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Kyle Abbott, Rilee Rossouw [#139], David Wiese [#226] quit international cricket, sign Kolpak deals

[MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION] u r making it look like all the black players are there on merit and white players are the one at fault.if u think black players are as good or even better than whites what is the need of quota? Who is stopping the black players into the national team ? Selectors,management of sa cricket is mostly black.u r infering that white people are blocking their progress which is not the case
 
Word quota means u r getting there not by merit by by compulsion.if there are getting there on merit as u claim then what is the need of quota ?
 
Meh what has india got to do with south africa's decline?

Everyone seems to be "worried" about this impending decline. Come and win in SA then we can have a proper chat is to what caused SA to decline. All this supposition is nothing more than speculative nonsense really.
Knowledgeable posters have it sport on, the declining rand will hurt everyone more than any racial issues.
 
Everyone seems to be "worried" about this impending decline. Come and win in SA then we can have a proper chat is to what caused SA to decline. All this supposition is nothing more than speculative nonsense really.
Knowledgeable posters have it sport on, the declining rand will hurt everyone more than any racial issues.
Hasn't the rand actually gotten stronger over the past year though? A glance at the exchange rates confirms this, it's gotten much stronger againt the pound actually.
 
Everyone seems to be "worried" about this impending decline. Come and win in SA then we can have a proper chat is to what caused SA to decline. All this supposition is nothing more than speculative nonsense really.

I'm English, can I speculate about South Africas impeding decline? :root
 
Might be Abbotts last match for SA. Really unfortunate that this quota system has consumed another quality player. Oh well. As it is they have limited each franchise to five or six white players and the national team to five. Can't blame him especially with the lure of the pound.
 
Abbott's case has more to do with career instability rather than other factors IMO. All the "quota" bowlers deserve the place on merit.

Now if Rilee Russow also leaves then...
 
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Might be Abbotts last match for SA. Really unfortunate that this quota system has consumed another quality player. Oh well. As it is they have limited each franchise to five or six white players and the national team to five. Can't blame him especially with the lure of the pound.

Which bowler would you replace Abott with though if we discard the quota?
 
I agree with Soso_killer, Abott is leaving his passion to play for the country and selling his soul for money. Rabada, Vernon are a beast, Rabada I think is better than Alan Donald. This guy is fast and fearsome. People blaming JP, how about mediocre white players like Paul Harris, Johan Botha, Dippener etc were undropable once, it's because of white politics this quota was implemented and I support it, Whites trying to instil power and tried showing their superiority but Soso_Killer is the Nelson Mandela, I have a dream to bro :odoyo
 
Overall it's unfair for outsiders to comment on issues that are unique to certain culture.. it's like outsiders offering unwanted opinions on caste system in India or terrorism in Pakistan.

We should refrain unless we know what exactly is going on
 
Abbott, Rossouw exits to rock SA cricket

CAPE TOWN – Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw look certain to be lost to South African cricket.

Independent Media understands that Cricket South Africa have been in urgent discussions with both players’ representatives over the past 48 hours, to see if there is a way to reverse what would be a double hammer blow to the country.

Politics and sport are uncomfortable bedfellows, but South African cricket looks set to suffer the implications of Brexit, with fears that the employment door may be harder to break down in future. That has forced players in their prime – but on the fringes of their national team – to weigh up their options immediately.

The lure of the British pound, coupled with the uncertainty of their respective futures, looks like they have convinced two of South Africa’s most potent Protea talents across the pond. And there may be precious little that their current employers can do about it.

Unlike their rugby counterparts, cricket has strict rules about players plying their trade elsewhere. A Kolpak deal requires a player to retire from international cricket, and had been seen as an option at the end of players’ careers.

With their national contracts ending in April, both men were in a position to start negotiating their future, and Abbott is understood to have entered talks with Hampshire before his successful tour of Australia.

“It would be sad to see him leave,” Kagiso Rabada said on Wednesday evening of his Proteas pace chum Abbott.

The saddest part of the matter is that after an often tortured past in green and gold, Abbott was in the midst of his finest international hour. It seems the scars of that 2015 World Cup semi-final, as well as countless other occasions when Abbott was seen as the easy option to drop, have been the telling factor.

The news of his Hampshire offer broke on the second day of the ongoing Test, but Abbott is understood to have explained his situation to the team before then to put them in the picture. Cricket South Africa (CSA) have been urgently trying to find a way to reverse the situation, but it seems that his head was turned even before he left for Australia in November.

Abbott didn’t take the decision to be left out of the opening Test in Perth very well, and there were still significant calls for Morné Morkel to be recalled ahead of him before the Hobart Test. With South African cricket not always showing him the love he craved, and perhaps deserved, it seems that Abbott sought someone who would show him the money.

Abbott, 29, has a three-year deal on the table from county outfit Hampshire – worth over £500 000 (about R9 million) in total – with the option of a fourth year, and a national contract doesn’t quite match those numbers, even with match fees and bonuses.

Abbott, who was recently released by his IPL franchise, could also supplement his income with stints in the soon-to-be revamped T20 Challenge in South Africa, or even the Big Bash League in Australia.

The even more startling news is that of Rossouw, who has also been allegedly convinced to pack in an international career that looked to be just blossoming into its full potential, injuries notwithstanding.

