What's new

London attacks: Fatalities after vehicle and stabbing incidents

Muhammad10

T20I Debutant
Joined
Jul 7, 2013
Runs
6,284
More than one person has died after an incident possibly involving a vehicle and stabbings in the London Bridge area of the capital, police have said.

Armed police responded to reports of a van hitting pedestrians on the bridge in central London.

The Met Police said officers were also at Borough Market nearby where they were responding to reports of stabbings.

The force said they were also attending a reported incident in Vauxhall.

Downing Street said: "The prime minister is in contact with officials and is being regularly updated on the incident at London Bridge."

Transport for London said the bridge has been closed in both directions due to a "major police incident".

Bus routes were being diverted and the neighbouring Southwark Bridge has also been shut, it added.

TfL said there were further closures in Borough High Street, where armed police were later seen. On the north side of the river, Lower Thames Street was closed.

BBC reporter Holly Jones, who was on the bridge at the time of the incident, said the van was driven by a man and was "probably travelling at about 50 miles an hour".

"He swerved right round me and then hit about five or six people. He hit about two people in front of me and then three behind," Ms Jones told the BBC News Channel.

Five or six people were being treated for injuries after the vehicle mounted the pavement and hit them, she said.

"I'd say there are about four severely injured people. They all have paramedics assisting them at the moment."

She said the van, which was travelling from the direction of central London, headed towards the south side of the river.

Ms Jones later reported seeing a man being arrested by police. She said he was handcuffed and had his shirt off.

She said a French woman was among the injured and who told her she did not know where the two people who had been with her were.

London Ambulance Service tweeted: "Multiple resources attending an incident at #LondonBridge, please avoid the area".

Speaking to the Press Association, Will Orton described being in a pub in the area and seeing people coming running inside.

"We didn't really know what was going on," he said.

"We thought maybe there was a fight or something outside. And then there were almost hundreds of people coming inside.

"The bouncers did a really good job, they shut the doors and locked everyone in. There was panic - it seemed like it was literally outside the door. People were coming inside and saying they had witnessed people being stabbed."

Downing Street said Mrs May, who has been campaigning in the general election, was returning to No 10 to receive further briefings from security officials.

It said the prime minister will chair a meeting of the government's Cobra emergency committee later.

On Twitter, Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn described the incidents as "brutal and shocking".

Transport for London said London Bridge has been closed in both directions. while neighbouring Southwark Bridge has also been shut.

TfL said there were further closures in Borough High Street, where armed police and counter-terrorism specialist forces were later seen. On the north side of the river, Lower Thames Street was closed.

Meanwhile, Facebook said it has activated its safety check so people in London could let friends and relatives know they were safe.

Police said earlier they were also responding to an incident in the Vauxhall area a few miles away but later confirmed it was not connected to the London Bridge attacks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916
 
Last edited:
terrible incident, seems like there were three people, one has been detained and two are on the rampage stabbing people in borough market now.

hard to tell whats true or not tho, mostly hear say atm.

apparently police response time was 2 or 3 minutes to first arrival, which if true is quite amazing.
 
Terrible again. London has masses of CCTV cameras, let's hope they catch these **** asap and any further injuries are limited.
 
Second incident at Borough market reported as well. Armed police are present at both scenes with a bomb disposal unit arriving at London Bridge.

Crazy scenes coming on the heels of the recent Westminster and Manchester attacks. Hopefully the perpetrators are brought to book and the injuries are not serious.
 
I live near Westminster and can hear police sirens going on . When I 1st heard continues sirens, I thought hope nothing serious.
 
initial reports saying more than one fatality, some of the rumours going round are pretty bad, dont think this will get any better overnight.
 
thoughts go out to all the victims. These sick individuals need to pay for what they have done.
 
RIP. It's scary how easily terrorists can organize and convince individuals to do such acts again and again.
 
