Losing last 8 wickets for 8 runs - Was the English collapse in 3rd T20I worst in cricket history?

[ShoonyaSifar]

England were 119/2 and got bundled out for 127.

In almost 30 years of watching cricket, haven't seen anything like that. Yes its T20 and things like that will happen, still it was surreal to watch. England suddenly gave up and looked in a rush to end their innings and perhaps fly back home!

 

[Statsman]

In terms of numbers maybe but I still rate Bangladesh's collapse against Stuart Binny as the worst. I think it was 8 wickets for 14 runs.

 

[Haripotter]

Their slump was the second-worst eight-wicket collapse in the history of international cricket - New Zealand lost 8-5 in a Test against Australia in 1946.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

In terms of numbers maybe but I still rate Bangladesh's collapse against Stuart Binny as the worst. I think it was 8 wickets for 14 runs.

That was on a pitch where we were bundled out for 100+ and the ball was swinging and seaming miles. No such demons at Chinnaswamy, was a good batting track

 

[RamLakhan]

No credit for good attacking bowling?

 

[spade]

They never looked like chasing down the score, Dhoni and Yuvraj's partnership took the game away from Eng. Chahal got lucky there, he is a very average bowler, mishra on the other hand can stifle the opposition with his variations in t20s.

 

[RamLakhan]

They never looked like chasing down the score, Dhoni and Yuvraj's partnership took the game away from Eng. Chahal got lucky there, he is a very average bowler, mishra on the other hand can stifle the opposition with his variations in t20s.

Do you mean to say Chahal is the spin version of Binny

 

[Tekcirc]

No credit for good attacking bowling?

It was a patta when Indians were batting, but suddenly gremlins entered the pitch in the 14th over.
Indian bowling was average, will remain average!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

OP is making a point and people are taking a totally different direction.

This has got nothing to do with giving or taking credit away from bowling attack.

If a team loses 8 wickets for 8 runs even against Wasim, Waqar, McGrath, Marshall and Donald...people will ask why such a collapse cos regardless of bowling quality, you shouldn't be collapsing this way.

 

[JaDed]

Well it was an amusing sight considering now they have choked twice in India in a decider once against Windies and once against us.

Yesterday's match They had absolutely no idea how to play legspin no wonder Jaddu was a better performer in tests too.

 

[Ankit007]

It was a patta when Indians were batting, but suddenly gremlins entered the pitch in the 14th over.
Indian bowling was average, will remain average!

But Why??? Because its Indian bowling mate...

 

[Napa]

Their slump was the second-worst eight-wicket collapse in the history of international cricket - New Zealand lost 8-5 in a Test against Australia in 1946.

Very different situation in this game compared to a Test. Here the batsmen had no option but to try to hit everything hard. Chahal was bowling googlies outside off-stump, not the best ball to smack.

 

[ExpressPacer]

It was hard to believe. Pathetic cricket by England, to be honest. Overhyped players who only come good in non pressure situations. I really hope that cricket grows as a sport within the English society because it seems like even American Football seems to be receiving more importance these days.

 

[street cricketer]

Would have raised eyebrows and garnered questions on their integrity had it been Pakistan.

But since it's England...

Not questioning the integrity of England's players. Just putting out the hypocrisy of the many English and Australian fans who regularly indulge when an asian team collapses.

 

[jeetu]

Still not my favourite English collapse vs India

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-champions-trophy-2013/engine/current/match/566948.html

England were 4/110 needing 129 to win. Icing on the cake it was ICC Champions Trophy - Final , it happened in England.

 

[RamLakhan]

OP is making a point and people are taking a totally different direction.

This has got nothing to do with giving or taking credit away from bowling attack.

If a team loses 8 wickets for 8 runs even against Wasim, Waqar, McGrath, Marshall and Donald...people will ask why such a collapse cos regardless of bowling quality, you shouldn't be collapsing this way.

Not regarding OP but the aftermath in the thread!

 

[Gilly]

Would have raised eyebrows and garnered questions on their integrity had it been Pakistan.

But since it's England...

Not questioning the integrity of England's players. Just putting out the hypocrisy of the many English and Australian fans who regularly indulge when an asian team collapses.

So its the English and Australians fans you wanted to call hypocrites because as you say if it had of been Pakistan they would have questioned the integrity of Pakistan.

How sweet it is to see a Indian fan fighting the good fight for Pakistan, you are a hero to many.

 

[street cricketer]

So its the English and Australians fans you wanted to call hypocrites because as you say if it had of been Pakistan they would have questioned the integrity of Pakistan.

How sweet it is to see a Indian fan fighting the good fight for Pakistan, you are a hero to many.

Doesn't hurt to call out hypocrisy.

 

[Gilly]

Doesn't hurt to call out hypocrisy.

Of course not, its always good to see hypocrisy called out.

But who are you calling out, Convict, Robert or maybe me.

