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I do feel the irony of Amir's return now. No doubt he is a great bowler. But lets face it he is only back due to his talent as a fast bowler.
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Letting Mohammad Amir back in, the current situation with Sharjeel Khan became inevitable
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Asif was more talented.. is he back yet?
The only reason Amir is back is because he was 18 years old when he committed the crime. Law is always lenient on folks who are too young or too old.
In the country that you reside in 18 isn't even old enough to drink.
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The 2010 Trio case sentences cannot be held as an excuse in this case
As Khalid Latif and Sharjeel Khan's name has been mentioned to be linked towards corruption in cricket by the PCB, many posters around here are using the sentences of Amir and Co as an excuse of why this corruption took place.
Although i was always in favor of the Trio being banned for life, but the sentence of that case would had not really mattered here.
Even a 5 year ban is no joke. The proceedings of Amir, Asif and Butt are still fresh in everyone's mind till this day, but the problem is some just dont learn.
This is crime in Saudia Arabia. You know the sentences are very harsh, but yet crime still happens there, it cannot be fully eradicated.
If Amir, Asif and Butt were banned for life, this corruption or approach would had still happened, you cannot stop everyone.
Didn't Danish Kaneria's corruption case happened right after the 2010 spot fixing case? So when he never took example from that case, why do you expect other players to take example?
All i'm saying is that the case and treatment of Amir and Co is irrelevant in this case. If it was relevant here, then i guess Ata ur rehman or Saleem Malik's life ban was suppose to not allow Amir and co to cheat and corrupt, but yet they still did, which is why you can't expect the current lot to think other wise aswell, even if Amir and Co were life bannned
As Khalid Latif and Sharjeel Khan's name has been mentioned to be linked towards corruption in cricket by the PCB, many posters around here are using the sentences of Amir and Co as an excuse of why this corruption took place.
Although i was always in favor of the Trio being banned for life, but the sentence of that case would had not really mattered here.
Even a 5 year ban is no joke. The proceedings of Amir, Asif and Butt are still fresh in everyone's mind till this day, but the problem is some just dont learn.
This is crime in Saudia Arabia. You know the sentences are very harsh, but yet crime still happens there, it cannot be fully eradicated.
If Amir, Asif and Butt were banned for life, this corruption or approach would had still happened, you cannot stop everyone.
Didn't Danish Kaneria's corruption case happened right after the 2010 spot fixing case? So when he never took example from that case, why do you expect other players to take example?
All i'm saying is that the case and treatment of Amir and Co is irrelevant in this case. If it was relevant here, then i guess Ata ur rehman or Saleem Malik's life ban was suppose to not allow Amir and co to cheat and corrupt, but yet they still did, which is why you can't expect the current lot to think other wise aswell, even if Amir and Co were life bannned
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Yeah, but again, if the player know that if they get caught, there is no coming back, they will think twice, but when they know that they will be allowed back in because they are talented, it makes a difference.
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There is no stopping Asif from playing domestic matches. Him and Salman Butt are available for selection. So not did you just bring back one criminal you brought back three criminals.
Now the real question is would this life ban have served any purpose? The answer to that question is yes it would. It would have showed a strong PCB. Showed how it won't tolerate such acts. Since we now have these three back PCB would look like fools to life banning them instead of this trio who did a far worser crime.
When you are a professional organization you must lay strict punishments. In order to get better out of the structure you are trying to create. If the players still persisted on doing crimes they would get the same punishment.
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no it does not make a difference.
You know doping can get you an year ban? Does that stop players from doping? Yes it does.
Even a year ban of cricket is serious for everyone, stop pretending that players dont case about bans at all..
Lust for money is just something that makes everything else irrelevant
You think that the two guys in their 30's who are currently accused could come back?
Think carefully about what happened in 2010. We are nearly 7 years on, and two of the three players have never come back to international cricket.
The problem is not soft sentencing. It is that players who are adults are evaluating whether the rewards for fixing justify the penalty that they might have to pay.
And it appears that some players think that either
1. they are too old to have much future earning capacity, or
2. they aren't good enough ever to establish themselves as international cricketers, or
3. vendettas are obstructing them from establishing themselves as international cricketers.
Short of the death penalty, no sentence severity would be enough to discourage those three groups from fixing.
