That’s a bad argument. Most people have a bias against Indians and bring up topics that show Indians in a negative light. It’s human nature to get defensive when being attacked. Indians suffer from insecurities same as the Pakistanis.
The biggest difference is, Bangladeshis are escaping poverty but for Indians, it's a status thing which is kind of wierd.
Its all about population. India will lead the stats in every department due to the sheer number of people living there.
With Gujjus, one guy goes there, starts a business and then imports his entire family and extended family there by all means(legal or illegal). They all work in that business day and night.
Do Canadians claim their country is the next superpower? Do Canadians claim the economy is the fastest growing? Do Canadians claim their country has more money than most? Do Canadians claim their PM is the greatest in the world and the most respected? Do Canadians count the number of billionaires and boast about it?
You have never met the Indian diaspora in the US it seems. there has been uptick in the illegal border crossing from the Canadian border. What kind of poverty are they escaping from in Canada?
You being in North America for 20 years is no excuse for ignorance. There are many stories, if you do a quick search, of well off Indian families crossing the Canadian border from Canada and freezing to death. What was their motive for crossing the border? If you think people don't migrate for Status, you are just being ignorant.
I was brought up in Canada and unlike you, I don't live in a bubble. If you just want to pick on Indians, be my guest but don't think the world sees Pakistanis any differently.
We know how it works. In the adverts, in the documentaries, in the magazine, on the websites, in the propaganda (state and media level) - pictures of India just from specific angles.
So true! Must be from a career at the call center - in India!
There's something called assimilation. Not everyone wants to bring their backwards culture to the country where they plan to spend the rest of their life. Many Pakistanis also change their Muslim names to more white sounding names. It's not necessarily a bad thing specially if you want to work and be successful in an environment that stereotypes your culture as backwards.
You know what is really sad? Indians thinking their non-Indian citizen Amreekan CEO of the top IT companies is a sign of Indian intellect and progress.
That’s not assimilation.
Stop using ChatGPT and maybe I will take you more seriously. There are low-intellect individuals in every culture and society and the education standards in India coupled with sheer population numbers mean you will see more of them online. Indians have been victim of racism for many many years which is why they have underlying insecurities which are manifested in the form of troll comments and nationalistic sentiments which provide them a false sense of pride to compensate for their insecurities. Indians are frustrated and they need an outlet to let out the steam and Muslims often become an easy target.
This is true in some parts of Canada.
Why is it wrong to want to change your identity? You don't have control over where you are born and some people don't like their inherent identity. Indians/Pakistanis get embarrassed when someone points out the negative stereotypes about their country and they would modify their identity so to not get lumped in with the same group of people. More so Indians than Pakistanis
I cannot believe what I am reading.
Exactly, thanks for re-affirming my point, again.
Identity is not just race or nationality. Identity can comprise of many things that include religion, language, personal beliefs, values, traditions, and even individual experiences that shape how one perceives themselves and interacts with the world. While you may not be able to change some aspects of your identity but you can definitely strive to become a different person and adapt to the cultural norms of the scoeity you want to be part of. Nothing wrong with that.
Also, it’s ironic how many Canadians are aggravated by Indian migrants, not because they are trying to be white, but because they are unwilling to change their cultural norms which are considered very problematic. For example, the Diwali festival has become a big nuisance, and issues like this have fueled anti-immigrant sentiments across Canada.
Lol you must be referring to Indian scammers. I have never heard of an Indian use a white name to identify himself at a legit job.
Sure change your language, religion, caste, beliefs, traditions - but these change who you are, you cannot change what you are (identity).
No one outside of India takes the "Superpower" status seriously. Indians are very good at PR and diversion tactics and will have you believe they are as big and powerful as China but the reality is far from that. I think Indians are also waking up to this fact they have been fed lies by their national leaders and the string natiolist sentiments have somewhat subsided in recent times as per my observation online. It will take many decades for India to get up to the Standars of 2024 China even if they start now by focusing on real issues rather than distracting themselves with hatred toward their neighbors and Muslims.
Your last sentence goes to show how ignorant you are about the world which is ok but saying Canada has no cultural identity is like saying Britain has no history or traditions.
It has to be a wind up. Has to be.
Don't change the subject.
Would you say the same about Norway or Denmark? I would rather live in a country where my rights are protected and I have my peace of mind than live in a "global super power" nation with hateful politically polarized Americans.
