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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/paris-louvre-soldier-shooting-1.3965025

A French soldier shot and wounded a man armed with a machete and carrying two bags on his back on Friday morning as he tried to enter the Louvre Museum in Paris in what police said looked like a terrorist attack.

The man attacked another soldier before being shot near the museum's shopping mall, police said, adding a second person had also been detained after acting suspiciously.

The attacker was alive but seriously wounded, the head of Paris police Michel Cadot told reporters at the scene, adding the bags he had been carrying contained no explosives.

"The soldier fired five bullets," Cadot said, describing how the man hurried threateningly towards the soldiers.

"It was an attack by a person... who represented a direct threat and whose actions suggested a terrorist context."

A spokesman for the military force that patrols key sites in Paris said the suspect attacked the four-man patrol of soldiers at the Louvre after he was refused entry — because of the bags he was carrying — to a shopping complex under the museum. Some 3,500 soldiers patrol key sites as part of beefed-up security measures in Paris.

By 12:30 p.m. local time, police had lifted roadblocks in the area. Staff members returned to the shopping mall and tourists streamed out of the museum.

Hundreds of tourists had remained inside during the incident, and some were brought into special safe rooms, according to a witness.

An anti-terrorism inquiry has been opened, the public prosecutor said in a statement.

The identity and nationality of the attacker remains unknown for now, French Interior Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet told reporters.

France has been hit by a series of attacks over the past two years that have killed more than 230 people.

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French police secure the site near the Louvre Pyramid on Friday. (Christian Hartmann/Reuters)

The country is less than three months away from a presidential election in which security and fears of terrorism are among the key issues. It has been living under a state of emergency since November 2015.

The most recent deadly attack took place in the southern city of Nice when a man drove a truck into a crowd on the seafront killing 86.

In September, in an attempted attack, a group of women parked a car containing gas canisters near Paris's Notre Dame Cathedral.

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Police cordoned off and evacuated the area around the museum on Friday. Louvre officials closed the museum and kept visitors inside from leaving.

Soldiers on patrol near the museum are part of security measures that have beefed-up in the wake of terror attacks in France in 2015 and 2016.
 
Louvre attack: Egyptian man, 29, believed to be assailant

French authorities say they believe the man who tried to attack the Louvre museum in the capital Paris on Friday was an Egyptian national aged 29.

Prosecutor Francois Molins said he is thought to have travelled to Paris from Dubai on a tourist visa last month.

Police are trying to establish if the man acted alone or under instructions, he added.

The machete-wielding attacker was critically injured after he was shot by French soldiers in a bid to stop him.

One of the soldiers received minor injuries when the man tried to enter the museum.

At the time of the incident, hundreds of visitors were inside the Louvre, which is home to numerous celebrated art works, including the Mona Lisa.

President Francois Hollande praised the soldiers' actions, saying "this operation prevented an attack whose terrorist nature leaves little doubt".

He told reporters at an EU summit in Malta on Friday that he expected the suspect to be questioned "when it is possible to do so".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38863431
 
Escape from hell, go to a western nation and attack the civilians there.

Such imbeciles.

With News like these, the banning of some Muslim countries by Trumpanzee is looking like a Master Stroke.
 
Escape from hell, go to a western nation and attack the civilians there.

Such imbeciles.

With News like these, the banning of some Muslim countries by Trumpanzee is looking like a Master Stroke.

Well if one notices all instances of foreign Islamist terrorism have actually been committed by nationals from countries that haven't been banned...
 
Surprisingly this thread doesn't have many replies. Unfortunately now if Le Pen wins, I won't be surprised over the pages of outrage
 
Setting up nicely for Le Pen ...God help us all..

The 2 round voting system that France has should keep her out. She may well win the first round however when it comes to round 2, where the top 2 candidates proceed, all the losers from round 1 will rally behind the candidate who is facing Le Pen.

