Let's be honest, that was embarrassing

[GLORY OF '92]

That was horrible. Yes the pitch quickened up and they bowled well but it was cowardly and brainless batting.

The team is in a mess and 3-0 will be a sad end for Misbah and YK.

 

[Ellipsism]

Kick out these oldies and introduce young blood. It may not lead to an immediate resurgence but it add some much needed energy to this otherwise "sleepy" side.

Bring in Haris and Saud for Misbah and Younus and Ghulam Mudassar or any other young quickie for Rahat.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

It was because of "shape of the ball" and "lights doing tricks on batsmen".

Otherwise Pakistasn would be 150-1 at close in 50 overs instead of 97-8 in 43 overs.

 

[Slog]

Kick out these oldies and introduce young blood. It may not lead to an immediate resurgence but it add some much needed energy to this otherwise "sleepy" side.

Bring in Haris and Saud for Misbah and Younus and Ghulam Mudassar or any other young quickie for Rahat.

Yes Haris.

The guy who probably injures himself going from his room to the kitchen

 

[Abid Z]

That was horrible. Yes the pitch quickened up and they bowled well but it was cowardly and brainless batting.

The team is in a mess and 3-0 will be a sad end for Misbah and YK.

oh jeez yes lets all go and slit our wrists now. Anybody who has been following pakistan cricket for as long as you (or i have) know that this situation was entirely predictable. The Gabba under lights with the pink ball and the likes of Starc and Hazelwood, the former bowling close to 150K's was going to be testing for any line up on the first day and are as difficult as any conditions the Pakistani batters can face in their test careers. If batting is what you are referring to.

Remember even the likes of Sami and Shohaib could reduce the star studded line up of hayden, langer, gilchrist, ponting etc for nothing at the waca in 2004 (before they rallied). sometimes alien condition catch the best of them out and its just a case of clutching onto a few positives and rally. 2010 in England had its positives but wasnt entirely dissimilar. Azhar and Younis got very good balls and i think they would have tested any batsman. Asad was just loose. Sami and Babar showed some grit but they are very young and need time. But then worse has happened to pak with better line ups in slow pitches of UAE in 2003 i think. Two consecutive innings of 50 odd if i remember correctly with the likes of Inzi, younis, yousuf, rashid and waqar, saqlain and shohaib. So this is just entirely predictable for a subcontinental team. Just consider India's last tour where the likes of dravid and co failed miserably except of Kohli.

Brisbane will soon be over and the pak batsmen will be stronger for it going into the next match after a quick death. They have to learn quick though

Its the bowling that is embarrassing and here i agree with you. We can certainly take 20 wickets, but only after conceding 1000 plus runs. some of balls bowled bring a tear to ones eyes.

 

[apollo]

We should not loose hope..Amir and Sarfraz are fighting it out. Hopefully we will bat better in the second outing. The good news is our bowlers are now back in form. Australia will also struggle when they bat again.

 

[ali ray]

apollo Australia will not again bat they will win by innings

 

[Markhor]

1st Test vs Australia in Brisbane. Australia batted first and scored 463. Pakistan were bowled out for 97. Australia won by innings. Guess the year ? 1995. No matter what we do in Australia, history always seems to repeat itself.

 

[New Yorker]

Kick out these oldies and introduce young blood. It may not lead to an immediate resurgence but it add some much needed energy to this otherwise "sleepy" side.

Bring in Haris and Saud for Misbah and Younus and Ghulam Mudassar or any other young quickie for Rahat.

Of all the top performers Mudassar why?

 

[Major]

Kick out these oldies and introduce young blood. It may not lead to an immediate resurgence but it add some much needed energy to this otherwise "sleepy" side.

