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"Lakh di laanat tere Kamraan Akhmal.. You should know the history of sikhs before u open ur filthy mouth": Harbhajan Singh

cricketjoshila said:
At the very beginning of Sikhism, when it was militarized, it was said that one son from each Hindu family should join it to protect Dharma from Muslims.

A number of Sikh gurus and were murdered by Muslims.

All Sikh Gurus were Hindu Khatris.
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So does that mean that sikhs are hindus? What was the need for a new religion then?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So does that mean that sikhs are hindus? What was the need for a new religion then?
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To piggy back on your question

Why did the Hindus not just protect Dharma themselves? It seems like such a convoluted route to protect your community.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
To piggy back on your question

Why did the Hindus not just protect Dharma themselves? It seems like such a convoluted route to protect your community.
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Especially as since joshila bhai has said in his quote, All Sikh Gurus were Hindu Khatris

Khatris presumably were hindu fighting men. Although feel free to correct me on this anyone if I am mistaken.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Especially as since joshila bhai has said in his quote, All Sikh Gurus were Hindu Khatris

Khatris presumably were hindu fighting men. Although feel free to correct me on this anyone if I am mistaken.
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Hindus never had a military doctrine or force aligned to religion. Religion was separate and Administration separate.
 
Hinduism is to Sikhism what Judaism, Christianity is to Islam theology wise.

There is concrete differentiation between the two but it’s Dharmic in nature.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
So you are saying Hindus found a loophole by creating another religion to fight for them?
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Sikhs militarized on religious lines, something Hindus never did or haven't done ever. It was how the society reacted to the atrocities of the invading muslims.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Directive principles form basis of government policies.

And killing cows is religious requirement of Muslims?

Because worship and protection of cows is a religious requirement of Hindus and cow is holy for Sikhs as well.

The courts have upheld the laws banning cow slaughtering.
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What is the difference between directive principles and fundamental rights , do you know that ?
No killing cows or any animal is not requirement for any Muslim.

But this is not the issue with Muslims , this is the issue with all those who eat beef. Do not make restrict it to Muslims. Anyone , whether Hindu , Muslim , sikh , atheist etc want to eat beef , they should be able to do that.

No is forcing the Hindus who do not want to eat beef to eat that. If a practicing hindu is forced , then that is wrong , until then it should be allowed. There are many vegans who feel hurt when other animals are killed and eaten , so we will stop all non veg ?
 
Justcrazy said:
What is the difference between directive principles and fundamental rights , do you know that ?
No killing cows or any animal is not requirement for any Muslim.

But this is not the issue with Muslims , this is the issue with all those who eat beef. Do not make restrict it to Muslims. Anyone , whether Hindu , Muslim , sikh , atheist etc want to eat beef , they should be able to do that.

No is forcing the Hindus who do not want to eat beef to eat that. If a practicing hindu is forced , then that is wrong , until then it should be allowed. There are many vegans who feel hurt when other animals are killed and eaten , so we will stop all non veg ?
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I know it very well.

So if killing cows isn't a religious requirement of Muslims, why were you harping about Fundamental right to practice religion.

Import beef and eat. That's allowed. And hardly anyone makes a hue and cry about right to kill cows except Muslims. This attitude of defying laws to kill cows to insult other religions because of political patronage is coming to an end.


Vegan is a religion? Where?

Cow is a holy animal for more than 80 percent of India's population and is hence protected. Thats the law.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Will you ignore if someone made fun of Muslims?
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Every community makes fun out of others. As long we can all accept that then all is good. If Sikh's mock others then they are not exempt either. No community is.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Sikhs militarized on religious lines, something Hindus never did or haven't done ever. It was how the society reacted to the atrocities of the invading muslims.
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But you said at the beginning of sikh religion one son from each hindu family joined to fight the liberating Muslim armies. If that isn't militarising on religious lines what is it?
 
cricketjoshila said:
I know it very well.

So if killing cows isn't a religious requirement of Muslims, why were you harping about Fundamental right to practice religion.