For example (from today's UK Telegraph):

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Well we hope she loses or it's a lot of economic turmoil. However I am worried about Fillons ratings and it is likely at this rate it is Macron vs Marine
 
Can you really blame Trump for banning immigration from Muslim countries? I know many Muslims won't like to hear this but I'm going to say it anyway. There are way too many nutters like this guy prevalent within the Muslim community. There is a problem of terrorism and extremism in the Muslim community and I think us Muslims should accept it.
 
Can you really blame Trump for banning immigration from Muslim countries? I know many Muslims won't like to hear this but I'm going to say it anyway. There are way too many nutters like this guy prevalent within the Muslim community. There is a problem of terrorism and extremism in the Muslim community and I think us Muslims should accept it.

I do wholeheartedly agree.

I hope the United Kingdom do the same. Oh, just saw you live in London.

:)
 
Expected response.

A flawed argument(if that can be called one) gets a response like this.

Go on and try again and perhaps without condemning 1.5 billion people and painting them with the same brush.

You can talk about the challenges with extremism without being stupid about it and sounding like a 10 year old kid.
 
A flawed argument(if that can be called one) gets a response like this.

Go on and try again and perhaps without condemning 1.5 billion people and painting them with the same brush.

You can talk about the challenges with extremism without being stupid about it and sounding like a 10 year old kid.

I've always been against mass immigration tbh. Immigration shouldn't be banned but it should be significantly reduced. I'm sick of so many people coming into the west and still not letting go of their old culture.

And secondly I didn't call every single Muslim a terrorist. I know that like 95% Muslims are fine people but there is a still a problem of terrorism within the Muslim community and that's an unfortunate fact that I as a Muslim have come to accept. It's time every other Muslims accepts that unfortunate fact too.
 
French investigators believe the man who launched a machete attack in Paris, before being shot and wounded by a soldier, is a 29-year-old Egyptian man who entered the country on a tourist visa.

Francois Molins, the chief prosecutor of Paris, told a press conference on Friday that the man, who carried out the attack near the entrance of the Louvre museum, had no identity papers on him when he was arrested.

However, mobile phone data suggested he had arrived in Paris on January 26 after acquiring a one-month tourist visa from the French embassy in Dubai.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.al...e-attacker-170204050046094.html?client=safari
 
Alleged Louvre attacker's father says son is not a terrorist

MANSOURA, Egypt (AP) — The father of an Egyptian man accused of attacking French soldiers guarding Paris' Louvre museum says he trusts the French judiciary to find out the truth behind his son's alleged involvement.

Reda Refaie al-Hamahmy tells The Associated Press late Saturday that his 28-year-old son Abdullah is not a terrorist and that he leads a normal life with his wife and infant son.

Speaking at the family home in the Nile Delta city of Mansoura, north of Cairo, the father said "if he is convicted, God be with us. But if he is innocent, they owe us an apology."

The Paris prosecutor's office says the attacker was shot four times Friday after injuring a soldier patrolling an underground mall near the famous museum but his injuries are no longer life-threatening.

https://apnews.com/216f1c6f2f9543f1...attacker's-father-says-son-is-not-a-terrorist
 
Escape from hell, go to a western nation and attack the civilians there.

Such imbeciles.

With News like these, the banning of some Muslim countries by Trumpanzee is looking like a Master Stroke.
The attack is Egyptian and travelled to Paris from Dubai on a tourist visa last month. He wasn't a refugee. Are you going to stop issuing all tourists visas ?

Can you really blame Trump for banning immigration from Muslim countries? I know many Muslims won't like to hear this but I'm going to say it anyway. There are way too many nutters like this guy prevalent within the Muslim community. There is a problem of terrorism and extremism in the Muslim community and I think us Muslims should accept it.

Terrorism by Muslims makes up 0.3% percent of all murders in the US.

By contrast, roughly 11,000 Americans were killed in gun homicides last year - yet you don't hear the Trump or the Reich-wing bots ever call for a registry of gun owners. Should we ban American immigration into Europe in the name of security ? Of course not.

The rest of the post I agree with.
 
What I find interesting is how the "moral capital" changes such situation : a single individual with a machete is doing a "terrorist attack" (when it can theoretically be a "fait divers" as we say in French, "trivial" petty criminality which can happen for a host of reasons, and no reason) while the US worldwide war machine, which last year has launched a bomb every 8 minute on Syria, is not "terrorist" because of the "motives".
 
