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Life without Misbah-ul-Haq... Pakistan still able to score 250!

Lets see how Pakistan score 250+ against better bowling attacks and restrict them to less than 250. This was Zimbabwe. If we can score like this against Lankans, India, West Indies, England, Australia, Saffers then we'll see if this thread has any value...
 
Lets see how Pakistan score 250+ against better bowling attacks and restrict them to less than 250. This was Zimbabwe. If we can score like this against Lankans, India, West Indies, England, Australia, Saffers then we'll see if this thread has any value...

Lol Pakistan lost an ODI and a test match from the same Zimbabwe under his tenure..if it wasn't for Wahab's cameo they might have knocked Misbah XI pretty early in the first round.

Anyway another series gone and Pakistan team still manages to put good ODI totals with no Misbah again.
 
Lol Pakistan lost an ODI and a test match from the same Zimbabwe under his tenure..if it wasn't for Wahab's cameo they might have knocked Misbah XI pretty early in the first round.

Anyway another series gone and Pakistan team still manages to put good ODI totals with no Misbah again.

Another series? When was the first?
 
Misbah failed as an ODI captain and left the team in dire straits, that is plain and simple. As a batsman, he provided incredible security to an extremely volatile lineup, but with the emergence of Azhar, Haris, hopefully Babar and potential resurgence of Malik, our ODI batting looks decent compared to the one man show it was a few years ago.

That is one reason why Asad is being given chances which continues to fall on deaf ears, but the idea is to bring a capable Test batsman in the post-Misbah and Younis ODI team to bring some steel that guys like Umar, Maqsood and Shehzad have failed to provide, however its a different matter that so far he has not provided any of those things, and looks incredibly stiff and wooden in this format so far.

However, the idea is there: the execution is the second step. Misbah's captaincy will never be missed in this format, and I don't think the new look batting lineup will be more vulnerable without him. We will either maintain the standards or simply improve on them slightly.

The worrying bit is our bowling; utter garbage at the moment, and with such an attack, we will struggle to beat any of the top 7 teams. I didn't think I'd ever say this about Pakistan cricket, but compared to bowling, batting seems to be our stronger suit at the moment.
 
Misbah failed as an ODI captain and left the team in dire straits, that is plain and simple. As a batsman, he provided incredible security to an extremely volatile lineup, but with the emergence of Azhar, Haris, hopefully Babar and potential resurgence of Malik, our ODI batting looks decent compared to the one man show it was a few years ago.

That is one reason why Asad is being given chances which continues to fall on deaf ears, but the idea is to bring a capable Test batsman in the post-Misbah and Younis ODI team to bring some steel that guys like Umar, Maqsood and Shehzad have failed to provide, however its a different matter that so far he has not provided any of those things, and looks incredibly stiff and wooden in this format so far.

However, the idea is there: the execution is the second step. Misbah's captaincy will never be missed in this format, and I don't think the new look batting lineup will be more vulnerable without him. We will either maintain the standards or simply improve on them slightly.

The worrying bit is our bowling; utter garbage at the moment, and with such an attack, we will struggle to beat any of the top 7 teams. I didn't think I'd ever say this about Pakistan cricket, but compared to bowling, batting seems to be our stronger suit at the moment.

Every time u repeat your support for shafiq papa in your team, u can't even comprehend the cringe I feel.

U talk about fawad Alam not being a good timer, right? But have u not seen how late ur bro gets when he is somehow trying to execute some pull shot of a spinner

A batsman that cant pick length up quickly cannot be an effective odI player. Accept it and move on.

End this hypocrisy. Shafiq, a modern day bat, my foot! :aamer
 
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People said we will miss Misbah badly and he was the only one holding our batting together. Everyone was saying if Misbah goes Pakistan will even struggle to cross 150..now what? With three experienced players out. Hafeez getting run out early. Pakistan still manages to post 250. Where are those wise men who were saying without Misbah's services Pakistan batting will not score even 200 odd we used to score.

The point of this thread is only to prove Pakistan was never out of players who could play the role of Misbah. I've mentioned in many other threads that even Azhar playing at his place under same circumstances would have had done better job. The only reason Pakistan hasn't been able to match other quality team's batting is because we are missing out of some quality stroke makers+few all rounders and long tail doesn't help either.

