Let's be honest. We just are not good enough

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan won the Emerging Cup by selecting 30 year olds who have played internationals for Pakistan. While India fielded a squad full of U-23 players who are not even in reckoning for national team selection

Look at what happened in Asian Games where both India & Pakistan selected their actual B teams. India won Gold while Pakistan lost to both Afghanistan & Bangladesh & returned without any medal

Saying stuff like Pakistan has so much talent bcoz they won Emerging Cup is precisely the sort of delusional thinking that has landed Pakistan cricket in such a mess. Same thinking as Pakistan is best team bcoz they were No 1 in ICC Rankings. Or Babar is best bastman bcoz he was ranked No 1 in ICC

Under 19 world cup is a good indicator for subcontinent sides. India reached 4 back to back finals. Won two. BD won In 2018. Pakistan has been poor in U19 for a while. Shaheen one bright prospect.

 

[ads101]

The problem really is unsettled team and too many changes. It means we don’t even maximise the ability that we have regardless of being good enough.

Fakhar and Imam were a terrible pairing even last word cup. We should have been trying out different opening pairings ages ago. Abdullah was thrown in way too late.

Same with saud. Way too late.

Having a player like Shadab is fine. But he should only be playing as a no.8 bowler who can bat. Nawaz and him are basically the same player. We should have developed a proper spinner alongside to be used on spinning pitches. Instead we are playing nawaz and shadab same time. Shadab had no competition for his place as a result.

For pacers. Naseem got injured we brought in hasan from out of the blue. Hasan and Haris in same team does not feel great. However we should have had a proper backup in fast bowlers for ages. Mohammed Wasim has been that, but we don’t trust him. Not saying he was the answer, but then was a waste of development, why were we giving him precious games. Not having a single designated back up fast bowler is very strange.

 

[NishanKonar]

They selected one 29 year old in tayyab tahir lol.

Rest were all youngsters. Saim is 20, Haris 22 etc. Afghanistan were nearly at full strength international. They had more unfair advantages then we did.

Anybody who follows Pakistan cricket knows that Pakistani cricketers fake their ages by 3-4 years if n not more

Anyways even if I assume Harris is 22 - he is already a full international for Pakistan. Same with few other players in that squad. Its like India selecting Yash Jaiswal or Ruturaj Gaikwad for Emerging Cup. Instead India selected completely new young players to groom them for the long term future. How did Pakistan benefit by beating a U-23 Indian team full of green horned newbies with a team full of internationals ?

The actual B team India selected for Asian Games won the Asian Games Gold while Pakistan lost to Afghanistan & Bangladesh. Tells you actual difference in bench strength

Same mistake made by Pakistan's senior team. Kept playing full strength team against B / C teams of other nations & gained false sense of superiority- only to have the bubble burst in Asia Cup & World Cup

 

[RyanRyan10]

They selected one 29 year old in tayyab tahir lol.

Rest were all youngsters. Saim is 20, Haris 22 etc. Afghanistan were nearly at full strength international. They had more unfair advantages then we did.

They also had a 27 years old Shahibzada Farhan. Guys like M Haris, Saim Ayub, Dahani, Arshad Iqbal, Wasim Jr were all part of the squad. All these guys have played for Pakistan international side. India had 0 capped international players.

 

[NishanKonar]

Under 19 world cup is a good indicator for subcontinent sides. India reached 4 back to back finals. Won two. BD won In 2018. Pakistan has been poor in U19 for a while. Shaheen one bright prospect.

To some extent true. Although both India & Pakistan tend to pick overage players for U-19 WC who excel in youth cricket but fail to graduate to senior level

Virat Kohli won U-19 WC as captain. From that team only 1 more guy made it big - Ravindra Jadeja !

 

[NishanKonar]

They also had a 27 years old Shahibzada Farhan. Guys like M Haris, Saim Ayub, Dahani, Arshad Iqbal, Wasim Jr were all part of the squad. All these guys have played for Pakistan international side. India had 0 capped international players.

That's what. Emerging Cup should be platform for young players who are yet to play for senior team

Winning Emerging Asia Cup with team full of internationals is of little use to Pakistan cricket except for hollow bragging rights. Just like their No 1 ICC rankings. I guess after the disastrous Asia Cup, Asian Games & World Cup campaigns - most people here will understand this !

