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Kuldeep Yadav vs Shadab Khan

Still remember a particular thread comparing Virender Sehwag and Imran Nazir. Funniest bit was that posters were saying how Nazir was brainless but Sehwag couldn’t even dream of playing the shots that Nazir could🤣
That's actually pretty funny lol 😂😂
 
I still believe that Shadab is much better than what people have been suggesting over the past week. However, he may not perform as well against Indian team.

Indians are known for their strong performance against spin bowling, and this trend is likely to continue. Shadab, on the other hand, tends to perform better against other teams. He has taken some crucial wickets in important matches against other opponents, and his batting and fielding abilities make him an automatic selection in the playing XI
 
Waqar Younis hasn’t won his team an ODI World Cup, Munaf Patel has 😂
1. is there a waqar younis vs munaf patel thread?
2. How much was munaf patels contribution to that world cup?

Thing is, Hassan Ali was the reason why Pakistan even played that final and he won the player of the tournament award for it
 
1. is there a waqar younis vs munaf patel thread?
2. How much was munaf patels contribution to that world cup?

Thing is, Hassan Ali was the reason why Pakistan even played that final and he won the player of the tournament award for it
Munaf Patel had good contribution in the semi final against Pakistan in the WC. He contributed immensely in that tournsment.
 
Oh dear. 5 years on, this is an embarrassing comparison.

Well it was embarrassing even on day 1 for those who knew what Shadab was all about.
Shadab tried to be a batter who can bowl. He promoted himself up the order in PSL several times. He ensured no quality spinners got a chance in Islamabad United.

He has played 17 FC games since 2016, 6 of those are test matches. Shadab deserves failure. Had he been serious, had he focussed as a pure bowler who bats a bit, he may have made more impact in international cricket.

Instead of kicking him out, PCB made him vice captain. What a joke!
 
Munaf Patel had good contribution in the semi final against Pakistan in the WC. He contributed immensely in that tournsment.
was he player of the tournament?

point is dont discredit hassan ali while bragging about Bumrah because Hassan Ali won an ICC tournament, his efforts lead to us winning the trophy. He was player of the tournament
 
was he player of the tournament?

point is dont discredit hassan ali while bragging about Bumrah because Hassan Ali won an ICC tournament, his efforts lead to us winning the trophy. He was player of the tournament
The same garbage was spoken of before the 2011 WC, how Inzamam won a WC for his team while Sachin couldn’t. Despite Inzamam having a tailendersque record in WC’s, while Sachin having one of the best.
 
Hassan Ali during that champions trophy stint was an absolute class. He bowled in the middle over picking up wickets when needed the most. I still want to see this man get his top form back and get into this side as he can hit come big shots as well.
 
The same garbage was spoken of before the 2011 WC, how Inzamam won a WC for his team while Sachin couldn’t. Despite Inzamam having a tailendersque record in WC’s, while Sachin having one of the best.
bhai what dont you not understand?

HASSAN ALI WON THE PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT AND WAS THE REASON WHY WE REACH THE FINALS.

When Bumrah wins an icc tournament than make comparisons. thanks
 
Shadab is another example of someone who's constant backing has destroyed the careers of many

When you have bowlers like Imad and Abrar who can dominate any opposition plus in the case of Imad, match winners with the bat then the only way to keep them out of them team is for your mediocre players to turn themselves into big social media brands so they have an army of casual fans constantly defending them
 
I still believe that Shadab is much better than what people have been suggesting over the past week. However, he may not perform as well against Indian team.

Indians are known for their strong performance against spin bowling, and this trend is likely to continue. Shadab, on the other hand, tends to perform better against other teams. He has taken some crucial wickets in important matches against other opponents, and his batting and fielding abilities make him an automatic selection in the playing XI
It is the other way around.

Shadab is worse than what people think. Even today, most people don’t realize how bad he actually he is.

He has no proper ability either as a batsman or as a bowler. People keep talking about his value with the bat but he has played 150+ international matches and you can count his good batting contributions one one hand, and it’s not like he hasn’t had opportunities to shine.

You don’t even need to look at the stats to know that he cannot bat and he has done nothing in 7 years to improve his skills.