Pakistan's batting will never miss Misbah in ODIs. The only people you might miss are Umar Akmal and Afridi. good luck for next game.

Doesn't matter what you say. The captain Misbah that took us down over 4 years of ODIs will remain a hero in their eyes, despite the evidence.
 
Doesn't matter what you say. The captain Misbah that took us down over 4 years of ODIs will remain a hero in their eyes, despite the evidence.

Yeah seems like they just can't accept that they were wrong and that whole philosophy of Misbah's batting was pretty much wrong and selfish.
 
Every time u repeat your support for shafiq papa in your team, u can't even comprehend the cringe I feel.

U talk about fawad Alam not being a good timer, right? But have u not seen how late ur bro gets when he is somehow trying to execute some pull shot of a spinner

A batsman that cant pick length up quickly cannot be an effective odI player. Accept it and move on.

End this hypocrisy. Shafiq, a modern day bat, my foot! :aamer

The thing is the more you play selfish cricket in Pakistan cricket the better chances that you will be picked again by competent and well aware intelligent selectors..You just need to score vood looking 40s and 50s irrespective of the no. Of balls you face or situation you are batting.

Umar Akmal bad better last few series compare to Shafiq and Shehzad yet he doesn't get selectors attention.
 
Misbah failed as an ODI captain and left the team in dire straits, that is plain and simple. As a batsman, he provided incredible security to an extremely volatile lineup, but with the emergence of Azhar, Haris, hopefully Babar and potential resurgence of Malik, our ODI batting looks decent compared to the one man show it was a few years ago.

That is one reason why Asad is being given chances which continues to fall on deaf ears, but the idea is to bring a capable Test batsman in the post-Misbah and Younis ODI team to bring some steel that guys like Umar, Maqsood and Shehzad have failed to provide, however its a different matter that so far he has not provided any of those things, and looks incredibly stiff and wooden in this format so far.

However, the idea is there: the execution is the second step. Misbah's captaincy will never be missed in this format, and I don't think the new look batting lineup will be more vulnerable without him. We will either maintain the standards or simply improve on them slightly.

The worrying bit is our bowling; utter garbage at the moment, and with such an attack, we will struggle to beat any of the top 7 teams. I didn't think I'd ever say this about Pakistan cricket, but compared to bowling, batting seems to be our stronger suit at the moment.

Agree.
 
Misbah failed as an ODI captain and left the team in dire straits, that is plain and simple. As a batsman, he provided incredible security to an extremely volatile lineup, but with the emergence of Azhar, Haris, hopefully Babar and potential resurgence of Malik, our ODI batting looks decent compared to the one man show it was a few years ago.

That is one reason why Asad is being given chances which continues to fall on deaf ears, but the idea is to bring a capable Test batsman in the post-Misbah and Younis ODI team to bring some steel that guys like Umar, Maqsood and Shehzad have failed to provide, however its a different matter that so far he has not provided any of those things, and looks incredibly stiff and wooden in this format so far.

However, the idea is there: the execution is the second step. Misbah's captaincy will never be missed in this format, and I don't think the new look batting lineup will be more vulnerable without him. We will either maintain the standards or simply improve on them slightly.

The worrying bit is our bowling; utter garbage at the moment, and with such an attack, we will struggle to beat any of the top 7 teams. I didn't think I'd ever say this about Pakistan cricket, but compared to bowling, batting seems to be our stronger suit at the moment.

You really need more stability in this current line up? With Azhar opening the batting, harris and Malik in the middle order what more do you want? Hafeez takes his time too. The longer Sbafiq stays at the crease more chances we might not get to 250 just like Misbah and YK.
 
Series against Bangladesh..