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Let back in after a minimum of 6 years. That's no joke. So I don't see how Amir and co are responsible for this saga
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You think five years taken from you is a joke? You think getting your name (and your family's aswell) dragged through the mud is something anyone would want?
Some of you have no coherent thought process. Any player would be mortified if they are subjected to the kind of pressure Amir was at that time. Sitting in that chair, in the comfort of your house/office, a five year ban and jail time would look quite a formality for some of you lot. Get out of the house a bit more to understand real life is a bit more tougher than that.
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If you were gonna punish them this aggressively why did you bring em back to the same sport they tainted?
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just stop it bro. No one will be allowed back. You have to be extremely foolish to have such an idea in your brain. Stop putting mud on others for their crimes.
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Wow, five year Jail time? WOW. You have not read up on the facts of the case have you?
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Why are you asking me a question you fully well know the answer to?
My post was more about the content of the OP, which is absolute rubbish.
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And you know this because ...? Remember, a player was allowed back after he was being convicted and the captain of the one-day team and star all-rounder were threatened to be ousted from the national and team and kicked out from PSL because they didn't want him back..
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not to forget Amir was extremely rare exception. I don't think it would ever happen again even if the player is 15 years old. PCB is doing a lot of things on the grass root level against corruption to meet ICC standars. Some people have no idea. There is like 15-20 off spinners completely vanished from domestic cricket over chucking ever since ICC made their changes in the laws. PCB is doing something right and credit must be given.
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Amir got a five year ban AND jail-time (that he was let off for good behaviour is a different story). Getting all excited now are we?
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I fully agree that these new players who did corruption deserve to be responsible for there own actions. However your defence of this trio was very flawed. The reason for that is cause you tried to defend the length of time they were off by exgeratting the punishment they suffered. In any cricketting sense a person would know these three were forgiven due to there talent. Had PCB done the right thing by life banning them, life banning these newbies would not feel like it was due to them not being favorites.
Do you now understand the hypocritcy now?
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People are not fools and know that the ban and jail was done by ECB and England. PCB did nothing except try to forgive their sentences and pardon them
So of course players thought that doing in PSL is ok as PCB would do nothing
I find it hilarious that people claim that the trio was given exemplary punishment when every single person knows PCBs did not do a single thing to them, it was ECB. PCB never punished anyone, always kept pardoning people like Asif and Akhtar. So the news to them was, dont get caught in England. In PSL your board will save you
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No, we dont know the answer. What punishment did PCB and Pak fans give them except treating them like war heroes every step? Dont try to pretend you guys had any hand in the punishment. it was ICC and ECB.
The only think PCB and Pak fans did was counting down to when Amir could just walk back into the team and treating him as a tragic hero is the meantime
Amir would have got zero punishment if he had been caught in Pakistan.
Sorry, but this is as wildly incorrect as your endless posts of fiction about Asif.
The ICC had jurisdiction for the Amir/Asif/Butt case, along with the English courts. And the sentences were not just appropriate, they were confirmed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
If the PCB had added additional punishment they would have been punished by the ICC and crucified by CAS.
As for Asif, as usual, get your facts right.
1. The PCB gave him an excessive, legally unjustifiable ban in 2008-9 on Ijaz Butt's whim when he extended the IPL ban even though in drugs terms the IPL was then in terms of drugs policy a rogue, outlaw, non-WADA compliant league because it refused to adopt WADA policies.
2. Mohammad Asif and Shoaib Akhtar were found Not Guilty on appeal in the 2006-07 anabolic steroids case. That makes your posts legally libellous. They were not "pardoned" - they were acquitted.
3. As you well know, the other Asif transgression, the trace quantity of opioids in a homeopathic medication in his wallet, did not lead to a conviction either, because the Dubai government considered it a waste of money to hold a trial, so they deported him instead.
Please quote your sources, I have not heard anyone else say these things, nor have I found them anywhere
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You obviously are not going to ban Amir now. And neither can one say that this incident wouldn't have happened if we didn't let Amir come back.
The premise is that you have to draw the line somewhere. You have to ensure that earning a living through cricket no longer remains an option for such cases irrespective of offender's talent, age or financial background. It won't stop instantly and it might still happen in future because malfeasance is entrenched in our society, and same society produce these cricketers. We don't think much about the consequences of our transgression before committing them. But we got to start from somewhere. It's only going to become more contagious if we don't take most stern action against most atrocious crime.