Criminals. My sincerest sympathies to the families of the dead and best wishes to the injured. This is a country that defeated the Nazis so a bunch of knuckleheads will not defeat it.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
There are pictures of the supposed assailants on the floor shot on Twitter
 
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Police officers were trying to put themselves between [the attackers] and the crowd." London Bridge - <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCNews">@BBCNews</a> <a href="https://t.co/mA9EZGBbQs">pic.twitter.com/mA9EZGBbQs</a></p>— Julia Macfarlane (@juliamacfarlane) <a href="https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/871183855918743552">4 June 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Looks like an ISIS inspired attack at first glance. Baghdadi did say that Ramadan is the month of Jihad. Manchester Kabul and London now it seems.
 
To do this on the eve of the Ariana Grande concert for the Manchester victims just shows to me how much contempt these animals have for British people and for decent British Muslims.

On the one hand, I don't want them to drag us down to their level. But on the other hand, they clearly feel no deterrent effect from anything that is being done.

We need to reflect calmly before escalating our response to these people.

And we need to ensure that our response is sensible and does not inflame the situation further. But we also need to look at what works elsewhere.

Ironically, my son is about to publish a book about the Algerian War of Independence and the use of terrorism by both the nationalists and the French government. He also writes about how the French counter-terror agents were widely recruited by the right-wing South American juntas in the 1970's to fight the Dirty Wars in Argentina, Chile and Brazil. And he also makes extensive reference to the Israeli response to terrorism in it.

Few of us in the west want to live in a fortified, anti-Muslim society, and I don't want to either. If you could negotiate with these people like you could with the IRA or Basque separatists, that would be greatly preferable. But you can't.

Unfortunately, the bottom line is that history tells us that a successful response to Islamist terror has to be ruthless, terrifying and brutal. The final proof of this came from the Algerian Army's crackdown against the Islamists who won the 1991 election. A Civil War ensued, and anywhere up to 150,000 Algerians were killed, but Islamist terror was defeated absolutely.

It didn't mean a war on Islam - Algeria remains a Muslim country. But it did require a ruthless war against Islamist terror.
 
That might appeal to reactionary uncivilised people but the UK is a mature democracy and luckily we give the finger to terrorists and the 'anti-terrorist' hate preachers who are just different sides of the same coin

Some of the expert observers on here thought the Manchester bombing would impact on Jeremy Corbyn's election campaign but in fact he has continued to rise in the polls. People are fed up of the 'war and terror' it's time to deal with this problem with 'love and hope' rather than 'hate and fear'
 
That might appeal to reactionary uncivilised people but the UK is a mature democracy and luckily we give the finger to terrorists and the 'anti-terrorist' hate preachers who are just different sides of the same coin

Some of the expert observers on here thought the Manchester bombing would impact on Jeremy Corbyn's election campaign but in fact he has continued to rise in the polls. People are fed up of the 'war and terror' it's time to deal with this problem with 'love and hope' rather than 'hate and fear'

If you understood the first half of my post, that is precisely what my first instinct is too. Don't let them drag us down to their level.

But less than two weeks have passed between atrocities. And this one was on the eve of the "One Love" concert for the victims. It has crossed a great many red lines, and the response will not be "more love, less anger".

Personally, I don't want any large scale war on Muslims. Not at all.

But I want very assertive policing of Mosques and Madrasas, and ruthless deportation of hate preachers and their families. And I want society to stop the creation of any sort of ethnic ghetto. My family was originally from Dewsbury, and actually lived in Savile Town long before any Muslims arrived. It's not okay to have enclaves of the country in which people only meet people from the same minority as themselves.
 
I'll believe your parroting of divisive reactionary Daily Mail rhetoric when they close down Eton / Bullingdon cliques who sell weapons to Saudi

"It's not okay to have enclaves of the country in which people only meet people from the same minority as themselves."
 