The one in which we got white-washed and only Azhar Ali scored runs consistently? Yes, that certainly showed that we don't need Misbah.
 
we've barely scraped past zimbabwe with the tailwind of a home advantage, were murdered by bangladesh in a whitewash, included two good players that misbah wasnt even given (azhar and haris), have played on absolute roads that unknown batsmen from minnow sides were hitting centuries for fun on, and this is being touted as evidence of post-misbah success?

new depths of thread-fail/unintelligent-posting.
 
we've barely scraped past zimbabwe with the tailwind of a home advantage, were murdered by bangladesh in a whitewash, included two good players that misbah wasnt even given (azhar and haris), have played on absolute roads that unknown batsmen from minnow sides were hitting centuries for fun on, and this is being touted as evidence of post-misbah success?

new depths of thread-fail/unintelligent-posting.

scoring 250+ with an ease against Sri in Sri?so what now sir?
 
scoring 250+ with an ease against Sri in Sri?so what now sir?

A pitch where Sri Lanka is batting at nearly 8 an over after 17 overs!

133/1 as I type.

I admit Pakistani bowling has been below par, but Sri lankas bowling was nothing special.

Pak should have made 320ish on a pitch like this.

But yes, blame Misbah even though he has been out of the ODI team for a while now. But give him no credit for establishing a proper cricketing culture in the test team. He gets the short end in both cases?
 
Some people will never get over Misbah...poor guys are having nightmares lol
 
300+

Something we could only dream of in Misbah's days.

Azhar has really made a great statement. I know he is a limited batsman but as a captain and as a player he really makes sure his team gets big scores. He really plays positive cricket despite all limitations, despite all pressure.

Azhar is already leagues above Misbah as a captain.
 
^^And as an ODI palyer.

I would rather have a player who plays for the team instead of his own place in the team.
 
The argument has been shifted to poor misbah had mediocre resources while azhar ali has better resources.
 
The argument has been shifted to poor misbah had mediocre resources while azhar ali has better resources.

And on the other hand also to nobody stopped misbah from selecting the same guys who azhar has selected now.
 
Change of mindset. Misbah thought that nobody will score if he got out. I dont know why everyone performing even after Azhar get out.

Azhar changed himself, Misbah did not.
 
So first it was because we were playing Bangladesh, then Zim, and now it's trundlers from SL.

its a well established fact that bangla and zim and these lankan bowlers are not prime grade bowling unit. So its too early to say anything. If lakmal kaushal and the other speedster who touched 145ks in tests played in odi then we could say something but right now its too early to say
 
Misbah couldn't change himself. He was a limited batsman who operated within his limitations as well as he could, and he was a rock in the middle-order when everyone around him lost his head.

Couldn't rotate the strike, couldn't even play a proper cover-drive of the front-foot. All he had was a slog over mid-wicket and an impermeable defense.

Azhar has some issues as well, but he is more elegant and talented than Misbah, and will end up as a better batsman.
 
Misbah couldn't change himself. He was a limited batsman who operated within his limitations as well as he could, and he was a rock in the middle-order when everyone around him lost his head.

Couldn't rotate the strike, couldn't even play a proper cover-drive of the front-foot. All he had was a slog over mid-wicket and an impermeable defense.

Azhar has some issues as well, but he is more elegant and talented than Misbah, and will end up as a better batsman.
Well said.
 
You learn something new everyday.

I remember a couple of times atleast. Don't take me for an Afridi fan, I probably think he was the most useless player in our recent history who we have wasted years on. My post was to make a point that the same teams we are playing well vs now we tuktuked vs them during Misbah the conqueror's reign.
 
I remember a couple of times atleast. Don't take me for an Afridi fan, I probably think he was the most useless player in our recent history who we have wasted years on. My post was to make a point that the same teams we are playing well vs now we tuktuked vs them during Misbah the conqueror's reign.

Well we struggled against Bangladesh and lost 3-0.

We never played a 2nd string Zimbabwe team at home under Misbah.

And this current Sri Lankan team is the weakest in 20 years.

It's too early to draw conclusions, but this current team has a better composition.
 
Change of mindset. Misbah thought that nobody will score if he got out. I dont know why everyone performing even after Azhar get out.

Azhar changed himself, Misbah did not.
He has to change....his captaincy on the verge.

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Misbah couldn't change himself. He was a limited batsman who operated within his limitations as well as he could, and he was a rock in the middle-order when everyone around him lost his head.