South African cricket bosses would arguably be even more disappointed in the Knights batsman, perhaps, as they have stood by him through several injuries, and he had even retained his place ahead of veteran Hashim Amla in recent months – a sure sign of the faith they have in his undoubted abilities.

Both Abbott and Rossouw, 27, had spoken with beaming pride about representing their country only recently, though they had endured personal heartache along the way. But, it seems, every man and his priorities has a price.

The double loss blows a cavernous hole into the Proteas’ plans for the tour of New Zealand and England, as well as the Champions Trophy in late May, where both men were expected to play significant roles in a challenge for a major ICC trophy.

CSA are expected to respond to the double whammy at the conclusion of the second Test at Newlands, which is likely to be around lunch on Thursday.

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/cricket/proteas/abbott-rossouw-exits-to-rock-sa-cricket-7328655
 
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Big blow for SA. Abbott, Vernon and Rabada were starting to make a nice pack. They complimented each other so well.
 
Abbot should hold on yet, steyn may not come back the same bowler so he could play in the England tour. I think he could do well there.
 
Hasn't the rand actually gotten stronger over the past year though? A glance at the exchange rates confirms this, it's gotten much stronger againt the pound actually.

I think people are referring to a weakening economy.
SA's economic growth was even less than that of Kenya and Ivory Coast. Hence the insecurity around the Rand which in itself is relatively weak.
The Brexit might have had something to do with the rand performing better than the pound.
During Zuma's tenure on a year to year basis SA growth has been below that of the continent (5%? i think, don't have the data). SA have been harbouring around 2% if not lower. That doesn't inspire much confidence, so it's not surprising to see more and more SA players playing overseas.
 
I think people are referring to a weakening economy.
SA's economic growth was even less than that of Kenya and Ivory Coast. Hence the insecurity around the Rand which in itself is relatively weak.
The Brexit might have had something to do with the rand performing better than the pound.
During Zuma's tenure on a year to year basis SA growth has been below that of the continent (5%? i think, don't have the data). SA have been harbouring around 2% if not lower. That doesn't inspire much confidence, so it's not surprising to see more and more SA players playing overseas.

SA will go down the route of all the post colonial countries- a total basket case, unless something drastic changes. As someone who hated everything about APARTHEID SA, it is painful to see the legacy of Mandela being stolen by cretins like Zuma.
 
Reasons for Abott to leave South Africa and play country cricket
1. Your deserving opportunity is being denied.
2. 3 year $800,000 deal to live and play in a much more better environment.

Take it and fly away.
 
I think people are referring to a weakening economy.
SA's economic growth was even less than that of Kenya and Ivory Coast. Hence the insecurity around the Rand which in itself is relatively weak.
The Brexit might have had something to do with the rand performing better than the pound.
During Zuma's tenure on a year to year basis SA growth has been below that of the continent (5%? i think, don't have the data). SA have been harbouring around 2% if not lower. That doesn't inspire much confidence, so it's not surprising to see more and more SA players playing overseas.

What is the salary of South African international cricketers like Amla, ABD, Duminy and of FC cricketers like Davy Jacobs when he use to play ?
 
SA will go down the route of all the post colonial countries- a total basket case, unless something drastic changes. As someone who hated everything about APARTHEID SA, it is painful to see the legacy of Mandela being stolen by cretins like Zuma.

ANC power is on a massive decline. People are fed up, even my Metro (Nelson Mandela Bay) is under a different municipality the DA.
The ANC during the local government elections have lost key Cities/Metros. City of Tshwane (Pretoria), City of Johannesburg (even though they still run the City of Ekurhuleni the biggest metro in the country), Cape Town has always belonged to the opposition party the DA.

We are all looking forward to the national elections in 2019. ANC's dominance of two third majority is certainly over. Coalition government will be the new theme going forward. It's the best way for developing countries. Power needs to be distributed across the board. Abuse of power by one party is far too common.
 
What is the salary of South African international cricketers like Amla, ABD, Duminy and of FC cricketers like Davy Jacobs when he use to play ?

player salaries in SA are never discussed in public.
So i can't speculate, but I do remember an article a few years back on how inadequate our players were getting paid compared to their international counter parts. SA still had the likes of Kallis and Smith back then, all was rosy. That article did touch on how that could affect fringe players in the future.
That future is today I guess.
The T20's around the world has saved us from losing our first team players as they already have recognition. It's the fringe players and the unknowns that will slip through. (This is in itself ironic as I hate these T20's)

PS: I'm too lazy to look it up, 1:46 AM here.
 
Everyone seems to be "worried" about this impending decline. Come and win in SA then we can have a proper chat is to what caused SA to decline.

I'm ready for that chat now, since I'm English.

This is not just the fact that the ANC can't run the economy while cronies make off with a large part of it.

It's mainly that the stupid, racist "five whites" quota leaves no place for players like Kyle Abbott and Morne Morkel.

I condemned - and marched against - racism under Apartheid and I'm not going to stay silent while this racist nonsense occurs. It's a much lower scale of wrongdoing than Apartheid, but it's still wrong.

Especially when inferior non-white players like Duminy and Peterson end up with never-ending careers. While Abbott has hardly had a career either at Test level or in the World Cup, when in prime form he was dropped to accommodate a non-white player on one leg.
 
I'm ready for that chat now, since I'm English.