The attack is Egyptian and travelled to Paris from Dubai on a tourist visa last month. He wasn't a refugee. Are you going to stop issuing all tourists visas ?

Terrorism by Muslims makes up 0.3% percent of all murders in the US.

By contrast, roughly 11,000 Americans were killed in gun homicides last year
- yet you don't hear the Trump or the Reich-wing bots ever call for a registry of gun owners. Should we ban American immigration into Europe in the name of security ? Of course not.

The rest of the post I agree with.

Thats their country and their way of life. Their society sees possessing a gun an integral part of their civilian life something similar to the FATA provinces in Pakistan. People driving planes into skyscrapers is not something they signed up for. With the drone programs, USA killed a lot of civilians in FATA. I did not see you justifying the drone programs stating more civilians were being killed in terrorist bomb attacks.

What I find reprehensible is that educated people like you refuse to acknowledge that most people are frustrated with the "few misguided youth" which gets thrown around every time. From outside it seems there is very little being done on the ground, to educate youth that terrorism is just not an option.
 
Thats their country and their way of life. Their society sees possessing a gun an integral part of their civilian life something similar to the FATA provinces in Pakistan. People driving planes into skyscrapers is not something they signed up for. With the drone programs, USA killed a lot of civilians in FATA. I did not see you justifying the drone programs stating more civilians were being killed in terrorist bomb attacks.

What I find reprehensible is that educated people like you refuse to acknowledge that most people are frustrated with the "few misguided youth" which gets thrown around every time. From outside it seems there is very little being done on the ground, to educate youth that terrorism is just not an option.

I'm not saying strip away the Second Amendment, that's a strawman you've created. But if protecting US lives is your concern - surely you'd agree with me that common sense gun safety laws should be a bigger priority given FAR more Americans are killed by homegrown mass shooters than foreign-born terrorists every year ?

Look, is extremism a problem ? Yes, but let's keep the proportion of the threat in perspective instead of buying into media sensationalism. Americans are statistically more likely to die being struck by lightning or drowning in a bathtub than in attacks by foreign-born terrorists on US soil.

As for your last point, there is work being done to counter radicalisation in Muslim communities but it doesn't get publicised. Nor is it possible to stop every crazed individual out there committing violence in the name of an ideology, be it Islamist fundamentalism or far-right nationalism which is also on the rise and something the Trump Administration wants to ignore as part of its CVE initiative.
 
I'm not saying strip away the Second Amendment, that's a strawman you've created. But if protecting US lives is your concern - surely you'd agree with me that common sense gun safety laws should be a bigger priority given FAR more Americans are killed by homegrown mass shooters than foreign-born terrorists every year ?

Look, is extremism a problem ? Yes, but let's keep the proportion of the threat in perspective instead of buying into media sensationalism. Americans are statistically more likely to die being struck by lightning or drowning in a bathtub than in attacks by foreign-born terrorists on US soil.
Really? You brought in the stats on gun-violence. Now you are talking about lightning or drowning. You are the one coming up with reasons why terrorists incidents can be ignored considering they dont really happen on US soil. Not surprising tbh, you wont talk about the German and French attacks, and why people in the States could be paranoid about the attacks being repeated there.

As for your last point, there is work being done to counter radicalisation in Muslim communities but it doesn't get publicised. Nor is it possible to stop every crazed individual out there committing violence in the name of an ideology, be it Islamist fundamentalism or far-right nationalism which is also on the rise and something the Trump Administration wants to ignore as part of its CVE initiative.

Yeah lets bring in far-right nationalism. Across the globe we dont really see Americans carrying out suicide missions for their motherland. Was the Louvre attacker a far-right nationalist? Its disingenious to talk about nationalist groups in the same tone as the Islamist ones. Radical Islamic extremism has provided the fuel, created a fear psychosis which these groups are tapping into.

