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"Magnificent Pakistan end 30 years of pain to triumph in Ahmedabad as they defeat Australia in final" Any believers?

You guys - Pakistan fan's who are not giving him respect that he deserved.
Pakistan cricket team has lots of problems but Rizwan is not include in that list.
Rizwan is 31 year old so he has enough time and Capabilities to become best ever Pakistan WK batsman.
I've said it time and time again, I'm not a pakistani fan 😂😂. I've said aus and NZ and hammered it over non stop. I talk about pakistan cause their the funniest team and the fans are beyond entertaining to talk to lol.

Rizwan is 100% included in that list. They all are minus fakhar, chacha and maybe saud.

Chacha is medicore but atleast the guy tries to bash. Chacha bashed Nepal as he rightfully should whereas babar against Nepal was still spineless, he waited till he got his 100 to bash the next 50 of 18 when Babar could have easily gotten a 50 ball 100 on a lahore pitch against such bowling.

Fakhar is in the same boat, inconsistent but alone can win games like his ct 2017 knock and falhar kicks off against quality bowling occasionally.

Saud idk, but in test he was free flowing and in the warmups he plays without fear and does his best for the team.

Babar and rizwan play for themselves and kill the moment, Their incapable of going > 100 sr against semi decent attacks. Sri lanka bowling attack without mattews was the most toothless bowling attack rizzu and Abdullah faced.
 
Bro even after 2013 when Dhoni was still captain and in the playing 11 India faltered.

That's not a good metric to measure. Ko stages can be lost if a team has a bad day.

It's not a good metric to measure. Sa is the 2nd best team in the tournament and they lost their only game to nedtherlands due to chasing 2nd choke
As i said MSD rarely loses with a good team. When we lost T20 we were actually a bad team. MSD in playing as a non captain is not a good thing :) He can be counter-productive. There was complaint about him deliberately under-performing against England and NZ in semi final. Besides the way he sets fields, controls the bowlers about where to bowl is something that you can't see with Kohli. Kohli is a much better test captain. His aggression suits him. In LOIs you have to be street smart.
 
First let us win against New Zealand and england then we can talk about semis
 
No.

I'm still harbouring pessimism over our top 4 chances, and you've got it all mapped out! 🤣
 
Pakistan and it's fans are amazing. Whether you rate them or not , they'll always come in like that small team that everybody is scared of facing.

They'll play like a 15th ranked side for most of the tournament, but with the unwavering support of their mercurial fans and some good luck at a very opportune time, they will wreak chaos with a couple of giant-killing performances.


Neighbours Afghans have been a similiar threat on this World Cup. :yk2


NZ have a short turnaround of 2 days and they are now plagued with injuries .

PAK are on the ascent.

Proper cricketing fairytale stuff.
Yeah. I think their fans are way way more optimistic and supportive. We guys have become too cynical and realistic. Sometimes a fertile imagination is what it takes to change reality and maybe that's why the Pak team have been capable in the past of crazy comebacks. We did that in Australia after Kohli left, but that was more like a one-off in recent times.

Look at OP. I've been enjoying his passion. At one point he was almost violent to his team :srt , but he is representative of the average Pakistani fan who can swing from despair to hatred to pure love for their players.

Truly 👏
 
India can and will lose to South Africa

We cant play India in the semis. It's better if we don't qualify at all.
Losing to them in a knockout will send me and most of us into deep sadness which can take years to recover.
I read this last line and thought Thank God I'm not the only one who feels this way!!
 
After defeating only Netherlands, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in their 7 matches so far, Pakistani fans have started dreaming of winning the World Cup 🤡

Dreams are all you have when the team is not good enough to turn them into reality.

Pakistan will not fluke the World Cup trophy from here and they don’t deserve to either.
 
After defeating only Netherlands, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in their 7 matches so far, Pakistani fans have started dreaming of winning the World Cup 🤡

Dreams are all you have when the team is not good enough to turn them into reality.

Pakistan will not fluke the World Cup trophy from here and they don’t deserve to either.
England couldn’t even beat Sri Lanka and have by far the worst run rate in the entire tournament, even below Afghanistan and Netherlands. Now, it looks like England fluked their way to the 2019 trophy since they’re playing the exact same way they did before they had a half decent stretch post 2015. On top of that, they only managed to hold the Ashes one time in the last 10 years so it’s hard to take criticism from an English cricket fan too seriously.
 
At this point, England should probably be dreaming that by some fluke they can qualify for the 2025 Champion’s Trophy.
 
England couldn’t even beat Sri Lanka and have by far the worst run rate in the entire tournament, even below Afghanistan and Netherlands. Now, it looks like England fluked their way to the 2019 trophy since they’re playing the exact same way they did before they had a half decent stretch post 2015. On top of that, they only managed to hold the Ashes one time in the last 10 years so it’s hard to take criticism from an English cricket fan too seriously.
I would ignore, he also had NZ as favourites, and they like Pakistan, could not beat India, SA, or Australia in this WC.
 
