Legal immigration: could it be a bigger threat to British culture than the small boats?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Britain’s legal migration numbers matter more than small boats

Stop the boats! If you’ve been paying attention, you may just have noticed that this is a core priority for the government. In fact some of its members go even further. In a speech last week the immigration minister Robert Jenrick insisted that “there is no more important issue in our domestic politics than the question of who gets to come to this country and in what numbers”.

But much less attention has been paid to what is, numerically, a much bigger issue: the extraordinary growth of migration via perfectly legal routes.

Between June 2021 and June 2022 net migration hit a record 504,000 people — roughly 1.1 million long-term arrivals, set against 560,000 departures.

We don’t yet have the next set of figures, covering 2022 as a whole. But we already know, from the Home Office’s visa statistics, that the number coming in has increased to more than 1.3 million. Part of this is down to the issuing of roughly 210,000 visas under the Ukraine scheme. But the main driver is a huge post-pandemic surge in the numbers arriving to work and study, which rose from 239,000 and 435,000 in 2021 to 423,000 and 626,000 in 2022. Both are record highs, by a very long way.

What has also changed is where these arrivals are coming from. Over the past couple of years migration from the EU has been basically flat. But migration from outside it has soared. And, as Neil O’Brien pointed out before he became a Tory minister, there has been a shift within that non-EU category towards south Asia and Nigeria. Since 2019 work visas for Indians have doubled and student visas have quadrupled. India now tops the table for work visas, student visas and visitor visas.

This shift is also apparent in the job market. Since the start of 2021 the number of PAYE jobs filled by EU workers has remained flat, at 2.5 million. Yet the number filled by non-EU workers has risen from just over 2 million to almost 3 million. In London, where 37 per cent of the population now were born outside the UK, the number of payrolled employees grew by 152,000 between December 2021 and 2022. But only 40,000 of those were from the UK. A full 120,000 came from outside the EU, and the number of EU workers actually shrank by 8,000.

What does this mean for net migration? We don’t have the number of departures yet. But unless there has been a huge deviation from existing trends, my colleagues at the Centre for Policy Studies (CPS) think tank estimate that the 2022 figure will be at least 700,000, which would be more than double the pre-Brexit record. If the number leaving falls back towards the levels of the 2010s, net migration could reach a million. Even taking the Ukrainians into account, these are unprecedented numbers.

Now, you can argue, as I would, that opening our doors to Ukraine and Hong Kong was absolutely the right thing, morally and politically. That soaring numbers of international students will deliver an economic bonanza to our universities, before heading home as lifetime friends of the UK. That the crisis-stricken NHS and care system is increasingly dependent on foreign staff, not least because they don’t make such a fuss about pay rises.

But you don’t have to be Nigel Farage to see that immigration on this scale creates challenges. For one thing, it is emphatically not what voters were promised. David Cameron pledged to reduce net migration to the “tens of thousands”. The Brexit campaign promised to “take back control” amid warnings of “continued out-of-control migration”, not least from supposed Turkish accession to the EU. The Tories’ 2019 manifesto explicitly promised that “overall numbers will come down”.

Admittedly, the most notable thing about this latest surge in migration has been the public’s failure to pick up the pitchforks in response. When Farage warned that “London, Manchester and Birmingham are now all minority white cities”, Sajid Javid tweeted back: “So what?” Within Whitehall a Treasury obsessed with increasing the size of the labour force is scarcely going to turn down extra workers — though, as the Migration Advisory Committee has noted, the new arrivals tend to work in different sectors from the EU migrants they are replacing; hence the continued recruitment difficulties in many areas.

Yet there are still landmines ahead. In Jenrick’s speech, for which he was pilloried by some on the left as a latter-day Enoch Powell, he warned that excessive, uncontrolled illegal migration could erode national identity, damage social trust and community cohesion and put pressure on infrastructure and public services. The same arguments apply just as well to legal migration.