He doesn’t have the technique to bat in the upper and middle-order and handle pace and spin and he doesn’t have the power hitting skills to be a lower-order impact player/finisher.

As a bowler, the only thing he had in his armory was a googly which he has lost for whatever reason. His leg break was never effective and his control is awful. He guarantees 2-3 boundary balls every over.

As a fielder he is good, not as good as he pretends to be but he is good. However, you cannot carry a player for his fielding skills when he is a liability both with the bat and the ball.

Shadab in the team means you are weakening both your batting and bowling simultaneously. Pakistan would be better off playing a proper batsman or bowler instead.

Furthermore, people keep conflating his performances in T20Is with ODIs. He has been decent in T20Is because he can take a few lucky wickets because the batsmen take risks and he can save 10-15 runs in the field.

His bowling is serviceable for 4 overs but he is not good enough for 10 overs because he is a glorified part-timer.

Shadab is a glorified tail-ender with the bat and a glorified part-timer with the ball. He is not even close to being a proper all-rounder and it will be a travesty if he is still in the ODI team after the World Cup where he is almost guaranteed to let Pakistan down again.

The cherry on top is his poor fitness and endurance. He pretends to be a great athlete but he is one of the weakest and most injury prone players in the squad.
 
It is the other way around.

Shadab is worse than what people think. Even today, most people don’t realize how bad he actually he is.

He has no proper ability either as a batsman or as a bowler. People keep talking about his value with the bat but he has played 150+ international matches and you can count his good batting contributions one one hand, and it’s not like he hasn’t had opportunities to shine.

You don’t even need to look at the stats to know that he cannot bat and he has done nothing in 7 years to improve his skills.

He doesn’t have the technique to bat in the upper and middle-order and handle pace and spin and he doesn’t have the power hitting skills to be a lower-order impact player/finisher.

As a bowler, the only thing he had in his armory was a googly which he has lost for whatever reason. His leg break was never effective and his control is awful. He guarantees 2-3 boundary balls every over.

As a fielder he is good, not as good as he pretends to be but he is good. However, you cannot carry a player for his fielding skills when he is a liability both with the bat and the ball.

Shadab in the team means you are weakening both your batting and bowling simultaneously. Pakistan would be better off playing a proper batsman or bowler instead.

Furthermore, people keep conflating his performances in T20Is with ODIs. He has been decent in T20Is because he can take a few lucky wickets because the batsmen take risks and he can save 10-15 runs in the field.

His bowling is serviceable for 4 overs but he is not good enough for 10 overs because he is a glorified part-timer.

Shadab is a glorified tail-ender with the bat and a glorified part-timer with the ball. He is not even close to being a proper all-rounder and it will be a travesty if he is still in the ODI team after the World Cup where he is almost guaranteed to let Pakistan down again.

The cherry on top is his poor fitness and endurance. He pretends to be a great athlete but he is one of the weakest and most injury prone players in the squad.
There are no quality batters, bowlers, or all-rounders in the Pakistan team, yet they have still managed to reach the top three positions in the last three ICC tournaments.

Nawaz, Usama, and Faheem are equally not performing well, and Shadab seems better than them, so it's obvious he will play. Please don't compare him with the genuine all-rounders of all time. He has produced decent performances in all major tournaments he has played.
 
There are no quality batters, bowlers, or all-rounders in the Pakistan team, yet they have still managed to reach the top three positions in the last three ICC tournaments.

Nawaz, Usama, and Faheem are equally not performing well, and Shadab seems better than them, so it's obvious he will play. Please don't compare him with the genuine all-rounders of all time. He has produced decent performances in all major tournaments he has played.

Again, please don’t mix formats. Last time Pakistan played an ODI tournament, they finished 5th among 10 teams with the third worst NRR.

I have no issues with Shadab playing T20Is but he offers nothing in the ODI format and his performances against the major teams in the last few years confirm this assessment.
 
Shadab
Rizwan
Nawaz
Imam

These 4 are completely wrong selections in ODIs.

Abrar
Haris
Jamal
Abdullah

These 4 guys have character and mental strength. Must be in the team.
 
You didn't see the Hasan Ali vs Bumrah or Imran Nazir vs Sehwag threads?
To be fair to Hasan Ali, he has won Pakistan an entire ICC tournament almost single-handedly. Bumrah has not even come close.