 

[mominsaigol]

They also had a 27 years old Shahibzada Farhan. Guys like M Haris, Saim Ayub, Dahani, Arshad Iqbal, Wasim Jr were all part of the squad. All these guys have played for Pakistan international side. India had 0 capped international players.

That is fair. I'm more so stating that their is talent in Pakistan that's all.

Not that they have more talent then India, nor did I single out India

Just that talent shpuld be developed in Pakistan and can be developed.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Under 19 world cup is a good indicator for subcontinent sides. India reached 4 back to back finals. Won two. BD won In 2018. Pakistan has been poor in U19 for a while. Shaheen one bright prospect.

Not only in the subcontinent, but the U19 category also serves as a reliable indicator for talent in all countries.
Selections in the subcontinent are often not transparent.

2008 ICC U19 edition produced numerous international cricket stars worldwide:

Virat Kohli
Steve Smith
Kane Williams
Marcus Stoinis
Josh Hazlewood
Trent Boult
Tim Southee
Chris Woakes
Ravindra Jadeja
Umar Akmal
Imad Wasim
Darren Bravo
Phillip Hughes
Paul Stirling
James Faulkner
Wayne Parnell
Shan Masood
Ahmed Shehzad
Manish Pandey
Rubel Hossain
Steven Finn
Junaid Khan
Corey Anderson

 

[RyanRyan10]

That is fair. I'm more so stating that their is talent in Pakistan that's all.

Not that they have more talent then India, nor did I single out India

Just that talent shpuld be developed in Pakistan and can be developed.

Emerging Asia Cup isn't an indicator of how good the young talent of the country is. Sri Lanka won it in 2017 & 2018 but the same side has been an awful ODI side at the senior level till today.

This doesn't mean I am trying to suggest that Pak lacks talent. If we compare to Afghanistan then Pakistan's squad had better batting line up and much superior pace attack. Though, Afghanistan had a stronger spin bowling unit. Having said that, making wholesale changes just for the big event wouldn't be the right thing to do. For years, Pakistan has been chopping and changing too much. Their management needed to back the players they had given longer run. If these players fail then the management has to be held accountable. Some of the players, at least till now, have performed extremely poorly. They can surely pick better spinners if these spin bowlers don't improve in the remaining part of the tournament.

 

[Kroll]

We have always been a consistently inconsistent batting and fielding side. But I don't think I've ever seen our bowling as bad as this. Consistently going for 300+ runs on a regular basis or just not picking up enough wickets to threaten the opposition.

 

[Mamoon]

Just not good enough. Period.

No ability, no skill, no heart, no mentality, no resilience.

A deeply mediocre team in every aspect.

 

[JaDed]

Not only in the subcontinent, but the U19 category also serves as a reliable indicator for talent in all countries.
Selections in the subcontinent are often not transparent.

2008 ICC U19 edition produced numerous international cricket stars worldwide:

Virat Kohli
Steve Smith
Kane Williams
Marcus Stoinis
Josh Hazlewood
Trent Boult
Tim Southee
Chris Woakes
Ravindra Jadeja
Umar Akmal
Imad Wasim
Darren Bravo
Phillip Hughes
Paul Stirling
James Faulkner
Wayne Parnell
Shan Masood
Ahmed Shehzad
Manish Pandey
Rubel Hossain
Steven Finn
Junaid Khan
Corey Anderson

Wow all Pakistani players underachieved inspite of bursting into the scene with bang.

 

[Mamoon]

4 consecutive defeats for the number one team in the world.

 

[zaidihusain]

The caption who targets total of 280 against teams like Netherlands & Afghanistan can never win big matches in big tournaments as he clearly plays with defeatist mindset. Yes bowling was horrible in every match but top 6 batsman must be blamed for these 4 consecutive defeats

 

[160KPH]

The caption who targets total of 280 against teams like Netherlands & Afghanistan can never win big matches in big tournaments as he clearly plays with defeatist mindset. Yes bowling was horrible in every match but top 6 batsman must be blamed for these 4 consecutive defeats

Plenty of blame to go around. For me, we are missing quality spin in the side. Our spinners bowl too much garbage and struggle to get wickets.