Consider the housing market. The notorious 300,000-a-year target for housebuilding in England was based on an assumption that net migration would run at 170,000 a year. As the CPS pointed out in 2021, actual migration had been far higher — to the point where we should have added 40,000 homes to the target. And if you plug in that latest figure of 504,000, you end up needing to increase the target to 430,000 new homes a year.

Now, immigration is emphatically not the cause of the housing crisis. Even without it we would still need many more homes. And even if we slashed net migration to zero overnight, we would still need to build homes for the people who have already arrived. But it is hideously difficult to persuade people to accept new housing in their village when they suspect it will all be snapped up by incomers. Indeed, I’ve seen polling showing that among those Britons who agree we have a housing crisis (the overwhelming majority), the most popular explanation is “increased immigration”.

It’s not just about housing, though. Recent polling for the CPS showed that for 27 per cent of voters immigration is one of the most important issues facing society; the figure rises to more than 40 per cent among Tory and Leave voters. Among voters as a whole 59 per cent believe immigration has been too high over the past decade, and just 9 per cent say it has been too low.

Whenever people accuse the UK of being a backward, prejudiced country, I always point to our extraordinary record of welcoming and assimilating immigration. My children and I are among the millions of Britons who wouldn’t exist without it. But, for all the focus on the boats in the Channel, it is those coming in perfectly legally who are the bigger story — and will do far more to reshape Britain.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...umbers-matter-more-than-small-boats-cztbsdhbv

I think I speak for all my fellow Brits and like minded cultural purists who feel alarmed at the threat to our culture through legal immigration due to Brexit. This is a sensitive topic which needs to be discussed thoughtfully and honestly.

 

[MenInG]

What in your view is the reason to allow immigration to the UK?

These are mine:

1. Shortage of skilled people
2. Reunite family members like old parents, children
3. People in danger in their homelands

Which of these is the one that can be stopped?

 

[Technics 1210]

This issue is not immigration per se, it is the rate of immigration.

Lack of infrastructure means more pupils per class, more patients per hospital, more cars per road, more people per bedroom.

The idea behind immigration is not to replace skilled workers to replace the dead, such that the economy, government purse, and social services including pensions are not affected in the long run.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What in your view is the reason to allow immigration to the UK?

These are mine:

1. Shortage of skilled people
2. Reunite family members like old parents, children
3. People in danger in their homelands

Which of these is the one that can be stopped?

The point of the article isn't to stop immigration per se, it is to preserve British culture, a point many of our anti-Pak posters have brought to our attention repeatedly. Otherwise what was the point of Brexit?

 

[sweep_shot]

Wiki says from 2010-2020, the population of native Dutch fell from 79% to 74%.

That's a 5% decrease in 1 decade. Not because Dutch population decreased. But because of immigration. You do not have to visit a country to know what their demographics are. You can do it from your home.

As you said, Holland is a small nation and their population is not much. It becomes even more important for them to save their culture and population from being overrun by foreigners.

Would you say the same about Indians who are migrating to other countries?

I live in Canada and a lot of the immigrants here are from China and India.

Would you be okay if white Canadians start to say their country is being overrun by foreigners (Chinese and Indians)?

You yourself are a "foreigner" who is living in United States.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Uncontrolled illegal immigration is encouraged by Left to further their globalist agenda. After all, these illegals are Lefts future vote bank when all these illegals become naturalized.

Which is why the natives are pushing back.

The short term solution is to ensure that illegal immigrants can never get citizenship neither can their descendants.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Would you say the same about Indians who are migrating to other countries?

I live in Canada and a lot of the immigrants here are from China and India.

Would you be okay if white Canadians start to say their country is being overrun by foreigners (Chinese and Indians)?

You yourself are a "foreigner" who is living in United States.

Is he a illegal immigrant? Asylum seeker? Did he arrive by a boat? He is in USA with the permission of the government of USA.

Legal immigration is usually very limited and has a lot of checks.

 

[sweep_shot]

Is he a illegal immigrant? Asylum seeker? Did he arrive by a boat? He is in USA with the permission of the government of USA.