GDP?
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Not changing the subject and my comment is very relevant. I can't help you if you have comprehension issues.
I don't think you have a peace of mind, I think you are trying to distance yourself from your ethnicity.
Your comment is not relevant. It reek of insecurity and ignorance.
So now you are Pakistani with no identity crisis, and have been visiting places with Indians, celebrating Diwali what not. . .
Immigrants of post WW2 were on a different level. These guys did work hard, did contribute, and did face cultural differences, but they survived, and well respected.
Typical answer.
London bomberss, 911 attackers, grooming gangs are all Hindutva bhakts too right?
We've just sacked 300 Indian staff based in India, and replaced with them 10 British born, bred, and based engineers who cost much less but have 10000% output and quality. Worth every penny.
Money in the treasury isn't money, it's foreign reserves. Used when the INR weakens. For this reason there is next to no new found money in the common man's pocket in India. This is why standard of living have not improved. Sanitation is a good example, 70% without a toilet, and why India has to fudge the numbers (And have been caught doing so).
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What are your views on Pakistanis that come to the UK for better opportunities and don’t speak English with a perfect “British” accent. How do you feel about them getting those jobs when there skill level is comparative to the Indian IT workers who according to you follow a script and can’t think outside the box? And btw I know exactly what you’re talking about and I do agree with that statement being a company owner myself and having the experience of hiring offshore teams.We've just sacked 300 Indian staff based in India, and replaced with them 10 British born, bred, and based engineers who cost much less but have 10000% output and quality. Worth every penny.
Our enterprise customers complained of Indian attitudes, language barriers, and the inability for Indian engineers to think outside the script. Now? Same end customers rejoice when they hear a British accent.
Our HR department are instructed to find talent at home first rather than cheap India because in the end you get what you pay for. Even if an Indian gets to the top of their pile, their passport and visa status is checked through via the British government. Not a single Indian passes the nesscary security checks for site visits.
Most of the brain drain from India is false anyway. There is no brain drain when the certifications, qualifications, and experience are all lies. So many Indians caught with fake certs. Fake Doctors, fake IT engineers etc. Indian brain drain is synonymous for fraud.
That's not all, Infosys just lost a massive contract - woo hoo! 4 more calls centres (UK companies) have also moved their call centres back to the UK.
There is also a security risk. More Indians are caught in cyber fraud than any other nation. Phishing, impersonation, selling personal data etc.
IT is where Indians made their entrance, and IT is now where they exit.
When the homies and the blud-clut say no to Indian employees, then our job is just to sit back and watch the show!
I love how the US seem puzzled by the influx of illegal Indians. There is no puzzle, India is one big lie.Why Indians are risking it all to chase the American Dream
In October, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) sent a chartered flight carrying Indian nationals back home, marking a growing trend in deportations to India.
This was no ordinary flight - it was one of multiple large-scale “removal flights” carried out this year, each typically carrying more than 100 passengers. The flights were returning groups of Indian migrants who "did not establish a legal basis to remain in the US".
According to US officials, the latest flight carrying adult men and women was routed to Punjab, close to many deportees' places of origin. No precise breakdown of hometowns was provided.
In the US fiscal year 2024 which ended in September, more than 1,000 Indian nationals had been repatriated by charter and commercial flights, according to Royce Bernstein Murray, assistant secretary at the US Department of Homeland Security.
“That has been part of a steady increase in removals from the US of Indian nationals over the past few years, which corresponds with a general increase in encounters that we have seen with Indian nationals in the last few years as well,” Ms Murray told a media briefing. (Encounters refer to instances where non-citizens are stopped by US authorities while attempting to cross the country’s borders with Mexico or Canada.)
As the US ramps up repatriations of Indian nationals, concerns grow about how President-elect Donald Trump's immigration policies will affect them. Trump has already promised the biggest deportation of migrants in history.
Since October 2020, US Customs and Border Protection (CPB) officials have detained nearly 170,000 Indian migrants attempting unauthorised crossings at both the northern and southern land borders.
“Though smaller than the numbers from Latin America and the Caribbean, Indian nationals represent the largest group of migrants from outside the Western Hemisphere encountered by the CPB in the past four years,” say Gil Guerra and Sneha Puri, immigration analysts at Niskanen Center, a Washington-based think tank.