 

[pillionrider]

It's easy to look at the tightest game in the WC and go overboard in praising Pakistan. But it was tight only because SA decided to pull off one of their legendary choke jobs.

But the number of missed runouts, the mostly ordinary bowling barring a few balls every over, the lack of the expected sight of a Pakistan team soaring and swooping on their victims when given any one of the innumerable chances they were given, the sub-mediocre captaincy - Pak have done nothing to show they deserve to be Top 4 this WC.

And the worst part is, they actually had enough players to make it to the semis, if they only had the mental gumption.

 

[Kianig89]

The whole team is average pathetic opening Batsman in Imam who gets a free ride, putting other batsmen under pressure middle order is non existent every time there is someone fluking a 30 , 40 to get to a meager Total fake allroukders and expensive fastbowlers with rookie spinner having no confidence a complete mockery it is, rather than captain the coach and selectors should be shown the door first

 

[Mamoon]

Four straight defeats and fans are celebrating because we “fought”

Not only are the players not good enough but the fans are not good enough either.

 

[Kianig89]

It's easy to look at the tightest game in the WC and go overboard in praising Pakistan. But it was tight only because SA decided to pull off one of their legendary choke jobs.

But the number of missed runouts, the mostly ordinary bowling barring a few balls every over, the lack of the expected sight of a Pakistan team soaring and swooping on their victims when given any one of the innumerable chances they were given, the sub-mediocre captaincy - Pak have done nothing to show they deserve to be Top 4 this WC.

And the worst part is, they actually had enough players to make it to the semis, if they only had the mental gumption.

Stop.fooling us ! Barring Babar and Shaheen who is the quality player in this side or may be your gauge of quality is substandard

 

[160KPH]

If anything, I think this match showed we are not good enough now but we can be good enough. Need a few changes and fixes and few different players to find form.

 

[Mamoon]

If anything, I think this match showed we are not good enough now but we can be good enough. Need a few changes and fixes and few different players to find form.

This match showed us that we are not good enough.

Two fluke dismissals to go with a lot of self-destruction on South Africa’s part but Pakistan still couldn’t close the game.

Just not good enough.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Four straight defeats and fans are celebrating because we “fought”

Not only are the players not good enough but the fans are not good enough either.

Don't you want them to accept the mediocrity?

 

[160KPH]

Four straight defeats and fans are celebrating because we “fought”

Not only are the players not good enough but the fans are not good enough either.

Brother, you’re a fan of the England team and they haven’t even managed to “fight” yet in a single match. I’d make sure you guys are able to defeat Netherlands before you start talking too much about our players or fans.

On top of that, everyone has been calling are team trash and overrated form the start. You guys were the defending WC champions and now the last few years of success will be remembered as a fluke as you guys return to your usual pre-2015 form.

 

[pillionrider]

Stop.fooling us ! Barring Babar and Shaheen who is the quality player in this side or may be your gauge of quality is substandard

You are overestimating other teams. You don't need to have players who are absolute beasts. Or toppers in their specialties. This WC campaign by Pak has been deeply lame for me. Unless you believe the gusto with which Netherlands and Afg have played most of their games is because all their players are quality.

 

[zaidihusain]

Four straight defeats and fans are celebrating because we “fought”

Not only are the players not good enough but the fans are not good enough either.

Because Pakistan fans have a habit of celebrating moral victories, individual performances / spells (like Wahab Riaz in 2015 WC), personal milestones

 

[Kianig89]

You are overestimating other teams. You don't need to have players who are absolute beasts. Or toppers in their specialties. This WC campaign by Pak has been deeply lame for me. Unless you believe the gusto with which Netherlands and Afg have played most of their games is because all their players are quality.

Got it, you are comparing Pakistan with Netherlands and Afghanistan actually yes we've fallen to their level otherwise we don't have a David Warner Rohit Sharma QDK or Rachin Ravindra similarly Yadav Zampa Santner are in different league than other rubber spinners

 

[160KPH]

This match showed us that we are not good enough.

Two fluke dismissals to go with a lot of self-destruction on South Africa’s part but Pakistan still couldn’t close the game.

