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Undocumented Indian migrants chart new path to US via Canada​


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In recent years, the United States has seen an unprecedented surge in undocumented migrants from India, most slipping in through Mexico. But as the U.S.-Mexico border faces growing pressure, many are turning to a less conventional path: crossing the expansive and lightly guarded border with Canada.

In fiscal year 2023, U.S. border agents encountered nearly 97,000 undocumented Indian migrants nationwide, including more than 30,000 at the northern border, according to data from the Customs and Border Patrol or CBP.

Encounters include apprehensions and expulsions. In fiscal year 2019, more than 16,000 Indian migrants were encountered nationwide, CBP data shows.

In recent months, the numbers have continued largely unabated. Between October 2023 and February 2024, nearly 14,000 Indians were encountered at the U.S.-Canada border.

The record influx is part of a migration rush through Canada that has overwhelmed border security officials and unsettled communities in northern U.S. states. CBP data show that there were nearly 190,000 encounters at the Canadian border in 2023, more than six times the number in 2021.

A spokesperson for the Indian embassy in Washington said the "extent of illegal immigration from India to the United States is unclear."

"We have been constantly engaged with the United States authorities including through dialogues such as the India- U.S. Consular Dialogue and the Homeland Security Dialogue to enhance cooperation and strengthen people to people ties and to facilitate legal mobility and migration and to check illegal immigration and human trafficking," the spokesperson said in a statement to VOA.

Indians drawn to US asylum process

The end of the COVID-19 pandemic has spawned a rise in global migration. While people migrate for different reasons, experts say many Indian migrants are drawn to the U.S. by the Biden administration's perceived openness to asylum-seekers.

"Overall, people are looking to come to the U.S. because they've heard about the asylum process here," said Chirag Patel, a Maryland-based immigration lawyer who handles Indian asylum cases.

Patel and other experts say the flow of asylum-seekers to the border will likely keep up as they anticipate potential policy changes with the November U.S. presidential election.

"People are trying to get a lot of things in before November, but also obviously before January, if November ends up being in favor of Trump," Patel said.

'From all over the globe'

Once a trickle, the flood of Indian asylum-seekers entering the country shows the changing face of unauthorized migration to the U.S.

"They're coming from all over the globe, literally all over the globe," said Muzaffar Chishti, senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute.

The rise in unauthorized Indian migration has made Indians the third-largest group of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. There were about 725,000 undocumented Indians in the U.S. in 2021, more than from any other country outside the Western Hemisphere, according to a recent Pew Research Center report.

Though many have genuine claims of persecution, experts say Indian asylum-seekers are predominantly economic migrants, drawn by the prospect of a better life in the U.S.

"Very few of these are the professionals," said Devesh Kapur, Starr Foundation professor of South Asian studies at Johns Hopkins University. "Because these youths are not very well-educated, their economic opportunities in India are pretty limited."

Most are relatively well off by Indian standards and hail from Punjab and Gujarat, two of India's more prosperous states with a long history of immigration to the United States.

"One of the mistakes we make is to think it's the poor that migrate," Kapur said. "The poor in South Asia simply cannot afford to take a flight."

But those who can often lack a legal pathway into the United States. U.S. student visas are hard to come by, and because of a massive backlog of immigration cases, an immigrant visa can take up to 20 years to secure.

That leaves the "donkey route" as the only option for many Indians anxious to reach America. The sometimes-dangerous journey across several continents, widely publicized on social media, is facilitated for a hefty fee by global human trafficking networks.

The cost of getting to the U.S. can exceed $50,000, but even a small-scale landlord in Punjab can afford it. An acre of agricultural land in the fertile state can command the same price, Kapur noted.

While Indian migrants often take the donkey route to Mexico, many find Canada a quicker and safer option, according to experts.

Political scientist Shinder Purewal said the current Canadian government's push to attract international students has made it easier for Indians to obtain visas.

"It's easier to get a visa to Canada than to Pakistan," said Purewal, who teaches at Kwantlen Polytechnic University in Surrey, British Columbia.

Until recently, Indians often moved from Canada to the U.S. when they couldn't get Canadian residency, Purewal said.

