had last Saturday travelled to Riyadh to assuage kingdom’s concerns and reportedly reassured Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman that his participation in the event would not be at the cost of Saudi interests.

Pakistan is a close Saudi ally and is indebted to the kingdom for the financial assistance and oil facility that it has provided to Islamabad on multiple occasions during troubled times. Riyadh had soon after the installation of the PTI government after the 2018 general elections provided $6 billion lifeline to tide over the economic crisis. Moreover, about 2.7 million Pakistanis are working in the kingdom and are, therefore, a major source of foreign remittances.

The disquiet in Saudi Arabia and its allied Arab countries over the upcoming KL Summit is because of the perceptions that the summit could transform into an alternative for the Saudi-led ‘dysfunctional’ Organisation of Islamic Cooperation.

A change in decision on participation will, however, not be an easy one for Mr Khan because Malaysia and Turkey had been some of the most vocal supporters on Pakistani stance on Kashmir, especially after annexation of the occupied territory by India. Moreover, Turkey has been a major supporter of Pakistan’s candidature, along with China, at the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1522644/rethink-in-islamabad-over-moot-in-malaysia-to-pacify-saudis

 

[Pakpak]

I hope we go and don't fold to Saudi pressure.

 

[Mamoon]

It is a completely irrelevant summit anyway.

Qatar has been bullied by the big players in the ME already, Erdogan the self appointed Khalifa-e-Waqt is a massive hypocrite and a war criminal and Mahathir is a great leader but Malaysia has little international influence.

Imran is a puppet PM who is not taken seriously internationally because everyone knows who holds the real power in Pakistan. Besides, Pakistan has zero international credibility.

The only relevant country in this summit is Iran, but he is surrounded by liabilities except Erdogan.

Furthermore, if history tells us anything, the reality is that we have always sold ourselves to the highest bidder. Saudi doesn’t want us to go but Malaysia and Turkey does, so ultimately it is going to come down to who can offer us more paper.

Secondly, imagine if Nawaz was the PM here who would have had second thoughts on participating in this summit because of Saudi pressure. PTI cult-followers would be jumping up and down and hurling abuses at Nawaz. All the big talk and arrogance of PTI continues to blow in their faces.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Good to see a certain poster still actively posting, I was wondering about dearth of certain poster's participation in other multi page threads.

On topic, Imran not going to this summit is a step backwards. At the moment countries like Malaysia, Turkey and Iran are actively engaging in a dialogue such opportunities don't come often so whatever happened in Saudi, Imran should have played this better somehow. He should have convinced that Saudi his alliance while participating in this summit.

I don't want Imran to take his foot off this pedal. This diaspora is very important to rejuvenate the image of Islamic countries and with neighboring countries changing laws and carrying out atrocities in name of religion this is prime time to show positive image of Islam to the world.

 

[Mamoon]

Good to see a certain poster still actively posting, I was wondering about dearth of certain poster's participation in other multi page threads.

On topic, Imran not going to this summit is a step backwards. At the moment countries like Malaysia, Turkey and Iran are actively engaging in a dialogue such opportunities don't come often so whatever happened in Saudi, Imran should have played this better somehow. He should have convinced that Saudi his alliance while participating in this summit.

I don't want Imran to take his foot off this pedal. This diaspora is very important to rejuvenate the image of Islamic countries and with neighboring countries changing laws and carrying out atrocities in name of religion this is prime time to show positive image of Islam to the world.

I am busy these days due to some personal commitments. Nevertheless, your point regarding rejuvenating Islam’s image is valid, but the problem is that these countries have no credibility when it comes to reflecting a positive image of Islam.

Turkey - Erdogan is a war criminal who has received a lot of flak for his atrocities against the Kurds.

Pakistan - few countries have less credibility and negative image in international forums. A country renowned for harboring terrorist outfits and committing atrocities against minorities in its countries.

A country that does not allow a non-Muslim to be the head of state and a country that has committed the largest genocide in modern history of subcontinent.

Iran - Another country with a long list of human rights violations as well as the enforcement of capital punishment.

Qatar - isolated by other gulf countries for funding and supporting ISIS.

You can’t come up with a worse assortment of countries if you are looking to project a positive image of Islam.

 

[the Great Khan]

I am busy these days due to some personal commitments. Nevertheless, your point regarding rejuvenating Islam’s image is valid, but the problem is that these countries have no credibility when it comes to reflecting a positive image of Islam.

Turkey - Erdogan is a war criminal who has received a lot of flak for his atrocities against the Kurds.

Pakistan - few countries have less credibility and negative image in international forums. A country renowned for harboring terrorist outfits and committing atrocities against minorities in its countries.

A country that does not allow a non-Muslim to be the head of state and a country that has committed the largest genocide in modern history of subcontinent.