Couldn't rotate the strike, couldn't even play a proper cover-drive of the front-foot. All he had was a slog over mid-wicket and an impermeable defense.

Azhar has some issues as well, but he is more elegant and talented than Misbah, and will end up as a better batsman.

Misbah was not limited, he has played many innings at a high strike rate and when he has rotated the strike well. He could rotate the strike, but the fact is he chose deliberately not to take risks to avoid getting out and protecting his golden average even if it seriously hurt the team.

Azhar Ali to the contrary is not talented at all compared to Misbah, he does not have the power of Misbah but you can tell he wants to improve, he has worked hard on his batting, he innovates by moving accross the stumps to work the ball to the on side or creates room to clear the off side when the bowler is tieing him down. Misbah on the other hand would refuse to take such risks and will be take no initiative i.e. shuffling across the stumps, creating room to play on the off side, employing the sweep shot, coming down the track or anything to take initiative to disturb the bowler's plans, he will not anything which will be risky for him to lose his wicket. And this is not because he is incapable, it is because he deliberately chose not to.

Inzamam ul Haq summarized the problems with Misbah's batting style perfectly in this video
 
Change of mindset. Misbah thought that nobody will score if he got out. I dont know why everyone performing even after Azhar get out.

Azhar changed himself, Misbah did not.

It had nothing to do with Misbah thinking nobody will score if he got out, he just played for his average at the expense of the team so that he could prolong his stay in the team, he had after all got used to scapegoating others and not being held to account for anything.
 
^ Which video?

PS Loving this post Misbah era. Actually fun to watch Pakistan bat after a long long time, entertainment factor was missing.
 
Misbah was not limited, he has played many innings at a high strike rate and when he has rotated the strike well. He could rotate the strike, but the fact is he chose deliberately not to take risks to avoid getting out and protecting his golden average even if it seriously hurt the team.

Azhar Ali to the contrary is not talented at all compared to Misbah, he does not have the power of Misbah but you can tell he wants to improve, he has worked hard on his batting, he innovates by moving accross the stumps to work the ball to the on side or creates room to clear the off side when the bowler is tieing him down. Misbah on the other hand would refuse to take such risks and will be take no initiative i.e. shuffling across the stumps, creating room to play on the off side, employing the sweep shot, coming down the track or anything to take initiative to disturb the bowler's plans, he will not anything which will be risky for him to lose his wicket. And this is not because he is incapable, it is because he deliberately chose not to.

Inzamam ul Haq summarized the problems with Misbah's batting style perfectly in this video

So are you suggesting that Misbah deliberately refused to improved and played selfish cricket to boost his average? Look, I don't agree with this.

I don't doubt his intentions and commitment to Pakistan cricket. He did as much as he could, but it was not good enough in the ODI format.

Azhar is a pretty talented batsman, considering he picked up batting in his early 20's and is now a high class Test an ODI batsman. You cannot improve so much in a short span of time unless you are really gifted.

Misbah would have struggled had he decided to remodel his batting like Azhar in his late 30's. He simply stuck to his guns.
 
So first it was because we were playing Bangladesh, then Zim, and now it's trundlers from SL.

Lol what's wrong with you?

I never said anything about BD, infact most of our batsmen struggled against them bar Haris-Rizwan-Azhar.

Zim was just toothless. I don't need to even mention them.

SL is in a worse state then us in-terms of bowling imo. They have like 10 million all-rounders and 2 specialist bowlers with about 5 specialist batsmen. Picking the team like that is a terrible idea, and it's not like they have a good captain either, it's Mathews for god sake!
 
So are you suggesting that Misbah deliberately refused to improved and played selfish cricket to boost his average? Look, I don't agree with this.

I don't doubt his intentions and commitment to Pakistan cricket. He did as much as he could, but it was not good enough in the ODI format.

Azhar is a pretty talented batsman, considering he picked up batting in his early 20's and is now a high class Test an ODI batsman. You cannot improve so much in a short span of time unless you are really gifted.

Misbah would have struggled had he decided to remodel his batting like Azhar in his late 30's. He simply stuck to his guns.

