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Let’s revitalize good relations between Hindus and Muslims like pre colonial times [Goodwill Thread]

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Yes before the Brits split us into two countries things weren’t perfect between Muslims and Hindus. And they won’t be perfect due to our opposing faiths.

However, as Muslims our faith teaches us to be good to our neighbors regardless. To have good conduct regardless of if interacting with Muslim or non Muslim.

And correct me if I’m wrong, it’s similar in Hinduism too.

Am sure many of us who have stepped outside of Pakistan or India before, have interacted with Pakistanis or Indians.

And instead of having debate about beef or beer or Mughals and Modi, it was more about the commonalities or even just the few mins of the feeling of home by talking to each other in the same language in a foreign country.

We are all hit with soooo many articles, and emotional news headlines, and twitter updates inciting one against the other and letting the elite keep us opposed to each other in 2025, just like Brits divided us before they conquered centuries ago. We are falling for the same tricks even today.

So in this thread I want us to say one thing that we admire about the other. So if you’re Pakistani, something you admire about Indians and vice versa. Or a friendship or interaction in your life that was positive with a Pakistani / Indian.

Use this thread to cool down after having fiery passionate debates with each other in other areas where we talk about our differences
 
I am always nice to well-behaving Hindus. For example, BhaagBhiruBhaag. I don't think I have ever attacked him. He is also respectful toward me. We are on good terms here. :inti

I am only hostile toward Islamophobic ones (particularly bhakt ones). :inti
 
If someone is not hostile toward Islam, my people, and me, I have no reason to be hostile either. :dav

Here is a relevant Quranic verse --> "Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." (60:8)
 
Suleiman said:
Yes before the Brits split us into two countries things weren’t perfect between Muslims and Hindus. And they won’t be perfect due to our opposing faiths.

However, as Muslims our faith teaches us to be good to our neighbors regardless. To have good conduct regardless of if interacting with Muslim or non Muslim.

And correct me if I’m wrong, it’s similar in Hinduism too.

Am sure many of us who have stepped outside of Pakistan or India before, have interacted with Pakistanis or Indians.

And instead of having debate about beef or beer or Mughals and Modi, it was more about the commonalities or even just the few mins of the feeling of home by talking to each other in the same language in a foreign country.

We are all hit with soooo many articles, and emotional news headlines, and twitter updates inciting one against the other and letting the elite keep us opposed to each other in 2025, just like Brits divided us before they conquered centuries ago. We are falling for the same tricks even today.

So in this thread I want us to say one thing that we admire about the other. So if you’re Pakistani, something you admire about Indians and vice versa. Or a friendship or interaction in your life that was positive with a Pakistani / Indian.

Use this thread to cool down after having fiery passionate debates with each other in other areas where we talk about our differences
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Beautifully said Dear @Suleiman brother, I want to thank you for such a thoughtful and balanced message. If i am not wrong, Suleiman means “Man of Peace”. Truly doing justice to your name nrother.

Our faith teaches us the same. “Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam” the world is one family. Dharma isn’t just about rituals brother or putting on a Tilak on your forehead, it’s about righteous conduct, compassion, and respect — especially toward neighbors and fellow travelers on this earth regardless of their beliefs. 🙏🏻

I’ve met many Pakistani brothers abroad and every time, it wasn’t about politics or history. It was about language, shared culture, cricket banter, and that instant feeling of familiarity that only someone from the subcontinent can give you. Brother that feeling i can never get with a Sri Lankan or an Aussie or a Brazilian. It is a special connection with Pakistan whom i will consider my blood relation.

Thank you for starting this thread. We can protect our roots and reach across the divide. It’s time we all rise above the noise and remember we were brothers before, and we can be brothers again.

Ram Ram. Khuda Hafiz. Peace to all.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Beautifully said Dear @Suleiman brother, I want to thank you for such a thoughtful and balanced message. If i am not wrong, Suleiman means “Man of Peace”. Truly doing justice to your name nrother.