 

[street cricketer]

Of course not, its always good to see hypocrisy called out.

But who are you calling out, Convict, Robert or maybe me.

Did I say the English and Australian fans of PP?

 

[Gilly]

Did I say the English and Australian fans of PP?

So now you are calling English and Australian fans (not the ones on PP ) hypocrites, even though they do not post here. Just curious as to why you didn't tell them on the site where they could read it.

 

[street cricketer]

So now you are calling English and Australian fans (not the ones on PP ) hypocrites, even though they do not post here. Just curious as to why you didn't tell them on the site where they could read it.

Why do you get so defensive?

Are you one of those who posts comments about fixing every time an asian team collapses?

 

[Gilly]

Why do you get so defensive?

Are you one of those who posts comments about fixing every time an asian team collapses?

I just thought it was weird for an Indian poster to call English fans hypocrites on PP where the English fans are not hypocrites and then say he was talking about fans somewhere else.

Just seems really weird to me, but I know that Indian fans (not on PP ) are the worst when it comes to boasting about how good their team is when they win at home then go quiet when touring.

 

[street cricketer]

I just thought it was weird for an Indian poster to call English fans hypocrites on PP where the English fans are not hypocrites and then say he was talking about fans somewhere else.

Just seems really weird to me, but I know that Indian fans (not on PP ) are the worst when it comes to boasting about how good their team is when they win at home then go quiet when touring.

Tell you what, start a petition here calling for the moderation of my original comment if it offends you so much. I'll sign it as well..

 

[Gilly]

Tell you what, start a petition here calling for the moderation of my original comment if it offends you so much. I'll sign it as well..

I'm not offended at all, slightly amused would be more appropriate.

I have read how big headed the indian fans have got from their win over the poms though.

 

[street cricketer]

Just seems really weird to me, but I know that Indian fans (not on PP ) are the worst when it comes to boasting about how good their team is when they win at home then go quiet when touring.

I have read how big headed the indian fans have got from their win over the poms though.

Are these baits to make me similarly defensive?

 

[Gilly]

Are these baits to make me similarly defensive?

More for your amusement.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

I do remember NZ loosing 8 wickets for 10runs and 7 for 8 odd runs against Pak in two separate occasions.
I still remember the heading of Cricket Samrat
Akhtar bowled a ferocious spell in second match of 2003 /04 test series.

 

[Stark]

I'm not offended at all, slightly amused would be more appropriate.
I have read how big headed SOME OF the indian fans have got from their win over the poms though.

That is more appropriate.

 

[Stark]

While it was befuddling, still not scandalous enough.

 

[Swanny]

Assuming the game wasn't fixed collapse was more as a result of run rate pressure than anything else. Our bowling & fielding was ordinary.

 

[Stallion__]

No, I was amused but not surprised. They weren't going anywhere towards the target. They got out trying to hit out. Even worse are the ones when batsmen get out trying to defend.

 

[786warrior]

Nope it wasn't the worst - take your pic from many of the heroic Pak innings against Aus!!!

1999 WC final

Test series where Pak team bowled out for scores in 50s in both innings of test match against Aus

The Pak circus that decided to give 9 wickets to the same bowler (Kumble) in one innings of test match vs India

Plenty more….

 

[Robert]

In almost 30 years of watching cricket, haven't seen anything like that.

No. It was only a T20. Waqar and Wasim used to do that to test sides.

 

[The_Odd_One]

And some believe that England is going to win the champions trophy and the World Cup. As I have said before, Root, Buttler, and Stokes are probably the three biggest chokers in the world today.

 

[Bilal7]

Their batting order needs some reshuffling. Stokes is too high batting at #5, Morgan is the new Cook and his slow batting at the start if his innings sucks the momentum out of the game. Something like this will ensure that they have the same amount of destructive power but also have some substance to go with the style:

1) Hales
2) Roy
3) Root
4) Ali
5) Buttler (c)
6) Stokes
7) Bairstow/Billings (wk)
8) Woakes
9) Willey

The tail

 

[Pollack]

Jason Roy is a hack. His bubble is soon going to burst.

 

[Pollack]

Englands champions trophy collapse was more enjoyable.

 

[Mamoon]

No, but certainly one of the worst in recent memory.

I don't fault their batting. It is fantastic in the shorter formats, but it is their bowling that continues to let them down. If you keep conceding mega totals in Limited Overs, your batting will eventually crack and that is what happened here.

Their batting unit has spearhead their resurgence, from scoring 400+ numerous times to chasing 230 in a T20, but they can't do it all the time.

England is one strike bowler away from becoming virtually unbeatable in Limited Overs, but as things stand, their existing attack is simply not good enough for the top teams.

 

[Tusker]

No, but certainly one of the worst in recent memory.

I don't fault their batting. It is fantastic in the shorter formats, but it is their bowling that continues to let them down. If you keep conceding mega totals in Limited Overs, your batting will eventually crack and that is what happened here.