This is not just the fact that the ANC can't run the economy while cronies make off with a large part of it.

It's mainly that the stupid, racist "five whites" quota leaves no place for players like Kyle Abbott and Morne Morkel.

I condemned - and marched against - racism under Apartheid and I'm not going to stay silent while this racist nonsense occurs. It's a much lower scale of wrongdoing than Apartheid, but it's still wrong.

Especially when inferior non-white players like Duminy and Peterson end up with never-ending careers. While Abbott has hardly had a career either at Test level or in the World Cup, when in prime form he was dropped to accommodate a non-white player on one leg.

before I answer any of this nonsense how has Peterson and JP kept Abbot and Morkel out of the squad?
 
I'm ready for that chat now, since I'm English.

This is not just the fact that the ANC can't run the economy while cronies make off with a large part of it.

It's mainly that the stupid, racist "five whites" quota leaves no place for players like Kyle Abbott and Morne Morkel.

I condemned - and marched against - racism under Apartheid and I'm not going to stay silent while this racist nonsense occurs. It's a much lower scale of wrongdoing than Apartheid, but it's still wrong.

Especially when inferior non-white players like Duminy and Peterson end up with never-ending careers. While Abbott has hardly had a career either at Test level or in the World Cup, when in prime form he was dropped to accommodate a non-white player on one leg.

Are you seriously considering protesting for rich white people knowing that they can afford to leave whenever they please ?
 
Y'all need to stop playing the race card. Abbot and all these caucasian African players from SA & Zimbabwe chose club over country for money, they weren't patriotic or loyal to the country they represented. They don't deserve a place in the national teams cause all these guys care about is money.
 
Y'all need to stop playing the race card. Abbot and all these caucasian African players from SA & Zimbabwe chose club over country for money, they weren't patriotic or loyal to the country they represented. They don't deserve a place in the national teams cause all these guys care about is money.
This post disgusts me, playing the patriotism card.

Kyle Abbott has a Test bowling average of an amazing 21.30 - better than Rabada or Starc.

But until Dale Steyn got injured 5 Tests ago, he had played 6 Tests in 5 years as his entire career, because there wasn't room for him in the white quota.

And he was dropped for the World Cup semi final for an injured non-white player to hobble around uselessly.

So please, none of this patriotism nonsense. His race has ruined his international career.
 
This post disgusts me, playing the patriotism card.

Kyle Abbott has a Test bowling average of an amazing 21.30 - better than Rabada or Starc.

But until Dale Steyn got injured 5 Tests ago, he had played 6 Tests in 5 years as his entire career, because there wasn't room for him in the white quota.

And he was dropped for the World Cup semi final for an injured non-white player to hobble around uselessly.

So please, none of this patriotism nonsense. His race has ruined his international career.

Naah, he wasn't good enough. Chose club over country. That's it. Truth is, none of these Euro origin African players consider themselves part of the same soil. It's natural for them to shift their allegiance to England in times of trouble. I'm not saying it's a bad thing just that they aren't the saint's y'all makin' em out to be.
 
Boohoo Let's all feel bad for Abbot signing a million dollar contract in a 1st world country, poor Kyle Abbott :'(
 
As compared to Dr Rabada's son?

Rabada is more talented & younger. He'll play 100+ tests for SA. He makes it on talent with or without quotas . Meanwhile Abott is already 29 & has barely 4 yrs left.
 
Are you seriously considering protesting for rich white people knowing that they can afford to leave whenever they please ?

Rabada is more talented & younger. He'll play 100+ tests for SA. He makes it on talent with or without quotas . Meanwhile Abott is already 29 & has barely 4 yrs left.
I agree actually.

But you can't say that all whites are drowning in privilege and all non-whites are disadvantaged.

Bavuma got out of a township, but Rabada was born into greater privilege than most white cricketers.
 
Loads of time a talented youngster is selected vs a similarly talented older player. I'm sure if both Rabada & Abbot were white or both of them were not white PPers would have supported Rabada.
 
Y'all need to stop playing the race card. Abbot and all these caucasian African players from SA & Zimbabwe chose club over country for money, they weren't patriotic or loyal to the country they represented. They don't deserve a place in the national teams cause all these guys care about is money.

Abbott (one of the w/c outstanding bowlers) was instrumental in getting the Proteas into the semis at last world cup...only to be dropped the night before and replaced by injured out of form Philander. Must have been heartbreaking for him......if i were in his place i would take the money....
 
Abbott (one of the w/c outstanding bowlers) was instrumental in getting the Proteas into the semis at last world cup...only to be dropped the night before and replaced by injured out of form Philander. Must have been heartbreaking for him......if i were in his place i would take the money....

Lol so you're saying this grown man made an emotional decision cause he got his feelings hurt like 2 years ago?
 
Lol so you're saying this grown man made an emotional decision cause he got his feelings hurt like 2 years ago?

No, Kyle Abbott realised that day that his colour meant that he would never be selected on merit and only ever picked according to the form and fitness of other white players.

Cricket South Africa taught him that he would receive no loyalty from them.
 
before I answer any of this nonsense how has Peterson and JP kept Abbot and Morkel out of the squad?