Iran - Another country with a long list of human rights violations as well as the enforcement of capital punishment.

Qatar - isolated by other gulf countries for funding and supporting ISIS.

You can’t come up with a worse assortment of countries if you are looking to project a positive image of Islam.

alright Genius lets have your solution then. your always moaning and shouting from the sidelines but your solutions when they actually appear (which is extremely rare by the way) are beyond laughable.

So put your money where your mouth is and give us your great wisdom!!

 

[Mamoon]

alright Genius lets have your solution then. your always moaning and shouting from the sidelines but your solutions when they actually appear (which is extremely rare by the way) are beyond laughable.

So put your money where your mouth is and give us your great wisdom!!

Solution to what? I presume Islamophobia and the negative image of Islam since your post wasn’t clear.

These useless summits are not a solution and never will be. What have the several other Muslim alliances achieved so far, and we can go all the way back to the United Arab Republic forged between Egypt and Syria in the 50s to counter Israel.

Islamophobia is largely a self-created problem and it has been used as a weapon by the western powers to exert their influence and dominance.

Is Islamophobia part of the western foreign policy? Yes it is, but only because we have allowed it to be.

To alter the image of Islam, Muslim countries will have to engage in introspection and clean up their act. They will have to give rights and protection to minorities and invest in science. It will be a slow process but slowly it will show its impact on the perception of Islam.

You can call these solutions laughable, but they are less hilarious than the prospects of war criminals and terrorism-financiers forming alliances and launching TV channels that even they won’t watch.

 

[AdamM97]

Good to see a certain poster still actively posting, I was wondering about dearth of certain poster's participation in other multi page threads.

On topic, Imran not going to this summit is a step backwards. At the moment countries like Malaysia, Turkey and Iran are actively engaging in a dialogue such opportunities don't come often so whatever happened in Saudi, Imran should have played this better somehow. He should have convinced that Saudi his alliance while participating in this summit.

I don't want Imran to take his foot off this pedal. This diaspora is very important to rejuvenate the image of Islamic countries and with neighboring countries changing laws and carrying out atrocities in name of religion this is prime time to show positive image of Islam to the world.

Agreed. Sad that Imran won’t be attending the summit. It’s time Pakistan takes a more neutral stance on west asian conflicts. Sick to see Pakistan pandering to the Saudis while they decided to invest 90+ M in India while the Kashmir issue was happening.

 

[Mian]

So IK met Erdogan in Geneva today and also called Mahathir i hope he was able to control some of the damage.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Imran Khan apprised his Malaysian counterpart regarding Saudi Arabia's reservations: sources <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DunyaUpdates?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DunyaUpdates</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DunyaNews?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DunyaNews</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Malaysia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Malaysia</a></p>— Dunya News (@DunyaNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/DunyaNews/status/1206901887313829888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan will not participate in the upcoming Kuala Lumpur Summit, a statement by the Prime Minister's Office of Malaysia confirmed on Tuesday.

The statement said Malaysian Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad received a call from Imran yesterday (Dec 16). "Prime Minister Imran Khan expressed his regrets for not being able to attend the Kuala Lumpur Summit," said the statement.

"Dr Mahathir appreciates Prime Minister Imran Khan’s call to inform of his inability to attend the summit where the Pakistani leader was expected to speak and share his thoughts on the state of affairs of the Islamic world.

"Dr Mahathir would also like to correct some misinformation as was reported in Pakistan Today that alleged Dr Mahathir as saying that the KL Summit was intended to be a platform to replace the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation," added the statement.

The summit, which is being participated by over 400 Muslim leaders, intellectuals, scholars and thinkers from 52 countries, will begin on Dec 18 in Kuala Lumpur, while the foreign leaders will meet on Dec 19 to explore new and workable solutions for problems afflicting the Muslim world. It is believed that Imran Khan had contributed to the idea of the summit during his trilateral meeting with Malaysian Prime Minister Mahatir bin Mohamad and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in New York in September on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session. Mahatir and Erdogan are the driving force behind the new forum.

A day earlier, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Information and Broadcasting Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan had told reporters that a decision on Prime Minister Imran’s participation in the event would be taken on Wednesday (Dec 18) after his return from the ongoing overseas trip to Bahrain and Switzerland.

“The priorities, the national priorities are linked to national narrative and national interest,” Dr Awan explained, adding that the premier would hold consultations with all stakeholders before taking a decision on this matter. The decision would be taken in the light of his other engagements as well, she said, adding that discussions on the issue were, as of now, continuing within the government.

According to a diplomatic source, the reconsideration has been prompted by Saudi reservations. Imran had last Saturday travelled to Riyadh to assuage kingdom’s concerns and reportedly reassured Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman that his participation in the event would not be at the cost of Saudi interests. No reason from the government, however, has yet come forward.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1522790/p...oming-kuala-lumpur-summit-malaysian-pm-office

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[Mamoon]

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More humiliation for the “nuclear power”. Imran Khan crumbles at the first sight of pressure yet again. He has the spine of a jelly.

