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Liam Neeson has sparked a race row after making comments about once wanting to kill a black person.

He says he walked the streets with a weapon, hoping to kill someone as revenge after someone close to him was raped by a black man.

The actor, who was promoting his new film Cold Pursuit, told the Independent that "there's something primal" when you become angry.

The BBC has contacted Liam Neeson's representatives for comment.

In the interview, he said: "God forbid you've ever had a member of your family hurt under criminal conditions. I'll tell you a story. This is true."

Neeson said the alleged rape took place a long time ago and he found out about it when he came back from a trip abroad. The actor went on to use racially offensive language about the attacker.

He said: "She handled the situation of the rape in the most extraordinary way.

"But my immediate reaction was... I asked, did she know who it was? No. What colour were they? She said it was a black person.

"I went up and down areas with a cosh, hoping I'd be approached by somebody - I'm ashamed to say that - and I did it for maybe a week, hoping some [uses air quotes with fingers] 'black *******' would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could kill him."

Neeson, whose new film sees him star as a snowplough driver seeking revenge against drug dealers he thinks killed his son, has been subject to a lot of criticism on social media over the interview for what has been seen as racially charged comments.

Javon Johnson said on Twitter that the comments were "violently discarding black folks" but were also "haunted by patriarchy" because "he turned his friend's sexual assault into a platform for his own need to prove his male dominance."

Julia Craven added: "So Liam Neeson's response to a loved one being raped was to: 1. Ask the race of the assailant, which tells us his racism was deep rooted before the assault. 2. Roam through (presumably) black neighbourhoods in hopes of provoking a black person so that he could murder them."

Neeson referred back to his comments later in the interview, adding: "It was horrible, horrible, when I think back, that I did that. And I've never admitted that, and I'm saying it to a journalist. God forbid.

"It's awful. But I did learn a lesson from it."

The 66-year-old, who is best known for Schindler's List and the thriller series Taken, also described growing up in County Antrim, Northern Ireland, during the Troubles.

"I knew a couple of guys that died on hunger strike, and I had acquaintances who were very caught up in the Troubles, and I understand that need for revenge, but it just leads to more revenge, to more killing and more killing, and Northern Ireland's proof of that.

"All this stuff that's happening in the world, the violence, is proof of that, you know. But that primal need, I understand," he added.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47117177
 
I've listened to the comments in whole and he kept prefacing his comments with how ashamed he was to think that way and how awful the situation was. A non-issue.
 
He may have just shot himself in the foot. In this day and age of PCness, this is not going to fly..
 
He may have just shot himself in the foot. In this day and age of PCness, this is not going to fly..

I don't see a problem, he has been honest and admitted his attitude was wrong and that he is now thoroughly ashamed. He's 66 years old, in those days people used that sort of language quite liberally, doesn't mean it is acceptable any longer.
 
Liam Neeson has denied he is racist, after admitting he once set out to kill any black man who provoked him.

The actor has been facing a major racism storm since he made the comments in an interview, published by The Independent on Monday.

He said he walked the streets with a weapon around 40 years ago, hoping to take out his anger after someone close to him was raped by a black man.

But speaking on ABC's Good Morning America, Neeson said: "I'm not racist."

The Hollywood star told ABC's Robin Roberts on Tuesday that around 40 years ago, one of his close female friends told him she had been raped.

That friend, Neeson added, passed away five years ago.

Neeson said his friend's alleged rape made him want to take violent action.

He said: "I had never felt this feeling before which was a primal urge to lash out, and I asked her, 'did you know the person, was it a man?' No. 'Race?' She said it was a black man."

The actor said he "went out deliberately into black areas in the city looking to be set upon so that I could unleash physical violence".

He added: "I did it maybe four or five times."

The Taken star claimed he would have acted in the same way if his friend's assailant had been white.

He told ABC: "If she had said an Irish or a Scot or a Brit or a Lithuanian I would - I know I would - have had the same effect. I was trying to show honour, to stand up for my dear friend in this terribly medieval fashion."

Neeson said of his actions: "It shocked me and it hurt me. I did seek help."

The actor said he went to confession, and went power walking for two hours every day, to try to work through his anger.


Independent's interview

Neeson has been subject to huge criticism, since comments he made during an interview with The Independent were published on Monday.

He was speaking to promote his new film Cold Pursuit, a thriller about a man who seeks retribution after his son is murdered.

Asked how his character turns to anger, the actor replied that "something primal" kicks in when someone close to you is a victim of violence.

