Lack of express pace has devalued the PJL

[Savak]

Don't know what the PCB scouts were doing when selecting these players but it is very hard to judge batters when all they have been exposed to are 125-131 km/hr medium paced trundlers for the most part.

These same youngsters will look all at sea in international tournaments where bowlers will be clocking at 140-145 km/hr.

It is shocking that not a single youngster in the PJL has looked express in a country that has produced Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib or even the likes of Wahab, Gul, Naseem, Hasnain, Rauf, Wasim Jr, Dhani.

Surely the PCB could have laid down the criteria to the scouts i.e. only pick bowlers who are around 136 km/hr plus or even 140 km/hr plus if you want to be aggressive. I don't buy the argument that young kids at this age don't have the muscles, bones to support express pace bowling. The likes of Waqar, Shoaib, Cummins were touching 150 km/hr when they were in their teens.

 

[as-95]

Our express youngsters get fast tracked into the first team ofcourse...

Otherwise the likes of Shaheen, Hasnain and Naseem would be playing in the PJL.

We have a culture of fast tracking exciting youngsters and especially fast bowlers so the PJL gives us the option of seeing true up and comers who havent been as flashy as the fast tracked players.

Silly criticism in my opinion...

 

[Muhammad Saad]

The viewership for today's match combining all channels has been 8k , it was 300k in the first match on PJL channel alone, PJL is officially flop due to crap scouting and bundling out money to strictly average youngsters.

 

[gazza619]

Take it easy. They are young guns. They are still growing. Their muscles are still growing. Shaheen was not a 88 mph bowler when he was 17!

And i hate this obsession to find pace. Its high time we try find a Muhammad Asif or a Glen McGrath.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

It's really heart burning for me as I was looking forward for this tournament the day it was announced, the lack of views means it will unlikely to survive, I don't know why didn't they advertise the huge match fees prior to scouting, surely it would've attracted real talent , really feeling depressed after seeing 8k views on YouTube for today's match. And even more depressed seeing the appalling quality of upcoming talent.

 

[Marooned]

In a couple of years, many of them will be 90 mph.

 

[Fenrir]

I am be wrong but other countries don’t have many u19s who can bowl at 140-145 kph.Australia and South Africa may have a few due to bouncy pitches and strong physiques.It is not easy to bowl at these speeds.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

You can see from naked eye the quality of talent in this competition , only darters and trundlers and pretty looking batsmen with textbook techniques but how will they fare against real Pacers is a question only time will tell.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

No one expecting 145k Pacers in this age group, but surely early to mid 130s with a top speed of 140k , surely we could have find 3/4 such bowlers if scouted properly , and tell me there is no 17/18 year old lad in whole Pakistan who can spin the bowl apart from Arham Nawab?

 

[ethan hunt]

PCB’s crackdown on overage players has a lot to do with it. They ve made a concious effort to do background checks and stop overage players from getting picked in the new pathway system. Look at Ali Raza for example, within 3 years he will be bowling 90 mph being a genuine 15 year old right now.
They could have done a better job with the scouting but i think all of these have been a part of pcb pathways judging by the seam position and swing everyone is getting, all seem decently coached so im pretty sure very little scouting happened for this tournament. There will be more agressive talent hunting if the tournament sees a second season.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Yes all the players seems to be coached properly, all of them knows how to bowl perfect outswingers, some can bowl yorkers and inswing as well , all the batters looks technically correct, it's just the natural talent and flair is missing which is what we are renoun for.

 

[ethan hunt]

Yes all the players seems to be coached properly, all of them knows how to bowl perfect outswingers, some can bowl yorkers and inswing as well , all the batters looks technically correct, it's just the natural talent and flair is missing which is what we are renoun for.

That will come once they start scouting specifically. Currently all these guys are from the pathway set up who registered for age group teams etc.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Still unable to understand lack of spinners though.

 

[Savak]

Still unable to understand lack of spinners though.

I have seen quite a lot of spinners in this tournament, leg spinner, left arm spinners, left arm chinamen. No complaints in this regard. These spinners will get better with time and more first class experience.