This is the true face of Britain

some muppet shouts offensive nonsense about Muslims, and he's told to belt up... video goes viral and the 'love and hope' message is widely commended

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Several London police officers enter bar at London Bridge telling people to get down #<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Londonbridge?src=hash">#Londonbridge</a> <a href="https://t.co/1Q1ndfdrMS">pic.twitter.com/1Q1ndfdrMS</a></p>— Tony De Jonker (@TonyDeJonker) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDeJonker/status/871129663438860288">3 June 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">London terror attack: three suspects shot dead after killing six and injuring 20, Met Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley confirms <a href="https://t.co/tUL90yAGMK">pic.twitter.com/tUL90yAGMK</a></p>— Sky News (@SkyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/871199120806952962">4 June 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I'll believe your parroting of divisive reactionary Daily Mail rhetoric when they close down Eton / Bullingdon cliques who sell weapons to Saudi

"It's not okay to have enclaves of the country in which people only meet people from the same minority as themselves."

It's the whole "Midsomer Murders" paradox, isn't it?

You are always going to get areas in which there are no immigrants. But you shouldn't have enclaves in which EVERYONE is from the same ethnic minority.
 
This is the true face of Britain

some muppet shouts offensive nonsense about Muslims, and he's told to belt up... video goes viral and the 'love and hope' message is widely commended

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Several London police officers enter bar at London Bridge telling people to get down #<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Londonbridge?src=hash">#Londonbridge</a> <a href="https://t.co/1Q1ndfdrMS">pic.twitter.com/1Q1ndfdrMS</a></p>— Tony De Jonker (@TonyDeJonker) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDeJonker/status/871129663438860288">3 June 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Love and hope" is great, and I'm proud of the reaction to Manchester.

But you can't just leave extremists free to revel in their rights and multiply.

If you have cancer in your body, prayer and natural remedies are great. But you do need to kill the cancer with chemotherapy or radiotherapy, or to chop it out with surgery.

You can't just respect its right to be there.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hi Katie, I'm Andrew, I'm from Northern Ireland. Happy to answer any questions you may have about the IRA, INLA, UVF, UFF or UDA. <a href="https://t.co/Gzsm1jRVQh">https://t.co/Gzsm1jRVQh</a></p>— Andrew Beatty (@AndrewBeatty) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty/status/871160409855848448">4 June 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
It is so difficult to control these "stabbing incidents". How do police detect them ?
 
To do this on the eve of the Ariana Grande concert for the Manchester victims just shows to me how much contempt these animals have for British people and for decent British Muslims.

On the one hand, I don't want them to drag us down to their level. But on the other hand, they clearly feel no deterrent effect from anything that is being done.

We need to reflect calmly before escalating our response to these people.

And we need to ensure that our response is sensible and does not inflame the situation further. But we also need to look at what works elsewhere.

Ironically, my son is about to publish a book about the Algerian War of Independence and the use of terrorism by both the nationalists and the French government. He also writes about how the French counter-terror agents were widely recruited by the right-wing South American juntas in the 1970's to fight the Dirty Wars in Argentina, Chile and Brazil. And he also makes extensive reference to the Israeli response to terrorism in it.

Few of us in the west want to live in a fortified, anti-Muslim society, and I don't want to either. If you could negotiate with these people like you could with the IRA or Basque separatists, that would be greatly preferable. But you can't.

Unfortunately, the bottom line is that history tells us that a successful response to Islamist terror has to be ruthless, terrifying and brutal. The final proof of this came from the Algerian Army's crackdown against the Islamists who won the 1991 election. A Civil War ensued, and anywhere up to 150,000 Algerians were killed, but Islamist terror was defeated absolutely.

It didn't mean a war on Islam - Algeria remains a Muslim country. But it did require a ruthless war against Islamist terror.


You cannot have it both ways. You cannot see thimgs only from your angle. This World is Ours. We Equally share it.

From a human angle do you see severe human rights violation in Algeria ?


Algerian Authorities see a Group of most marginalized and persecuted people as National Security threat. Prople who number less than 1000 and are totally unarmed. Accuse them of foreign funding without giving a single evidence. Throw them in Jails and call the moderate liberal secular progressive group as a National Security Threat.

The Global leader of this Group addresses British Parliament, European Parliament, American Congress aswell as Parliaments worldwide as a special Guest and a Speaker on Global Peace, Justice & Equality.