Legal immigration is usually very limited and has a lot of checks.

Champ_Pal was referring to all immigrations (not just illegal).

I am against illegal immigration too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Champ_Pal was referring to all immigrations (not just illegal).

I am against illegal immigration too.

Illegal immigrants are many times more the legal ones these days.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Champ_Pal was referring to all immigrations (not just illegal).

I am against illegal immigration

Uncontrolled immigration is mostly illegal and asylum seekers.

Legal immigrants are all government approved.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Seeing dark people in their lands who aren't subservient bootlickers.

Why many of these dark people going to Netherlands illegally? Then begging to stay there? Enjoying the fruits of a advanced developed country that the natives created.

First they enter illegally.

Then they beg to be allowed to stay.

Then they enjoy the facilities.

Then when the natives don't want any more illegal immigrants accuse them of racism.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Pakistan to suggest ways for legal migration to EU

Foreign Minister Jalil Abbas Jilani is leaving for Brussels, the headquarters of the European Union (EU), on Sunday (today) to attend a global conference seeking a solution to end the illegal migration and suggest pathways to resolve the issue.

Thousands of Pakistanis, often uneducated and young, try their luck to enter Europe through illegal means.

They undertake dangerous journeys, which at times ends in tragedies.

Against this backdrop, Foreign Minister Jilani is expected to propose measures that encourage legal migration to Europe for the developing countries, including Pakistan.

Convened by the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, and Commissioner for Home Affairs, Ylva Johansson, the International Conference on a Global Alliance to Counter Migrant Smuggling will take place on Tuesday, in Brussels.

“Aiming to strengthen international cooperation against migrant smuggling, the conference brings together representatives from Member States, key partner countries as well as international organisations.

Commissioner for Justice, Didier Reynders, Commissioner for Neighbourhood and Enlargement, Olivier Várhelyi and Commissioner for International Partnerships, Jutta Urpilainen will also be attending,” a statement issued by the EU Home Affairs read.

Jilani will be attending a panel discussion titled ‘Alternatives to Illegal Migration as a Key Deterrent to Human Smuggling’.

Pakistan to suggest ways for legal migration to EU | The Express Tribune

FM Jilani is leaving for Brussels on Sunday to attend a conference seeking solution to end the illegal migration

tribune.com.pk

 

[Justcrazy]

The same is the issue in Australia , Canada and other countries as well , too much unregulated immigration. But I do not the Governments in these countries are serious to stop or control it.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

What if Dutch vote him with even Higher numbers next?

Europe has to take a middle road.

Uncontrolled immigration isn't good for any country or society.

Even when it’s thousands of Indians illegally crossing the US border from Mexico?

 

[I think therfore I am]

Nothing about Karma here.

Lol ok, it's called reverse passive colonisation. What do you think the primary objective of European empire building was????

If there was no European Empires the levels of immigrants would never reach this level.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even when it’s thousands of Indians illegally crossing the US border from Mexico?

Not even if it's 100s of 1000s invading Europe from North Africa and Arab lands.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol ok, it's called reverse passive colonisation. What do you think the primary objective of European empire building was????

If there was no European Empires the levels of immigrants would never reach this level.

So Europeans begged countries to let them colonise them?

These asylum seekers are able to stay in Europe because the Europeans are taking pity on them. The day Europeans decide to stop them,not one boat will reach European shores.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You’d never use the word “invading” for your own countrymen who pay Mexican gangs to help them get into the USA.

Even the Mexican’s are being out numbered at the border crossing

If any Indian is illegally migrating anywhere, catch him punish him deport him. I don't mind.

You won't find me posting in favour of such people.

While PP is full of posts supporting illegal immigrants into Europe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

CricketJoshila seem to think all Indians migrate to other countries legally and all are rich/successful.

LOL.

Is Europe suffering from illegal migration of Indians?

 

[sweep_shot]

You’d never use the word “invading” for your own countrymen who pay Mexican gangs to help them get into the USA.