Import beef and eat. That's allowed. And hardly anyone makes a hue and cry about right to kill cows except Muslims. This attitude of defying laws to kill cows to insult other religions because of political patronage is coming to an end.


Vegan is a religion? Where?

Cow is a holy animal for more than 80 percent of India's population and is hence protected. Thats the law.
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I am harping the right to eat whatever animal I want to. I am not forcing others to agree with me . Why should Government control what I eat ?

Eating of Beef will not be stopped in India , mark my words. Because there are more than 20 % hindus who themselves consume beef. No one has issue if you respect cow or Monkey or Boar , yes respect , or worship them , but let others eat what they want to. Why should you force your respect of animals to others.

Yes If a Muslim disrespects hindu deities or Idols , he should be punished.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
But you said at the beginning of sikh religion one son from each hindu family joined to fight the liberating Muslim armies. If that isn't militarising on religious lines what is it?
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Once sikh religion was founded and they militarized there was a call for Hindus to send one son to the Sikhs to form a militia, as Sikhs lacked numbers and Hindu religious institutions had never militarized.
 
Justcrazy said:
I am harping the right to eat whatever animal I want to. I am not forcing others to agree with me . Why should Government control what I eat ?

Eating of Beef will not be stopped in India , mark my words. Because there are more than 20 % hindus who themselves consume beef. No one has issue if you respect cow or Monkey or Boar , yes respect , or worship them , but let others eat what they want to. Why should you force your respect of animals to others.

Yes If a Muslim disrespects hindu deities or Idols , he should be punished.
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There is no such right to eat whatever animal you want to.

The laws in India ban cow slaughtering and more than 80 per cent of Indians support it.

If you want to eat beef in India, import it and eat.

More and more people will be brought before law if they violate it. Political patronage for the people who indulged in cow slaughtering is vanishing fast.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If you want to eat beef in India, import it and eat.
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Why do they export beef as you know, India is one of the largest exporters of beef. Why don't they ban the export if they have banned it for local people to eat.

Why would India allow the import of meat of their sacred cow.

BTW this thread is not about this topic so I would just not indulge in anymore irrelevant posts now
 
BouncerGuy said:
Why do they export beef as you know, India is one of the largest exporters of beef. Why don't they ban the export if they have banned it for local people to eat.

Why would India allow the import of meat of their sacred cow.

BTW this thread is not about this topic so I would just not indulge in anymore irrelevant posts now
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India exports Buffalo meat. Cow meat export is banned.

Import is import. Cow isn't being slaughtered in India. We can't control what other countries do in their territory.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Once sikh religion was founded and they militarized there was a call for Hindus to send one son to the Sikhs to form a militia, as Sikhs lacked numbers and Hindu religious institutions had never militarized.
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So what was the need to limit to one son if there was a requirement to fight against invaders? I don't really understand how the lines were drawn and for what reason.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So what was the need to limit to one son if there was a requirement to fight against invaders? I don't really understand how the lines were drawn and for what reason.
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It was arbitrary and also not all Hindus were giving sons to Sikhs, it was mostly Hindus in that region.

This practice carried on long after the Anglo Sikh wars as well among Punjabi Hindus, I have both relatives and we worship both , in our families we have Guru Nanakji Photos along with Hindu Gods, I also have second cousins who are Sikh even by practice.

Hindus did have military @cricketjoshila , Kshatriyas were that, Marathas were already using guerrilla tactics against Mughals and got better at it.

Also South India had Hindus that had armies and had managed to contain Mughals to North for long.
 
JaDed said:
It was arbitrary and also not all Hindus were giving sons to Sikhs, it was mostly Hindus in that region.

This practice carried on long after the Anglo Sikh wars as well among Punjabi Hindus, I have both relatives and we worship both , in our families we have Guru Nanakji Photos along with Hindu Gods, I also have second cousins who are Sikh even by practice.

Hindus did have military @cricketjoshila , Kshatriyas were that, Marathas were already using guerrilla tactics against Mughals and got better at it.

Also South India had Hindus that had armies and had managed to contain Mughals to North for long.
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Hindus did have military. But not a religiously indoctrinated one. The state maintained the army and it wasn't based on religion.