However there should have been standards for pacers i.e. atleast 136-140 km/hr minimum.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

It’s an under 19 league for the love of god. Even Wahab Riaz bowled in mid 130s in his under 19 days. It takes time for bowlers to develop the kind of muscles you need to bowl at 140+.

 

[Bewal Express]

Don't know what the PCB scouts were doing when selecting these players but it is very hard to judge batters when all they have been exposed to are 125-131 km/hr medium paced trundlers for the most part.

These same youngsters will look all at sea in international tournaments where bowlers will be clocking at 140-145 km/hr.

It is shocking that not a single youngster in the PJL has looked express in a country that has produced Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib or even the likes of Wahab, Gul, Naseem, Hasnain, Rauf, Wasim Jr, Dhani.

Surely the PCB could have laid down the criteria to the scouts i.e. only pick bowlers who are around 136 km/hr plus or even 140 km/hr plus if you want to be aggressive. I don't buy the argument that young kids at this age don't have the muscles, bones to support express pace bowling. The likes of Waqar, Shoaib, Cummins were touching 150 km/hr when they were in their teens.

Unless the ages are faked, you aren't going to get the many freaks. I am surprised that you were expecting such. I have seen some excellent prospects with Ali Raza a real talent. What you are looking is fake U19s to give false hope and most of the fakes don't go anywhere

 

[Bewal Express]

I have seen quite a lot of spinners in this tournament, leg spinner, left arm spinners, left arm chinamen. No complaints in this regard. These spinners will get better with time and more first class experience.

However there should have been standards for pacers i.e. atleast 136-140 km/hr minimum.

What if they don't exist.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

It’s an under 19 league for the love of god. Even Wahab Riaz bowled in mid 130s in his under 19 days. It takes time for bowlers to develop the kind of muscles you need to bowl at 140+.

We are just asking for mid 130ks bowlers not 121-128k trundlers

 

[Bewal Express]

PCB’s crackdown on overage players has a lot to do with it. They ve made a concious effort to do background checks and stop overage players from getting picked in the new pathway system. Look at Ali Raza for example, within 3 years he will be bowling 90 mph being a genuine 15 year old right now.
They could have done a better job with the scouting but i think all of these have been a part of pcb pathways judging by the seam position and swing everyone is getting, all seem decently coached so im pretty sure very little scouting happened for this tournament. There will be more agressive talent hunting if the tournament sees a second season.

And good on them. Finally we get real young players, not fake ones that have skewed the system into investing into players that are 4 or 5 years older

 

[Bewal Express]

We are just asking for mid 130ks bowlers not 121-128k trundlers

What if they don't exist ATM? Shall we manufacture them?

 

[Kriketer]

Not hard for us to find 90 mph, even our young trundlers can be turned into express pace bowlers. What we genuinely want is another Muhammad Asif, the one in a generation bowler.

As for PJL, its a great initiative and Pakistan should continue with it. We need to stop criticising everything and need to support atleast the factors that will contribute to Pakistan cricket and one can never go wrong with young finds. Some of these young guns will eventually be part of PSL so it does pay off.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

What if they don't exist ATM? Shall we manufacture them?

Ofcourse they exist otherwise how we keep churning them year after year in U19 world cups, it's the first time it happened that we don't have a single good prospect

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

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[topspin]

Another silly thread as usual.

If you could bowl 80mph at 16 years of age, you were considered to be quick for your lack of inexperience and underdeveloped body.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

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[Bewal Express]

Ofcourse they exist otherwise how we keep churning them year after year in U19 world cups, it's the first time it happened that we don't have a single good prospect

The guys you think are U19 over the years were almost certainly over age. And if they exist, then you need go out and scout them. And BTW I am not sure what cricketing background is but anyone 80mph at 18/19 is actually quick.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Take it easy. They are young guns. They are still growing. Their muscles are still growing. Shaheen was not a 88 mph bowler when he was 17!

And i hate this obsession to find pace. Its high time we try find a Muhammad Asif or a Glen McGrath.

Yea but he wasn’t a 75mph bowler either

 

[Rana]

It’s a juniors league

Who bowls 150kmh at junior level?