Having said that, Bumrah is the better bowler and Hasan has regressed badly (or been found out or whatever).
 
At the moment, Kuldeep is deinitely performing a lot better than Shadab but it would only get a couple of good spells for Shadab to get back to his best bowling form. Hopefully, he will get these good spells tomorrow against Sri Lanka in the must win game.
 
Epic reply to him .he deserves this
The same garbage was spoken of before the 2011 WC, how Inzamam won a WC for his team while Sachin couldn’t. Despite Inzamam having a tailendersque record in WC’s, while Sachin having one of the best.
bhai what dont you not understand?

HASSAN ALI WON THE PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT AND WAS THE REASON WHY WE REACH THE FINALS.

When Bumrah wins an icc tournament than make comparisons. thanks

Hasan Ali must also be a better bowler than Dale Steyn based on this logic.
 
Hasan Ali must also be a better bowler than Dale Steyn based on this logic.
well did Steyn win an ICC tournament for his team?
Soo funny seeing Indian fans get desperate here.

Bhai, ICC trophies matter, so if you want to do a player comparison show his ICC trophies.

Pakistani fans trolled Tendu all his career and rightly so. But the night Tendu won his World Cup, every Pakistani critic rightly shut their mouth.

Point is, a player with an ICC trophy and the direct impact he made in getting that icc trophy will always matter more,
 
Hassan Ali won his country an ICC trophy, Bumrah hasn't
Bro you can't be serious? Hassan Ali is overhated and unlike shadab vs kuldeep which is a mismatch comparison, Hassan during his 2017 days wasn't a bad player, but comparing him to bumrah is crazy.

Bumrah is a killer bowler who's superior to our current trio. Hassan Ali before his regression was a very good bowler but even his prime 2017 self is not better then pur current trio, except maybe shaheen who I feel is overrated.
 
Bro you can't be serious? Hassan Ali is overhated and unlike shadab vs kuldeep which is a mismatch comparison, Hassan during his 2017 days wasn't a bad player, but comparing him to bumrah is crazy.

Bumrah is a killer bowler who's superior to our current trio. Hassan Ali before his regression was a very good bowler but even his prime 2017 self is not better then pur current trio, except maybe shaheen who I feel is overrated.
bhai, discussion is Hassan vs Bumrah.

Point is Bumrah has no ICC trophy. Hassan Ali had a direct impact for Pakistan where he won an ICC trophy directly for a weaker side. He won a player of the tournament award.

Thing is, ICC trophies matter. A player with an ICC trophy will be regarded higher, and especially a player who had a direct impact in winning that for their team
 
bhai, discussion is Hassan vs Bumrah.

Point is Bumrah has no ICC trophy. Hassan Ali had a direct impact for Pakistan where he won an ICC trophy directly for a weaker side. He won a player of the tournament award.

Thing is, ICC trophies matter. A player with an ICC trophy will be regarded higher, and especially a player who had a direct impact in winning that for their team
No, that's a very very narrow viewpoint of thinking. A player will outperform another player on some occasions. Wasim akram has been outperformed by many lesser bowlers on multiple occasions even in icc tournaments.

That doesn't mean those lesser bowlers are superior to him. Cricket isn't a one way sport. Every player of the game even ATG's (unless your Donald brandman) will be outshined occasionally even in icc tournaments.

That doesn't mean hassan Ali is overall better then bumrah or has more impact then him. 2017 hassan Ali is good and outshined bumrah on a few occasions especially the final. That doesn't mean hassan is superior or has more of an impact or is more highly regarded. No selector (unless nepotism applies) would ever in their right mind choose 2017 prime hassan Ali over bumrah in an icc event.
 
well did Steyn win an ICC tournament for his team?
Soo funny seeing Indian fans get desperate here.

Bhai, ICC trophies matter, so if you want to do a player comparison show his ICC trophies.

Pakistani fans trolled Tendu all his career and rightly so. But the night Tendu won his World Cup, every Pakistani critic rightly shut their mouth.

Point is, a player with an ICC trophy and the direct impact he made in getting that icc trophy will always matter more,
So you agree that Hasan Ali is better than Ambrose, Donald, and Steyn?
 
well did Steyn win an ICC tournament for his team?
Soo funny seeing Indian fans get desperate here.