Read International Human Rights Reports & persecution of Minorities focussing Algeria, Indonesia etc etc.
 
This is the true face of Britain

some muppet shouts offensive nonsense about Muslims, and he's told to belt up... video goes viral and the 'love and hope' message is widely commended
That's very sweet, but I wonder, with great respect, what year you were born in.

I'm British. And I'm well aware that against the IRA we stooped to:

- internment without trial.
- shoot to kill
- Bloody Sunday
- Death on the Rock
- letting Bobby Sands MP starve himself to death

I am not defending those things. Not at all.

But I am explaining that while we are a mature, inclusive society, we will not hesitate to use ruthless tactics if our safety is repeatedly or significantly threatened.

I remember how harshly we stamped all over the rights of Northern Irish Catholics in my own lifetime, and I regret to say that I have no doubt that that would be repeated if it had to be.

You act as if this is only a "Daily Mail minority" that feels this way. So why has nobody been charged for Bloody Sunday? Why have we done nothing to address the miscarriages of justice against the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six? Why are the witnesses in Gibraltar still scared stiff of testifying to what they actually saw?

I think that you will find that our enlightenment is a luxury that we like having, but that if we find ourselves in a situation in which random acts of violence can happen at any time we will not hesitate to return to having our security services act ruthlessly.
 
There are calls for re-armament on many news pages . Of course the americans are promoting it too.

Will that have takers in the UK ?
 
I am no longer shocked by such events.

Terrified ,my partner worked in central London for a year walking those streets and came back a month ago. Think it might not be shocking but this is something that cannot be controlled and is extremely worrisome.
 
There are calls for re-armament on many news pages . Of course the americans are promoting it too.

Will that have takers in the UK ?

Majority of officers itself don't carry firearms in England,not sure how will they deal with that ,allowing guns for public shouldn't even be in question now.
 
Welcome to our world.

God knows what will happen if an attack happens in India like this. Atleast the Brits are civilized enough to keep the outrage on social media. If the lid goes off we the police/security forces are far too understaffed to keep anything in control.
 
God knows what will happen if an attack happens in India like this. Atleast the Brits are civilized enough to keep the outrage on social media. If the lid goes off we the police/security forces are far too understaffed to keep anything in control.

Def full blown riots.With BJP at the helm , emboldened Hindutvas won't let the opportunity to go waste and try to pin the whole blame on muslims even without knowing the identity of assailants.
Of course it doesn't help that majority of Muslims in India are emotional idiots too.
 
God knows what will happen if an attack happens in India like this. Atleast the Brits are civilized enough to keep the outrage on social media. If the lid goes off we the police/security forces are far too understaffed to keep anything in control.

India faces worse terrorism than what Britain is facing. Life goes on.
 
The emergency service of London are remarkable,how efficient was that, don't think any service even comes near.
 
The emergency service of London are remarkable,how efficient was that, don't think any service even comes near.

Maybe the response is good, but their intelligence is pathetic. So much happening right under their nose and they are not able to prevent it, despite being warned and sometimes knowing the suspects beforehand. They are also partially responsible for these deaths.
 
Maybe the response is good, but their intelligence is pathetic. So much happening right under their nose and they are not able to prevent it, despite being warned and sometimes knowing the suspects beforehand.

I'm not from intelligence but there is no way that someone can predict a van of knife bearing individuals without any plan.
Intelligence at best can prevent a planned attack,this attack looked anything but that.
 
I'm not from intelligence but there is no way that someone can predict a van of knife bearing individuals without any plan.
Intelligence at best can prevent a planned attack,this attack looked anything but that.

You should keep yourself updated. The So called british intelligence had inputs before the manchester attack and the suspect was known to them. Guess they were too lazy or afraid to act on those inputs.
 
You should keep yourself updated. The So called british intelligence had inputs before the manchester attack and the suspect was known to them. Guess they were too lazy or afraid to act on those inputs.

And you should read the sentence,I said London and not the whole of England,lets wait and see if they knew about this one.
 