If he was not good enough in ODI cricket then you as an unbiased viewer should not be defending him in ODI Cricket. He has left the team in the gutter in the long run where we are ranking no 9, on the verge of CT elimination and now the same players are playing with their regular Pakistani natural flair which is what we were renowned for.

FYI, Azhar Ali started his cricket career as a leg spinner, he was not a regular batsman, he worked hard to develop into one, he couldn't play the cut and pull shot to save his life, he couldn't play the sweep shot to save his life and didn't have an attacking game. But just watching him on the screen on a daily basis shows you how much hard work and development he has put in and how he has produced such tremendous individual results in such a short period of time.

I have every right to suspect his intentions, your claims he did as much as he could cannot be taken in absolute. When Azhar Ali or anyone else is delivering more with more or less the same set of cricketers which Misbah had at his disposal then it really begs the question whether did he actually do all that he could with the resources at hand.

Misbah had nothing to remodel, he just had to put his average, his not outs on the side and put the teams requirements in front of him. I am getting sick and tired of the arguments that people use to defend him i.e. Azhar Ali has better batting talent compared to Misbah, Inzamam and co had better talent at their disposal blah blah.
 
It had nothing to do with Misbah thinking nobody will score if he got out, he just played for his average at the expense of the team so that he could prolong his stay in the team, he had after all got used to scapegoating others and not being held to account for anything.

And how do you know that he played for his average? Do you know him personally or are you a mind reader? Stop making stupid assumptions.
 
And how do you know that he played for his average? Do you know him personally or are you a mind reader? Stop making stupid assumptions.
Observing his entire career and then his career from 2007 to now and how captaincy is more than enough. He might be the nicest man on earth but this is just strictly about Cricket
 
If he was not good enough in ODI cricket then you as an unbiased viewer should not be defending him in ODI Cricket. He has left the team in the gutter in the long run where we are ranking no 9, on the verge of CT elimination and now the same players are playing with their regular Pakistani natural flair which is what we were renowned for.

FYI, Azhar Ali started his cricket career as a leg spinner, he was not a regular batsman, he worked hard to develop into one, he couldn't play the cut and pull shot to save his life, he couldn't play the sweep shot to save his life and didn't have an attacking game. But just watching him on the screen on a daily basis shows you how much hard work and development he has put in and how he has produced such tremendous individual results in such a short period of time.

I have every right to suspect his intentions, your claims he did as much as he could cannot be taken in absolute. When Azhar Ali or anyone else is delivering more with more or less the same set of cricketers which Misbah had at his disposal then it really begs the question whether did he actually do all that he could with the resources at hand.

Misbah had nothing to remodel, he just had to put his average, his not outs on the side and put the teams requirements in front of him. I am getting sick and tired of the arguments that people use to defend him i.e. Azhar Ali has better batting talent compared to Misbah, Inzamam and co had better talent at their disposal blah blah.

Of course I know that, which is why I believe that Azhar is quite a talented batsman. How many players can start their careers as leg-spinners, pick up batting in their early 20's and go on to be average 45 and 50 in Test and ODI cricket?

Yes he worked hard, but he had the talent to match his hard work. Not everyone can improve exponentially like Azhar or Steve Smith.

As far as putting his averages and not outs on the side, again, you believe that he was a selfish player who was not interested in the success of Pakistan cricket but his personal milestones only, which is just distasteful. How are you so sure of his intentions?

I am not defending him in ODIs, my point is that he performed to the best of his capabilities, but ultimately he proved to be a poor ODI tactician, whose legacy in this format is a team that is in tatters.

You are questioning his motives, I am questioning his limitations because that is what I can observe. I cannot look into people's hearts or read their minds to conclude their intentions, but you seem very confident that Misbah was playing for himself.
 
Observing his entire career and then his career from 2007 to now and how captaincy is more than enough. He might be the nicest man on earth but this is just strictly about Cricket

Another imbecile to go on my ignore list.
 
Life without Misbah,Afridi and Akmal's was always going to be better.All had their faults, and unfortunately had crazy die hard fans too.
 