What really triggers people is that most attackers are second generation immigrants. These people will launch a murderous attack on the people they have lived with all their lives for their co-religionist in far-off Syria. You probably see nothing wrong in that, but for the rest it raises questions. Do they want their children with the same terrorism issues that they are dealing with now? Probably not. And therein lies the answer to the rise of the far right.
 
Does no one ever ask the question how is ISIS such a feared organisation around the world when this sort of desperate loony attack with a machete is the best they can come up with?

If you were a Hollywood producer you couldn't exactly make a Die Hard franchise out of it could you?
 
Really? You brought in the stats on gun-violence. Now you are talking about lightning or drowning. You are the one coming up with reasons why terrorists incidents can be ignored considering they dont really happen on US soil. Not surprising tbh, you wont talk about the German and French attacks, and why people in the States could be paranoid about the attacks being repeated there.
These aren't reasons to ignore terrorism but facts to keep the threat in perspective. Go look at the numbers yourself if you don't believe me. Americans are 3,000 more times more likely to die at the hands of their own countrymen wielding a firearm than by a foreign-born jihadi. From 2005 to 2015, over 300,000 Americans were killed by guns; 94 were killed by jihadists. EVEN if you include 9/11 that number doesn't come close to the number of gun homicide victims. Surely even you can see what constitutes a bigger risk to the lives of US citizens.

And how many Americans have been killed by jihadis posing as refugees from the countries on Trump's ban list ? ZERO. So Trump's policy is wholly illogical and will make counter-terror cooperation with Muslim communities harder, a view shared by the majority of CIA officials and terrorism experts unless you think you've more expertise in this subject than them.

Yeah lets bring in far-right nationalism. Across the globe we dont really see Americans carrying out suicide missions for their motherland. Was the Louvre attacker a far-right nationalist? Its disingenious to talk about nationalist groups in the same tone as the Islamist ones. Radical Islamic extremism has provided the fuel, created a fear psychosis which these groups are tapping into.

What really triggers people is that most attackers are second generation immigrants. These people will launch a murderous attack on the people they have lived with all their lives for their co-religionist in far-off Syria. You probably see nothing wrong in that, but for the rest it raises questions. Do they want their children with the same terrorism issues that they are dealing with now? Probably not. And therein lies the answer to the rise of the far right.
Firstly I don't condone terrorism so don't post such nonsense. Muslims around the world have suffered more due to terrorism than any other group so Muslims don't need lectures in counter-terrorism from Trump supporters like you. Secondly, I mention the far-right because if you want to tackle terrorism in the name of political ideology - why stop at Islamist groups ? Have you already forgotten about Quebec ? Or Dylann Roof ? Eddie Mair ? Anders Breivik ? A 2015 report from the New America Foundation found that of the 28 deadly homegrown terror attacks since 9/11 in the US, 18 were incidents inspired by right-wing extremism, while 10 were inspired by Islamic extremism.

As for the solutions, we must live in the real world and adopt realistic solutions, not introduce illogical policies (like the travel ban) that'll inflame extremism. If you look at recent acts of terror in France, Belgium and Germany - they've mostly been committed not by refugees but by Muslims of North African descent. In the communities where they live, there is high unemployment, ghettoisation and discrimination that results in alienation. This alienation is channeled into destructive violence as the influence of Wahabism has increased due to Saudi money. Socio economic reform is needed. Also I'd personally take a cue from Austria and ban foreign funding of mosques.

Then you must address social media propaganda. Finally, work with Muslim communities instead of viewing them as a Fifth Column and support the groups that are fighting ISIS and al-Qaeda in the Middle East. As ISIS keep losing ground, the flow of foreign recruits will decrease as nobody wants to join a losing army. As for the refugee issue, ensure tight vetting procedures and emphasise cultural integration.
 
Terrorism by Muslims makes up 0.3% percent of all murders in the US.

By contrast, roughly 11,000 Americans were killed in gun homicides last year - yet you don't hear the Trump or the Reich-wing bots ever call for a registry of gun owners. Should we ban American immigration into Europe in the name of security ? Of course not.

The rest of the post I agree with.

I agree with your post. I'm of the opinion that immigration should be significantly reduced. I'm against mass immigration.
 
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