"Now, more and more people are just entering Canada so they can just go straight to the U.S. because the economy is better, job prospects are better there," Purewal said.

In a statement, Canada's immigration agency said all study permits are reviewed "holistically" to ensure applicants "respect Canada's immigration laws and regulations."

"Canada's visa policy decisions are made in an effort to support travel and people-to-people connections, while preserving the integrity of our immigration system," the agency said. "We continuously monitor the impacts of our visa policy for both visa-exempt and visa-required countries and consider objective criteria when deciding whether to lift or impose a visa requirement. And new developments would be communicated publicly."

But economic prospects are not the only reason Indian migrants choose the U.S. Support from established Indian communities in the U.S. also influence their decision.

A smuggling network recently uncovered by U.S. investigators ferried Gujarati migrants from the Canadian border to Gujarati American-owned business establishments in the Chicago area.

"People who come have a way of coming," said Pawan Dhingra, an associate provost and associate dean of the faculty at Amherst College who teaches immigration studies. "They have a connection to the country. If it was just escaping India, they could just go anywhere in the world."

Not all cross border safely

Despite its reputation for safety, crossing the Canadian border has occasionally proven fatal for Indian migrants.

In January 2022, an Indian family of four was found frozen to death in Manitoba just meters from the U.S. border. In March 2023, the bodies of eight migrants, including four Indians, were recovered from the St. Lawrence River.

Maureen Silcoff, a Canadian refugee and immigration lawyer, said the extreme risks migrants take show their dire need to flee hardship.

"People don't simply pick up and leave their homes, their communities, their families, their jobs out of a sense of wanting a thrilling adventure," Silcoff said in an interview. "People become desperate, and sometimes people are subject to very serious human rights abuses, and they try to alleviate those kinds of problems and other hardships by relocating to another country."

Source: https://www.voanews.com/a/undocumented-indian-migrants-chart-new-path-to-us-via-canada/7564143.html.
 
What's going on? LOL. Why are Indians fleeing Modi's India? I thought India was becoming an economic powerhouse.
 
Once a trickle, the flood of Indian asylum-seekers entering the country shows the changing face of unauthorized migration to the U.S.

"They're coming from all over the globe, literally all over the globe," said Muzaffar Chishti, senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute.

Not India's problem if other countries can't provide proper establishment to those Indians who left India yet their dreams were shattered upon facing reality in the country they migrated to; the reason why they HAD to opt for even bigger gambling later on. It's a vicious cycle which continues upon basic human psychological insecurities.

And unlike you, we don't laught on sad conseuqneces of people facing difficulty in life regardless of what political spectrum you are in.
 
Not India's problem if other countries can't provide proper establishment to those Indians who left India yet their dreams were shattered upon facing reality in the country they migrated to; the reason why they HAD to opt for even bigger gambling later on. It's a vicious cycle which continues upon basic human psychological insecurities.

And unlike you, we don't laught on sad conseuqneces of people facing difficulty in life regardless of what political spectrum you are in.

Your fellow Indians make fun of Bangladeshis who happen to migrate to India illegally. Where is the compassion then?

Is compassion reserved for India only?

Anyway, I am against illegal immigration no matter what the ethnicity is. I think everyone should come in legally.
 
Indians are going illegally to USA.

Bangladeshis are going illegally to India.

Some Bangladeshis illegally migrate to Europe and North America too. Not just India. Not sure what you implied there. LOL.

Are you saying Indians migrating illegally is okay but Bangladeshis migrating illegally is not okay?

Anyway, as I have mentioned before, I am against illegal immigration. The purpose of this thread is to highlight that Indians also migrate illegally (in big numbers too).
 
What's going on? LOL. Why are Indians fleeing Modi's India? I thought India was becoming an economic powerhouse.
Not fleeing. They are illegally entering USA because USA is allowing it.

Even Chinese are entering USA in thousands even though china is doing well economically than India. The illegals are provided housing, given food cards and a mobile. Many who can’t speak English are also given training and teaching. No country gives all these things to illegal immigrants.