Actually I agree with Junaids and this is definitely not nonsense and after reading many of your previous posts im surprised that you are defending the quota system

firstly you are right peterson and jp did not keep abbot and morkel out, it was the the 5 other white players ab, Quintin, faf, steyn, elgar combined with the quota

secondly the quota system fits neatly into the definifition of racism. history shows that every time a racist concept surfaces there is always a good reason ...this time its "Transformation". But unfortunately its still plain old ugly discrimination.

So you have yo ask yourself.....IS THIS THE BEST TEST TEAM THAT THE NATION OF SOUTH AFRICA CAN FIELD....
 
Actually I agree with Junaids and this is definitely not nonsense and after reading many of your previous posts im surprised that you are defending the quota system

firstly you are right peterson and jp did not keep abbot and morkel out, it was the the 5 other white players ab, Quintin, faf, steyn, elgar combined with the quota

secondly the quota system fits neatly into the definifition of racism. history shows that every time a racist concept surfaces there is always a good reason ...this time its "Transformation". But unfortunately its still plain old ugly discrimination.

So you have yo ask yourself.....IS THIS THE BEST TEST TEAM THAT THE NATION OF SOUTH AFRICA CAN FIELD....

actually it is a lot of nonsense. Think about it, really think about it.
He states that JP and Alviro have kept Abbott out the squad. My question remains how?
Is Abbot an opening or middle order bat. It makes zero sense for me really.

Also Rabada and Philander are superior bowlers to Morkel and Abbott. How have the quotas kept him out?
Are people still complaining about the WC?
Firstly Abbott was never a like for like replacement for Philander. Secondly Philander regained his spot back when he was available for selection. One bowler should have been dropped for Abbot as he bowled worse than a one legged crook throughout the WC. Single handedly cost SA the WC together with a half baked skipper who has never been a thinker. Delivered a nice juicy length ball for NZ to walk to the final. Imagine the fury had that been a black player, all this "understanding" about a "team" decision would have evaporated. Quality bowlers or great bowlers follow their instincts. Had Steyn played on merit and in good form he would have overruled AB and said "AB, I don't know what you're smoking mate but you're definitely high. I ain't bowling no length ball on the last ball of World Cup". That's a confident player, Steyn had non. He probably knows he didn't deserve to play that game, not ahead of Abbot

This is all ironic and inconsistent as no one ever cried when Tsotsobe was permanently dropped on top of his game in the ODI's.
Even Philander had to work his guts out to be selected for the Test squad.

SA has carried one passenger as far as the bowling unit is concerned. He's never won a single match for SA. He has never run through a batting line up, not even minnows. He has played 70+ test matches for SA.
Can you guess his name and skin colour? Only then can we engage in any meaningful debate.
 
SA has carried one passenger as far as the bowling unit is concerned. He's never won a single match for SA. He has never run through a batting line up, not even minnows. He has played 70+ test matches for SA.
Can you guess his name and skin colour? Only then can we engage in any meaningful debate.

Are you talking about Morkel

Unfortunate then

He was your best bower in 2015 WC and took 3 wickets in the semi

In Tests he has been world class at home over his career and also won SA a series in SL

Tsotsobe was a trash long format bowler but did well n ODIs. His stats are padded up a bit by playing in dead rubbers etc
 
Are you talking about Morkel

Unfortunate then

He was your best bower in 2015 WC and took 3 wickets in the semi

In Tests he has been world class at home over his career and also won SA a series in SL

Tsotsobe was a trash long format bowler but did well n ODIs. His stats are padded up a bit by playing in dead rubbers etc

Yes, Morkel.
In ODI's he's good In Tests he's a rubbish spray gun bowler who wants to be spoonfed.
Tsotsobe was a world class bowler in ODI's. Was never dropped on form but attitude. Imagine a white bowler ranked number one in the world getting dropped.
There would have been fury and all forms of racial discrimination allegations. And that "disgusts" me.
 
this racism in selection will only take sa cricket down and down and down, sad think is that world cricket will be deprived of some extraordinary talents...
 
Abbott ODI stats:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/297583.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling

Tsotsobe:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/47666.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling

It's not as if Abbott has set the world on fire. One of the main concerns the selectors had in regards to Abbott are very similar to that of Vernon Philander. And that is pace.
How can he perform on placid decks? SA already have Philander who has his limitations. You can't have a bowling attack operating in the 120's when there is absolutely nothing on the pitch.

In a way I understand why Morkel was selected ahead of him, however I believe at least in conducive conditions especially home Tests he could have played ahead of Morkel. If the Australian pitches weren't lively Morkel would have been chosen ahead of Abbott. That's the bottom line.

When Steyn is fit the selectors have two options, drop the spinner and play a four men pace prong attack. Or drop one of Rabada, Vern or Abbott.
Rabada's pace makes him invaluable to the side. Vern is a seasoned campaigner who's no mug with the bat.
And that lives Abbott out in the cold.

Race has got nothing to do with anything. We are spouting nonsense here.
 
this racism in selection will only take sa cricket down and down and down, sad think is that world cricket will be deprived of some extraordinary talents...

Th exceptional ones might migrate to England.
 
where is ICC now?? whats the use of the icc if they cant sort out this major threat to cricket??
 
Yes, Morkel.
In ODI's he's good In Tests he's a rubbish spray gun bowler who wants to be spoonfed.
Tsotsobe was a world class bowler in ODI's. Was never dropped on form but attitude. Imagine a white bowler ranked number one in the world getting dropped.
There would have been fury and all forms of racial discrimination allegations. And that "disgusts" me.