The premise is that you have to draw the line somewhere. You have to ensure that earning a living through cricket no longer remains an option for such cases irrespective of offender's talent, age or financial background. It won't stop instantly and it might still happen in future because malfeasance is entrenched in our society, and same society produce these cricketers. We don't think much about the consequences of our transgression before committing them. But we got to start from somewhere. It's only going to become more contagious if we don't take most stern action against most atrocious crime.
1. Mohammad Asif and Shoaib Akhtar found Not Guilty on appeal.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/300353.html
2. ICC failed to extend Asif 2008 IPL ban as IPL not WADA-compliant
http://midoff.blogspot.com.au/2008/07/wada-accuses-ipl-of-breaking-rules.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/02/india-rejects-wada-whereabouts-rule
3. Asif not convicted in UAE opium case
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cr...ped-Asif-Pakistan-paceman-deported-Dubai.html
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Lol at people suggesting that Amir cannot be banned again. Who said that he should be? The point is that you have to draw the line somewhere, and a no tolerance policy without exceptions, i.e. no he was juvenile, young, naive, bla bla bla rubbish.
However, some people are adamant that imposing life bans will not have a bigger impact than handing out 5 year bans, since the players will fix anyway.
Yeah, so why not stop punishing the fixers altogether since it's going to happen anyway? Why stop at 5 years? Why not make it 1 year or 6 months or just don't ban them at all, since it is not going to make a difference anyway.
However, some people are adamant that imposing life bans will not have a bigger impact than handing out 5 year bans, since the players will fix anyway.
Yeah, so why not stop punishing the fixers altogether since it's going to happen anyway? Why stop at 5 years? Why not make it 1 year or 6 months or just don't ban them at all, since it is not going to make a difference anyway.
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Come on OP.
Amir bowls at 145kph+ and swings it both ways. That Asia cup spell. That delivery to MJ in 2009 series.
And and, Amir was just 18 - which is an age you can get a driver's license and get to vote but but you can't figure out good from the bad. And you follow your captain's order even if it means to sell out your country. How could you ask for Amir to be banned for life? That poor soul!
Amir bowls at 145kph+ and swings it both ways. That Asia cup spell. That delivery to MJ in 2009 series.
And and, Amir was just 18 - which is an age you can get a driver's license and get to vote but but you can't figure out good from the bad. And you follow your captain's order even if it means to sell out your country. How could you ask for Amir to be banned for life? That poor soul!
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Lol that would be just ironic. If Ijaz Butt were in charge today I wouldn't have ruled out this possiblity but SK and Sethi have shown themselves to be a much better administrators.
Tbh, they have handled this mess so far quite professionally. Else you'd usually see statements and some more names doing the rounds of press.
Asif was not banned? In what world? He was banned for 2 years and he came back to International cricket during Champions Trophy 2009... where he played his first match against Australia after his return...
The guardian link has nothing to do with Asif's ban, and midoffblogspot.com is nothing reliable..
Asid was not convicted in case, but he was banned for 2 years for what he did.. so there is penalty for his offence he committed
I actually largely agree with you, but you have misunderstood the details.
The IPL banned Asif for one year. The ICC declined to extend that worldwide because the IPL was not WADA-compliant.
But the PCB was - as ever - trying to curry favour with the BCCI in order to resume tours, so Ijaz Butt extended the one year IPL ban - which ironically is how Asif missed the 2009 series in Sri Lanka, in which the Pakistan batsmen performed so suspiciously.
That's how Asif came to miss a year.
I don't subscribe to the "Poor Asif" or "Lucky Asif" position. If the PCB had banned him and Shoaib for four or five years in 2006-7 for steroids he probably would have had a stellar career from 2010 or 2011 which would have just ended gloriously in NZ and Australia.
By going soft on Asif they enabled him to destroy his own career!
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Usual appeasers are on show.
Won't be happy until Pakistan cricket is destroyed.
Won't be happy until Pakistan cricket is destroyed.
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Letting players named in Justice Qayyum report is the reason Sharjeel and Amir are in trouble..
What a stupid and flawed logic people come up here with.
What a stupid and flawed logic people come up here with.
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