Until borders are properly secured, most from around the world will want to live in USA.
 
Some Bangladeshis illegally migrate to Europe and North America too. Not just India. Not sure what you implied there. LOL.

Are you saying Indians migrating illegally is okay but Bangladeshis migrating illegally is not okay?

Anyway, as I have mentioned before, I am against illegal immigration. The purpose of this thread is to highlight that Indians also migrate illegally (in big numbers too).
People migrate for better opportunities and living standards.

May be illegal Bangladeshis think India is much better and offers a lot more than BD.
 
Your fellow Indians make fun of Bangladeshis who happen to migrate to India illegally. Where is the compassion then?

Is compassion reserved for India only?

Anyway, I am against illegal immigration no matter what the ethnicity is. I think everyone should come in legally.
Show me. Quote the posts.
 
People migrate for better opportunities and living standards.

May be illegal Bangladeshis think India is much better and offers a lot more than BD.

You have suddenly become such a compassionate soul since Indians are involved here. LOL.

If this was another nationality, you probably would've spewed venom.
 
You have suddenly become such a compassionate soul since Indians are involved here. LOL.

If this was another nationality, you probably would've spewed venom.
No compassion for illegals. They need to be kicked out irrespective of where they came from. Follow the rules.
 
Your fellow Indians make fun of Bangladeshis who happen to migrate to India illegally. Where is the compassion then?

Is compassion reserved for India only?

Anyway, I am against illegal immigration no matter what the ethnicity is. I think everyone should come in legally.

Why will i have any compassion for illegal Bangladeshis in India? I don't want them here.

America is similarly free to deal with these illegal immigrants in anyway they want.

Law breakers are law breakers.

But seems the present USA government wants more and more illegal immigrants.
 
People migrate for better opportunities and living standards.

May be illegal Bangladeshis think India is much better and offers a lot more than BD.

Ofcourse India is much better in terms of economic opportunity than BD.
 
Not fleeing. They are illegally entering USA because USA is allowing it.

Even Chinese are entering USA in thousands even though china is doing well economically than India. The illegals are provided housing, given food cards and a mobile. Many who can’t speak English are also given training and teaching. No country gives all these things to illegal immigrants.

Until borders are properly secured, most from around the world will want to live in USA.
How do they get such luxuries in USA? My perception of illegal immigration in the US was that they take cash in hand jobs and remain under the radar.

In the UK some exploit the asylum system and get the benefits you mention.
 
There are illegal Indian immigrants in Britain as well, pretty significant numbers. I just assumed it was the same all around the developed nations.
 
Migration is happening pretty much everywhere. I'm amazed at the sheer numbers of Americans and British who have migrated to Europe. France seems to be full of them. And it's not like France, Germany, Spain and Portugal are economically much better than the UK or the US.
India, being the home to the largest population in the world, would be expected to be amongst the largest provider and receiver of migrants. Nothing surprising about that.
 
There are illegal Indian immigrants in Britain as well, pretty significant numbers. I just assumed it was the same all around the developed nations.
There is, just like there are illegal immigrants in Britain from many other countries. However, it doesn't get highlighted much as Indians don't resort to extremism like Pakistanis or Somalians whom society looks in a condescending way. Most Indians are law abiding citizens. We have less shinning lights as below:

East London man jailed after sending night vision sniper sights to the Taliban​


An east London man has been jailed after admitting sending night vision and thermal imaging rifle scopes to the Taliban.

Muhammad Choudhary, 41, sent the equipment which could have been used to target British troops in Afghanistan in 2017 and 2018.

 
What's going on? LOL. Why are Indians fleeing Modi's India? I thought India was becoming an economic powerhouse.
It is because of increase in prosperity. The most immigrants are from prosperous states of Punjab, Gujarat and Haryana.
People from poor states migrate to propserous states, and the people from prosperous states migrate to developed nations.
 
How do they get such luxuries in USA? My perception of illegal immigration in the US was that they take cash in hand jobs and remain under the radar.

In the UK some exploit the asylum system and get the benefits you mention.
Free Motel rooms to stay, free food and a mobile to go with it. These are all luxuries for people who come from Sub-Saharan Africa and poverty stricken South American countries.