As of 2022, an estimated 725,000 undocumented Indian immigrants were in the US, making them the third-largest group after those from Mexico and El Salvador, according to new data from the Pew Research Center. Unauthorised immigrants in all make up 3% of US’s total population and 22% of the foreign-born population.
Looking at the data, Mr Guerra and Ms Puri have identified notable trends in the spike in Indians attempting illegal border crossings.
For one, the migrants are not from the lowest economic strata. But they cannot secure tourist or student visas to the US, often due to lower education or English proficiency.
Instead, they rely on agencies charging up to $100,000 (£79,000), sometimes using long and arduous routes designed to dodge border controls. To afford this, many sell farms or take out loans. Not surprisingly, data from the US immigration courts in 2024 reveals that the majority of Indian migrants were male, aged 18-34.
Second, Canada on the northern border has become a more accessible entry point for Indians, with a visitor visa processing time of 76 days (compared to up to a year for a US visa in India).
The Swanton Sector - covering the states of Vermont and counties in New York and New Hampshire - has experienced a sudden surge in encounters with Indian nationals since early this year, peaking at 2,715 in June, the researchers found.
Earlier, most irregular Indian migrants entered the Americas through the busier southern border with Mexico via El Salvador or Nicaragua, both of which facilitated migration. Until November last year, Indian nationals enjoyed visa-free travel to El Salvador.
“The US-Canada border is also longer and less guarded than the US-Mexico border. And while it is not necessarily safer, criminal groups do not have the same presence there as they do along the route from South and Central America,” Mr Guerra and Ms Puri say.
Thirdly, much of the migration appears to originate from the Sikh-dominated Indian state of Punjab and neighbouring Haryana, which has traditionally seen people migrating overseas. The other source of origin is Gujarat, the home state of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Punjab, which accounts for a large share of irregular Indian migrants, is facing economic hardships, including high unemployment, farming distress and a looming drug crisis.
Migration has also long been common among Punjabis, with rural youth still eager to move abroad.
A recent study of 120 respondents in Punjab by Navjot Kaur, Gaganpreet Kaur and Lavjit Kaur found that 56% emigrated between ages 18-28, often after secondary education. Many funded their move through non-institutional loans, later sending remittances to their families.
Then there has been a rise in tensions over the separatist Khalistan movement, which seeks to establish an independent homeland for Sikhs. “This has caused fear from some Sikhs in India about being unfairly targeted by authorities or politicians. These fears may also provide a credible basis for claims of persecution that allows them to seek asylum, whether or not true,” says Ms Puri.
But pinning down the exact triggers for migration is challenging.
“While motivations vary, economic opportunity remains the primary driver, reinforced by social networks and a sense of pride in having family members 'settled' in the US,” says Ms Puri.
Fourth, researchers found a shift in the family demographics of Indian nationals at the borders.
More families are trying to cross the border. In 2021, single adults were overwhelmingly detained at both borders. Now, family units make up 16-18% of the detentions at both borders.
This has sometimes led to tragic consequences. In January 2022, an Indian family of four - part of a group of 11 people from Gujarat - froze to death just 12m (39ft) from the border in Canada while attempting to enter the US.
Pablo Bose, a migration and urban studies scholar at the University of Vermont, says Indians are trying to cross into the US in larger numbers because of more economic opportunities and “more ability to enter the informal economies in the US cities”, especially the large ones like New York or Boston.
“From everything I know and interviews I have conducted, most of the Indians are not staying in the more rural locations like Vermont or upstate New York but rather heading to the cities as soon as they can,” Mr Bose told the BBC. There, he says, they are entering mostly informal jobs like domestic labour and restaurant work.
Things are likely to become more difficult soon. Veteran immigration official Tom Homan, who will be in charge of the country's borders following Trump's inauguration in January, has said that the northern border with Canada is a priority because illegal migration in the area is a “huge national security issue”.
What happens next is unclear. “It remains to be seen if Canada would impose similar policies to prevent people migrating into the US from its borders. If that happens, we can expect a decline in detentions of Indians nationals at the border,” says Ms Puri.
Whatever the case, the dreams driving thousands of desperate Indians to seek a better life in the US are unlikely to fade, even as the road ahead becomes more perilous.
Why more Indians are crossing borders illegally to enter the US
A surge in illegal border crossings by Indians into the US has left many puzzled -what’s going on?
? There shouldn’t be a line for Pakistanis, also there is no wait for Indian passport holders that aren’t born in India.