The Sikh Gurus and MAHARAJ Ranjit Singh ji all held Hindu gods in the highest esteem. Sikh gurus visiting hindu temples was common.

Btw there are Hindu temples which only allow Hindus to enter, but Sikhs and Jains are allowed.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Hindus did have military. But not a religiously indoctrinated one. The state maintained the army and it wasn't based on religion.

The Sikh Gurus and MAHARAJ Ranjit Singh ji all held Hindu gods in the highest esteem. Sikh gurus visiting hindu temples was common.

Btw there are Hindu temples which only allow Hindus to enter, but Sikhs and Jains are allowed.
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If Sikhs held Hindu gods in highest esteem then why did they feel the need to create a new religion?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If Sikhs held Hindu gods in highest esteem then why did they feel the need to create a new religion?
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I'm guessing joshilla will argue that religiously indoctrinated armies are more united, fearless and whipped up by religious fervour. Hinduism did not serve this purpose for some reason. I want to know why too.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If Sikhs held Hindu gods in highest esteem then why did they feel the need to create a new religion?
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Sikhism is in principle without caste(in reality nope) and and they also believe in one God, In Sikhism Ram is an avatar(of Vishnu), they believe in reincarnation karma along with Hindu Gods as one but they don’t believe in all the rituals associated with Hinduism.

Sikhism doesn’t belief in worshipping the Avatars or idol worship.

@cricketjoshila
 
Sikhism is a young religion and in practice well defined with set of rules and orders with equality.

Sikhism might have been hacked by the Jatts and honestly only reason for it getting a bad name, if not the rules are straightforward and well defined on how to live life, everyone is welcome and it serves everyone equally.

Some Sikhs do go to Hindu temples but that’s more of a cultural practice than a religious requirement.
 
JaDed said:
Sikhism is in principle without caste(in reality nope) and and they also believe in one God, In Sikhism Ram is an avatar(of Vishnu), they believe in reincarnation karma along with Hindu Gods as one but they don’t believe in all the rituals associated with Hinduism.

Sikhism doesn’t belief in worshipping the Avatars or idol worship.

@cricketjoshila
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I grew up with a couple of Sikhs at school so I do know a little bit about the broad principles but we didn't really discuss these topics much. Since the 90's revival of hindutva I am hearing a lot of new ideas such as sikhs being the fighting arm of hindus, and now hindus giving one son to sikh military divisions to get round the religious doctrines - whatever they were. I am not sure how many sikhs will agree with this version of history.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I grew up with a couple of Sikhs at school so I do know a little bit about the broad principles but we didn't really discuss these topics much. Since the 90's revival of hindutva I am hearing a lot of new ideas such as sikhs being the fighting arm of hindus, and now hindus giving one son to sikh military divisions to get round the religious doctrines - whatever they were. I am not sure how many sikhs will agree with this version of history.
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They used to agree with it before 1980s not anymore, although arranged marriages between Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs were very common before it’s not as much now but love marriages are very common.

Sikhs do think of themselves as martial race though but i find it has more to do with caste(Jatt , Khatris) than religion itself.

Guru Gobindji (10th Guru) and his father (9th Guru beheaded by Mughals) did militarise the religion but wasn’t the intention of Guru Nanakji who founded it.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I grew up with a couple of Sikhs at school so I do know a little bit about the broad principles but we didn't really discuss these topics much. Since the 90's revival of hindutva I am hearing a lot of new ideas such as sikhs being the fighting arm of hindus, and now hindus giving one son to sikh military divisions to get round the religious doctrines - whatever they were. I am not sure how many sikhs will agree with this version of history.
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You sound like Trump, "I know black people, some of my friends are black people".
How many of you guys live in Punjab, where Hindus and Sikhs respectfully go into each others places of worship without an extra thought? Temples are Gurudwaras are often seen right next to each other in residential areas and people are chill.
Maybe Next time I can upload such pics when i go to Punjab.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
You sound like Trump, "I know black people, some of my friends are black people".
How many of you guys live in Punjab, where Hindus and Sikhs respectfully go into each others places of worship without an extra thought? Temples are Gurudwaras are often seen right next to each other in residential areas and people are chill.
Maybe Next time I can upload such pics when i go to Punjab.
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So what is it you are expecting. Me to give you my personal experience of Punjab India?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So what is it you are expecting. Me to give you my personal experience of Punjab India?
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I am just saying that your understanding in this topic is limited and it would be nice and decent for you to accept that fact.
You would not appreciate it, if someone like me starts lecturing you on how it is to live a life as a Pakistani Brit, would you?
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
I am just saying that your understanding in this topic is limited and it would be nice and decent for you to accept that fact.
You would not appreciate it, if someone like me starts lecturing you on how it is to live a life as a Pakistani Brit, would you?
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I wasn't aware I was lecturing, most of my contributions have been questions to try to get an understanding.
 