Even the Mexican’s are being out numbered at the border crossing

Some of them also seem involved in crimes. Here are two examples:

15 Indian-origin men arrested in Canada for running major cargo theft ring; property worth $9 million recovered​

Reference: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst.

Toronto Police busts major racket of car thefts, arrests 119 persons including 40 of Indian origin​

Reference: https://www.punjabnewsexpress.com/w...-persons-including-40-of-indian-origin-207152.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

If any Indian is illegally migrating anywhere, catch him punish him deport him. I don't mind.

You won't find me posting in favour of such people.

While PP is full of posts supporting illegal immigrants into Europe.

No one is in favour of supporting illegal immigrants… when European countries get out of Africa and ME then we won’t see so many refugees seeking asylum in other countries.

 

[I think therfore I am]

So Europeans begged countries to let them colonise them?

These asylum seekers are able to stay in Europe because the Europeans are taking pity on them. The day Europeans decide to stop them,not one boat will reach European shores.

You melt you really take things literally. With all due respect are you on the spectrum?

The whole point of Karma is that it gets you in a ironic way.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You melt you really take things literally. With all due respect are you on the spectrum?

The whole point of Karma is that it gets you in a ironic way.

There is no Karma here.

There is a difference between waging war and conquest and begging your way in.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No one is in favour of supporting illegal immigrants… when European countries get out of Africa and ME then we won’t see so many refugees seeking asylum in other countries.

I know how much support is here for those boat loads coming from North Africa and ME.

 

[I think therfore I am]

There is no Karma here.

There is a difference between waging war and conquest and begging your way in.

Thanks for reinforcing what I stated. It's called Irony my friend.

Are you on the spectrum?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Uncontrolled immigration is mostly illegal and asylum seekers.

Legal immigrants are all government approved.

They aren't public approved. If you think local white Europeans approve of cheap Indian immigrants devaluing their jobs by working for peanuts then you don't understand the level of resentment here. Rishi and Suella leadership is on the run.

 

[anikrc1]

They aren't public approved. If you think local white Europeans approve of cheap Indian immigrants devaluing their jobs by working for peanuts then you don't understand the level of resentment here. Rishi and Suella leadership is on the run.

Any stat supporting your statement? That indian immigrants are working for less than what native British would have worked for? And your personal experience is not proof. Given that the indian origin people actually earn higher on average than almost all racial group , i think you are straight out lying.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Any stat supporting your statement? That indian immigrants are working for less than what native British would have worked for? And your personal experience is not proof. Given that the indian origin people actually earn higher on average than almost all racial group , i think you are straight out lying.

British HGV drivers are earning more than average racial groups. If Indian origin people are such hot property, makes you wonder why they would need to come here in the first place.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Which is why the natives are pushing back.

The short term solution is to ensure that illegal immigrants can never get citizenship neither can their descendants.

At least in US, per constitution if you are born here you are a citizen. So children of illegals will get citizenship.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Would you say the same about Indians who are migrating to other countries?

I live in Canada and a lot of the immigrants here are from China and India.

Would you be okay if white Canadians start to say their country is being overrun by foreigners (Chinese and Indians)?

You yourself are a "foreigner" who is living in United States.

Some already do say that. There is a lot of white flight from areas where whites are no longer the majority. However Biggest difference is Canada, like US, is a country of immigrants. Thats really the identity of the country for majority of people.

However countries in Europe already have a pre existing culture, and dont want to be a multi cultural country. Thats completely understandable they want to protect there culture. However there is also a racial aspect to it. majority of them will never consider non whites who have assimilated as natives. Like a Black Christian in France wont be seen as French, even if his family has lived there for generations, and can only speak French.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Lol ok, it's called reverse passive colonisation. What do you think the primary objective of European empire building was????

If there was no European Empires the levels of immigrants would never reach this level.

This is partly true. The first wave of immigrants that came to Europe from the colonies who were needed as millions had died in WW 2. Many could speak the language so they were a natural target.