Mahathir and Erdogan deserve this humiliation for laboring under the delusions that Pakistan finally have a leader who can withstand pressure and take his own decisions.

Yet another example of PTI’s big talk blowing in their faces. As I said before, imagine if this was Nawaz Sharif. PTI cult-followers, who would now defend Imran as per their duty, would be jumping up and down and abusing Nawaz.

 

[Mamoon]

Malaysia backed Imran on his crocodile tears on Kashmir and also supported Pakistan on FATF, while Saudi backed India. And this is the result.

Maybe Mahathir has gone senile or is unaware of Pakistan and Imran’s history.

 

[Mamoon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Imran Khan cancels Malaysia visit under Saudi pressure just weeks after pledging to start several projects with Malaysia. That sums up tall claims of 'dear Pakistanis, i will always take a stand and will not come under pressure'. <a href="https://t.co/ZPkhFM1q2L">https://t.co/ZPkhFM1q2L</a></p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaViews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaViews/status/1206891959819866114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan has brought the Pakistani government to an entirely new level of subservience by cancelling his trip to the Malaysia Summit. A new milestone in Pakistan's career as a client-state for Saudi Arabia.</p>— Shaheryar Mirza (@mirza9) <a href="https://twitter.com/mirza9/status/1206918581889437697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine, just until recently Pakistan was on its way to possibly mediating between Iran and Saudi Arabia. No awards for guessing what the Iranians think about Pakistan's stellar show of strength in the face of the first real test regarding its influence in the Muslim world.</p>— Shaheryar Mirza (@mirza9) <a href="https://twitter.com/mirza9/status/1206920645445083141?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Mamoon]

Now the real challenge for Imran and his cult-followers is to somehow blame this on PMLN.

 

[Mamoon]

This is particularly embarrassing for Pakistan because Imran ran to Saudi to appease his masters in person but it clearly didn’t work. Had he sent a delegation it wouldn’t have been humiliating to such extreme proportions.

It was a massive blunder.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Malaysia backed Imran on his crocodile tears on Kashmir and also supported Pakistan on FATF, while Saudi backed India. And this is the result.

Maybe Mahathir has gone senile or is unaware of Pakistan and Imran’s history.

you dont like kashmiri people ?

 

[Mamoon]

“A challenge to Saudi leadership”

“We are a nuclear power and will not bow to international pressure”

: )

 

[Lonewarrior]

“A challenge to Saudi leadership”

“We are a nuclear power and will not bow to international pressure”

: )

i asked you something , you dont like kashmiri people ?

 

[AdamM97]

you dont like kashmiri people ?

No, he believes that Kashmiris should be ”pragmatic” and accept Indian occupation as per his previous comments on multiple threads.

 

[IAJ]

Sorry to say that, but if countries can dictate you like that with money, then there is not much hope for you. Apne paaon pey khadha houna seekho.

I know it is easy for us to sit and critisize Imran sitting in comfort of Scandinavia, but if you want to achieve big things you can’t let money decide your future and your poor economy should not stop you either.

 

[JaDed]

Sorry to say that, but if countries can dictate you like that with money, then there is not much hope for you. Apne paaon pey khadha houna seekho.

I know it is easy for us to sit and critisize Imran sitting in comfort of Scandinavia, but if you want to achieve big things you can’t let money decide your future and your poor economy should not stop you either.

?? Money decides everything .. most countries would stay away from criticism of Saudi and China, only USA actually allows criticism.. among money donors..

 

[szundercover]

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More humiliation for the “nuclear power”. Imran Khan crumbles at the first sight of pressure yet again. He has the spine of a jelly.

Mahathir and Erdogan deserve this humiliation for laboring under the delusions that Pakistan finally have a leader who can withstand pressure and take his own decisions.

Yet another example of PTI’s big talk blowing in their faces. As I said before, imagine if this was Nawaz Sharif. PTI cult-followers, who would now defend Imran as per their duty, would be jumping up and down and abusing Nawaz.

I am officialy out of this tabdeeli boat. This has been the biggest embarrassment for imran khan at the international stage. Uturn after uturn.

 

[IAJ]

?? Money decides everything .. most countries would stay away from criticism of Saudi and China, only USA actually allows criticism.. among money donors..

That is exactly why most countries will not reach the biggest hights...

 

[Mian]

“A challenge to Saudi leadership”

“We are a nuclear power and will not bow to international pressure”

: )

Calm down and read again when you finish jumping with joy. I never mentioned Pakistan is a challenge to saudis i was talking about this new alliance Mahatir was trying to build against Saudis and if you had spent a couple of seconds reading OP you should have noticed i already showed my concerns Pakistan is the one in awakward situation because other countries are already anti saudia

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Malaysia backed Imran on his crocodile tears on Kashmir and also supported Pakistan on FATF, while Saudi backed India. And this is the result.