This is all part of Globalist agenda. Most Western nations are part of this plan. EU was punishing Poland for refusing to take in refugees.
 
Show me. Quote the posts.

I don't have free time to do searching for you. You can search yourself.

Indians have written hateful things (here on PP) about alleged illegal BD migrants in India. So, this thread is a response to that.
 
Free Motel rooms to stay, free food and a mobile to go with it. These are all luxuries for people who come from Sub-Saharan Africa and poverty stricken South American countries.

This is all part of Globalist agenda. Most Western nations are part of this plan. EU was punishing Poland for refusing to take in refugees.
I wasn;t aware that it was the same in US. From movies and stuff it seemed like they would have harder time than those in europe. Does the free stuff also apply to mexicans?
 
I don't have free time to do searching for you. You can search yourself.

Indians have written hateful things (here on PP) about alleged illegal BD migrants in India. So, this thread is a response to that.
So you started the thread with an ill intention by your own admission?
 
What ill-intention? These are facts. It is from an article from Voice of America. Check post #1.

If you want to see ill-intention, you should read posts from your fellow Indians.

Anyway, stick to topic of the thread.
This one, as per your own admission

Indians have written hateful things (here on PP) about alleged illegal BD migrants in India. So, this thread is a response to that.

Looks like your plan was to never discuss the OP...what are the reasons behind it or its merits. It was mostly a revenge thread by posting something negative about India just bcoz Indian posters here obliterated you in another thread with their astounding debate skills and your feelings were hurt. Unfortunately for you, you can't win against us in this thread as well as we will defend our country Bharat till the end at any cost.
 
I wasn;t aware that it was the same in US. From movies and stuff it seemed like they would have harder time than those in europe. Does the free stuff also apply to mexicans?
There are leftie Sanctuary cities like NY, SFO, Chicago, Minneapolis that allow these illegals to come in. Its not just Mexicans. Many illegals come all the way from Africa and South Asia. They cannot go there without a large network of human trafficking mafia behind it. If we think US Government and FBI does not know this, we are fools. I believe they actually fund these networks to bring in more people.
All the Leftie News Networks like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, BBC call these thousands of illegals coming through with Names like "Migrant Caravans" and "Undocumented Migrants". Fooling the gullible US citizens. Anyone who opposes this whole illegal mafia are called racist and bigots.

There are already thousands of homeless people in every US city. You just have to see the videos on Youtube again. Look for Skidrow in Los Angeles, Kensington Philadelphia, San Francisco etc. So many homeless, drug addicts who live like zombies on the streets. They openly defecate in broad day light in front of kids walking by to school. Every week the city council sends poop squads to clean up the human waste on the streets. Every year more and more homeless join the already thousands who live on streets in shabby tents. All of these issues, but the liberal left wants to take in millions of immigrants and spend money on them. US debt is close to $36 Trillion. Government cannot keep spending money this way.

In the last 2 or 3 years, Texas and Florida (Republican states) have taken illegals at the border and transported them to these Democratic sanctuary cities in chartered buses. It was all over the news for months here in US.
 
What ill-intention? These are facts. It is from an article from Voice of America. Check post #1.

If you want to see ill-intention, you should read posts from your fellow Indians.

Anyway, stick to topic of the thread.

This is what you wrote:

Indians have written hateful things (here on PP) about alleged illegal BD migrants in India. So, this thread is a response to that.

So you want to discuss the subject or you are here to spread same hateful messages that you are accusing others of?

Because by your own admission, it looks like the purpose of this thread is the latter one.

Even Pakistanis are avoiding your ill intended thread because deep down, whatever trolling one might do; but they won't laugh at plight of the people unlike what you are doing here.
 
Fastest growing economy in the world, shining India?

What's the reason for Indian immigrants running out of India faster than Bolt?
According to our great Bjp mouthpieces on here, Suppa powwa was going places?
 
Fastest growing economy in the world, shining India?