Our faith teaches us the same. “Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam” the world is one family. Dharma isn’t just about rituals brother or putting on a Tilak on your forehead, it’s about righteous conduct, compassion, and respect — especially toward neighbors and fellow travelers on this earth regardless of their beliefs. 🙏🏻

I’ve met many Pakistani brothers abroad and every time, it wasn’t about politics or history. It was about language, shared culture, cricket banter, and that instant feeling of familiarity that only someone from the subcontinent can give you. Brother that feeling i can never get with a Sri Lankan or an Aussie or a Brazilian. It is a special connection with Pakistan whom i will consider my blood relation.

Thank you for starting this thread. We can protect our roots and reach across the divide. It’s time we all rise above the noise and remember we were brothers before, and we can be brothers again.

Ram Ram. Khuda Hafiz. Peace to all.
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Yes brother that’s what the name means and may Allah SWT allow me to honor that name as long as I am alive, Ameen.

And that’s very interesting. I do believe all religion originate from 1 source, and so we see reoccurring themes of compassion, respect, love, honor etc.

Prophet Muhammad PBUH did not engage in useless debates, but instead a lot of people listened to his message purely on the strength of his etiquette and compassion.

I hope to do the same, though ofc I will be nowhere close as a non prophet regular person but will do my best In Sha Allah.

When I was in the Middle East one of my best friends was my Hindu neighbor and his mom was my mom’s bestie. He was from Gujrat. Great kid, and a very kind and well mannered family. We would exchange dishes, cause trouble in the neighborhood together with other kids part of our group and when I had a surgery he would visit often.

Hope he is doing well.
 
I admire work ethic and desire for education amongst our Hindu friends and brothers.

I have been lucky by living in the UK and some time in the ME to interact with many Hindus of all shades and all sides of the political spectrum including hardcore right wing people, most of the interactions have been positive.
 
My neighbours are a Kashmiri Muslim family and they’re really sweet people and their parents who often visit the young couple are also very adorable people.
 
I was in Hail, Saudi Arabia to meet a Pakistani business partner once and i had made a noob mistake to hire a one time Uber to his remote location. Once the meeting was done i was to fly back to Jeddah but wasn’t getting any Taxi leading to some anxiety as the next flight was day after only. The Pakistani brother asked one of his junior employees (another Pakistani) to drop me, not just to the city but all the way to the Airport. What a great gesture and it was our first meeting ever.

Abroad it’s very likely that a Bharatiya might not help a fellow Bharatiya but a Pakistani almost always will and vice versa.

This is one one of the many pleasant memories of mine with Pakistani brothers.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I admire work ethic and desire for education amongst our Hindu friends and brothers.

I have been lucky by living in the UK and some time in the ME to interact with many Hindus of all shades and all sides of the political spectrum including hardcore right wing people, most of the interactions have been positive.
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We have to acknowledge the contribution of ancient Brahmins for this. It’s a way of life passed on from generation to generation. Brahmins have been the pillar of Sanatani wisdom compilation, preservation and progress over milleniums. Over the years, unfortunately most Brahmins just became greedy and lazy by making easy money being the priests but there were still many families who continued the legacy education and reform.

It is said that majority of Muslims of the subcontinent were converts from other castes mostly. I wonder if there are still a decent number of them who have Brahmin lineage.
 
Bhaijaan said:
We have to acknowledge the contribution of ancient Brahmins for this. It’s a way of life passed on from generation to generation. Brahmins have been the pillar of Sanatani wisdom compilation, preservation and progress over milleniums. Over the years, unfortunately most Brahmins just became greedy and lazy by making easy money being the priests but there were still many families who continued the legacy education and reform.

It is said that majority of Muslims of the subcontinent were converts from other castes mostly. I wonder if there are still a decent number of them who have Brahmin lineage.
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Iqbal was Brahmin. I have done DNA tests that show some Brahmin origins too.

Majority of conversions to Islam were from warrior caste. It is a misconception that it was all lower castes although they did make the move too.