Life without Misbah,Afridi and Akmal's was always going to be better.All had their faults, and unfortunately had crazy die hard fans too.

UA had no die hard fans. Misbah didn't have fans either, just lobbyists. Afridi on the other hand is the true definition of street power.
 
Of course I know that, which is why I believe that Azhar is quite a talented batsman. How many players can start their careers as leg-spinners, pick up batting in their early 20's and go on to be average 45 and 50 in Test and ODI cricket?

Yes he worked hard, but he had the talent to match his hard work. Not everyone can improve exponentially like Azhar or Steve Smith.

As far as putting his averages and not outs on the side, again, you believe that he was a selfish player who was not interested in the success of Pakistan cricket but his personal milestones only, which is just distasteful. How are you so sure of his intentions?

I am not defending him in ODIs, my point is that he performed to the best of his capabilities, but ultimately he proved to be a poor ODI tactician, whose legacy in this format is a team that is in tatters.

You are questioning his motives, I am questioning his limitations because that is what I can observe. I cannot look into people's hearts or read their minds to conclude their intentions, but you seem very confident that Misbah was playing for himself.

His team is in tatters?? - as if Misbah was Captain of Australia not Pakistan. This is quite a bit over the top.

Batting in his era is improving. Since he has taken over Pakistan has only once scored below 250, during Misbah's era, we hardly go over 250. He is leading from the front quite literally, taken the burden of new ball on his own shoulders. Consistent opening leads to high score, as long as opening seldom fails we will get big scores.


What did Misbah left for him?

He inherited all bad investments of Misbah, Hafeez and Ajmal most high profile investments gone bad, he has to start from scratch. Misbah was wining almost all Odis on back of their bowling, which he cannot leverage. He has to start from scratch [emoji47][emoji47]

On batting front, Misbah never invested in openers, he was the best player of new ball in Pakistan for sometime, but was never got selected in odi.

His batting


Pakistan has tried many opening combinations in test for last 6 years, but one down remains Azhar, that tells something, and he hardly failed for reasonable period of time. Even when we were in SA, he faced the most number of new balls, where as Hafeez used to get out in first over of Steyn.

Not just that he pull/cut and drive better than almost everybody else. Because of that he can score almost run a ball in first 10 overs in Odis, where as Shezad and Hafeez struggles. He is strong on front foot, where as other openers hardly move their feet.

He is not a great player of spin, but you need new ball batsman as opener. His spin credentials had improved a lot in last 12 months, another reason I was adamant of his selection as odi opener for WC.

BTW: Test batting is about building temperament , strong defense and less about talent, well by talent means fast reflexes, good hand eye coordination etc. that's why guys like Cook, Dravid, Chandar paul, Langer, YK, etc have long test careers, they were not that talented but had great temperament. Their temperament helped them over come their talent and increase their games range. Where as guys like VIV, KP, Lara, Tendulakar were lot about talent then temperament.

He is hard worker, so far he has not taken things for granted. Even on SL tour, he dealt with Herath threat head on, and score vitals runs against him. We worked on tactics to counter Herat after first test.


Captaincy

I would not read too much into his or anybody's captaincy so early. He is building the team from scratch, he has yet to play with his best bowlers (Wahab and Irfan) in a single match, result of BD series would have being different.

There is a famous saying in cricket, 'Captain is as good as bowlers he has'

When you are new to captaincy, and somebody take away 3/4 (Wahab/Irfan, Ajmal, Hafeez, Afridi) of your bowlers, how can you keep on wining? After Ajmal was banned, Midbah lost 12 of the 15 Odis, his experience did not helped.

Captaincy is overrated in cricket, Pakistanis pass time is gossip and politics, they love to focus on non issues.

I like him as captain because he is a team player and less controversial personality. I don't like this habit of changing captains, this shows an immature and illiterate culture. In 90s we were all star team with too many cooks, where as in 80s we achieve more with far less resources.

I really like that in last 4/5 years we had only one captain. I care less about who is the captain it's more important to have consistency. Let him run for 4/5 years. The only requirement I have for captain is that he should be in playing 11 on merit. Which he does easily for both test and odi team. You cannot make a guy captain whose place is not guaranteed. Also, odi captain should be test player as well, it's again sign of mature culture.