Just not good enough.

There’s no “we.” This was you in the match thread:

C’mon South Africa, one 50+ partnership from here and you’re home and Pakistan are out.

I have a buddy who loves to do this kind of thing.

 

[thanuu]

To be fair, if Aus and Ind would've been in the same position as pak was today they would have sent RSA packing.
Pak pacers bowled well but they lacked skill. yorkers with that raw pace could ve been deadly

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I don’t even remember Kohli’s century against Afghanistan lol.

Some amusing posts here about Indian fans. If Kohli performed like Babar in this wc Indian fans would had asked for his head.

Yup true. Man makes millions because of us we will question him as well

 

[pillionrider]

Got it, you are comparing Pakistan with Netherlands and Afghanistan actually yes we've fallen to their level otherwise we don't have a David Warner Rohit Sharma QDK or Rachin Ravindra similarly Yadav Zampa Santner are in different league than other rubber spinners

I'm actually doing worse. I'm saying Pakistan haven't even shown the fighting spirit of those two sides.

When Markram got out and I saw the fumbles in the captaincy and fielding, I felt I didn't care a bit whether this team made it or not. I actually felt they didn't deserve to.

 

[Mamoon]

There’s no “we.” This was you in the match thread:

You just like trolling us Pakistani fans by pretending to be one so your criticism seem more unbiased. I have a buddy who loves to do this kind of thing

I support Pakistan but I don’t support mediocrity. I support Pakistan because unfortunately I am a Pakistani. Not because I’m proud to be or anything.

 

[160KPH]

I support Pakistan but I don’t support mediocrity. I support Pakistan because unfortunately I am a Pakistani. Not because I’m proud to be or anything.

If you support Pakistan because you’re Pakistani then why would you root for the other team while the match is in a competitive spot

 

[hass]

To be fair, if Aus and Ind would've been in the same position as pak was today they would have sent RSA packing.
Pak pacers bowled well but they lacked skill. yorkers with that raw pace could ve been deadly

To lose from the position Pakistan got into was pathetic.

 

[Sunzi]

We need to fall even deeper. We will either fight and come back stronger or fade in to the abyss.

 

[160KPH]

Aren't you the same guy who changes nationality wherever it's in your benefit, last time you suddenly became American when I speak up a truth about Pakistan which is sad but true.

Correct me if I'm wrong

Also unlike you, @Mamoon understands this. It’s the reason he’s a fan of English cricket as well.

 

[Rana]

South Africa would have smashed 400 if they batted first

They are terrible chasers. Pakistan are not on the level of the top 5-6 teams of world cricket

 

[Mamoon]

Brother, you’re a fan of the England team and they haven’t even managed to “fight” yet in a single match. I’d make sure you guys are able to defeat Netherlands before you start talking too much about our players or fans.

On top of that, everyone has been calling are team trash and overrated form the start. You guys were the defending WC champions and now the last few years of success will be remembered as a fluke as you guys return to your usual pre-2015 form.

I’m not a fan of the England. I admire the way they have played their cricket especially in white ball just like I admire India.

I’m a Pakistani fan because I have the misfortune of being a Pakistani. If I was a neutral, Pakistan would have been the last country or the last cricket team that I would care about.

There is nothing that I like or have ever liked about Pakistan cricket. I despise our cricket culture and I despise everything about our cricket and also our fans.

Pakistan is the most intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world. The players, the fans, the ex-players, the media, the analysts - 99% of them don’t know the first thing about cricket. Their cricketing IQ is 0.

The fact that you are juxtaposing England and Pakistan in this World Cup says a lot about you as well.

It is perfectly fine to have a World Cup like this every now and then. Team have such moments. For England, we can see what went wrong and what they need to fix and they will fix it and come back strong because they have the resources and the game awareness and intelligence.

England have won two World Cups in the last four years, they have been a proper number 1 ranked side that beat all top teams with their full-strength players at their disposal.

I would be more than happy to see Pakistan “fluke” their way to two World Cups in four years and be a genuine number 1 ranked team but Pakistan can never go on a run like this because it is not good enough to do so.

When Pakistan wins they have no idea why they won and when they lose they have no idea why they lost. They keep focusing on the wrong things. They keep interpreting things the wrong way.