Maybe Mahathir has gone senile or is unaware of Pakistan and Imran’s history.

Not a good look for Pakistan or IK. This looks like a win for you in your staunch battle to expose Kaptaan. Kudos for your efforts, you have remained steadfast.

 

[JaDed]

That is exactly why most countries will not reach the biggest hights...

I don’t get that, Look at NBA bowed to China, similarly Americans get money from Arabs and Russia.. POTUS is another example.. China brought him to his knees with trade war coz of Soy farmers lol.(exaggeration)..

 

[Mian]

Hello [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you can stop jumping now and figure out how this call happened.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaudiArabia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SaudiArabia</a>'s King Salman received a call from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Malaysia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Malaysia</a>'s prime minister Mahathir Mohamad on Tuesday, during which the king stressed importance of joint Islamic action through the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (<a href="https://twitter.com/OIC_OCI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OIC_OCI</a>)<a href="https://t.co/5gza5XJvH9">https://t.co/5gza5XJvH9</a> <a href="https://t.co/fmmP1Wn3lp">pic.twitter.com/fmmP1Wn3lp</a></p>— Arab News (@arabnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/arabnews/status/1206937189076082690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Mian]

So Dr [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] if you have stopped jumping can you please answer why Dr Mahathir is saving Imran's a$s here if he humiliated him according to your logic.

"Imran did not cancel KL Summit trip due to Saudi Arabia pressure, says Dr Mahathir "

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nat...t-trip-due-to-saudi-arabia-pressure-says-dr-m

It's reported in Malaysian media quoting Mahathir directly so i am not quoting some Pakistani masala

 

[JaDed]

So Dr [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] if you have stopped jumping can you please answer why Dr Mahathir is saving Imran's a$s here if he humiliated him according to your logic.

"Imran did not cancel KL Summit trip due to Saudi Arabia pressure, says Dr Mahathir "

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nat...t-trip-due-to-saudi-arabia-pressure-says-dr-m

It's reported in Malaysian media quoting Mahathir directly so i am not quoting some Pakistani masala

If you read the report he says he doesn’t know the reason but its not what media is saying.. so unless he is confused not sure what is this..

Mahathir is a seasoned politician he will never embarrass friends but surely he will be disappointed..

 

[Mian]

If you read the report he says he doesn’t know the reason but its not what media is saying.. so unless he is confused not sure what is this..

Mahathir is a seasoned politician he will never embarrass friends but surely he will be disappointed..

Mahathir called King Salman of Saudia a few hours ago so if he is saying 'it's not what's being reported in Pakistani media' means he knows what he is saying.

 

[JaDed]

Mahathir called King Salman of Saudia a few hours ago so if he is saying 'it's not what's being reported in Pakistani media' means he knows what he is saying.

Mahathir does know and is trying his best to be apolitical but Imran did choose a side..
Luckily for Pak its a nuclear country so if it wants to rejoin later won’t be a big deal..there will no blowback as far as i can tell..

My assumption is its not thing to do with different organization but Qatar-Iran..

 

[Mamoon]

So Dr [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] if you have stopped jumping can you please answer why Dr Mahathir is saving Imran's a$s here if he humiliated him according to your logic.

"Imran did not cancel KL Summit trip due to Saudi Arabia pressure, says Dr Mahathir "

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nat...t-trip-due-to-saudi-arabia-pressure-says-dr-m

It's reported in Malaysian media quoting Mahathir directly so i am not quoting some Pakistani masala

It is pretty obvious that Mahathir is trying to save Imran’s face after he was grilled by the media for buckling under Saudi pressure. We should appreciate his kind gesture instead of using this as an opportunity to defend Imran.

Whether his supporters admit or not, it is blatantly obvious that Imran got bullied by the Saudis. As I said earlier, his biggest mistake was running to Saudi in person to seek their permission. He should have sent a delegation headed by the fake pir SMQ instead of going in person. It has made him look extremely weak.

Imran has allowed Pakistan to be humiliated. I duly remember his statement that he will not allow Pakistan to bow before anyone except the Almighty. He has let the country down with yet another u-turn and false promise.

 

[Mamoon]

i asked you something , you dont like kashmiri people ?

You are asking a off-topic question that does not deserve to be answered. Nonetheless, I shall oblige.

I do not like or dislike the people of J&K because I have no connection with them. They are not Pakistanis and they have a different culture than mine, so I have no affiliation with them. However, I do believe that every nation on earth deserves freedom. Nevertheless, it is not our war to fight. Their freedom is not our responsibility.

 

[kk1992]

You are asking a off-topic question that does not deserve to be answered. Nonetheless, I shall oblige.