Los Angeles Times columnist Carla Hall wrote that Neeson's conduct was "despicable", adding that she now wants him to talk about whether he has dealt with "whatever racism he still harbours".

She wrote: "Was he a racist or just a tightly wound man capable of vindictive violence? Or was he both? Of course, he was a racist. He was roaming the streets trying to find a random black man to kill.

But in the ABC interview, Neeson claimed he wanted his original comments to start a wider conversation about racism.

Asked what he wanted people to learn from his experience, he told the host: "To talk. To open up.

"We all pretend we're all politically correct in this country...in mine, too. You sometimes just scratch the surface and you discover this racism and bigotry and it's there. "

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47133868
 
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If anything he should be applauded for admitting to such dreadful things and opening up on how he changed himself. Had he defended this or anything I could see the controversy, as is he admitted to thinking in such a way and expressed deep remorse and shame about it.

But nope, this world we live in either has good or bad guys, no grey area or common sense. Laughable.
 
Neeson's rage at the time was understandable. These days people are just waiting to lash out on anyone.
 
Neeson's rage at the time was understandable. These days people are just waiting to lash out on anyone.

Racial hatred is never "understandable", white men have comitted so many grave crimes such as rape, many middle aged white men go to Asia for that reason but that doesn't justify violence towards whites.
 
Racial hatred is never "understandable", white men have comitted so many grave crimes such as rape, many middle aged white men go to Asia for that reason but that doesn't justify violence towards whites.

It is an intrinsic human trait that surfaces when one undergoes a loss of something meaningful and dear to him/her. Some can control it, some cannot. It is not justified nor right but definitely understandable. There is a dark side to all of us, non of us are perfect, he was only being honest about his guilt.
 
For those judging Liam Neeson based on the headline, please read and watch his whole interview.
 
If anything he should be applauded for admitting to such dreadful things and opening up on how he changed himself. Had he defended this or anything I could see the controversy, as is he admitted to thinking in such a way and expressed deep remorse and shame about it.

But nope, this world we live in either has good or bad guys, no grey area or common sense. Laughable.

Defending your tribesman, I see.
 
If anything he should be applauded for admitting to such dreadful things and opening up on how he changed himself. Had he defended this or anything I could see the controversy, as is he admitted to thinking in such a way and expressed deep remorse and shame about it.

But nope, this world we live in either has good or bad guys, no grey area or common sense. Laughable.

You should never admit to what you actually think in public. You should always put on the fake mask when out in public. Especially if you are a celebrity.
 
It is an intrinsic human trait that surfaces when one undergoes a loss of something meaningful and dear to him/her. Some can control it, some cannot. It is not justified nor right but definitely understandable. There is a dark side to all of us, non of us are perfect, he was only being honest about his guilt.

Particularly in the context of the extremely broken and tribalistic society in which he grew up in. NI was very much an "our side" vs the rest society.

Of course his actions were horrible, but he overcame his prejudice and stands as an example of someone being honest and overcoming racism, why the criticism? If hed actually attacked someone I wouldnt be defending this
 
The PC people of today will never be able to take it sadly, he’s saying he’s ashamed and being honest with himself and others at the wrongness, leave him alone and go protest about how vaccines cause autism. This man is a very cool and grounded human.
 
Good on Liam to openly admit his past mistakes. Those criticizing him are as clueless as ever.
 
Further update:

The New York red carpet opening of Liam Neeson's latest film has been cancelled amid a row over his comments that he once wanted to kill a random black man after a friend was raped.

Reporters were told the event for Cold Pursuit was being pulled two hours before it was scheduled to happen.

Neeson has denied he is racist but the remarks, published by The Independent on Monday, sparked an outcry.

He said he had wanted to start a wider conversation about racism.

Organisers of the red carpet event said there would be no photographs or interviews at the New York City showing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47138980
 
Very honest and courageous of him to admit that when he was young he had racist thoughts, and that he realised it was disgraceful behaviour as time went on.
The wider debate this has raised is that this behaviour is a common human trait that all races and creeds possess subconsciously and with the passage of time, many lose the error of their ways.
 
A pathetic witch hunt going on...
Honestly, I am sick to death of these PC people trying to make something out of nothing.

I wasn’t going to see the film until it came on tv but I think I may have to visit the cinema now.
 
A pathetic witch hunt going on...
Honestly, I am sick to death of these PC people trying to make something out of nothing.

I wasn’t going to see the film until it came on tv but I think I may have to visit the cinema now.