And yet you mention skin colour again.

I dont care what race, religion, gender, creed or nationality my sporting heroes are, i suspect a lot of people feel that way.
 
No one will miss guys like Morris and Abbott. One isn't that good a player and the other is nearly 30 years old. The only reason these guys are snubbing the national side is because they are not good enough to become established members of the Proteas. With Rabada, Philander, Morkel and possibly Steyn all fighting for three spots, Abbott wasn't going to do anything other than keep warming the bench.

This talent drain would only be an issue if young, talented players like de Kock and Roussow started to jump ship but that is not going to happen.
 
No, Kyle Abbott realised that day that his colour meant that he would never be selected on merit and only ever picked according to the form and fitness of other white players.

Cricket South Africa taught him that he would receive no loyalty from them.

Abbott is not a better bowler than Rabada, Philander, Morkel or Steyn. He wasn't going to be picked in any format as long as the other four were fit. That goes for any other Black pacer too. Race doesn't come into it.
 
So Rabada picks up a 5 fer . He's a gem. Will defo play 100+ tests for SA surely. Abbott won't be missed.
 
Abbott is not a better bowler than Rabada, Philander, Morkel or Steyn. He wasn't going to be picked in any format as long as the other four were fit. That goes for any other Black pacer too. Race doesn't come into it.

Race most certainly does come into it. According to Quota system 5 white players, 6 players of "colour". The stated objective is to promote "Transformation" in cricket. Consider this.... Every player of "Colour" has only 6 spots to compete for in the national side. 5 are reserved for whites.

How can this be good for Cricket?

This clumsy policy ruined South African Rugby .... practically destroyed the springbok brand....along with the sponsorships etc. My concern is that South African Cricket will be next
 
before I answer any of this nonsense how has Peterson and JP kept Abbot and Morkel out of the squad?

You know perfectly well what I mean.

The current quota numbers for the national team are

Maximum 5 whites
Minimum 6 players who are black/Coloured (mixed race)/Indian, of whom at least 2 must be black.

The only 2 black players of international quality are Bavuma and Rabada.

The only Coloured player of international quality is Philander, and only outside Asia.

The only Indian player of international quality is Amla, barely nowadays.

This means that the likes of Duminy get picked for non-merit reasons, that Maharaj is picked on pretty flimsy grounds and that Philander even got picked in India and on one leg at the World Cup.

South Africa traditionally pick four quicks, which is especially appropriate given that Philander is an excellent batsman and that De Kock is a world class batsman as well as keeper.

So the pace attack in Australia and New Zealand really should be Steyn - Philander - Rabada - Abbott.

But it can't be, because the two openers, Du Plessis, AB and De Kock consume all of the 5 white slots.

In fact, even if Steyn returns at international quality, one of the openers or AB has to be dumped to fit him into the team.

In effect, Kyle Abbott's career has been ruined because no non-white openers are good enough and the only decent non-white wicketkeeper was a matchfixer.

So you know perfectly well how quotas in other positions have ruined Abbott's career.

Why can't you just say "quotas are pretty hard on some men's careers, but are for the greater good." Instead of pretending that Kyle Abbott has been treated fairly.
 
Shocking

Yes he is in prime form recent years . He was victim of quota system in 2k15 Wc semifinal against Nz . It will hurt Sa . Rabada /philander combo was working
 
You know perfectly well what I mean.

The current quota numbers for the national team are

Maximum 5 whites
Minimum 6 players who are black/Coloured (mixed race)/Indian, of whom at least 2 must be black.

The only 2 black players of international quality are Bavuma and Rabada.

The only Coloured player of international quality is Philander, and only outside Asia.

The only Indian player of international quality is Amla, barely nowadays.

This means that the likes of Duminy get picked for non-merit reasons, that Maharaj is picked on pretty flimsy grounds and that Philander even got picked in India and on one leg at the World Cup.

South Africa traditionally pick four quicks, which is especially appropriate given that Philander is an excellent batsman and that De Kock is a world class batsman as well as keeper.

So the pace attack in Australia and New Zealand really should be Steyn - Philander - Rabada - Abbott.

But it can't be, because the two openers, Du Plessis, AB and De Kock consume all of the 5 white slots.

In fact, even if Steyn returns at international quality, one of the openers or AB has to be dumped to fit him into the team.

In effect, Kyle Abbott's career has been ruined because no non-white openers are good enough and the only decent non-white wicketkeeper was a matchfixer.

So you know perfectly well how quotas in other positions have ruined Abbott's career.

Why can't you just say "quotas are pretty hard on some men's careers, but are for the greater good." Instead of pretending that Kyle Abbott has been treated fairly.

Previouly SA had 3 pacers + Kalli. whom they were lucky to have. Even in the the recently concluded SA vs Aus series which they won, SA played 3 pacers + 1 spinner. They could have played one more coloured/black pacer in place of the spinner ( Maharaj / Shamshi ) as the 4th pacer if they wanted.

Also Maharaj avg 26 with the ball & 22 with the ball in 80 FC so he is not a hack.
 
Previouly SA had 3 pacers + Kalli. whom they were lucky to have. Even in the the recently concluded SA vs Aus series which they won, SA played 3 pacers + 1 spinner. They could have played one more coloured/black pacer in place of the spinner ( Maharaj / Shamshi ) as the 4th pacer if they wanted.