Pakistan bowling stock is decent

Pakistan bowling stock is not that great right now because we lost main bowlers to chucking charges even then in WC we were in top 3/4 bowling units.

Azhar has to rebuild the attack, find and carve all rounders, this is not going to happen in 2/4 months.

Fans hope right now are on the Amir, Wahab and possibly Asif that can improve fasting balling a whole lot better than what we have right now.

With Amir, Wahab and Yasir, you are not just getting wicket taking world class bowlers but batsman who can remove the notion of long tail and more than decent fielders. If fit, they can take Pakistan to top 2/3 of both odi and test. Cricket teams start from bowling unit. I am eager to see how these three shape up Pakistani attack in next 2/3 years [emoji2][emoji2]








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Lol what's wrong with you?

I never said anything about BD, infact most of our batsmen struggled against them bar Haris-Rizwan-Azhar.

Zim was just toothless. I don't need to even mention them.

SL is in a worse state then us in-terms of bowling imo. They have like 10 million all-rounders and 2 specialist bowlers with about 5 specialist batsmen. Picking the team like that is a terrible idea, and it's not like they have a good captain either, it's Mathews for god sake!

Calm down. Nothing's wrong with me. Something appears wrong with you though - too hyper.
 
The frustration is that the lineup we're seeing today could've been picked years ago. The likes of Rizwan, Sarfraz, Anwar, Yasir Shah and others have been knocking round for years. Heck, even Azhar could've got into the Misbah side as it would've meant less pressure on Misbah to play the anchoring role.

As much as I respect Misbah, we never got our ODI combination right under him and always looked a step behind the other top ODI nations. We stuck with Test specialists Younis and Shafiq for too long, and Hafeez opening despite his frailties against the new ball when he's better at No 3. We also relied far too long on Saeed Ajmal.

Not everything can be pinned on Misbah given the instability at the PCB at the time. In the sub-continent we give too much emphasis on individuals and not on the system. PCB Chairman were coming and going, Chief Selectors have been changed more times than one changes socks and we've had a variety of coaches along the way. Our domestic system was, and remains weak with formats regularly being changed every year. So its not like Misbah had a great system to work with compared to the likes of Australia and New Zealand.

But the past is the past, and I don't see how continual point scoring about Misbah's legacy helps anyone. Pro Misbah vs Anti Misbah, its a circular debate that's ran its course.
 
But but Misbah didn't have great players like Shehzad, Hafeez, Azhar. Lol at the excuses. Just accept the fact that Misbah hae been poor captain.
 
Lol what's wrong with you?

I never said anything about BD, infact most of our batsmen struggled against them bar Haris-Rizwan-Azhar.

Zim was just toothless. I don't need to even mention them.

SL is in a worse state then us in-terms of bowling imo. They have like 10 million all-rounders and 2 specialist bowlers with about 5 specialist batsmen. Picking the team like that is a terrible idea, and it's not like they have a good captain either, it's Mathews for god sake!

Zim and toothless lol. We lost a test and ODI under him. The wins we had were close one as well.
 
Zim and toothless lol. We lost a test and ODI under him. The wins we had were close one as well.

So? It was due to Zim's batting not their bowling. I'm talking about Zim's bowling, and how that proves nothing about our batting.
 
Hindsight is a luxury but it appears that Misbah was the biggest reason of our ODI flops over the years.


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Anything that involves misbah ul haq is like dealing with a clinically depressed person. Always only looked at the negatives and made you believe you were worse than you actually were.
 
Hindsight is a luxury but it appears that Misbah was the biggest reason of our ODI flops over the years.


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Even more than the hack Akmal who kept throwing his wicket away after scoring 20-25? Even more than Afridi who blindly swung his bat at almost every ball? Even more than the real tuk tuk Shehzad? Even more than the hack Maqsood who only knows to play aerial shots? The only reason why we are scoring well post Misbah era is because our openers are consistently giving us a good start every match and all the credit for that goes to Azhar Ali who Misbah handpicked as the captain. I like to see how this team does when they are 10-3 or something and have no Misbah to rescue them.
 