There has actually been a suggestion that his agent would think this is the sort of 'bad publicity' which would see lots more theatre ticket sales as a result. I know there is a backlash against PC culture, but we'd be a lot worse off in the world without it in my opinion.
 
There has actually been a suggestion that his agent would think this is the sort of 'bad publicity' which would see lots more theatre ticket sales as a result. I know there is a backlash against PC culture, but we'd be a lot worse off in the world without it in my opinion.

Look I agree with you.
The world would be far worse off and to some extent its heartening that the UK news is highlighting this.
But in this case, the initial reviews of the film were good and it's not like Liam Neeson is hard up and needs this sort of publicity.

Also, if he hadn't mentioned that his reaction would have been the same had it been an Irish or Lithuanian rapist then I would probably take a different view.

Some people are calling it a brave move from Neeson. I think it was pretty stupid as he could have worded it differently.

Anyway, IMHO the radio talk hosts, news channels and the press are going way overboard with it..
 
Look I agree with you.
The world would be far worse off and to some extent its heartening that the UK news is highlighting this.
But in this case, the initial reviews of the film were good and it's not like Liam Neeson is hard up and needs this sort of publicity.

Also, if he hadn't mentioned that his reaction would have been the same had it been an Irish or Lithuanian rapist then I would probably take a different view.

Some people are calling it a brave move from Neeson. I think it was pretty stupid as he could have worded it differently.

Anyway, IMHO the radio talk hosts, news channels and the press are going way overboard with it..

I haven't followed any of the debates around this, but my initial response was probably not dissimilar to yours, I actually appreciate his honesty and as I said earlier, we need to appreciate this guy is 66 years old, so he comes from a time when such thinking was fairly common.

If people want to make a genuine fuss then perhaps they should be wondering how unlike Neeson, many people still feel this way, but probably don't air it publicly. The President of the free world said something similar about Mexicans I believe, and don't tell me he hasn't got a huge fan base.
 
I haven't followed any of the debates around this, but my initial response was probably not dissimilar to yours, I actually appreciate his honesty and as I said earlier, we need to appreciate this guy is 66 years old, so he comes from a time when such thinking was fairly common.

If people want to make a genuine fuss then perhaps they should be wondering how unlike Neeson, many people still feel this way, but probably don't air it publicly. The President of the free world said something similar about Mexicans I believe, and don't tell me he hasn't got a huge fan base.




I missed what the President of the free world said, can you post a link or say what he said, thanks.
 
The whole article would probably cause quite a bit of heartburn so click on the link advisedly, it's quite hard hitting.
 
The whole article would probably cause quite a bit of heartburn so click on the link advisedly, it's quite hard hitting.

So the women that appear at the border looking for refuge are lying and they are not escaping violence.

On one hand we are told they are escaping violence and need refugee status, but at the same time we are told it is racist to talk about why these women are seeking refugee status.

So why are these women seeking refugee status?.

Trump derangement syndrome 101.
 
So the women that appear at the border looking for refuge are lying and they are not escaping violence.

On one hand we are told they are escaping violence and need refugee status, but at the same time we are told it is racist to talk about why these women are seeking refugee status.

So why are these women seeking refugee status?.

Trump derangement syndrome 101.

No one is saying those women are lying, but to say that it is only the women who are telling the truth is not only racist, but sexist as well. You are telling only a partial story to suit your own agenda. There could be Mexican gays and transvestites among those men who are equally discriminated, but once they are all described as general rapists, they will get branded with that reputation whether innocent or guilty.
 
No one is saying those women are lying, but to say that it is only the women who are telling the truth is not only racist, but sexist as well. You are telling only a partial story to suit your own agenda. There could be Mexican gays and transvestites among those men who are equally discriminated, but once they are all described as general rapists, they will get branded with that reputation whether innocent or guilty.

I would accept that if you can provide a link to where Trump said that all Mexicans are rapists, this is where posters generally disappear, no one has been able to provide a link to where Trump said all Mexicans are rapists.
 
Just do a little research on what is real.

People without legal permission to migrate are much less likely to report being the victim of a crime or otherwise take actions which may jeopardize their ability to cross the border or remain in the United States. Although data is difficult to collect and analyze, Amnesty International reported in 2010 that the proportion of women and girls who are sexually assaulted over the course of their journey might be as high as 60%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_of_migrants_from_Latin_America_to_the_United_States
 
I would accept that if you can provide a link to where Trump said that all Mexicans are rapists, this is where posters generally disappear, no one has been able to provide a link to where Trump said all Mexicans are rapists.