Their batting unit has spearhead their resurgence, from scoring 400+ numerous times to chasing 230 in a T20, but they can't do it all the time.

England is one strike bowler away from becoming virtually unbeatable in Limited Overs, but as things stand, their existing attack is simply not good enough for the top teams.

failed to chase down 145 in the previous game ... that was a much easier chase and the series would have been done and dusted.

 

[Mamoon]

failed to chase down 145 in the previous game ... that was a much easier chase and the series would have been done and dusted.

Poor umpiring cost them that match, India got away with it big time. Over the last 2 years, they have batted exceptionally well in Limited Overs but it is their bowling that has let them down time and time again. In fact, the lack of good death bowlers cost them the WT20 title.

 

[R0H1T]

Poor umpiring cost them that match, India got away with it big time. Over the last 2 years, they have batted exceptionally well in Limited Overs but it is their bowling that has let them down time and time again. In fact, the lack of good death bowlers cost them the WT20 title.

From some other cricket fanatic ~

I can't believe that an umpire who has made a couple of largely inconsequential errors in a t20 match has been called out so many times by England players and the media in so many articles.

It's as if everybody in the England camp is desperate to draw attention away from the fact that scoring only a couple of runs in the final over of a t20 match and falling a few runs short of the target with 4 wickets in hand is the real failure here.

Meanwhile , in test cricket, Nigel Llong probably eats those sorts of umpiring errors for breakfast and still has room for plenty of blunders and some hot tea.

The point being Root is the one who lost them both games, not the umpire or whatever else the whinefest will make you believe!

 

[Mamoon]

From some other cricket fanatic ~

The point being Root is the one who lost them both games, not the umpire or whatever else the whinefest will make you believe!

Root didn't play a great innings, but it doesn't change the fact that he was wrongly given out and it influenced the outcome of the match.

On a dry wicket with a lot of batsmen struggling to time their shots barring Rahul, you would back a batsman who has been there for 37 deliveries to finish the job rather than the batsmen who were new at the crease.

England should still have won, absolutely, but there is no point in deflecting attention from the fact that it was awful umpiring and India got lucky.

 

[street cricketer]

Root didn't play a great innings, but it doesn't change the fact that he was wrongly given out and it influenced the outcome of the match.

On a dry wicket with a lot of batsmen struggling to time their shots barring Rahul, you would back a batsman who has been there for 37 deliveries to finish the job rather than the batsmen who were new at the crease.

England should still have won, absolutely, but there is no point in deflecting attention from the fact that it was awful umpiring and India got lucky.

I'm not sure this is a straight forward case. I don't think it's as simple as England would've won if not for that wrong decision. What all this outcry over the umpire does is that it hides the fact that Root was struggling to get bat on ball in the death overs. Cricket is a game of uncertainties and England might have lost or might well have won too. We will never know because we cannot change what has happened. But what we do know is that England were struggling to pick up Bumrah in his last 2 overs. Root was simply swiping his bat across the line hoping to connect one but failing each time as he was misreading his slower balls. England managed only 3 runs off the 18th over bowled by Bumrah and 2 runs off his last over (including a legbye). All the hysteria and the accosting of the umpire by Morgan & co after the match almost seems like an attempt to deflect the reality that England could manage only 5 runs off Bumrah's last 2 overs when England actually needed 27 runs from the last 3 to win.

Anyway it never occurred to me it was a game changing decision even after I saw the inside edge on Root's decision. I know it was a slow wicket but T20 is a very fast moving game where the value of a wicket isn't as great as in test cricket. 8 runs off the last over should be a walk in the park in any ODI, never mind a T20. Moreover Root was struggling to get bat on ball so much so that if anything, the umpire did a favour by putting him out of his misery and letting Moeen have a go. England's failure in that chase (the bad decisions notwithstanding) reinforced two things:

1. England are so good at hitting pacers regardless of their pace but struggle when pace is taken off the ball. Their struggles against spin are well known and their firebrand way of playing aggressive cricket takes a hit on slow wickets against spinners where it is not as easy to hit through the line.

2. Root is trying too hard to be a power hitter. He has said on record to Nasser in South Africa that he felt left behind when his teammates like Roy, Hales, Buttler, Stokes, Morgan & co were hitting bowlers out of the park with utmost ease. Maybe he feels he needs to match up to Kohli and play Virat's role in the England team but Root has always been a great timer of the ball just like Kohli. He gets into awful positions while trying that heave to the midwicket, it looks great when it comes off but he isn't as good at holding his shape when playing the big shots. He needs to just play his shots by timing them rather than trying to match Roy or Billings or Stokes in trying to belt them out of the ground.

The first weakness might not be as big a factor in England. But England also need to improve their bowling attack. A football team cannot win with 8 forwards and just 2 defenders.

 

[Varun]

It was a poor collapse, but nothing comes close to the Desh losing from the jaws of victory at the same ground same time last year in the World T20.