Bring in Haris and Saud for Misbah and Younus and Ghulam Mudassar or any other young quickie for Rahat.

all of a sudden dropping players is the answer to everything

just last week we were dropping sami aslam and hailing babar, today its the opposite

 

[Big Mac]

Yes it was embarrassing but it's Pakistan in Australia, it's ALWAYS embarrassing

The difference between this team and the 'great' Pakistan sides of the past is that they are resilient enough to bounce back from a thrashing rather than succumb to infighting causing the rest of the tour to be a total write-off.

I'm not saying we won't still lose the series comfortably but I'm not going to start the wrist-slitting just yet.

 

[cric_fanatic]

Lets be honest. A lot of us saw this coming. Hope they put up a respectable show in the 2nd innings.

Lets be honest, Pak's batting is WEAK. as bad as how good their bowling is.

Stop hyping up Younis as the greatest batsman. He is past his prime. And now Pak needs to blood fresh talent. Look what Aus did. It might cause a stir, but thats the right way going forward.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Lets be honest here, the approach is embarrassing. They look like headless chickens out there, with no plan whatsoever. What are they expecting by these surreal block-a-thons? What is the point of these block-a-thons? There will always be one delivery that will put you in trouble since you are not used to these conditions. Why would you shut shop and not maximize on the opportunities the bowlers provide? Also, Pakistan played completely different back in England. Completely different. Asad Shafiq is a prime example. Much more confident of his strokeplay and put away the bad balls when required.

Starc got away with a lot of rubbish today. Hazlewood was right on the money, while Bird should have been attacked a bit more since he was bowling at a much gentler pace. You just can't expect to get away when you shut shop and bat at 2 RPO every single innings. Ridiculous planning by Misbah and Arthur. The batting is going nowhere.

 

[Jan Sher]

Kick out these oldies and introduce young blood. It may not lead to an immediate resurgence but it add some much needed energy to this otherwise "sleepy" side.

Bring in Haris and Saud for Misbah and Younus and Ghulam Mudassar or any other young quickie for Rahat.

On what basis are you bringing in Ghulam Mudassir ahead of Hasan Ali?

 

[Jan Sher]

I blame our bowlers more than our batsmen. Their line and length was inconsitent, and horrible. We missed our best Test fast bowler, Imran Khan, badly, he would have bundled out Australia for under 200.

And we have tailenders, no batsmen, barrng YK and Sarfraz, lol, so that's why I blame bowlers more than our batsmen.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Lets be honest here, the approach is embarrassing. They look like headless chickens out there, with no plan whatsoever. What are they expecting by these surreal block-a-thons? What is the point of these block-a-thons? There will always be one delivery that will put you in trouble since you are not used to these conditions. Why would you shut shop and not maximize on the opportunities the bowlers provide? Also, Pakistan played completely different back in England. Completely different. Asad Shafiq is a prime example. Much more confident of his strokeplay and put away the bad balls when required.

Starc got away with a lot of rubbish today. Hazlewood was right on the money, while Bird should have been attacked a bit more since he was bowling at a much gentler pace. You just can't expect to get away when you shut shop and bat at 2 RPO every single innings. Ridiculous planning by Misbah and Arthur. The batting is going nowhere.

Good post.

This 3-0 is going to be the most painful one I think.

 

[awahid9702]

Hopefully Sarfraz can take us to around 230 tomorrow so the follow-on is avoided.

 

[Mamoon]

It was always bound to be. We should be grateful that we didn't play in early summer in England when the conditions were tougher for batting, otherwise we would have been humiliated like Sri Lanka.

Also, we should be grateful that we played very little overseas cricket between 2010 and 2016, which allowed us to pretend that we are some world class side.

 

[Saj]

If it was Warne bowling huge leg-breaks or McGrath bowling brilliant deliveries, it would be acceptable. But a large number of the Pakistani batsmen played poor, thoughtless shots, which is unacceptable.

 

[Slog]

It was always bound to be. We should be grateful that we didn't play in early summer in England when the conditions were tougher for batting, otherwise we would have been humiliated like Sri Lanka.

Also, we should be grateful that we played very little overseas cricket between 2010 and 2016, which allowed us to pretend that we are some world class side.