We sometimes view emperor's solely through religious sense but there are some theories that many "Muslim" emperor's weren't fussed about people converting as they couldn't levy jizya on converts so it didn't make economic sense for the country.

Anyway on the topic of Iqbal he wrote about himself being a Kashmiri Brahmin who was also blessed to learn about the wisdom of Rumi and others. I can't remember th exact quote I am paraphrasing but he was proud of his heritage as should all sons of the subcontinent be.
 
I believe Hindus and Muslims could share the same space with goodwill.

But can hindutva and Islam exist in the same sphere? That is the question? :unsure:
 

‘With Rs 400 from a Christian and money given by Muslim Mammootty, I tied a golden tali around my Hindu wife’: Sreenivasan on his marriage​




Sreenivasan tied the knot with his longtime girlfriend, Vimala, in 1984, when he had yet to find his footing in the industry, let alone achieve financial security.​

One can love his movies or hate them, but there’s no denying that Sreenivasan was a master storyteller. He didn’t need ornate language to communicate sharp, broad, or complex thoughts. He was such a brilliant wordsmith that he could motivate an entire generation with “Dasa, oronninum athintethaya samayamund, mone (Dasa, everything has its own time, buddy)”; make them roll on the floor laughing with “Oh my God, CID, escape!” and “Angane Pavanayi Shavamayi“; and even well their eyes up with “Oru cheriya vishesham, ente amma marichu poyi (Just a small piece of news, my mother passed away)”, all in the same movie, Nadodikkattu (1987).

Not just in cinema, but Sreenivasan, who passed away on December 20, was a storytelling legend in real life as well, effortlessly capturing the attention of an entire crowd with his incisive, quick wit and unparalleled observational skills. The way he often narrated the story of his wedding itself was a testament to his verbal dexterity and sociopolitical stances. Sreenivasan tied the knot with his longtime girlfriend, Vimala, in 1984, when he had yet to find his footing in the industry, let alone achieve financial security. They met for the first time when he was a teacher at a private tutorial college in the early 1970s, well before he entered the film industry.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Very difficult to achieve. Will happen only when levels of religiosity are very low across both faiths.
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Exactly. Until religion should be put in the place it deserves, good relations will never be established.

Hindus - Have always been more accepting. Majority are still very secular. In the last few decades, the acceptance levels have reduced.
Muslims - Majority are very religious. They have to put their religion first before anything. While there are some liberal Muslims, most are not.

Until and unless people become secular and put humanity first over religion, good relations cannot be established. I don't see it happening anytime soon. Marriages between communities should happen and one should have parents or ancestors from all communities. That will make everyone think twice before abusing anyone for their religion
 
The majority of Hindus and Muslims live with cordial, everyday relations.

The problem isn’t Hindu Muslim coexistence, it’s Hindutva. Expecting cordiality with Hindutva is no different from asking people to have respectful relations with the KKK, Nazis, white supremacist like Tommy, or any far right religious supremacist ideology.

You cannot meaningfully coexist with an ideology that seeks to justify the slaughter of human beings over their beliefs.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Until and unless people become secular and put humanity first over religion, good relations cannot be established. I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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This will eventually happen over time with education and lower levels of poverty. Maybe Islam will be a bit slower partly because of the greater amount of laws dictated. But it will happen. You can see it already happening in richer Muslim countries and in Muslims living in the west.

I think Pakistan going secular would be a great first step. Even other countries like Iran etc. too. But realise that won’t happen right now, they’d be outcry. You can see even countries like Indonesia and Malaysia which are overwhelming Muslim have realised this becoming secular. I think it will even happen eventually in these rich Arab countries though this is impeded due to their structure of having one king ruling rather than true democracy with an elected prime minister/president ruling. But even with this you can see that these countries are relaxing slowly and surely.
 

Amid Deepam Row, Tamil Nadu Dargah Festival Showcases Hindu-Muslim Harmony​




Adding another dimension to the custom, the two bulls that pull the decorated chariot carrying the mosque's flag are sent by a Hindu family.​


Madurai:
Despite protests relating to the Thiruparankundram deepam row, preparations for the Santhanakoodu festival on the hilltop dargah turned into a display of communal amity between Muslims and Hindus.