I do not like or dislike the people of J&K because I have no connection with them. They are not Pakistanis and they have a different culture than mine, so I have no affiliation with them. However, I do believe that every nation on earth deserves freedom. Nevertheless, it is not our war to fight. Their freedom is not our responsibility.

Then why did your chaddi got tighter when IK did not speak about Chinese Muslims? lol

 

[kk1992]

It is pretty obvious that Mahathir is trying to save Imran’s face after he was grilled by the media for buckling under Saudi pressure. We should appreciate his kind gesture instead of using this as an opportunity to defend Imran.

Whether his supporters admit or not, it is blatantly obvious that Imran got bullied by the Saudis. As I said earlier, his biggest mistake was running to Saudi in person to seek their permission. He should have sent a delegation headed by the fake pir SMQ instead of going in person. It has made him look extremely weak.

Imran has allowed Pakistan to be humiliated. I duly remember his statement that he will not allow Pakistan to bow before anyone except the Almighty. He has let the country down with yet another u-turn and false promise.

Really?

Explain because explanation that you have provided is for point scoring and highlight your lack of understanding of world's politics, which I doubt you lack but compromised since you can score points against IK and PTI, lol

 

[Pakpak]

Then why did your chaddi got tighter when IK did not speak about Chinese Muslims? lol

The guy is a walking contradiction lol. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] 's posts against him are the best thing on PP.

 

[AdamM97]

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nat...t-trip-due-to-saudi-arabia-pressure-says-dr-m

Interesting, Mahathir claims that Imran couldn’t attend the summit due to other reasons and not because of Saudi pressure as Geo News claims.

Not sure if Mahathirs claims are true, but interesting still.

 

[Mamoon]

Then why did your chaddi got tighter when IK did not speak about Chinese Muslims? lol

Because Imran is a politician who made scathing attacks on Kashmir and called if a humanitarian issue but has turned a blind eye to the atrocities of his Chinese masters.

As a result, it is inevitable that he will be called out for his hypocrisy and double standards. Kashmir is not a humanitarian issue for Pakistan. It is purely political.

Really?

Explain because explanation that you have provided is for point scoring and highlight your lack of understanding of world's politics, which I doubt you lack but compromised since you can score points against IK and PTI, lol

You can try to twist it with word salads any way you want, but the only explanation is that Imran has proved to be a paper tiger who got bullied by the Saudis and has made Pakistan look weak.

Nuclear power lol.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Certain posters are bringing nuclear power into discussion. Well one reason that Pakistan is still standing its ground after war on terror is its nuclear ability. The reason that Pakistan was not militarily or economically crushed during heightened tensions during war on terror is its nuclear ability.

Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is not to show strength it is there to show impeccable defense.

On topic, I have already said Imran lost a bit of diplomacy in this episode. But this is not as big a failure as certain people on here are trying to show. On side topic, Imran in this year alone has won many diplomacy episodes, I'm sure many posters on here will be well aware of those episodes too.

 

[kk1992]

Because Imran is a politician who made scathing attacks on Kashmir and called if a humanitarian issue but has turned a blind eye to the atrocities of his Chinese masters.

As a result, it is inevitable that he will be called out for his hypocrisy and double standards. Kashmir is not a humanitarian issue for Pakistan. It is purely political.


who is calling him hypocrite, you and RSS/BJP? as if that matters. lol

of course he is a politician, he became a PM of Pakistan, i thought only a politician doing politics are suppose to become PM of any country. lol

You can try to twist it with word salads any way you want, but the only explanation is that Imran has proved to be a paper tiger who got bullied by the Saudis and has made Pakistan look weak.

Nuclear power lol.

Are we suppose to use Nuclear against Saudi? lo, time to go back to meditation.

Like I've said, you want to score points, which you are unable to because most see that Pakistan is not at the position to dictate anything at the moment because you believe Zardari and NS was the best competent corrupt leader Pakistan should have.

LOLs

 

[JaDed]

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nat...t-trip-due-to-saudi-arabia-pressure-says-dr-m

Interesting, Mahathir claims that Imran couldn’t attend the summit due to other reasons and not because of Saudi pressure as Geo News claims.

Not sure if Mahathirs claims are true, but interesting still.

In the same news he is saying he doesn’t know what reason..

"He can't come maybe because of other issues.
"But what was reported in the media was not true.

 

[moghul]

Saudis did not permit Pakistan to attend Malaysia conference.

BCCI did not permit BCB to tour Pakistan for tests.

 

[Bewal Express]

PK for decades has relied too heavily on the Saudis. A corrupt regime that does nothing for any Muslims except to spread chaos and fitna. Its fight with Iran( who are nearly as guilty) has and will continue to do damage to Muslims. PK has to get strong economically so that we are not reliant on these losers.