And you should read the sentence,I said London and not the whole of England,lets wait and see if they knew about this one.

I was talking about the failure of the british intelligence..sorry if you failed to comprehend. They are already conducting enquiries about the failure to act on the warnings. Also it cant be ruled out that the inaction was deliberate for political benefits.
 
Major intelligence fail. This is getting ridiculous.

Don't be surprised if all of West gets leaders like Trump.
 
RIP and sincere condolences to all those affected. Seriously what is wrong with intelligence agencies and police in England? 3 attacks in one month and a few of those attackers were known to them beforehand. Because of their incompetence so many families have had their lives ripped apart. There must be some form of accountability, tragic day. Hope India and Pakistan wear black armbands today to show solidarity to England.
 
- Any mosques peddling radical Islam need to be closed as quickly as possible.
- People caught propagating extremism should be either deported or put on a strict watch list.
- Anyone who fought for ISIS and tries to return should be barred.
- Anyone advocating or participating in religious extremism should be dealt with swiftly
 
That's very sweet, but I wonder, with great respect, what year you were born in.

I'm British. And I'm well aware that against the IRA we stooped to:

- internment without trial.
- shoot to kill
- Bloody Sunday
- Death on the Rock
- letting Bobby Sands MP starve himself to death

I am not defending those things. Not at all.

But I am explaining that while we are a mature, inclusive society, we will not hesitate to use ruthless tactics if our safety is repeatedly or significantly threatened.

I remember how harshly we stamped all over the rights of Northern Irish Catholics in my own lifetime, and I regret to say that I have no doubt that that would be repeated if it had to be.

You act as if this is only a "Daily Mail minority" that feels this way. So why has nobody been charged for Bloody Sunday? Why have we done nothing to address the miscarriages of justice against the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six? Why are the witnesses in Gibraltar still scared stiff of testifying to what they actually saw?

I think that you will find that our enlightenment is a luxury that we like having, but that if we find ourselves in a situation in which random acts of violence can happen at any time we will not hesitate to return to having our security services act ruthlessly.

You don't live in England ?

The only way to stop such acts of murder in the long run is to have a foreign policy which instead of destroying counties is aimed at helping nations to become stable where such groups cannot thrive . The UK governments OPENLY support terror in Syria as they did in Libya . As part of a coalition they provide finance , training & weapons to terrorists . Selling billions in arms to dictators in Saudia Arabia & not to mention the elephant in the room , have had a policy of state terrorism themselves for the last 15 years causing death & destruction to millions of people across numerous countries.

Prevention is better than ignorant extreme reactions.
 
You don't live in England ?

The only way to stop such acts of murder in the long run is to have a foreign policy which instead of destroying counties is aimed at helping nations to become stable where such groups cannot thrive . The UK governments OPENLY support terror in Syria as they did in Libya . As part of a coalition they provide finance , training & weapons to terrorists . Selling billions in arms to dictators in Saudia Arabia & not to mention the elephant in the room , have had a policy of state terrorism themselves for the last 15 years causing death & destruction to millions of people across numerous countries.

Prevention is better than ignorant extreme reactions.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

A country's foreign policy does not make schoolgirls at a pop concert a legitimate target.

The Middle East is a mess, and I don't know what to say, to be frank. I'd rather be an Israeli Arab (as in the ones who are citizens, in Israel proper) than a citizen of any of the kleptocracies or theocracies which make up the Arab world.

Yes, our policies on Syria and Libya have been hapless and we keep trading with an odious Saudi regime. I can't deny that.

But it does not make innocent civilians a legitimate target.
 
You should keep yourself updated. The So called british intelligence had inputs before the manchester attack and the suspect was known to them. Guess they were too lazy or afraid to act on those inputs.

MI5 has been superb at disrupting terror plots but like every other government department has accepted budget cuts. That time they didn't act quickly enough. I give thanks to them for stopping nineteen out of every twenty terror plots.
 
Two wrongs don't make a right.

A country's foreign policy does not make schoolgirls at a pop concert a legitimate target.