A few hours before the representatives from the mosque took the flag and sandalwood paste to the dargah, a team of two Hindu artistes played mridangam and thavil, joining a Muslim musician Nagore, who was performing the nadaswaram.

S Murugan, a Hindu percussionist, told NDTV, "All we need is communal harmony and unity. That's important." Selladurai, another percussionist, echoed it. Responding to demands to light the deepam on the pillar next to the hilltop dargah, Meenakshi Sundaram, who played Thavil in the mosque, said, "In my view it should be a samathuva deepam, an egalitarian one."

Adding another dimension to the custom, the two bulls that pull the decorated chariot carrying the mosque's flag are sent by a Hindu family. The Hindu man, who brought the bulls, said, "I've been doing this for eight years and before this, my family was part of this custom. My forefathers had their own bulls. Later, we always got them from a Hindu family."

As the decorated cart pulled by bulls walked through the streets near the Thiruparankundram temple, a small group of around 25 Muslims were escorted by the police to walk up to the hill to hoist the flag.

Meanwhile, police detained 50 people in Thiruparankundram as they protested, demanding access to the pillar next to the dargah, just before the dargah festivities began.

The mosque management said the discord has been created by "motivated" outfits, including Hindu Munnani and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). "Hindus and Muslims live in amity here. We celebrate their festivals and they ours. But groups unrelated to Thiruparankudram are attempting to create a divide and trigger communal clashes. We can't let that happen," said M Arif Khan, Secretary of the Hazrat Sultan Sikandhar Badusha Mosque. Another member Sherif added, "This question doesn't arise and the temple management believes the place where the deepam is lit now over the last more than 100 years is according to Ahama rules and this tradition should not be changed."

Although a single judge Bench permitted the lighting of the deepam on the pillar next to the dargah in addition to the traditional spot, the temple chose not to enforce it and confined the lighting to the pillar near the Uchipillayar temple at a lower level on the hill, just above the temple tower. The temple, HR&CE department, state government and police have appealed against it. A two-judge bench has completed arguments and orders have been reserved.

Meanwhile, the grand finale of the celebration at the Thiruparankudram mosque and dargah would be on January 16, when the festivities would come to a close.




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sweep_shot said:
As long as sanghis/RSS/BJP are in power, it is unlikely to happen.

They are responsible for 90% of the issues in subcontinent. India need to be de-sanghified. :inti
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Yes.

This is why I said there was probably less issue between Hindus and Muslims, but the problems was hindutva in post #14.

As majority of Indian posters are hindutvas on PP, none of them contested my post. A couple of pretend atheists waffled something about secular policy while still being big supporters of BJP whose whole philosophy is built around Hindu supremacy.
 
I have never had an issue with any muslims I have interacted with in real life, most conversations have been around food and sport, got along well.

Online though, Muslims can be seen as extremists/radicals similar to the way Muslims keep harping about Hindutva....
 
As long as religion is given priority over culture, the issue of religious divide will persist.

I say the entire subcontinent should unite on a common bond. It should be the Indus Valley civilization. Nothing related to religion. Everyone in subcontinent should identify with it and give it priority over their religion. Until that happens, the fighting will go on.
All religions are man made. It should never supersede the subcontinent civilization.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I have never had an issue with any muslims I have interacted with in real life, most conversations have been around food and sport, got along well.

Online though, Muslims can be seen as extremists/radicals similar to the way Muslims keep harping about Hindutva....
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Most Muslims are wonderful people and no question about it. I had many Muslim friends growing up and no one discussed religion. It was always cricket and studies.
 
Not right now. There is a trust deficit and Muslims must do a lot to earn it again.

Antagonistic Bharat is preparing for the next war. Let there be no secrecy about that. We are serious about changing international borders this time.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Most Muslims are wonderful people and no question about it. I had many Muslim friends growing up and no one discussed religion. It was always cricket and studies.
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I would say all Muslims I have met and interacted with in real life have been good people. Online though, too many keyboard warriors defending the radicalism and extremism.
 