Just do a little research on what is real.


He doesn't need to say all Mexicans are rapists, just by inferring that they are generally rapists he is preaching to his public. His vote base is going to include a large proportion of redneck racists and that is who the Mexican rapists jibe is aimed at. Read the article I quoted.
 
He doesn't need to say all Mexicans are rapists, just by inferring that they are generally rapists he is preaching to his public. His vote base is going to include a large proportion of redneck racists and that is who the Mexican rapists jibe is aimed at. Read the article I quoted.

Please provide a link to where he inferred that they are generally rapists.

I did read the article, even though it starts with a outright lie and falsehood. As long as people continue to turn a blind eye to what is happening and denying that women are being raped crossing the border the longer it will continue to happen.
 
Please provide a link to where he inferred that they are generally rapists.

I did read the article, even though it starts with a outright lie and falsehood. As long as people continue to turn a blind eye to what is happening and denying that women are being raped crossing the border the longer it will continue to happen.

The Amnesty international data you posted was from 2010, I think you need to post up to date relevant information to support the claim against current Mexican refugees. If Trump wants to build a wall, that's not going to help if those Mexican rapists already crossed over in 2010.
 
On Thursday, Trump did not provide any evidence to support his claim that rapes are taking place during the caravan in Mexico of asylum-seekers, nor did he identify the source of his information. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for that information.

Buzzfeed News immigration reporter Adolfo Flores, who has been traveling with the caravan for nearly two weeks, tweeted, "To be clear I haven’t heard of anyone being raped in or around the caravan." The caravan largely ended on Thursday, nowhere near the American border.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...caravan-being-raped-levels-never-seen-n863061


Some eye witness reporting for good measure.
 
The Amnesty international data you posted was from 2010, I think you need to post up to date relevant information to support the claim against current Mexican refugees. If Trump wants to build a wall, that's not going to help if those Mexican rapists already crossed over in 2010.

OK so to you its all about degrading Trump and not the truth.

Perpetrators of crimes against these migrants are often those involved with people smuggling, known as coyotaje.[3][4][5] They may also be bandits, members of criminal gangs, other migrants, or government employees in either Mexico or the U.S.[3][5][6] Sexual violence may be considered part of the "price" women must pay in order to be smuggled over the border.[1][5] Sexual violence, or threatening to sexually assault someone, may also be one part of a larger criminal plan to extort money from the migrants or their families.[1]

This is what is happening today, now. It is highly likely that women are being raped while we are discussing it.

Do you know what has changed since that Amnesty Int report, do you know what actions other POTUS have done to improve the situation. I'm sure you are going to reel of all the steps that Democrats did to protect these women when Obama was in power.
 
I'm still interested in the link where Trump inferred that all Mexicans are rapists.
 
I'm still interested in the link where Trump inferred that all Mexicans are rapists.

To be fair, he inferred the ones which were coming over to America, not the ones which stayed in Mexico, so I suppose it would be the Mexican population in America who are rapists or prodigy of rapists.
 
To be fair, he inferred the ones which were coming over to America, not the ones which stayed in Mexico, so I suppose it would be the Mexican population in America who are rapists or prodigy of rapists.

So he was talking about Mexicans that got their green card and migrated to America.
 
Can you elaborate on what you meant by this post?.

Yes I can but as the thread isn't about Trump, perhaps we should get back on track and stick to Neeson for now. We can take up the Trump quotes and elaborating in one of the dedicated threads about the US President.
 
Yes I can but as the thread isn't about Trump, perhaps we should get back on track and stick to Neeson for now. We can take up the Trump quotes and elaborating in one of the dedicated threads about the US President.

Started a thread, interested in your reply.
 
Stupid choice of words but he was admitting how stupid he was and the regret he has.

The LFC legend makes the best points.

 
Literally a non-issue. Social media and click-bait news channels with "horrifying" headlines have made people so soft to the point where there's more outcry about this from randoms than those it's supposedly meant to offend.
 
Irish people in general are very open about their racism they have a shocking track record lets not beat around the bush so I see it as no surprise that the people of Liam's country will be the first to defend him. Moreover, if you're not from the black minority how can you even begin to even have an opinion on what is offensive when your people either advocate racism in the past/present or can't remotely relate to it. This all goes beyond the current situation but every time something like this happens the vultures who are innately or subconsciously racist do a bhangra about all this being a non-issue etc they are usually the first to give their heartfelt verdict and how we should accept everything, tell that to Dr. King; then again an Irishman personally saw to it....
 
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