The Middle East is a mess, and I don't know what to say, to be frank. I'd rather be an Israeli Arab (as in the ones who are citizens, in Israel proper) than a citizen of any of the kleptocracies or theocracies which make up the Arab world.

Yes, our policies on Syria and Libya have been hapless and we keep trading with an odious Saudi regime. I can't deny that.

But it does not make innocent civilians a legitimate target.

l never suggested it does .

I was trying to give you a sense of reality. You cannot expect peace when you yourself indulge in the same at a larger scale .

The Manchester bomber is a good example. His family was facilitated in Libya , armed & supported to commit acts of terrorism by the uk government & its allies . You can't help create & support monsters but then expect them not to bite you .
 
So sad :( sickening.

I condemn the actions of these deranged people and they do not define my beliefs.

Sorry [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] don't let what happened on this day look at other Brit Muslims in the same light. We must work together to get rid of all the bad apples. We have a big extremist ideological problem to solve and I recognise that.
 
Brutal and tragic once again.

NB does anyone else doubt that these were 3 'fake' suicide vests? - why would anyone marching to their death wear a fake suicide vest? Could be some cover story / damage control so the public remains merely scared rather than petrified: 3 nutters running around London wearing bone ride suicide vests would have been disastrous, hundreds would have been slaughtered.
 
Brutal and tragic once again.

NB does anyone else doubt that these were 3 'fake' suicide vests? - why would anyone marching to their death wear a fake suicide vest? Could be some cover story / damage control so the public remains merely scared rather than petrified: 3 nutters running around London wearing bone ride suicide vests would have been disastrous, hundreds would have been slaughtered.

They were fake otherwise it makes no sense none of them were triggered . Probably done to cause extra fear to the public .
 
You don't live in England ?

The only way to stop such acts of murder in the long run is to have a foreign policy which instead of destroying counties is aimed at helping nations to become stable where such groups cannot thrive . The UK governments OPENLY support terror in Syria as they did in Libya . As part of a coalition they provide finance , training & weapons to terrorists . Selling billions in arms to dictators in Saudia Arabia & not to mention the elephant in the room , have had a policy of state terrorism themselves for the last 15 years causing death & destruction to millions of people across numerous countries.

Prevention is better than ignorant extreme reactions.

Not that simple.

Germany got hit by Jihadis though they have not invaded anyone or sold weapons to the Saudis. Ditto Sweden.

Who knows what sets these guys off? An American pop star dancing in skimpy clothes? Christmas?
 
So sad :( sickening.

I condemn the actions of these deranged people and they do not define my beliefs.

Sorry [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] don't let what happened on this day look at other Brit Muslims in the same light. We must work together to get rid of all the bad apples. We have a big extremist ideological problem to solve and I recognise that.

:19: :39:
 
So sad :( sickening.

I condemn the actions of these deranged people and they do not define my beliefs.

Sorry [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] don't let what happened on this day look at other Brit Muslims in the same light. We must work together to get rid of all the bad apples. We have a big extremist ideological problem to solve and I recognise that.
I agree!

Good Muslims are not the problem. They are a big part of the solution.
 
RIP to all the victims. I am in this area daily, don't know what else to say.
 
Just pure lunatics.

This was obviously an IS inspired attack. A typical very amateurish but none the less brutal terrorist attack on people enjoying a Saturday night out.

These scumbags are the worst of the worst - not sure how we stop such attacks.
 
Not that simple.

Germany got hit by Jihadis though they have not invaded anyone or sold weapons to the Saudis. Ditto Sweden.

Who knows what sets these guys off? An American pop star dancing in skimpy clothes? Christmas?

Germany is seen as part of Europe . But most don't attach Germany or Sweden . When they start attacking Argentina or Mexico then you may have a point.

No attacks in Europe or America before the war of terror . If people want to keep denying foreign policy isn't the main cause , their choice . Luckily we have a leader in Corbyn who isn't burying his head in the sand.
 
Germany is seen as part of Europe . But most don't attach Germany or Sweden . When they start attacking Argentina or Mexico then you may have a point.