Yes over course of two months England goes through such a change that it is not recognisable lol. Dunno why it didn't happen in 2010 and why conditions were so wet and difficult even though our tests had gone on even later. I guess global warming must be in play this year

Anyways other teams in England (including India in 2014) have been manhandled and humiliated by them in late summer so it's a huge achievement

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

It was.

It's a result of " Thakka "

Thakka won't work in Australia.


Pakistan will only win a Test in Australia if we score at atleast 3.25 per over. This is the only way of survival and scoring 300, 350+

Ultradefensive approach allows pacers to settle to a line and length and get on top of batsman. Than 1 good delivery and you are headed to dressing room.

 

[Major]

It was always bound to be. We should be grateful that we didn't play in early summer in England when the conditions were tougher for batting, otherwise we would have been humiliated like Sri Lanka.

Also, we should be grateful that we played very little overseas cricket between 2010 and 2016, which allowed us to pretend that we are some world class side.

The performance in this innings is one thing, but donot take away the success of other tours or england tour away.

Pakistan achieved 1st ranking in test and its an achievement, dont downplay it if we loss future matches

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Why cant top order make 20 runs each at least. Why must they capitulate like that. Everytime they tour they do this. Why cant we ever produce players that are international grade.

 

[Speedster777]

Kick out these oldies and introduce young blood. It may not lead to an immediate resurgence but it add some much needed energy to this otherwise "sleepy" side.

Bring in Haris and Saud for Misbah and Younus and Ghulam Mudassar or any other young quickie for Rahat.

Is that really you Ellipsism ? I thought selectors did a fantastic job and selected the best squad for us lol

 

[ExplicitAI]

This first innings of the tour by Pak should be a wake up call, I doubt this will happen again but that's just mere hope.

 

[Kianig89]

Very very disappointing abject surrender

 

[AlphaFighter]

Not sure how hungry Pakistani players are to do well in Australia or even the PCB for that matter. Adapting to the local conditions is not a joke. The players should have arrived in Australia atleast 4-6 weeks ago at PCB expense and should have looked to have a camp here, looked to have played 3-4 practice games before going into the first test or worst case scenario have the T-20's and ODI's before the test matches.

 

[AlphaFighter]

It was.

It's a result of " Thakka "

Thakka won't work in Australia.


Pakistan will only win a Test in Australia if we score at atleast 3.25 per over. This is the only way of survival and scoring 300, 350+

Ultradefensive approach allows pacers to settle to a line and length and get on top of batsman. Than 1 good delivery and you are headed to dressing room.

Misbah will do whatever he will want to do.

 

[Mamoon]

The performance in this innings is one thing, but donot take away the success of other tours or england tour away.

Pakistan achieved 1st ranking in test and its an achievement, dont downplay it if we loss future matches

I'm not downplaying it, but we have to look at the factors that contributed to those achievements. You know it as well as I do that had we played in the conditions SL did, we would have lost the series convincingly.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes over course of two months England goes through such a change that it is not recognisable lol. Dunno why it didn't happen in 2010 and why conditions were so wet and difficult even though our tests had gone on even later. I guess global warming must be in play this year

Anyways other teams in England (including India in 2014) have been manhandled and humiliated by them in late summer so it's a huge achievement

2010 was one of the wettest summers in England in a long, long time. I was there at that time and I have never experienced such weather in the UK in summers.

The conditions that SL got in May were worse. There was more grass in the pitch and the overhead conditions were overcast, while we got bright sunshine most of the time.

On the same Lord's pitch, we collapsed in the ODI because of the black clouds. Same would have happened in the Test series or perhaps not, because the spirit of Waqar Younis was still lingering on and the failure that is Mickey had not done enough damage by that time.