Sikhs are very respectful to Hindu Temples in India it’s also because their holy places are spread across India from Maharastra to Himachal to Bihar, the aggression among Brampton and Yuba city wannabees isn’t among Indian Sikhs which is visible when Indian cricket team plays as well.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
I am relatively new and it felt like that. and your questions are quite leading sir. Reminds me of the episode of South Park where Cartman goes after Wendy.

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It's nothing like that at all, if anything might be you projecting. Quite a strange video to have associated with what I asked, but it was funny, although probably breaking some rule or other here due to the strict rules on vulgarity.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It's nothing like that at all, if anything might be you projecting. Quite a strange video to have associated with what I asked, but it was funny, although probably breaking some rule or other here due to the strict rules on vulgarity.
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Just sharing my thoughts here and not in the form of a question :)
No hard feelings. Anyway can we let this thread die down, plenty of topics where we can lock horns!
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
I am just saying that your understanding in this topic is limited and it would be nice and decent for you to accept that fact.
You would not appreciate it, if someone like me starts lecturing you on how it is to live a life as a Pakistani Brit, would you?
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When did asking questions become lecturing ? People are so insecure about their faith.
 
Sikh's are nothing. Historically they have always been bashed around no doubt about it. Firstly, the Muslim Moguls owned them and their Guru's for centuries followed by the Brits. During that period the infamous Jalianwala Bagh massacre took place when General Dyer run amok over them. Then after Independence Pak took their holiest shrines making them beg us to see them. Lets not forget Operation Blue star when the Indian army ransacked their holiest shrines much similar to what General Dyer did, again they were absolutely humiliated. It is Bollywood that has brainwashed them in to thinking they are hard men so to keep them nice and sweet as a means to pacify them to control the Khalistan movement. Sikh's saved nothing, they saved no one at all! There are about five times more Muslim's in India alone compared to the entire world Sikh population. They are the only community in the world who don't have their own country as we all know. The Sikh contribution to human civilization is absolutely zero. Today they live in Hindu majority India, Muslim Gulf or the Christian west thinking they are so great!. The Hindu's and Muslim's have contributed helluva lot more to the world then the Sikh's can even dream about.
 
cricketjoshila said:
There is no such right to eat whatever animal you want to.

The laws in India ban cow slaughtering and more than 80 per cent of Indians support it.

If you want to eat beef in India, import it and eat.

More and more people will be brought before law if they violate it. Political patronage for the people who indulged in cow slaughtering is vanishing fast.
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If tomorrow someone in India eats insects , will your RSS wax soldiers stop that person?

100 % people also support , that does not matter , what has to be looked is what exactly they are supporting.

When you import beef , does that not involve killing of cows ? What about BJP ruled states which allow beef eating ?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Kamran told Bhajji - Brother I received lakh Di lanaat every day from millions of people during my playing career. A single Lakh Di lanaat from you is nothing for me to face.
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Lol he released all his anger against India today. 77 runs from him
 
Kamran Akmal has shed light on the intense exchange he had with Harbhajan Singh following the World Championship of Legends 2024 game on Saturday.

Akmal revealed that he had previously apologized to Harbhajan for remarks made a month ago, emphasizing that his comments were never intended to offend anyone.
 
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