No attacks in Europe or America before the war of terror . If people want to keep denying foreign policy isn't the main cause , their choice . Luckily we have a leader in Corbyn who isn't burying his head in the sand.

Actually the WTC was bombed before the WOT, and 9/11 marked the start of the WOT. There was no reason to go into Afghanistan prior to that.

And why no jihadist attacks in Poland? They put more soldiers into Afghanistan than the UK did.

More complex than Corbyn would have you believe. His head is in a different sandpit.
 
Last edited:
Sad is all I can say. Hatred of Muslim's will only make it much worse.
 
Actually the WTC was bombed before the WOT, and 9/11 marked the start of the WOT. There was no reason to go into Afghanistan prior to that.

And why no jihadist attacks in Poland? They put more soldiers into Afghanistan than the UK did.

More complex than Corbyn would have you believe. His head is in a different sandpit.

It is also a lot more complex than "They hate our freedoms too"

In the 90's Christians were slaughtering Muslims in Bosnia whilst the Moral West watched and allowed it to happen.

Also wasn't East Timor part of Indonesia? South Sudan part of Sudan why did they get split so quickly by the Freedom lovers and not Chechnya, Kashmir Palestine etc etc etc

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that a huge recruiter for former CIA asset Bin Laden.

Then there is also the Political element to it. The Palestine issue and also what Bin Laden admitted was one of his main gripes the Western troops in the Holy land.

Also in regards to lack of integration to blame for these attack many U.S Pakistani's have been involved in terrorism there including both WTC attacks.
 
Actually the WTC was bombed before the WOT, and 9/11 marked the start of the WOT. There was no reason to go into Afghanistan prior to that.

And why no jihadist attacks in Poland? They put more soldiers into Afghanistan than the UK did.

More complex than Corbyn would have you believe. His head is in a different sandpit.

Sorry to butt in, but i think the biggest reason why Poland hasn't suffered any jihadist attack is because they have flat out refused to grant asylum to any refugees. Even their immigration policy is very strict. Same for Japan. No terrorist attacks there as they refuse 99% of immigrants.

I remember reading somewhere that around 1,50,000 Polish people took to the streets in Warsaw to protest against 'Islamification of Europe' sometime back.
 
Last edited:
It is also a lot more complex than "They hate our freedoms too"

In the 90's Christians were slaughtering Muslims in Bosnia whilst the Moral West watched and allowed it to happen.

Also wasn't East Timor part of Indonesia? South Sudan part of Sudan why did they get split so quickly by the Freedom lovers and not Chechnya, Kashmir Palestine etc etc etc

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that a huge recruiter for former CIA asset Bin Laden.

Then there is also the Political element to it. The Palestine issue and also what Bin Laden admitted was one of his main gripes the Western troops in the Holy land.

Also in regards to lack of integration to blame for these attack many U.S Pakistani's have been involved in terrorism there including both WTC attacks.

Of course, not for an instant do I agree with EDL and MAGA idiots.

NATO stopped the genocide of Muslims in Bosnia.

Not getting the thrust of your second point.

Israel is a constant fly in the ointment of course. But no POTUS will end support for them because he will lose the Bible Belt vote if he does. Catch-22.

I think we can agree that the Saudis are exporting terror which kills far more Muslims than it kills Westerners, and if the West had never intervened in any Muslim counties this would still happen.
 
Sorry to butt in, but i think the biggest reason why Poland hasn't suffered any jihadist attack is because they have flat out refused to grant asylum to any refugees. Even their immigration policy is very strict. Same for Japan. No terrorist attacks there as they refuse 99% of immigrants.

I remember reading somewhere that around 1,50,000 Polish people took to the streets in Warsaw to protest against the Íslamification of Europe' sometime back.

I have been to Poland for business and I saw Arabs there living it up and also Tartars. The reason Poland doesn't get attacked is the same reason Bulgaria with the large Turkish and Pomak population doesn't get attacked i.e nothing of value.
 
Back
Top