What's the reason for Indian immigrants running out of India faster than Bolt?
According to our great Bjp mouthpieces on here, Suppa powwa was going places?
Turned out to be lies in true Bollywood style. To immigrate is one thing, to give up your citizenship just exposes the myths behind India.
 
Fastest growing economy in the world, shining India?

What's the reason for Indian immigrants running out of India faster than Bolt?
According to our great Bjp mouthpieces on here, Suppa powwa was going places?

What drove last year's surge in Chinese migrants at the southern border?​



Most Pakistani posters even talk good about China and yet..so how?

Isn’t China the reason Pakistan afloat?
 
The reality is Indians will not fess up to the truth, Indians also come out with the weirdest excuse for dumping their Indian citizenship.

1. Love the parks.
2. Love the long drives.
3. Love the food.

Something a tourist would say. Reality is, India offers no opportunity, because India's economy is a facade, but not a single Indian will admit to this fact. Propping up the myth is way more important than settling down with reality.
 
Is Canada a big lie too? Coz I see Indians leaving Canada too which is the premise of this thread.(post#1)
Don't change the goalposts. That's not the premise of the thread. Canada does not pretend to be the next upcoming economic superpower etc, India does.

The worst part is you've been in the West for a few years and you believe you actually think like a Westerner. To be fair its not just you, it almost every immigrant from India.

Must be tough living without an identity.
 
Don't change the goalposts. That's not the premise of the thread. Canada does not pretend to be the next upcoming economic superpower etc, India does.

The worst part is you've been in the West dor a few years and you believe you actually think like a Westerner. To be fair its not just you, it almost every immigrant from India.

Must be tough to live without an identity.
It’s very tough.. I don’t know if i like Samosa or Pizza everyday is hell brother! :dw
 
It’s very tough.. I don’t know if i like Samosa or Pizza everyday is hell brother! :dw

It's called the samosa conundrum in sociology. Something every indian immigrant has to answer for when considering his identity.
 
This is what you wrote:



So you want to discuss the subject or you are here to spread same hateful messages that you are accusing others of?

Because by your own admission, it looks like the purpose of this thread is the latter one.

Even Pakistanis are avoiding your ill intended thread because deep down, whatever trolling one might do; but they won't laugh at plight of the people unlike what you are doing here.
Let me explain this clearly, as you tend to stray off topic in many of these discussions. He is pointing out the hypocrisy of some individuals in both the threads. :inti
 
There is, just like there are illegal immigrants in Britain from many other countries. However, it doesn't get highlighted much as Indians don't resort to extremism like Pakistanis or Somalians whom society looks in a condescending way. Most Indians are law abiding citizens. We have less shinning lights as below:

East London man jailed after sending night vision sniper sights to the Taliban​


An east London man has been jailed after admitting sending night vision and thermal imaging rifle scopes to the Taliban.

Muhammad Choudhary, 41, sent the equipment which could have been used to target British troops in Afghanistan in 2017 and 2018.


Not really sure what purpose it serves to post a story about one Muslim who got jailed for something which happened many years ago. Is this your attempt to show how unpopular Muslims are in Britain? You could use better metrics than that if you want to do that.

How would you like me to respond? Go trawling for every single misdemeanor perpetrated by a Hindu? Like the story of Shrien Dewani who murdered his wife in Africa so he could pursue a gay relationship with his African lover. Do you see how stupid this can get?
 
There it is, thread is about India, and incomes the Pakistan name drop.

See my post above regarding the same condition of many Indian posters here. Their only validation seems to come through making disparaging comments about Pakistan. How many first world countries need such a low yardstick to measure their own success? I think this says a lot.
 
Not really sure what purpose it serves to post a story about one Muslim who got jailed for something which happened many years ago. Is this your attempt to show how unpopular Muslims are in Britain? You could use better metrics than that if you want to do that.

How would you like me to respond? Go trawling for every single misdemeanor perpetrated by a Hindu? Like the story of Shrien Dewani who murdered his wife in Africa so he could pursue a gay relationship with his African lover. Do you see how stupid this can get?

That incident I posted happen last week, not many years ago. By incident, I meant he jailed last week.
 
That's what they do. They deflect or shift the goal post when they don't like something.