 

[Mamoon]

Fate of world’s Muslims not in hands of five countries: Erdogan at KL Summit

Speaking at the opening ceremony of the Kuala Lumpur Summit in the Malaysian capital, Erdogan reiterated that the world is bigger than five, referring to the five permanent UN Security Council members, whose veto power could prove catastrophic for smaller nations.

“The world is bigger than five” is a famous slogan repeatedly used by Erdogan to criticise the permanent council members – China, France, Russia, the UK and the US.

As they try to silence Turkey, we insist on calling attention to Palestine, Gaza, the Rohingya, Libya, Somalia, and Syria,” he stressed.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/212101...hands-five-countries-erdogan-kl-summit/?amp=1

Looks like the self-appointed Khalifa-e-waqt forgot to mention Kashmir only a month after hosting an international conference on the issue.

It appears that our Saudi puppet is already paying a hefty price.

 

[JaDed]

Fate of world’s Muslims not in hands of five countries: Erdogan at KL Summit



https://tribune.com.pk/story/212101...hands-five-countries-erdogan-kl-summit/?amp=1

Looks like the self-appointed Khalifa-e-waqt forgot to mention Kashmir only a month after hosting an international conference on the issue.

It appears that our Saudi puppet is already paying a hefty price.

Well we did buy onions from him..

 

[ReverseHit]

This probably falls under one of those moments when Imran justifies a U-turn. But I can see his plight - his feet (and tongue) were probably tied by the Saudis.

 

[Abdullah719]

Govt trying to end discord over KL summit, says FM

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MULTAN: Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Sunday that the Kuala Lumpur summit was a sincere effort by Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad to pool energies and strength of Muslim countries, but ‘some friends’ apprehended the initiative might divide the Ummah and establish a forum parallel to the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).

Talking to media, the foreign minister said that Pakistan appreciated the efforts of the Malaysian prime minister and never doubted them.

“There is no doubt that his efforts are aimed at pooling the strength and capacities of different Muslim countries to initiate joint projects for their socio-economic uplift. Countering Islamophobia is also one of the aims. His thinking is positive, but some friends have apprehensions, although efforts were made to address their concerns.”

Mr Qureshi said Pakistan was still making efforts to end the misunderstandings and “we are grateful to the leadership of Malaysia and Turkey who not only heard our point of view but also understood it”.

“The Turkish president’s visit to Pakistan in February will provide an opportunity to further discuss the matter in detail, while Prime Minister Imran Khan will visit Malaysia in the near future. Pakistan has friendly ties with all Muslim countries as we are making efforts to bring them closer,” he said.

In reply to questions, the foreign minister said the government’s recent move to amend the National Accountability Ordinance was neither meant to cover up corruption nor to give concessions.

“Commenting on such issues without reading (content) has now become a common practice. First read and examine it before raising objections. They (opposition) have been of the view that the business community is not making investment because of fear of NAB and when the government tried to address the issue, they are giving it a new twist.

“Do not doubt the government’s intentions and avoid doing politics over it,” he appealed.

In reply to a question, Mr Qureshi said Pakistan had supported the democratic process in Afghanistan.

“Final results of Afghan election are yet to be announced and whatever the results are Pakistan will honour them.”

The foreign minister said there was no truth behind reports about the formation of a forward bloc in the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf. “I do not think any effort is under way to make any bloc.”

Ruling out any institutional clash over retired Gen Pervez Musharraf’s conviction, he said the role of institutions had been defined in the Constitution. “We respect the independence of judiciary and judiciary should let the executive do its work,” he said.

Mr Qureshi said Bangladesh was ready to send its cricket team to Pakistan, but did otherwise because of Indian pressure.

“Bangladesh should take its decisions independently. It can maintain its relations with India, but not at the cost of international sport.”

The foreign minister said he had requested his Saudi counterpart during his recent visit to Islamabad that the OIC should raise its voice over the issue of the Citizenship Amendment Act introduced by the Indian government, besides taking notice of the situation prevailing in occupied Kashmir.

He said the Saudi foreign minister had agreed to his suggestion and a meeting of OIC’s foreign ministers would be held soon in Islamabad.

“I wrote a letter to the president of United Nations Security Council and informed him about Pakistan’s point of view over the situation in occupied Kashmir. In the light of this letter, China demanded deployment of UN military observers in Kashmir.”

He said India had deployed missiles at five points along the Line of Control.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1525206/govt-trying-to-end-discord-over-kl-summit-says-fm

 

[MenInG]

KUALA LUMPUR – Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan’s (picture) two-day working visit to Malaysia starting today is set to further enhance and solidify long-standing brotherly relations between the two nations.

Khan’s second visit here since his ascension to the prime minister’s post in August 2018 would include a high-level delegation from Islamabad including Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi and Defence Production Minister Zubaida Jalal.