I come to this forum every day and I’m appalled - and disgusted - to see how poorly people read the game here and how shocking their assessments are and these are supposed to be the cricket nerds.

If they are so intellectually bankrupt, what hope do we have for the general fans? They know nothing apart from conspiracy theories and playing the victim card.

Pakistan is known all over the cricket world for having the most delusional fans in the world and it is easy to see why. And the sad part is that it is not curable either.

Pakistan cricket is destined for perpetual mediocrity. There is no hope for the future. Nothing will ever change because we have no idea what it takes to be build a successful, high performance cricket culture.

I will continue to preach the truth here and I don’t care how people react. People have wanted my head on a stick for telling them things they don’t want to hear and it has been ongoing for 11 years and it will for continue for as long as I have the motivation to continue.

I have warned people of these times for 11 years. What do I gain from it? Nothing. I don’t get paid neither do I get a medal for putting myself in a position where I get nothing but insults and disrespect, but I do it because I care for Pakistan cricket and I care for its fans but if they don’t want to help themselves, maybe I should not waste my time.

 

[Arzy8]

Let’s disregard our players lack of technical and mental ability (difficult, I know) for a second- isn’t it saddening that some of our players are in genuinely worse shape than the average commercial gym-goer? Where is the professionalism and pride, not only for your country, but for yourself? The fitness levels of our players are embarrassing (including our captain) and that unfortunately seeps into the technical and mental aspects of the game, especially in pressure moments against more physically and mentally capable bowlers.

 

[Arzy8]

Let’s disregard our players lack of technical and mental ability (difficult, I know) for a second- isn’t it saddening that some of our players are in genuinely worse shape than the average commercial gym-goer? Where is the professionalism and pride, not only for your country, but for yourself? The fitness levels of our players are embarrassing (including our captain) and that unfortunately seeps into the technical and mental aspects of the game, especially in pressure moments against more physically and mentally capable bowlers.

meant to say ‘opposition players’ instead of ‘bowlers’ at the end.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Yes after this world cup i have realized. How bad standard of cricket we have. After every world cup we commit to make a quality team and so on. This is alarming situation now. We have to adopt modern cricketing skill else disastrous results are awaiting

 

[shokz1408]

Yes after this world cup i have realized. How bad standard of cricket we have. After every world cup we commit to make a quality team and so on. This is alarming situation now. We have to adopt modern cricketing skill else disastrous results are awaiting

I knew we were poor before and predicted a group stage exit like many. You would have thought Asia cup should have sent some alarm bells ringing, if not the cricket prior. But they thought persisting with mediocrity for years, and perhaps some players match winning performances from 5 years ago will make a difference in this World Cup.

 

[NeVerMind]

I’m not a fan of the England. I admire the way they have played their cricket especially in white ball just like I admire India.

I’m a Pakistani fan because I have the misfortune of being a Pakistani. If I was a neutral, Pakistan would have been the last country or the last cricket team that I would care about.

There is nothing that I like or have ever liked about Pakistan cricket. I despise our cricket culture and I despise everything about our cricket and also our fans.

Pakistan is the most intellectually bankrupt cricket nation in the world. The players, the fans, the ex-players, the media, the analysts - 99% of them don’t know the first thing about cricket. Their cricketing IQ is 0.

The fact that you are juxtaposing England and Pakistan in this World Cup says a lot about you as well.

It is perfectly fine to have a World Cup like this every now and then. Team have such moments. For England, we can see what went wrong and what they need to fix and they will fix it and come back strong because they have the resources and the game awareness and intelligence.

England have won two World Cups in the last four years, they have been a proper number 1 ranked side that beat all top teams with their full-strength players at their disposal.

I would be more than happy to see Pakistan “fluke” their way to two World Cups in four years and be a genuine number 1 ranked team but Pakistan can never go on a run like this because it is not good enough to do so.

When Pakistan wins they have no idea why they won and when they lose they have no idea why they lost. They keep focusing on the wrong things. They keep interpreting things the wrong way.

I come to this forum every day and I’m appalled - and disgusted - to see how poorly people read the game here and how shocking their assessments are and these are supposed to be the cricket nerds.