As per your own admission you created this thread as a revenge bcoz Indians said bad things abt Bangladesh in another thread. You never had any intention to discuss the OP seriously.

Nevertheless, I give you benefit of doubt. Pls ask me what you want to discuss and I will answer you.
 
That incident I posted happen last week, not many years ago. By incident, I meant he jailed last week.

Yes but the incident happened a good few years ago. And it was one incident, so you must have went trawing through google news to find an incident to suit your Islamophobic narrative. I don't have any issue with that, if you want to post negative stories about Muslims in Britain, fine go ahead. Perhaps you have good reason. But don't use individual stories dredged from google searches to do it, otherwise I can do the same re individual hindus as per example of Shrien Dewani. Stick to the topic.
 
The incidents about Shinning lights like Pakistanis causing nuicence in Britain is daily occurence. One need not google much to find about it.

Also, my response was very much related to OP. All I said was, like many other countries India also has fair share of illegal immigrants in Britain or western world. However, chances of any of those illegal immigrants becoming national threats like someone from Pakistan or Somalia would is slim.

Are you clear or you want me to elaborate more?

#RajdeepSpeaks

How is an offence committed by a Pakistani (assuming he is a Pakistani) committed the best part of a decade ago related to the topic of illegal Indian immigrants in the USA?
 
There won't be an end to it. Immigration into the West will continue for the foreseeable future.

If these countries really wanted to control it, they would have years ago .
 
This is just the reality. No matter what the US is still the land of dreams and opportunity for a lot of people, even some in the western world. I am not surprised at all. India is the most populous nation in the world and there is still competition for resources and decent living and education.
 
How is an offence committed by a Pakistani (assuming he is a Pakistani) committed the best part of a decade ago related to the topic of illegal Indian immigrants in the USA?

You said not only in USA but Indian illegal immigration issue is in Britain as well.

I concur with you but highlighted the fact that no only India but there are illegal immigrants in Britain from other countries as well.

However, the majority of illegal immigrants from India don't take extremist path like an illegal immigrant from Pakistan or Somalia and cited an example.

Don't act all surprised.
 
You said not only in USA but Indian illegal immigration issue is in Britain as well.

I concur with you but highlighted the fact that no only India but there are illegal immigrants in Britain from other countries as well.

However, the majority of illegal immigrants from India don't take extremist path like an illegal immigrant from Pakistan or Somalia and cited an example.

Don't act all surprised.

But I didn't dredge up stories from the best part of a decade ago about ONE man - presumably Pakistani - to make an entirely unrelated point about...well I don't really know about what. Maybe you should just have started another thread.
 
There won't be an end to it. Immigration into the West will continue for the foreseeable future.

If these countries really wanted to control it, they would have years ago .
Its all part of global agenda. Western powers know everything. But they are doing it on purpose.
 
But I didn't dredge up stories from the best part of a decade ago about ONE man - presumably Pakistani - to make an entirely unrelated point about...well I don't really know about what. Maybe you should just have started another thread.

1) That story was highlighted last week when his crime came into public limelight after he was jailed. So decade old excuse doesn't fly.

2) The context of highlighting this offence was to show the extremist path illegal immigrants from certain countries take which Indians don't.

3) This thread is about illegal immigrants and my post is absolutely valid. Why should I open a new thread. Looks like you thought you will sneak in Britain into this conversation and now getting upset when I am giving it back.

Rajdeep.
 
1) That story was highlighted last week when his crime came into public limelight after he was jailed. So decade old excuse doesn't fly.

2) The context of highlighting this offence was to show the extremist path illegal immigrants from certain countries take which Indians don't.

3) This thread is about illegal immigrants and my post is absolutely valid. Why should I open a new thread. Looks like you thought you will sneak in Britain into this conversation and now getting upset when I am giving it back.

Rajdeep.

The story wasn't highlighted last week. You highlighted it by posting it here otherwise it was just a sentence passed on an incident from almost a decade ago Rajdeep.