The ones who are going now are a mixture of economic migrants (majority) and refugees. Taking refugees is one thing, however the rest of immigration should be done legally, and have a benefit for the host country. They should not have to take in people who will be a burden on society.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

No one is in favour of supporting illegal immigrants… when European countries get out of Africa and ME then we won’t see so many refugees seeking asylum in other countries.

True. Libyans and Syrians would not be in Europe if it was not western govt destabilizing there govts. Libya especially was a mistake as it was relatively rich country.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Any stat supporting your statement? That indian immigrants are working for less than what native British would have worked for? And your personal experience is not proof. Given that the indian origin people actually earn higher on average than almost all racial group , i think you are straight out lying.

Its simple supply and demand. If Indians or any other immigrants were not coming to west, then western companies would have to pay local employees more.

Indians do earn more as they are in white collar professions, however that still reduces wages. Lets say engineers make an avg of 150k per year. If companies did not have a huge supply of H1B immigrants (mostly Indians) maybe the avg engineer salary would be like 175k or 200k.

 

[anikrc1]

British HGV drivers are earning more than average racial groups. If Indian origin people are such hot property, makes you wonder why they would need to come here in the first place.

As i suspected, zero proof

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indians are one of the most prized exports to the world. India's gift to the world.

 

[I think therfore I am]

Indians are one of the most prized exports to the world. India's gift to the world.

We are very very greatful sir

 

[CricketCartoons]

We are very very greatful sir

For the natives of western countries, not other immigrants (who are naturally jealous when they see model citizens among the indian immigrants).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As i suspected, zero proof

Either produce the certificate

 

[I think therfore I am]

For the natives of western countries, not other immigrants (who are naturally jealous when they see model citizens among the indian immigrants).

Of course they are not a single Indian can do no wrong. India is Greaaaaaaattttttt

 

[FearlessRoar]

More than 500 migrants cross English Channel on Wednesday, provisional statistics show​

More than 500 migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on Wednesday, the highest number in one day so far this year.

The Home Office said in provisional statistics that 514 migrants and 10 small boats were detected crossing on 20 March.

It marks the highest number of crossings in the month of March since records began, and the highest daily figure since 2 December.

It also breaks the previous highest number of crossings this year, when 401 people crossed the Channel on 4 March.

The cumulative number of arrivals by small boats in 2024 now stands at a provisional total of 4,043, 10% higher than the same point in 2023, which saw 3,683.

In total, there were 29,437 arrivals across the whole of 2023.

It is also 25% higher than the total at the same stage in 2022, where 3,229 crossings were recorded.

One of Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's key pledges was "to stop the boats".

Mr Sunak is still looking to implement his Rwanda policy and said he wants flights deporting asylum seekers to the African country off the ground in the spring.

The bill has been delayed over concerns about whether it violates international law. In 2023, the government's attempt to launch the first deportation flight was halted as the Supreme Court ruled the policy was malicious.

It was discussed there was a risk that people sent to Rwanda could be sent back to their country of origin and have their safety jeopardized.

The House of Lords also rejected the latest version of the bill earlier on Thursday, after MPs rejected their previous amendments.

The Prime Minister's official said that the Rwanda bill is emergency legislation, and added: "The legislation is dealing with a migration emergency and we are introducing that legislation as soon as we possibly can to reduce the number of people taking the perilous journey across the Channel."

He then said it was "frustrating" the House of Lords had not passed the legislation on Wednesday night.

More than 500 migrants cross English Channel on Wednesday, provisional statistics show

The Home Office said in provisional statistics that 514 migrants and 10 small boats were detected crossing on 20 March.

news.sky.com

 

[JaDed]

Lol just read the article , yes blame the income tax paying legal immigrants.

Never though cap would be brown noser

 

[Justcrazy]

Would you say the same about Indians who are migrating to other countries?

I live in Canada and a lot of the immigrants here are from China and India.

Would you be okay if white Canadians start to say their country is being overrun by foreigners (Chinese and Indians)?

You yourself are a "foreigner" who is living in United States.

Native Canadians are not in main stream. Canada does not have much cultural background.