If they are so intellectually bankrupt, what hope do we have for the general fans? They know nothing apart from conspiracy theories and playing the victim card.

Pakistan is known all over the cricket world for having the most delusional fans in the world and it is easy to see why. And the sad part is that it is not curable either.

Pakistan cricket is destined for perpetual mediocrity. There is no hope for the future. Nothing will ever change because we have no idea what it takes to be build a successful, high performance cricket culture.

I will continue to preach the truth here and I don’t care how people react. People have wanted my head on a stick for telling them things they don’t want to hear and it has been ongoing for 11 years and it will for continue for as long as I have the motivation to continue.

I have warned people of these times for 11 years. What do I gain from it? Nothing. I don’t get paid neither do I get a medal for putting myself in a position where I get nothing but insults and disrespect, but I do it because I care for Pakistan cricket and I care for its fans but if they don’t want to help themselves, maybe I should not waste my time.

You say you despise the Pakistani cricket culture and it's fans...then you say you care about Pakistan cricket and it's fans...dude, make up your mind. Afterall, it's only a game, son.

Have you ever added up all the time you've spent writing these detailed posts on PP, a forum for the fans you despise so much and dedicated to a team that makes your blood curl? Why do you go though all that trouble when you could have done some other good with your time?

I am hurt but I don't take it to the heart..life has dealt me with enough pain and misery in the last few years to know that this does not matter in the grand scheme of things and it is a nice distraction, that's all. There was a time when I took it all too seriously too. Chin up and look forward to the next game...

 

[gazza619]

I was hurt earlier but the fact that our establishment is also hurt, is rather a satisfying thought.

 

[Technics 1210]

Afghanistan and South Africa caught Pakistan on a bad day. Pakistan were missing Naseem Shah badly vs Afg and SA, and the infighting doesn't help Pakistan, but helps other teams.

Match against India was the biggest orchestrated game in history anyway.

New Zealand game could have gone either way.

Reality is Pakistan team are not clicking together, sometimes the bowling is ok but batting is poor, and vice versa.

Still it could have been worse, could have been England, who are brimming with talent and 2 defending WCs, but have easily been the worse performing team thus far.

 

[Kroll]

Might be stating the obvious here. But complete reboot is necessary, not doing significant culls means we are embracing and accepting mediocrity.

The top order is crap but when it fails, the lower order is even worse, Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz isn't going to scare anyone. Kick out Imam and those three for starters.

Slow and weak openers hasn't worked and neither has bits n pieces in the lower middle order.

 

[Technics 1210]

When Rauf caught and bowled, and SA were 9 down, the Pakistan nation held its breath, the real fans of Pakistan witnessed a glimpse of the old skool Pakistan jazba that has been lacking in this WC, while the haters creamed their pants.

Pakistan are the most unpredictable and dangerous side for this reason. We can gain a million hearts and torpedo haters within an over.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Afghanistan and South Africa caught Pakistan on a bad day. Pakistan were missing Naseem Shah badly vs Afg and SA, and the infighting doesn't help Pakistan, but helps other teams.

Match against India was the biggest orchestrated game in history anyway.

New Zealand game could have gone either way.

Reality is Pakistan team are not clicking together, sometimes the bowling is ok but batting is poor, and vice versa.

Still it could have been worse, could have been England, who are brimming with talent and 2 defending WCs, but have easily been the worse performing team thus far.

So you mean Pakistan lost on purpose in the orchestrated Indian win?

 

[Rana]

Afghanistan and South Africa caught Pakistan on a bad day. Pakistan were missing Naseem Shah badly vs Afg and SA, and the infighting doesn't help Pakistan, but helps other teams.

Match against India was the biggest orchestrated game in history anyway.

New Zealand game could have gone either way.

Reality is Pakistan team are not clicking together, sometimes the bowling is ok but batting is poor, and vice versa.

Still it could have been worse, could have been England, who are brimming with talent and 2 defending WCs, but have easily been the worse performing team thus far.

This can be counter argued by saying Pakistan caught Netherlands and Sri Lanka on a bad day

 

[Technics 1210]

Haters in discourse. When SA were wickets falling, SA were choking and wickets were a fluke.