Now Rajdeep, finding a story about a single incident doesn't really prove anything, as I already told you that if we were to take single incidents of representative of a community, what would that tell us about Hindus if we took Shrien Dewani - the man who killed his wife so he could pursue his gay relationship with an African? :unsure:

Rajdeep?
 
Until US starts arresting and deporting all illegal Indians entering their country, this will continue for the foreseeable future.

The fact is, they are letting these illegal Indians inside their country and giving them accommodation and food stamps. Basically free stuff. Its not just Indians. South Americans, Africans, Caribbean Islanders etc all will keep showing at the border everyday in thousands. Everyone has a sob story to tell.
 
The story wasn't highlighted last week. You highlighted it by posting it here otherwise it was just a sentence passed on an incident from almost a decade ago Rajdeep.

Now Rajdeep, finding a story about a single incident doesn't really prove anything, as I already told you that if we were to take single incidents of representative of a community, what would that tell us about Hindus if we took Shrien Dewani - the man who killed his wife so he could pursue his gay relationship with an African? :unsure:

Rajdeep?

Indians, not Hindus. Looks like you are mixing religion like you mostly do where as OP is clearly talking about Indians. There are people of all religion lives in India and I suppose illegal immigrants from India also has people from across religions, unless you validated all of them are Hindus.

Indians, in general, known as peace loving and law abiding citizens in UK. That is why the illegal immigrants from countries like India or Brazil don't get highlighted that much as from countries like Pakistan, Somalia, South Sudan etc. I am purely talking about UK since I live here and know the ground realities. Can't comment much about US though.
 
Indians, not Hindus. Looks like you are mixing religion like you mostly do where as OP is clearly talking about Indians. There are people of all religion lives in India and I suppose illegal immigrants from India also has people from across religions, unless you validated all of them are Hindus.

Indians, in general, known as peace loving and law abiding citizens in UK. That is why the illegal immigrants from countries like India or Brazil don't get highlighted that much as from countries like Pakistan, Somalia, South Sudan etc. I am purely talking about UK since I live here and know the ground realities. Can't comment much about US though.

But you were using a story about one person to make some sort of generalisation about Pakistanis in Britain, so I used an example of Dewani who just happened to be Hindu, to show that using a sample size of a single person is not helpful.

The story was about US illegal immigration from India though so maybe you should have a think about that and offer some comments and linked stories related.
 
But you were using a story about one person to make some sort of generalisation about Pakistanis in Britain, so I used an example of Dewani who just happened to be Hindu, to show that using a sample size of a single person is not helpful.

The story was about US illegal immigration from India though so maybe you should have a think about that and offer some comments and linked stories related.

You brought the Britain into this discussion and hence my response. As I said, you try to pretend a lot when you clearly understand everything.

Agreed this thread is about USA so lets stick to the topic. Then again not much to discuss as OP himself claimed it is a revenge thread for him to go after Indians. Still I want to give him benefit of doubt and willing to answer all his questions but he never engages with me. How about you? Do you want to know anything specific about Indians illegal immigration to USA? You can ask me and I will be more than Happy to answer.

:kp
 
You brought the Britain into this discussion and hence my response. As I said, you try to pretend a lot when you clearly understand everything.

Agreed this thread is about USA so lets stick to the topic. Then again not much to discuss as OP himself claimed it is a revenge thread for him to go after Indians. Still I want to give him benefit of doubt and willing to answer all his questions but he never engages with me. How about you? Do you want to know anything specific about Indians illegal immigration to USA? You can ask me and I will be more than Happy to answer.

:kp

I merely agreed that there was also a lot of illegal immigrants in Britain from India as well, not sure why that single offhand comment caused you to go scouring google for something negative to post about a Pakistani (presumably). If you have some issues with the OP I would suggest you direct them to him.

No I don't want to know anything specific about illegal Indian immigrants to the US, like I said I only made a passing comment about the UK situation re immigration. Not really a massive deal.
 

Why are Indians migrating illegally to USA in such big numbers? I thought India was becoming a powerhouse.

@Technics 1210 @offstump @KingKhanWC, check this out.
😂 10 Indians illegally enter the U.S. every hour and then try to get into Canada after that even though Canada deported their ambassadors and have essentially cut off diplomatic relations with India due to their sponsoring of terrorism on foreign soil. I can only attribute this to some form of Sanatana Dharma which I do not yet understand.
 