The only Test where the conditions were slightly iffy for us was the Old Trafford Test and we got pummeled. Interestingly enough, India's only win in the 2014 series came on a green pitch.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I am sure even WI and Bangladesh would have done better. Last 4 tests Pakistan has played have to be the most embarrassing performances I have seen from Misbah's team.

 

[Slog]

2010 was one of the wettest summers in England in a long, long time. I was there at that time and I have never experienced such weather in the UK in summers.

The conditions that SL got in May were worse. There was more grass in the pitch and the overhead conditions were overcast, while we got bright sunshine most of the time.

On the same Lord's pitch, we collapsed in the ODI because of the black clouds. Same would have happened in the Test series or perhaps not, because the spirit of Waqar 'pep guardiola' Younis was still lingering on and the failure that is Mickey had not done enough damage by that time.

The only Test where the conditions were slightly iffy for us was the Old Trafford Test and we got pummeled. Interestingly enough, India's only win in the 2014 series came on a green pitch.

You got the part about Mickey right

India got pummelled by England in 2014 on a wide range of condition and despite england coming off a series loss to England in 2014

 

[Mamoon]

I am sure even WI and Bangladesh would have done better. Last 4 tests Pakistan has played have to be the most embarrassing performances I have seen from Misbah's team.

I always thought the defeat in Zimbabwe in 2013 was the lowest this team could get, but I'll have to reconsider that.

We have been shockingly poor.

 

[KB]

As some have mentioned here, Pakistani batting capitulating on Australian soil is not an infrequent occurrence. This does not make watching the collapse at Brisbane any more pleasant to witness, however, the historic context is an important reminder to those lambasting the current lot, that a different Pakistani batting line-up is unlikely to have averted a similar fate.

 

[Mamoon]

You got the part about Mickey right

India got pummelled by England in 2014 on a wide range of condition and despite england coming off a series loss to England in 2014

How long will it take for Waqar to offset the Mickey effect if we bring him back. Will he be able to salvage this series or is it too late. Perhaps he will help us beat South Africa in South Africa in 2018.

 

[Slog]

How long will it take for Pep Guardiola to offset the Mickey effect if we bring him back. Will he be able to salvage this series or is it too late. Perhaps he will help us beat South Africa in South Africa in 2018.

Remains to be seen

But at the moment we keep going down the hole every match

 

[The_Odd_One]

I always thought the defeat in Zimbabwe in 2013 was the lowest this team could get, but I'll have to reconsider that.

We have been shockingly poor.

Losing is normal as long as you put up a fight. However, since the NZ tour, Pakistan has shown no spine at all. It seems like they are mentally shot. The batting is weak but is it really that weak that they are struggling to cross even 200 in a test?

 

[Mamoon]

Losing is normal as long as you put up a fight. However, since the NZ tour, Pakistan has shown no spine at all. It seems like they are mentally shot. The batting is weak but is it really that weak that they are struggling to cross even 200 in a test?

Yes they are mentally shot. Last time it happened in SA and Zimbabwe in 2013-14, and we had to go back to UAE to get back on track (or Waqar weaved his magic as some will tell you).

 

[Slog]

Yes they are mentally shot. Last time it happened in SA and Zimbabwe in 2013-14, and we had to go back to UAE to get back on track (or Waqar weaved his magic as some will tell you).

Lol even before the SA and Zimbabwe tours we weren't winning in UAE

We had failed to win a series in UAE for over a year iirc

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Lol even before the SA and Zimbabwe tours we weren't winning in UAE

We had failed to win a series in UAE for over a year iirc

England was our pinnacle. We are finished in Tests for a couple of years now. Maybe 2018 we can challenge again.

 

[The_Odd_One]

England was our pinnacle. We are finished in Tests for a couple of years now. Maybe 2018 we can challenge again.

But I hope we will get better in shorter formats as we have better players for those formats.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol even before the SA and Zimbabwe tours we weren't winning in UAE

We had failed to win a series in UAE for over a year iirc

You can't win series that you don't play.