Bhai, ICC trophies matter, so if you want to do a player comparison show his ICC trophies.

Pakistani fans trolled Tendu all his career and rightly so. But the night Tendu won his World Cup, every Pakistani critic rightly shut their mouth.

Point is, a player with an ICC trophy and the direct impact he made in getting that icc trophy will always matter more,
Does making impact for opponents in an ICC trophy also counts like Misbah did twice for India?
 
well did Steyn win an ICC tournament for his team?
Soo funny seeing Indian fans get desperate here.

Bhai, ICC trophies matter, so if you want to do a player comparison show his ICC trophies.

Pakistani fans trolled Tendu all his career and rightly so. But the night Tendu won his World Cup, every Pakistani critic rightly shut their mouth.

Point is, a player with an ICC trophy and the direct impact he made in getting that icc trophy will always matter more,
By this logic fakhar zaman and hafeez are better players then kholi, because kholi didn't do anything in the final while fakhar zaman and hafeez won it for us.

Their are alot of factors that a person needs to consider, not just icc tournaments. Like how good was the bowling on that particular day, how good were the playing conditions, what the mentality of the team was.

Bumrah was outshined because it just wasn't his day, he didn't get any support from his team as every bowler was getting smacked and bunrah came under constant pressure, that no ball also became problematic, bumrah had a bad day.

Similarly kholi faced a near unplayable amir that day, that inswing was literally impossible to play.

But that doesn't mean hafeez or Fakhar will be remembered more then kholi or will be considered more impactful players. Same with bumrah and hassan. Hassan Ali will be nothing more then a forgetting relic whereas bumrah will an ATG bowler.
 
bhai, discussion is Hassan vs Bumrah.

Point is Bumrah has no ICC trophy. Hassan Ali had a direct impact for Pakistan where he won an ICC trophy directly for a weaker side. He won a player of the tournament award.

Thing is, ICC trophies matter. A player with an ICC trophy will be regarded higher, and especially a player who had a direct impact in winning that for their team
Says the guy who claims Rizwan is better than Kamran Akmal
 
This is why I hate it when players are selected on the basis of a handful of PSL games... people buy into the hype, let it cloud their judgement, the player never improves and 6 years later we have the exact same player who has arguably regressed in all facets
 
Kuldeep is a proper spinner who works hard to hone his craft. Shadab spends his time playing around as a fake all rounder, trying to bat #4 in useless leagues. A cricketer entirely unserious about his craft.
 
Kuldeep is a proper spinner who works hard to hone his craft. Shadab spends his time playing around as a fake all rounder, trying to bat #4 in useless leagues. A cricketer entirely unserious about his craft.
Kuldeep has worked really hard especially after coming back from injury. Remodeled his action and bowling run up.
 
There is no comparison between them. Shadab might be a good bowler (not good considering his recent performances, looked average time pass bowler) but Kuldeep has much more to offer. Spin, flippers, and googlies are everything that a leg spinner should have, Shadab has no such quality when compared with Kuldeep.
 
No, that's a very very narrow viewpoint of thinking. A player will outperform another player on some occasions. Wasim akram has been outperformed by many lesser bowlers on multiple occasions even in icc tournaments.

That doesn't mean those lesser bowlers are superior to him. Cricket isn't a one way sport. Every player of the game even ATG's (unless your Donald brandman) will be outshined occasionally even in icc tournaments.

That doesn't mean hassan Ali is overall better then bumrah or has more impact then him. 2017 hassan Ali is good and outshined bumrah on a few occasions especially the final. That doesn't mean hassan is superior or has more of an impact or is more highly regarded. No selector (unless nepotism applies) would ever in their right mind choose 2017 prime hassan Ali over bumrah in an icc event.
In every sport, winning the team trophy mattes more than pesonal mile stone.

Hassan Ali won an ICC trophy for Pakistan. When Bumrah actually does that, than a comparison could be made.
 
So you agree that Hasan Ali is better than Ambrose, Donald, and Steyn?
The former won an ICC title on his own performance. THats the impact he had. If others had done the same maybe they would have had an icc title with them, but they dont
 
By that logic Joginder Sharma has won his country a world title, Waqar Younis hasn't.
was joginder sharma tha highest wicekt taker?