I have like 6 to 7 Pakistani Hindu friends and Indian Hindu work colleagues. Never came across any issue with either of them except for one that my work relation was stained with him.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Not right now. There is a trust deficit and Muslims must do a lot to earn it again.

Antagonistic Bharat is preparing for the next war. Let there be no secrecy about that. We are serious about changing international borders this time.
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Woah!!
Did not see that turn..
 
Ball Blazer said:
I have like 6 to 7 Pakistani Hindu friends and Indian Hindu work colleagues. Never came across any issue with either of them except for one that my work relation was stained with him.
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Haha I have never had any disagreements or issues with a muslim in person, all the issues I have encountered in real life have been with Hindus 😆

To be fair if I met all the muslim folks here on PP I don't think I would have any issues getting along regardless of the verbal tussles here online..
 
Romali_rotti said:
Haha I have never had any disagreements or issues with a muslim in person, all the issues I have encountered in real life have been with Hindus 😆

To be fair if I met all the muslim folks here on PP I don't think I would have any issues getting along regardless of the verbal tussles here online..
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My experience is completely the opposite .... so I thought let me check with some close friends, family and the very large alumni groups that I am a part of ... not one single one of them has anything nice to say on this topic and their behavior, overall outlook is EXACTLY the same as can be seen on this forum. The numerous acts of egregious violent events just within our own lifetimes bear that out in graphic detail.​
 
Ball Blazer said:
I have like 6 to 7 Pakistani Hindu friends and Indian Hindu work colleagues. Never came across any issue with either of them except for one that my work relation was stained with him.
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Thats mostly because Hindus are respectful, careful and friendly in nature.

Turn the tables, and who would wanna be friends with a muslim who mocks, insults and makes derogatory blasphemous comments about other religions. Thats like a regular muslim in the subcontinent. On Pakistan state televisions, this happens on regular basis when they turn country vs country war into a full fledged Islam vs Hinduism thing.
 
uppercut said:

My experience is completely the opposite .... so I thought let me check with some close friends, family and the very large alumni groups that I am a part of ... not one single one of them has anything nice to say on this topic and their behavior, overall outlook is EXACTLY the same as can be seen on this forum. The numerous acts of egregious violent events just within our own lifetimes bear that out in graphic detail.​
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Maybe I just ran into the good bunch, who knows. I used to date a Kashmiri hindu girl a long time ago, she gave me some pretty gore insights...
 
Better to separate and not seek any reconciliation with Indian Hindus.

When strict Hindu would prefer to eat food touched by rats in temple than by Muslim it is impossible to maintain ties.

However can be respectful from a distance.

No issue with Bangladeshi, Nepali, Sindhi, or Indonesian Hindus or those white people who do yoga in west, they are out brothers.
 
Suleiman said:
Yes before the Brits split us into two countries things weren’t perfect between Muslims and Hindus. And they won’t be perfect due to our opposing faiths.

However, as Muslims our faith teaches us to be good to our neighbors regardless. To have good conduct regardless of if interacting with Muslim or non Muslim.

And correct me if I’m wrong, it’s similar in Hinduism too.

Am sure many of us who have stepped outside of Pakistan or India before, have interacted with Pakistanis or Indians.

And instead of having debate about beef or beer or Mughals and Modi, it was more about the commonalities or even just the few mins of the feeling of home by talking to each other in the same language in a foreign country.

We are all hit with soooo many articles, and emotional news headlines, and twitter updates inciting one against the other and letting the elite keep us opposed to each other in 2025, just like Brits divided us before they conquered centuries ago. We are falling for the same tricks even today.

So in this thread I want us to say one thing that we admire about the other. So if you’re Pakistani, something you admire about Indians and vice versa. Or a friendship or interaction in your life that was positive with a Pakistani / Indian.