The England series in 2012 was our last series before the SA-Zimbabwe tours. prior to that, we had only played two series in the UAE: SA 2010 and SL 2011.

 

[umerz]

All is still not lost however I doubt if Pakistan will make a come back in the series. We will do well to lose the series 2-1 or 2-0. This might be last series of Misbah and Younis if Pakistan lose badly

 

[Slog]

You can't win series that you don't play.

The England series in 2012 was our last series before the SA-Zimbabwe tours. prior to that, we had only played two series in the UAE: SA 2010 and SL 2011.

My apologies

I meant post SA tour we didn't win a single series for over a year even in UAE (SL and Sa)whereas you had alluded we fixed that upon our return to he

 

[Buffet]

This pitch had less grass than other day nights , but still pink ball cricket. Other two tests will be traditional ones with lower and slower pitches. Not like UAE, but relatively when we talk about Aus pitches. Pakistan should like it.

Even this was not too bad because we got the highest score in day night matches in Aus. Pakistani pacers simply didn't force batsmen to play most balls. Wasted the new ball in start.

 

[street cricketer]

Yes over course of two months England goes through such a change that it is not recognisable lol. Dunno why it didn't happen in 2010 and why conditions were so wet and difficult even though our tests had gone on even later. I guess global warming must be in play this year

Anyways other teams in England (including India in 2014) have been manhandled and humiliated by them in late summer so it's a huge achievement

India did tour in the same months as Pakistan did, but the conditions weren't the same. The wickets were a mixed bag - a dead pitch to start with at Trent bridge, a greentop at Lords, Manchester assisted swing and seam bowling, Rose bowl and Oval were good batting tracks with assistance to seam bowling. I don't think India would've drawn had India received similar tracks as Pakistan since India were mentally fried in the second half of the tour as they came to England after an exhaustive IPL and T20 WC season without much practice. But not all the tracks were flat like Pakistan got in England or India got in Australia.

 

[coy0607]

all that cricket in the UAE created such a false perception of this team

Azhar and Asad aren't world class- they're below average batsmen, and are extremely lucky to have played 50+ matches when guys like Fawad are sitting out

Misbah isn't an ATG leader- he was just lucky to play in extremely friendly conditions

Younis may or may not go down as a great batsmen- but he clearly isn't consistent enough to be playing anymore

 

[LegendInzi]

Lets be honest, Pak's batting is WEAK. as bad as how good their bowling is.

Well that doesn't make it too bad then.

 

[Ellipsism]

all of a sudden dropping players is the answer to everything

just last week we were dropping sami aslam and hailing babar, today its the opposite

We all saw what Australia did and the difference it made.

Now I'm not staying by introducing youngsters we are going to start winning matches but they will at least show some heart and dig in unlike Misbah and Younus.

 

[Ellipsism]

Is that really you Ellipsism ? I thought selectors did a fantastic job and selected the best squad for us lol

The PCB doesn't have the guts to drop Younus or let go of Misbah.

Apart from Rahat this is pretty much our best XI.

 

[Ellipsism]

I blame our bowlers more than our batsmen. Their line and length was inconsitent, and horrible. We missed our best Test fast bowler, Imran Khan, badly, he would have bundled out Australia for under 200.

And we have tailenders, no batsmen, barrng YK and Sarfraz, lol, so that's why I blame bowlers more than our batsmen.

YK a batsman?

He's averaging less than 3 in his last six innings, you must be disheartened considering your obsession with statistics.

 

[Syed1]

YK a batsman?

He's averaging less than 3 in his last six innings, you must be disheartened considering your obsession with statistics.

But but but he scored a 200 not too long ago

He deserves to play for the next three years for that solitary double hundred..

 

[Ellipsism]

On what basis are you bringing in Ghulam Mudassir ahead of Hasan Ali?

On the basis of natural ability.

Ghulam can swing the ball conventionally along with reverse and has a mean bumper in addition a Akram-esque yorker all at good pace (135-140 K average speed and the effort deliveries touching 145 K)

What isn't to like?