But true, Joginder did win his country a title while Waqar failed to do so.
 
The former won an ICC title on his own performance. THats the impact he had. If others had done the same maybe they would have had an icc title with them, but they dont
So you are indeed saying Hasan Ali has achieved greater things than Ambrose, Donald and Steyn?
 
In every sport, winning the team trophy mattes more than pesonal mile stone.

Hassan Ali won an ICC trophy for Pakistan. When Bumrah actually does that, than a comparison could be made.
Wait then why do you have rizwan > Kamran akmal? Or rizwan > Sarfraz? Kamran akmal and sarfraz have both won us trophies lol and rizwan has only ever contributed in playing an atrocious match losing knock during a final.
 
The commie using my exact words about rolling out the ball ( i wrote it on these pages) and not spinning the ball. They read these pages
 
Yadav has 134 first-class wickets at an average of 29.

Proper bowler, not bits and pieces.

You can tell he can take wickets through guile, skill and when the batters aren't necessarily attacking him.
 
Shadab was actually trying to spin the ball at times- the ball was coming from the side of his hand and one spun sharply but this was followed by short balls and full tosses.
 
Shadab as an all-rounder is much better. Both his fielding and catching are top notch.
 
Landing is the most important part of a leg spinner. Good one. They should be able to land almost every ball where they want to. Tendulkar had superb control over leg spin. But occasionally he would drop 1 out of 10 ball very short. Shadab 50% short 10% full toss.
 
kuldeep is proving himself as a match winner, even against Australia on a dead rubber wicket he bowled quite well, i believe he is going to be one of the highest wicket taker in this worldcup.

Whereas shadab is still trying to pitch the ball onto the trough but still throwing full tosses :D
 
No comparison really. Kuldeep is leagues ahead of Shadab. The problem is Shadab hasn't improved over the years whereas Kuldeep has improved and gotten better.
 
"To see Kuleeps evolution as a spinner and step up in this WC match has been great to watch" Shane Watson
Meanwhile, Shadab has deteriorated :(


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Kuldeep even in 2019 was better then shadab lol, comparing current 2023 kuldeep to sheddy is hilarious.

It's like trying to compare Shane warne to Usman Qadir lol. One is a world class leg spinner, the other is a master of throwing full tosses.
 
Blasphemous to compare the two.

Shadab might still bully some Sena nations or minnows but in terms of impact against top teams, Kuldeep is a level above
 
While Kuldeep is the much better bowler specially in current form, you also account for the fact that Shadab is a gun fielder probably one of the best in the world right now plus he often contributes valuable runs down the order.
 
Shadab under pressure to deliver today.

Must bowl well
Under pressure he certainly delivered a lot of full tosses and rank log hops. He also delivered a grand sum of close to zilch with the bat too.

Right now the question is who is the better batsman, Kuldeep or Shadab because with the ball there's no contest.

Shadab has been given a very long line - surely surely he must be dropped. Usama Mir can't do much worse - surely?
 
Might have been a closer run thing when the thread was made but there is no question that kuldeep is better now.

Unfortunately he can't be dropped until and unless he is removed from the VC position, which in all likelihood will be after the tournament.

Best we can hope for now is that Mir comes in for one of Ifti/Nawaz. In truth this may not even work out due to not rotating and bedding him in properly before pressure WC games.
 
I am amazed to see that PCB and alot of PCT fans do not understand the definition of an all rounder. They believe it means that a person can bat and bowl and that's it. But in reality every all rounder is classified initially as batting or bowling allrounder where they have really strong suite in one of them. Stokes, Pandya, Ravindra etc are showing us what batting all rounder means. Jadeja, Moeen Ali are considered more as bowling all rounders. Moeen gets dropped when he does not bowl well.
Shadab is a bowling all rounder and if he can not bowl he can not be in the team. His batting or fielding is not sufficient. For batting, he should be compared with other batsmen and if you think he is better batsman than other batters then play him as a batting allrounder. I personally think he should be dropped for good in this World Cup.
 
The one aspect shadab clearly is in front are the poses that he has mastered or has a natural knack for :ua
 
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