So much so when Shaheen Shah Afridi was TOP of the wicket takers list last night, the haters rushed out for the Kleenex cos their heart throb Bhumra was walking wounded.

 

[Technics 1210]

This can be counter argued by saying Pakistan caught Netherlands and Sri Lanka on a bad day

You have no argument to counter anyway, because hate is a mindset not an emotion, or a even a point - hate is a disease.

 

[Rana]

You have no argument to counter anyway, because hate is a mindset not an emotion, or a even a point - hate is a disease.

And you are filled with love?

 

[Technics 1210]

And you are filled with love?

Love for Pakistan indeed.

Love in unconditional. win or lose.

At least I dont pretend to be Pakistani, or am embarrassed to be Pakistani, or claim to hate Pakistan and still support/follow them! Worse of all I don't revel with arch rival fans in dissing Pakistan.

Your love however is conditional and fake, but your hate is unconditional and real, which sums up your hateful mindset with a pretentious attitude, a void that shall never be filled.

Now go deal with Rizwan and the Karachi media as you boasted. Let us know how it works out!

 

[Rana]

Love for Pakistan indeed.

Love in unconditional. win or lose.

At least I dont pretend to be Pakistani, or am embarrassed to be Pakistani, or claim to hate Pakistan and still support/follow them! Worse of all I don't revel with arch rival fans in dissing Pakistan.

Your love however is conditional and fake, but your hate is unconditional and real, which sums up your hateful mindset with a pretentious attitude, a void that shall never be filled.

Now go deal with Rizwan and the Karachi media as you boasted. Let us know how it works out!

Wow. That’s so moving and eye opening…

 

[mominsaigol]

Love for Pakistan indeed.

Love in unconditional. win or lose.

At least I dont pretend to be Pakistani, or am embarrassed to be Pakistani, or claim to hate Pakistan and still support/follow them! Worse of all I don't revel with arch rival fans in dissing Pakistan.

Your love however is conditional and fake, but your hate is unconditional and real, which sums up your hateful mindset with a pretentious attitude, a void that shall never be filled.

Now go deal with Rizwan and the Karachi media as you boasted. Let us know how it works out!

What I don't get Is, I came here stating I'm an Australian supporters and a NZ supporters yet you still called me a pakistani hater .

Zero logic.

 

[mominsaigol]

Wow. That’s so moving and eye opening…

Your love however is conditional and fake, but your hate is unconditional and real, which sums up your hateful mindset with a pretentious attitude, a void that shall never be filled.

 

[Mamoon]

When Rauf caught and bowled, and SA were 9 down, the Pakistan nation held its breath, the real fans of Pakistan witnessed a glimpse of the old skool Pakistan jazba that has been lacking in this WC, while the haters creamed their pants.

Pakistan are the most unpredictable and dangerous side for this reason. We can gain a million hearts and torpedo haters within an over.

Pakistan are the most unpredictable and dangerous side for this reason. We can gain a million hearts and torpedo haters within an over.

The most “unpredictable” team has lost 4 matches in a row.

The most “dangerous” team will be booted out of the World Cup before the knockouts.

 

[Kriketer]

Look at all the usual nag brigade out dancing on all the threads posting their usual negativity.

We should make a site for these nags called PakNoPassion.com, so the name aligns with their nagging mindset

 

[Kriketer]

Love for Pakistan indeed.

Love in unconditional. win or lose.

At least I dont pretend to be Pakistani, or am embarrassed to be Pakistani, or claim to hate Pakistan and still support/follow them! Worse of all I don't revel with arch rival fans in dissing Pakistan.

Your love however is conditional and fake, but your hate is unconditional and real, which sums up your hateful mindset with a pretentious attitude, a void that shall never be filled.

Now go deal with Rizwan and the Karachi media as you boasted. Let us know how it works out!

Good share that's what a true fan is, through thick or thin gotta back the team. I don't even get why these nags even bother showing up posting their cries and whines when they can't even support their own team, why do you even watch it and torture yourself lol?