Set to arrive here tonight, the former cricket star is scheduled to meet Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad in Putrajaya on Tuesday morning.

Khan is also scheduled to give a talk at the Institute of Advanced Islamic Studies (IAIS) on regional peace and security.

The two leaders share great camaraderie as both have similar views in many areas, such as on combatting corruption and issues concerning Muslim ummah like Islamophobia, Palestine and the Rohingya’s plight.

Their meeting is expected to discuss on matters of mutual interest and a follow up on Dr Mahathir’s March 2019 official visit to Islamabad where both leaders had agreed to elevate Malaysia-Pakistan relations to a Strategic Partnership that will mark a new level of bilateral cooperation in the trade of palm oil, agricultural products, retail, halal products, automotive parts, energy, science and technology, and telecommunication investment.

Malaysia and Pakistan also enjoy dynamic economic cooperation since the signing of the Malaysia-Pakistan Closer Economic Partnership Agreement (MPCEPA) in November 2007. It encompasses liberalisation in the trade of goods and services, investment, as well as bilateral technical cooperation and capacity building.

Total trade between Malaysia and Pakistan stood at RM5.91 billion in 2018, an increase of 2.5 per cent compared to RM5.76 billion in 2017.

Since establishing diplomatic ties in 1957, the two nations have also shared warm and cordial relations and have worked closely in many areas, including at international fora such as the United Nations, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and Non-Aligned Movement.

With a large diaspora of Pakistan nationals here, both countries also share great people-to-people relations.

https://themalaysianreserve.com/202...-enhance-longstanding-pakistan-malaysia-ties/

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday expressed his regret on being unable to attend the Kuala Lumpur Summit, held in Malaysia in December of last year, adding that there was a misconception among some countries that the conference would divide the ummah.

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Addressing a joint press conference following talks with Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad in Putrajaya, Prime Minister Imran said: "I want to say how sad I was that I couldn't attend the conference in Kuala Lumpur in the middle of December.

"Unfortunately, our friends, who are very close to Pakistan as well, felt that somehow the conference was going to divide the ummah. It was clearly a misconception because that was not the purpose of the conference as evident from when the conference took place."

In December of last year, Prime Minister Imran had pulled out of the Kuala Lumpur Summit of some 20 Muslim countries reportedly due to pressure exerted by Saudi Arabia. At the time, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi had confirmed that Riyadh and the UAE had concerns about the summit.

The premier today said that he was "looking forward" to attending the conference because he felt that it is important that Muslim countries educate the West and other non-Muslim countries about Islam.

"All these misunderstandings, whether they are deliberate or whether they are by ignorance, [...] it is important that we the Muslim countries, educate them about the real message of our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

"I also felt that we need a media, which we are working on, some sort of a joint effort that not only projects this [...] but also develop content for our young people about what really Islam is."

He reiterated his regret at being unable to attend the conference.

Responding to a question about whether he would attend the KL Summit next year, Prime Minister Imran said: "Of course I would because now it is evident that the KL Summit was not to divide the ummah [...] If anything it was to unite the ummah, so of course I would love to come."

In response to another question, the premier said the decision not to attend the summit had not affected Pakistan's relations with other Muslim nations.

Import of palm oil
In response to a question about getting Pakistan to buy more palm oil from Malaysia, the Malaysian prime minister said that the two had discussed the sale of palm oil.

"I think Pakistan is quite ready to import more palm oil from Malaysia," he said.

"That's right, especially since we noticed that India threatened to cut Malaysia's palm oil imports for supporting the Kashmir cause, Pakistan will do its best to compensate for that," Prime Minister Imran added.

India has put general restrictions on refined palm oil imports and informally asked traders specifically to stop buying from Malaysia, the world's second-biggest producer and exporter of the edible oil, in retaliation for Malaysia's accusation that recent Indian policies discriminate against Muslims.

'Reconciliation with India'
The premier also addressed an event organised by the Institute of Strategic and International Studies of Malaysia.

During his address, the premier said that Pakistan was meant to emulate the Riasat-i-Madina but had lost its way.

"We want far away from that ideal and if you ask me why Pakistan could not achieve its great God given potential, it's because of this fact.

"Nations without visions eventually die.

"My vision is to go back to the reason why Pakistan was made," he said.

Responding to a question at the session, the prime minister recalled that one of his first actions after being elected into power was extending a hand of friendship to India.

"I said this for one reason, and that one reason is that the greatest number of poor people live in the Indian subcontinent.

"The best way we can reduce poverty is when the two countries start having [a] good relationship [and] start trading with each other."

He went on to add: "And I repeat, that the reason we kept getting rebuffed by India again and again was not for practical reasons. It was because India has been taken over by an extremist ideology and time will tell people who don't understand. What is happening in India right now is terrible for Indians. It will divide India forever."