Why are Indians migrating illegally to USA in such big numbers? I thought India was becoming a powerhouse.

@Technics 1210 @offstump @KingKhanWC, check this out.
I feel Indians will migrate anywhere to a white country as long as they are not in 'Incredible' India. It's like the mothership calling!

UK, Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, and of course Europe, where millions of Indians enter on a Schengen visa, in hope of crossing the English channel, but greeted by their colonial masters.

Desperation knows no bounds! They even lose their Indian citizenship, by choice.

Stripped off their citizenship, stripped of their country, and stripped off their identity.
 
😂 10 Indians illegally enter the U.S. every hour and then try to get into Canada after that even though Canada deported their ambassadors and have essentially cut off diplomatic relations with India due to their sponsoring of terrorism on foreign soil. I can only attribute this to some form of Sanatana Dharma which I do not yet understand.
You don't understand? Hindus themselves do not understand the faith they allegedly align to! So what chance have the rest got?
 
😂 10 Indians illegally enter the U.S. every hour and then try to get into Canada after that even though Canada deported their ambassadors and have essentially cut off diplomatic relations with India due to their sponsoring of terrorism on foreign soil. I can only attribute this to some form of Sanatana Dharma which I do not yet understand.

There's no need to mock the Indians when our own countrymen are begging and theiving in foreign lands be it in Canada or Saudi. It has become so bad that Saudi has now mandated Pakistanis to submit and affidavit that they will not beg before they are allowed travel in. Many gulf countries have banned Pakistanis to even get the visas.

https://propakistani.pk/2024/11/22/...davit-that-they-will-not-beg-in-saudi-arabia/
 
There's no need to mock the Indians when our own countrymen are begging and theiving in foreign lands be it in Canada or Saudi. It has become so bad that Saudi has now mandated Pakistanis to submit and affidavit that they will not beg before they are allowed travel in. Many gulf countries have banned Pakistanis to even get the visas.

https://propakistani.pk/2024/11/22/...davit-that-they-will-not-beg-in-saudi-arabia/

Pakistanis aren't claiming economic superpower status though. If anything they are hypercritical and you yourself are a good example of this.
 
Pakistanis aren't claiming economic superpower status though. If anything they are hypercritical and you yourself are a good example of this.
You will find a fair share if chest thumping Pakistanis too that believe in the false narratives of Pakistan being some kind of a global power.
India has a large population and plagued with the same issues of poverty and corruption. They are no better or worse than Pakistan and when you are surrounded by so many issues, the only satisfaction you will get is by picking up internet wars where you can highlight your country’s success. In the case of India though, at least they are not begging in foreign countries.
 
Pakistanis aren't claiming economic superpower status though. If anything they are hypercritical and you yourself are a good example of this.
In all of human history, India is the first example where a booming economy has resulted in its citizens fleeing their country for a better life.

You cannot make it up.
 
In all of human history, India is the first example where a booming economy has resulted in its citizens fleeing their country for a better life.

You cannot make it up.
You will be surprised how many Canadians leave Canada each year for better pastures. If you extrapolate that number to the ratio of the Indian population, they are about the same in proportion
 
You will find a fair share if chest thumping Pakistanis too that believe in the false narratives of Pakistan being some kind of a global power.
India has a large population and plagued with the same issues of poverty and corruption. They are no better or worse than Pakistan and when you are surrounded by so many issues, the only satisfaction you will get is by picking up internet wars where you can highlight your country’s success. In the case of India though, at least they are not begging in foreign countries.
No! your claim won’t hold up.
 
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You will be surprised how many Canadians leave Canada each year for better pastures. If you extrapolate that number to the ratio of the Indian population, they are about the same in proportion
In fact more Canadians are leaving Canada than Indians. If you compare the migration rate, India’s is about -0.329 per 1,000 translates to about 460,000 individuals emigrating annually which about
Approximately 0.033% annually. Canada’s migration rate is 1% annually. Source referenced below



 
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