It's one thing being a reasonable critic with balanced approach, but another when anything and everything is wrong with only Pakistan team and always sharing your Khala Khairan nags. Quite comical really

 

[ghalib kichlu]

Its all to do with form
None of our batters are in any type of form compared to the likes of Travis head
And none of our bowlers look like performing the same way the likes of jansen and kuldeep have done on indian soil

The whole squad is under cooked, low on confidence, no trust in captain, nepotism in the ranks and sadly no wicket taking spinners
Players have been injured, picked up colds, had shoulder injuries which either means they've been over worked or not worked enough

In the last two world cups we have performed to our best with limited resource,this world cup we were no.1 and have not performed to the sum of our parts

We can no longer blame fixing and the likes of sharjeel and latif etc
The onus in on management and the selection committee and this time there is nowhere to hide

 

[Gullycricket]

After making this thread, I see again and again CT win being brought up. Please remember this is a different format, much more rigorous. Here only top teams will proceed since you need to win lot more games to qualify. Look at South Africa. They lost to Ned still they are in top 2. While as with last year T20 WC format or CT format they might be in danger of exit. PCT is just not good enough to win consistently 4 , 5 matches on the trot against top teams with whatever players OP selects or any poster here selects. It's a fact. Thats why PCT is struggling. India has made semis on Last 4 occasions since this format was introduced in. 2011. Why? Because they can consistently perform. We just can't because we are not good enough with any set of players currently. Maybe in a few years with rumours of potential changes in 2027 WC format which may help luck dependent teams like PCT

 

[FearlessRoar]

We simply don't deserve to play Semi-final

 

[aukhan]

Blood boiling performance through out this world cup.

 

[hassan918]

Our bowling is certainly not good enough still but with Fakhar firing all cylinders, the batting certainly looks good enough to trouble any bowling attack.

 

[160KPH]

Our bowling is certainly not good enough still but with Fakhar firing all cylinders, the batting certainly looks good enough to trouble any bowling attack.

Yeah it’s mainly the bowling - and particularly the lack of a wicket taking spinner in the middle overs that’s been letting us down.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Four seats are already booked now. We are late to reach the station. Heart broken.

 

[shokz1408]

This much is true. We rely on miracles. And only one player who can provide that miracle in Fakhar.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Four seats are already booked now. We are late to reach the station. Heart broken.

You have us great memories in this World Cup.

 

[Rana]

Forget we are not good enough…

We are not honest enough as a cricket nation either. @Mamoon was always right

 

[Thephenom]

I said back in 2019 we needed to keep 4 or 5 players then fill the rest of the team with young talent and allow them to mature, we need to find some power hitters and spinners who can actually spin the ball and a genuine all rounder

 

[Arzy8]

This World Cup campaign confirmed the suspicions of many. Babar’s poor captaincy and tendency to buckle under pressure, our bowlers not being geared for the longer formats (particularly Rauf and the spinners) and the same technical weaknesses that certain players have had for years coming back to haunt us. We were a mid-table team going into this tournament and will rightly finish mid-table. Genuine accountability will be the required first step to rectify our current (and historical) situation, though in Pakistan, genuine accountability seems a far cry, not only in cricket.

 

[Saj]

Pakistan does not deserve to be in the semi-finals.

They have woken up in the last 2 matches but it was too little too late.

Too many players have underperformed and the brand of cricket they have been playing for most of the tournament has been timid, weak and outdated.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Please accept the fact. Our team was not capable of winning the World Cup. It's good that deserving teams have qualified for the semi-finals.

 

[I think therfore I am]

Let's be honest Pakistan cricket team is the definition of Insanity

 

[Bhaijaan]

Forget we are not good enough…

We are not honest enough as a cricket nation either. @Mamoon was always right

@Mamoon was never given the respect he deserved and now sadly I see the same happening to you. You have made valid points since last 2 months and all I see is ridicule from Rizwan fans

 

[Asad T]

This series against Australia just shows again that we are not good enough.

Perth we got destroyed
MCG, yes it was close, but we just flopped from a strong position. And I think any avid follower of Pakistan cricket knew we would fall short.
SCG, we are 5 down in the 2nd session on a slower batting pitch.

Mentally weak, batter playing loose shots, dropping easy cathes, no spinner, pacers are too slow. We really are just not good enough.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Let's accept that Australia is superior to us in all departments batting, bowling, fielding and fitness.