8 times in a row. I thought we'd never cross 200??????????????????

Whats happened guys?

Lot of people quiet..... come forward please....
 
Hindsight is a luxury but it appears that Misbah was the biggest reason of our ODI flops over the years.


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Partly agree - I do respect the fact he tried the best he could given his limited abilities but Haris Sohail, Azhar Ali, Sarfraz etc. should have replaced him in the ODI format a long time ago...
 
Even more than the hack Akmal who kept throwing his wicket away after scoring 20-25? Even more than Afridi who blindly swung his bat at almost every ball? Even more than the real tuk tuk Shehzad? Even more than the hack Maqsood who only knows to play aerial shots? The only reason why we are scoring well post Misbah era is because our openers are consistently giving us a good start every match and all the credit for that goes to Azhar Ali who Misbah handpicked as the captain. I like to see how this team does when they are 10-3 or something and have no Misbah to rescue them.
Must really hurt to see misbah exposed so brutally. The desperation to deflect all the justified criticism against misbah by scapegoating others.
 
We have played these teams so far:

Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka

Please calm down
 
We have played these teams so far:

Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka

Please calm down

Agreed.

Sri Lanka have looked very poor in this series as shown by their diabolical fielding. Fantastic effort from Pak but the batting often clicked on good batting decks against poor bowling attacks like SL in the past.

Take a look at these scores in the UAE a couple of seasons back (where Pak have struggled against stronger bowling lineups) by a Misbah-led side:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/657623.html
 
We have played these teams so far:

Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka

Please calm down

it really is incredible how some people's minds work. i totally agree with this comment, couldnt have said it better.
 
I thin a lot of this has to do with the top 3. When top 3 are getting Consistent runs the outcome becomes different.
I don't remember top 3 having a series quite like this one In the misbah tenure. But this may just be to do with the quality of the opposition.
so let's just take a chill pill on misbah bashing.
 
We have played these teams so far:

Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka

Please calm down

Didn't Misbah lose to Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka during his tenure? What were Pakistan's scores against Bangladesh during his reign? Didn't we lose an ODI and a test match under the great Misbah ul Haq's reign?

Quit with this looserish lobbying for Misbah
 
We have played these teams so far:

Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka

Please calm down

Its not about winning/losing, its attitude. I will not mind if we lose with this attitude. Pak ODI team, the most boring has been changed.
 
We have played these teams so far:

Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka

Please calm down

Its not about winning/losing, its attitude. I will not mind if we lose with this attitude. Pak ODI team, the most boring has been changed.
 
Drawing comparisons now between Misbah and Azhar is unfair to both of them. I think it is good that Azhar has started winning as captain and his own performance is very good. Lets give him his time and then see how he is doing in comparison
 
Didn't Misbah lose to Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka during his tenure? What were Pakistan's scores against Bangladesh during his reign? Didn't we lose an ODI and a test match under the great Misbah ul Haq's reign?

Quit with this looserish lobbying for Misbah

Not sure if the last question is actually about this, but Pakistan never lost to Bangladesh under Misbah
 
We have played these teams so far:

Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka

Please calm down

we were being bowled out for below 200 against these same teams, our batting has changed drastically- you cant argue that
 
People said we will miss Misbah badly and he was the only one holding our batting together. Everyone was saying if Misbah goes Pakistan will even struggle to cross 150..now what? With three experienced players out. Hafeez getting run out early. Pakistan still manages to post 250. Where are those wise men who were saying without Misbah's services Pakistan batting will not score even 200 odd we used to score.

The point of this thread is only to prove Pakistan was never out of players who could play the role of Misbah. I've mentioned in many other threads that even Azhar playing at his place under same circumstances would have had done better job. The only reason Pakistan hasn't been able to match other quality team's batting is because we are missing out of some quality stroke makers+few all rounders and long tail doesn't help either.

Pakistan's batting will never miss Misbah in ODIs. The only people you might miss are Umar Akmal and Afridi. good luck for next game.

[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] This thread started by you was excellent until Pakistan score less than 250 against better side.:misbah
 
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