The prime minister warned that the "Hindutva racial superior ideology" would exclude minorities in India.

"Once this ideology is out of the bottle, it's very difficult to put it back in the bottle," he said and added: "Let me just say, that I say it in sympathy [that] what is happening in India is the biggest disaster for India because this sort of ideology, fascist ideology, does not allow any other shades of opinion to prosper."

He assured that Pakistan would be willing to develop friendly relations "whenever there is a government in India which believes in prosperity of the subcontinent, poverty alleviation".

Mahathir and Imran hold talks
Talks between Prime Minister Imran and Prime Minister Mahathir were held earlier today.

Speaking at the press conference following the talks, Mahathir said: "We agree on the need for regular discussions to strengthen trade relations by removing barriers in key areas and addressing the bilateral goods imbalance."

Imran thanked his Malaysian counterpart for the invitation to his country and said the trip was to further strengthen the ties between Pakistan and Malaysia, which he said, have traditionally been close.

"The object of the trip is to get even closer," he said.

"We feel that there the future of trading ties, investment, of cooperation between Malaysia and Pakistan is tremendous," the premier said, adding that there is a close affinity between the people of the two countries.

The premier specifically thanked Malaysia for the way the country had spoken about the situation in Kashmir.

Upon his arrival, Prime Minister Imran was received by his Malaysian counterpart.

PM arrives in Malaysia
On Monday, the premier arrived in Kuala Lumpur on a two-day official visit to the country on the invitation of the Malaysian prime minister.

The premier was received by Malaysia's Minister for Defence Mohamad Sabu and senior officials of the Malaysian government upon his arrival at Bunga Raya Complex, Kuala Lumpur International Airport. High Commissioner of Pakistan in Malaysia Amna Baloch and officers of the high commission were also present.

According to the Prime Minister's Office, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Federal Minister for Planning, Development and Special Initiatives Asad Umar, Commerce Adviser Abdul Razak Dawood and Foreign Secretary Sohail Mahmood accompanied the prime minister.

In his first engagement of the visit, Prime Minister Imran exchanged views with the Malaysian defence minister at the Kuala Lumpur airport.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1532420/p...er-others-misconception-it-would-divide-ummah

 

[MenInG]

KUALA LUMPUR (Feb 4): Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan has expressed his admiration of his Malaysian counterpart Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, whom he considers is a true leader.

Imran Khan said Dr Mahathir is an example of a leader who takes a stand, especially for the betterment of Islam and Muslims.

"There is a difference between an office holder and a leader. A leader always has a belief system and ideology.

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"A leader always takes a stand and that is why we love and respect Prime Minister Dr Mahathir so much,” he said, referring to Dr Mahathir's outspokenness against India.

Imran Khan, who gave a talk entitled 'Vision for Regional Peace and Security' at the International Institute of Advanced Islamic Studies (IAIS) here today, said this when asked by a member of the audience about India’s move to stop buying Malaysian palm oil, following Dr Mahathir's criticism of India’s actions in Kashmir and its new citizenship law.

The former cricket star said Dr Mahathir is also seen as a role model and statesman in the Islamic world who changed the destiny of so many people.

"We have seen how Malaysia transformed and developed under the leadership of Dr Mahathir. But what I also like about Malaysia is that it has a very civilised society.

"I find there is harmony between religions and ethnic groups which I think is a hallmark of civilised society.

"In the golden age era of Islam, people of different religions lived together. There was tolerance and acceptance...And you see in Malaysia people live in harmony, and in my opinion it's really something to be admired," he added.

Meanwhile, Imran Khan said the 1.3 billion Muslims of the world should speak up on the Kashmir issue, especially the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).

"In my opinion, it could get worse. If you read history, whenever anyone stokes the fire of ultra-nationalism and directs hatred to other communities, it always leads to bloodshed," he said.

The prime minister also said Pakistan is always ready to reconcile with an India that believes in prosperity and poverty alleviation in the region.

He said among the first things he did after becoming Prime Minister, was to reach out to his Indian counterpart.

"The greatest number of poor people live in the Indian subcontinent and the best way we can reduce poverty in the area is if the two countries start good relations.

"The moment tensions go down and we spend less on defence, the more prosperous it will be," he said, but noted that Pakistan kept getting rebuffed by its neighbour.

During the talk, Imran Khan also highlighted his vision of a Pakistan that is based on Prophet Muhammad's success in establishing Madinah as the first Islamic state with the people's welfare and rule of law as the main principles.

He said Pakistan has already embarked on becoming a welfare state, as for the first time in the country's history, health insurance was given to the weakest segment of society, benefiting six million families.

The Prime Minister said universities in the Muslim world need to do a detailed research on the state of Madinah, as a recipe to build a successful country.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/mahathir-true-leader-muslim-world-says-pakistans-imran-khan