Also Maharaj avg 26 with the ball & 22 with the ball in 80 FC so he is not a hack.

South Africa has had four quicks all the way back to re-admission in 1992 (Donald, Snell, Bosch, Pringle). It pre-dates Jacques Kallis.

Maharaj is in the team now because he is better than the next best non-white quick bowler.

And those are the endless trade-offs.

"You can't have a white fast bowler or a white spinner because the only two decent openers are white, the skipper is white, AB De Villiers is white and Quinton de Kock is white".

A ludicrous irony with this is that cricket was only favoured in white English-speaking circles in South Africa originally anyway. It was not the game of the Boers.

FAF, AB and De Kock come from what was traditionally a non-cricketing ethnic group!
 
Abbott's case has more to do with career instability rather than other factors IMO. All the "quota" bowlers deserve the place on merit.

Now if Rilee Russow also leaves then...

HaHaHa

He left

not sure what the quota requirements are at Hampshire re overseas players, but they just scored two world class guns. gun bowler and gun batsman.
 
CSA TERMINATES NATIONAL CONTRACT OF ABBOTT

Thursday, 05 January 2017

CRICKET SOUTH AFRICA (CSA) announced today that the national contract of Kyle Abbott has been terminated by mutual agreement with immediate effect. This follows the recent confirmation by Abbott that he has committed to take up a Kolpak contract at the start of the forthcoming England season.

CSA is in the process of following similar process with batsman, Rilee Rossouw, who has also committed to a Kolpak contract

Neither player will henceforth be considered for any future national selection.

“Regrettably we have no option but to severe our ties with both Abbott and Rossouw as they are no longer available for South Africa,” commented CSA Chief Executive, Haroon Lorgat.

“It is a disappointing day not just for South African cricket but also for international cricket as these players have given up their opportunity to be seen in action on the international circuit.

“From CSA’s perspective it is a loss as we invest immeasurable amounts which include premium time, finance, technical, high performance coaching followed by development tours and providing general player welfare over a long period of time. By way of example, Rilee has spent a lengthy period on the injury list while we spared no expense in providing him with the best medical support.

“Both Rilee and Kyle have been given opportunities over the past year to play at the highest level and were firmly in our plans for the future. We have encouraged Rilee and Kyle to reconsider their decisions but both have indicated that they wish to take up Kolpak contracts. Whilst this is a loss for South African cricket we can only wish them well with their overseas careers.

“We will continue to invest heavily in our local talent and provide opportunities for those individuals who wish to realize their dream of playing for their country; we will not contract players who do not commit to play for South Africa,” concluded Mr. Lorgat.
 
I'm a bit nonplussed

These county deals are getting Kolpak players around £100k or so.

Do South African players make less than that. I'd say most regular Pakistanis but that mark easily
 
HaHaHa

He left

not sure what the quota requirements are at Hampshire re overseas players, but they just scored two world class guns. gun bowler and gun batsman.

Whole point of kolpak signings is they're classed as locals therefore not restricted in how many can play. Hampshire also have Fidel Edwards on a kolpak deal.
 
It was really sad to see Abbot break down in the press conference,can't say I agree with his decision to leave SA,but still wish all the best for his future.

I'm honestly even more surprised with Rossouw's decision.Wasn't he set in the LOI squads?IIRC he was the MOS in South Africa's ODI phainty of Australia.So it wasn't a matter of missing out and not getting selected.
 
You know perfectly well what I mean.

The current quota numbers for the national team are

Maximum 5 whites
Minimum 6 players who are black/Coloured (mixed race)/Indian, of whom at least 2 must be black.

The only 2 black players of international quality are Bavuma and Rabada.

The only Coloured player of international quality is Philander, and only outside Asia.

The only Indian player of international quality is Amla, barely nowadays.

This means that the likes of Duminy get picked for non-merit reasons, that Maharaj is picked on pretty flimsy grounds and that Philander even got picked in India and on one leg at the World Cup.

South Africa traditionally pick four quicks, which is especially appropriate given that Philander is an excellent batsman and that De Kock is a world class batsman as well as keeper.

So the pace attack in Australia and New Zealand really should be Steyn - Philander - Rabada - Abbott.

But it can't be, because the two openers, Du Plessis, AB and De Kock consume all of the 5 white slots.

In fact, even if Steyn returns at international quality, one of the openers or AB has to be dumped to fit him into the team.

In effect, Kyle Abbott's career has been ruined because no non-white openers are good enough and the only decent non-white wicketkeeper was a matchfixer.

So you know perfectly well how quotas in other positions have ruined Abbott's career.

Why can't you just say "quotas are pretty hard on some men's careers, but are for the greater good." Instead of pretending that Kyle Abbott has been treated fairly.