Use this thread to cool down after having fiery passionate debates with each other in other areas where we talk about our differences
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Pakistan doesn't seem to have too many viruses like the resident runner.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Not right now. There is a trust deficit and Muslims must do a lot to earn it again.

Antagonistic Bharat is preparing for the next war. Let there be no secrecy about that. We are serious about changing international borders this time.
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too bad, that what happened last time (last yr) - you didnt hit our bases, hit some fields, we hit part of your bases, we took down 6 jets + 2 uavs and you begged to trump for a complete ceasefire.


as for now, nepal doesn't like you, neither does sri lanka or even myanmar, bangladesh have got ridden you and your best friends in the region is the taliban = looooool (im sure they dont like the hindus)

and iran next on america list = and yet trump warned you , regardng this


Kashmir will soon depart away - either be its own country or join pakistan

not looking good for you lot
 
Bhaijaan said:
Thats mostly because Hindus are respectful, careful and friendly in nature.

Turn the tables, and who would wanna be friends with a muslim who mocks, insults and makes derogatory blasphemous comments about other religions. Thats like a regular muslim in the subcontinent. On Pakistan state televisions, this happens on regular basis when they turn country vs country war into a full fledged Islam vs Hinduism thing.
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plus i forgot to mention hinduism is declining in India, and Islam is rapidly increasing in India


i do believe sikhs wil get thr own country, dalits will spread into the other faiths - mainly islam / christianity = more migraion into pakistan, most off kashmir will either seperate as new country or join pakistan + aksai chin will go to china+ ladakh will be china and some of the seven states (chicken kneck) will be joining bangladesh.

I can also see southern india - tamil part will seperate from india - become thr own country
 
Unlike all the Indians here, there are many Indians that I have met in real life and found on social media who oppose Israel’s genocide against Palestinians.

The South Indians are some of nicest people I’ve met.
 
Made this thread few weeks before the Great Hindutva Betrayal of 2025.

Interesting to see the responses before and after the event.
 
In outside world (particularly in the west), not many care whether someone is a Muslim, Hindu, Christian etc. Everyone is busy with work, studies, family etc.

Most of these fights take place online and back in subcontinent where there are lots of sensitive people. LOL.
 
sweep_shot said:
In outside world (particularly in the west), not many care whether someone is a Muslim, Hindu, Christian etc. Everyone is busy with work, studies, family etc.

Most of these fights take place online and back in subcontinent where there are lots of sensitive people. LOL.
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I have lived in Toronto 60% of my life and 100% of my adult life.

I have worked, studied, and played cricket with many Indians. Most were nice to me and I was nice to them. :inti

I have only met 2 petty and toxic Indians in real life. Both were from my last job. I changed my job and my current job has only 1 Indian and she is nice. :inti
 
Suleiman said:
Made this thread few weeks before the Great Hindutva Betrayal of 2025.

Interesting to see the responses before and the event.
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Even then my stance is the same as before the May 2025 events when I made this thread, and I do hope for goodwill. Kudos to those who were able to put animosity aside and follow the instructions of the thread.

Seems like the conclusion is the same. All this macho bravado nonsense on either side is purely online. Outside of few isolated incidents that honestly I haven’t experienced myself irl everything is normal.

Do think it matters what sort of energy and behavior you tolerate and allow into your life as well. If you are picky with who you give your time to, will rarely run into the same circular mud slinging arguments we see online…

There are some mud slinging bandar who maintain the same energy online and offline though…
 
sweep_shot said:
In outside world (particularly in the west), not many care whether someone is a Muslim, Hindu, Christian etc. Everyone is busy with work, studies, family etc.

Most of these fights take place online and back in subcontinent where there are lots of sensitive people. LOL.
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I don't mind Muslim, Christian, Hindu but since their failed operation sindoor I view any Indian with deep suspicion even if they are Muslim. For Indian Muslims unless they can express some regret that their family didn't move to Pakistan, within the first few minutes of conversation I try to avoid them.

The above only applies to non Punjabis. No issues with Punjabi brothers.
 
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