Hassan Ali will struggle big time on flat pitches. He has been able to make do with his variations in ODI cricket but they will be of no use in test cricket.

 

[QalandarFan]

Kick out these oldies and introduce young blood. It may not lead to an immediate resurgence but it add some much needed energy to this otherwise "sleepy" side.

Bring in Haris and Saud for Misbah and Younus and Ghulam Mudassar or any other young quickie for Rahat.

Wait a minute when I mentioned we should have picked Saud in the squad, you said he is not good enough. Now your saying he should be selected.

Hypocrisy!

 

[Ellipsism]

Wait a minute when I mentioned we should have picked Saud in the squad, you said he is not good enough. Now your saying he should be selected.

Hypocrisy!

Don't think you've remembered correctly. I have always said that Saud is one of the most talented players in Pakistan. I may have said he is under cooked and not ready for the international arena but I doubt I've said that he is not good enough.

 

[moghul]

Embarrassing for us, not for people like Younis Khan , Misbah and Inzimam, for them its business as usual.

 

[moghul]

On the basis of natural ability.

Ghulam can swing the ball conventionally along with reverse and has a mean bumper in addition a Akram-esque yorker all at good pace (135-140 K average speed and the effort deliveries touching 145 K)

What isn't to like?

Hassan Ali will struggle big time on flat pitches. He has been able to make do with his variations in ODI cricket but they will be of no use in test cricket.

Right or wrong , Imran Khan used to pick players based upon talent and ability and not stats. I'm not too impressed with Hasan but Mudassar definitely looks promising.

 

[yasir]

If it was Warne bowling huge leg-breaks or McGrath bowling brilliant deliveries, it would be acceptable. But a large number of the Pakistani batsmen played poor, thoughtless shots, which is unacceptable.

Isn't source of problem is playing in worst pitches of UAE? - Our batsmen have very limited range of shots, they cannot play bounce or pace. Not just that we stopped producing fast bowler. Amir and Wahab(both pre UAE bowlers) are only two bowlers in entire Pakistan who can bowl 140+ on consistent basis...

In last six years we faced tough conditions 3 times(SA, NZ and now AUS), batting has been horrible in all cases. In all cases aging players were exposed as well. We were lucky in England by playing late and dry summer, not so lucky in NZ wet weather...

Problem is not only in test, our ODI team is full of players who cannot play shots against seamers, last two WCs (we could not chase 262 against India in Mohali), last WC we were worst batting side even worse than BD/WI...We have no stroke makers, nobody can pull/cut, everybody is put on band wagon of blocking(seamers) and sweep spinners on low bounce, this is all we got?? And PCB wants to continue this non-sense till 2020 with 45 year old players, slow the game further down...

Pakistan needs to stop playing in UAE, this cricket is killing us...

 

[Saj]

Isn't source of problem is playing in worst pitches of UAE? - Our batsmen have very limited range of shots, they cannot play bounce or pace.

Spot on. They will succeed once in a while but fail most of the time.

 

[Waqarkhan]

They need to show some guts as shoaib akhtar always says lol

 

[Ellipsism]

Right or wrong , Imran Khan used to pick players based upon talent and ability and not stats. I'm not too impressed with Hasan but Mudassar definitely looks promising.

Hassan is a good LO bowler, accurate and has an array of variations. If he can add upon his pace he can become a good test bowler.

Mudassar is the the real deal.

 

[Jabo]

It was expected

 

[KingKhanWC]

It was expected

Not this bad.

Pakistan batsmen need to learn, most balls can be left on bounce.

 

[moghul]

Not this bad.

Pakistan batsmen need to learn, most balls can be left on bounce.

No, they have passed their age to learn, at least two of them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, they have passed their age to learn, at least two of them.

Send them back to school before the second innings.

 

[Fireworks11]

Very poor. Negative batting. Allowing the bowlers to dictate.