You haven't addressed my question. For a long time now SA have long abandoned the policy of playing an all seam attack, way before Abbott. It's been three quicks and a spinner plus an all rounder that went by the name of Jacques Henry Kallis. Henry retired, no one was ever gonna be good enough to replace him.
And so our pace attack looked so: Steyn, Morkel, Philander and a spinner (Tahir, Hammer, Piedt, Maharaj, Shamsi take a pick). Before the race card gets thrown a round again, I know some have memory spans of a gold fish. Remember this bowling attack: Ntini, Steyn, Morkel, Harris and Kallis.
Excluding Kallis who barely bowled 10 overs a day, we have three seamers and a spinner (who happens to be white by the way, just in case a few mental cases think it's a new phenomenon to include spinners in the starting XI. We have a long line of mediocre ones white or otherwise)

Basically it's been three seamers and a spinner without the luxury of one Mr Henry.
How did this current attack look?
Like so: Steyn, Morkel and Vern before the emegence of one Kagiso Rabada who was given LOi's to find his feet at international level. It was only when Steyn was injured did he get an opportunity. Even Abbott was selected ahead of him in Durban against England in the first Test before Steyn broke down for that series. Again further evidence of no racism, a black player was left out though he was a superior talent. From Cape Town on wards Rabada has never looked back. And to be fair Abbott didn't have a good series against England, neither did Morkel.

When every one was fit for the NZ series SA pace battery consisted of Steyn, Rabada, Vern, Morkel, and Abbott, there's a place for only three seamers. So who gets left out? Rabada or Philander?
 
Complete rubbish, Abbot has been a permanent feature in the ODI's recently. He's put his hands up in Tests as well.


Pure filth, which player of colour has unfairly left him out of the squad? Rabada? Philander?
If anything it was/has been Steyn who has kept him out in limited over internationals and hasn't merited a spot for a good while. In Tests the passenger that goes by the name of Morkel.

An article with no source or direct quotes linked can't be taken seriously anyway. Another attention seeking thread. Then again everyone wants to be famous. Congrats on your 5 minutes of fame.

Looks like you've been proven incorrect...
 
You are confusing Bosman and Brexit.

Bosman is FIFA regulations. Free transfer will stay free.

Brexit will prevent ease of movement of EU players especially those without international caps.

No he's not Bosman is a EU case involving the aforementioned Marc Bosman.

The English FA can have whatever regulations they like on who can play and not play. The bar on this is only the law of governments. Because England is/was in EU Bosman applies till then. Otherwise, the FA can have whatever eligibility they like, but if the British government curtails immigration to play sports, then many players might not be able to play.

Brexit won't directly curtail anything though.
 
There only player who can feel hard done by is Rossouw. He could have been give an opportunity in the starting XI ahead of Faf/JP when they were out of form. Unfortunately he was also inured when the latter was dropped. But he was always given opportunities when he was fit. I remember him scoring 3 ducks in a row, yet CSA persisted with him.

No player of any colour white or otherwise has been left out unfairly. No one has kicked the door domestically or through A tours. So I'm having no excuses. If it was so easy to find players of international caliber the likes of Australia wouldn't have wicket-keepers averaging in their 20's. Both England and Australia would be at the top of the rankings when taking into account the state of their economies and the migration of people from commonwealth nations who happen to love cricket. But that is not the case
 
[MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION]

I think you and I will have to agree to differ. I'm very aware of the historic wrongs which quotas are an attempt to mitigate. And while I've always been fascinated by your country, I freely accept that you understand it better than I do.

I'm planning to come to the Durban and PE Tests next year. I really want to experience the band at St George's Park. It would be lovely to catch up with you if possible.
 
I agree actually.

But you can't say that all whites are drowning in privilege and all non-whites are disadvantaged.

Bavuma got out of a township, but Rabada was born into greater privilege than most white cricketers.

Majority are. What's your point?
 
Majority are. What's your point?

That the quota system is too crude, and if anything Rabada and the wealthy whites should be in the same quota.

I wish that South Africa would stop defining its people by race.
 
Y'all need to stop playing the race card. Abbot and all these caucasian African players from SA & Zimbabwe chose club over country for money, they weren't patriotic or loyal to the country they represented. They don't deserve a place in the national teams cause all these guys care about is money.

See you can make the argument for South Africa but for a lot of the Zimbabweans it was made pretty clearly to them that they're not welcome in Zimbabwe.
 
[MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION]

I think you and I will have to agree to differ. I'm very aware of the historic wrongs which quotas are an attempt to mitigate. And while I've always been fascinated by your country, I freely accept that you understand it better than I do.

I'm planning to come to the Durban and PE Tests next year. I really want to experience the band at St George's Park. It would be lovely to catch up with you if possible.

I'm not sure if the boxing day Test will be in PE next year as it alternates between Durban and PE.
I'm also not sure what you don't agree with regarding the make of the bowling attack. Everyone including de Lange, Viljoen etc were given opportunities and all failed to impress.
The only area I can partially agree with is in the batting unit then again who has been kicking the door domestically?
If a 24 year old pops up for NZ/Aus/Eng having left SA at 18 and takes the international stage by storm then we would have to consider our policies.
For those who want to bring KP and Trott into it, when they left SA it wasn't because of opportunities. They werent good enough. KP left the country as a part time spinner, his batting wasn't anywhere good enough.
 
I'm not sure if the boxing day Test will be in PE next year as it alternates between Durban and PE.
I'm also not sure what you don't agree with regarding the make of the bowling attack. Everyone including de Lange, Viljoen etc were given opportunities and all failed to impress.
The only area I can partially agree with is in the batting unit then again who has been kicking the door domestically?
If a 24 year old pops up for NZ/Aus/Eng having left SA at 18 and takes the international stage by storm then we would have to consider our policies.
For those who want to bring KP and Trott into it, when they left SA it wasn't because of opportunities. They werent good enough. KP left the country as a part time spinner, his batting wasn't anywhere good enough.

Sorry, I mean the March 9-13 Test v Australia.

I have no issue with quotas right up to Domestic First Class level.

But I think South Africa will live to regret losing Kyle Abbott. Ironically, if Dale Steyn doesn't come back you might end up stuck with Morne Morkel!
 
Rilee and Abbott did it for money yet it's the black players that are being blamed. People like Junaids who are foreigner sthink they know better than South Africans living in the country. How nice.
Before Rabada came on the scene, Abott had Steyn, Morkel and Vern as direct competition yet apparently it's the black players fault he's leaving.
 
There only player who can feel hard done by is Rossouw. He could have been give an opportunity in the starting XI ahead of Faf/JP when they were out of form. Unfortunately he was also inured when the latter was dropped. But he was always given opportunities when he was fit. I remember him scoring 3 ducks in a row, yet CSA persisted with him.

No player of any colour white or otherwise has been left out unfairly. No one has kicked the door domestically or through A tours. So I'm having no excuses. If it was so easy to find players of international caliber the likes of Australia wouldn't have wicket-keepers averaging in their 20's. Both England and Australia would be at the top of the rankings when taking into account the state of their economies and the migration of people from commonwealth nations who happen to love cricket. But that is not the case



So if i understand you correctly, you are saying that the team was selected mostly based on merit and quota system was not a factor.

following that logic, perhaps its time to consider cricket "Transformed" , just like soccer, and drop this crazy quota system at the national level.

Objective achieved...now lets stop the rot before the proteas end up like springboks
 
That the quota system is too crude, and if anything Rabada and the wealthy whites should be in the same quota.

I wish that South Africa would stop defining its people by race.

But how would you address the socio-economic inequalities?
I'm looking foward to sitting down with you and to hear your explanation is to how you would solve the problems in SA.
This government has not handled itself in glory, i'll be the first to admit that having been a member of the ANC for over 16 years.
However the one area they have always tried their utmost best is unifying the country. Since South Africa became a democracy it was agreed that no white interests will be seized by the government on the basis that they help in rebuilding and unifying the nation. They failed to do so.
Our resources including our mines are run by the white minority, when nationalization was put to the table those mines were sold to foreigners. Our land also belongs to the minorty.

Again the government didn't want to interfere and thus came up with a "willing buyer willing seller" policy (which in itself is unconstitutional by the way). But the forces of evil in this country rendered the whole process untenable as they overvalued their land.

What does this all have to do with cricket? One might ask. Just answer my question, who owns/runs the Chinese economy? Who runs and owns the Indian economy? Who's in charge of South Africa's economy?
The answer to that question will put into perspective why SA has quota's and BEE structures in place.
Reintegration is never an easy process history also suggests so.
 
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Rilee and Abbott did it for money yet it's the black players that are being blamed. People like Junaids who are foreigner sthink they know better than South Africans living in the country. How nice.
Before Rabada came on the scene, Abott had Steyn, Morkel and Vern as direct competition yet apparently it's the black players fault he's leaving.

hahahaha when all else fails accuse the foreigner of being both ignorant and racist....really???????
 
But how would you address the socio-economic inequalities?
I'm looking foward to sitting down with you and to hear your explanation is to how you would solve the problems in SA.
This government has not handled itself in glory, i'll be the first to admit that having been a member of the ANC for over 16 years.
However the one area they have always tried their utmost best is unifying the country. Since South Africa became a democracy it was agreed that no white interests will be seized by the government on the basis that they help in rebuilding and unifying the nation. They failed to do so.
Our resources including our mines are run by the white minority, when nationalization was put to the table those mines were sold to foreigners. Our land also belongs to the minorty.

Again the government didn't want to interfere and thus came up with a "willing buyer willing seller" policy (which in itself is unconstitutional by the way). But the forces of evil in this country rendered the whole process untenable as they overvalued their land.

What does this all have to do with cricket? One might ask. Just answer my question, who owns/runs the Chinese economy? Who runs and owns the Indian economy? Who's in charge of South Africa's economy?
The answer to that question will put into perspective why SA has quota's and BEE structures in place.
Reintegration is never an easy process history also suggests so.

I agree with you,

but..

everyone knows zuptas is in charge

lol

explain that one to junaids
 
Sorry, I mean the March 9-13 Test v Australia.

I have no issue with quotas right up to Domestic First Class level.

But I think South Africa will live to regret losing Kyle Abbott. Ironically, if Dale Steyn doesn't come back you might end up stuck with Morne Morkel!

Ok that's 2018.
Yes we will miss Abbott taking into account Steyn is not fit until June (and could retire at any moment taking his recent injuries into account). I was very confident about the NZ and Eng tours. Now not so much. However I don't believe we lost Abbott for racial reasons.
Its a classic case of SA's economy not being good enough to sustain the needs of fringe players. Which is a pity. Australia at one stage had a guy like Stuart Clark on the fringes.
 
[MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION] u r making it look like all the black players are there on merit and white players are the one at fault.if u think black players are as good or even better than whites what is the need of quota? Who is stopping the black players into the national team ? Selectors,management of sa cricket is mostly black.u r infering that white people are blocking their progress which is not the case

Who's not there on merit?
 
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