England couldn’t even beat Sri Lanka and have by far the worst run rate in the entire tournament, even below Afghanistan and Netherlands. Now, it looks like England fluked their way to the 2019 trophy since they’re playing the exact same way they did before they had a half decent stretch post 2015. On top of that, they only managed to hold the Ashes one time in the last 10 years so it’s hard to take criticism from an English cricket fan too seriously.
I would be more than okay with Pakistan having an England 2023-like World Cup after winning an ODI World Cup and a T20 World Cup over a 4 year period.

But Pakistan doesn’t have the talent or the skill or the mentality to win two World Cups in 4 years and go on the type of run that English cricket did in white ball cricket from 2016-2022.

6-7 year period is a long one in cricket. The current generation of England players achieved everything in the white ball game and this slump was expected because when you have a very successful generation, they all lose their way/retire at the same time and it leads to a transition period.

England did not fluke their way to the World Cup because they were the best white ball team during that 5-6 year stretch and regularly defeated full-strength opposition. They made the T20 World Cup final in 2016 as well and if there was an ODI World Cup every year from 2016 to 2022, they would come very close to winning it every year.

I’m not an England fan because I’m not English. You can’t pick and choose who you support in international sports. However, I have great admiration for England and India because of the way England have gone about their white ball business over the years and they way India play their cricket.

It is extremely rich and extremely funny to see Pakistani fans “show eyes” to England cricket and make condescending statements when Pakistan cannot even dream of embarking on the type of run England did in white ball over the last 5-6 years and Pakistan cannot even dreaming of picking up two World Cups.

So please take England’s name with more respect and worry about the perpetual mediocrity of your talentless and fluke team that not only lacks skill and agility but also lack discipline and accountability.

England cricket hold itself accountable and this is why it picked itself up after 2015 and this why it will pick itself up after 2023 as well. Certain players will have their careers terminated for good in spite of the glory that they have brought in the past.

You can see it on the faces of the England players how upset and disappointed they are. I haven’t seen an England player smiling and laughing in weeks.

This is so because unlike Pakistan, they have heart and desire and they have a winning culture. They take pride in winning and anything short of that isn’t good enough.

In spite of winning 2 World Cups in 4 years, they wanted more and and they are not talking about the 2 World Cups at all because it is in the past.

On the other hand, if Pakistan were to win 2 World Cups in 4 years, you wouldn’t hear the end of it and any subsequent failure would be brushed aside as “but we won 2 World Cups…..”

Even when they are losing, which is basically the time, you will find Pakistani players laughing and cracking jokes because they don’t care. They have no pride and no sense of responsibility and accountability.

They have been hoarding on biryanis, gulab jamun and all the lovely food that is on offer in different Indian cities but not fit for professional athletes especially during a World Cup. Why? Because there is no culture of discipline.

There is no sense of responsibility and fans like yourself are to be blamed as well because you keep making excuses for the team and try to divert the attention by claiming that oh well, England has done worse than Pakistan so it is fine.

Well, firstly, stop looking at others because that won’t make you better and secondly, England’s current generation of white ball players - as explained above - has achieved stuff beyond the dreams and capabilities of Pakistan so all this trash-talk looks very idiotic.

I saw a video on the PCB social media yesterday where the conman Mickey was back with that third class tiny impact award or whatever that he has picked up for 100 Rs. from a gift shop in a hotel.

We didn’t see it for weeks and we hoped to not see again but this is the comedy culture that he is instilling in the team where all is well and dandy after one win against a terrible team after 4 consecutive defeats that has put Pakistan on the brink of elimination.
 
Pakistan and it's fans are amazing. Whether you rate them or not , they'll always come in like that small team that everybody is scared of facing.

They'll play like a 15th ranked side for most of the tournament, but with the unwavering support of their mercurial fans and some good luck at a very opportune time, they will wreak chaos with a couple of giant-killing performances.


Neighbours Afghans have been a similiar threat on this World Cup. :yk2


NZ have a short turnaround of 2 days and they are now plagued with injuries .

PAK are on the ascent.

Proper cricketing fairytale stuff.
Inspiring words! I think what you’re saying is very true, but not for this team. Let’s make no mistake, this team is very different and we really haven’t done anything great in this tournament.

Sure, it was a great fightback vs South Africa, but ultimately, we lost. If we were THAT team, we would have won that game vs South Africa like we did in the last World Cup and kicked off a run. I think that team was more feared than the current one.

The victory vs Bangladesh is a good story and looks better in the context of the backdrop of all the internal strife within PCB and all the nonsense around that. But all we’ve done is beat a team that got thrashed by the Netherlands in their previous game. Before that we lost 4 games on the bounce.

Yes there have been encouraging performances, but ultimately we still have next to zero chance to get through and our only match winner is a hot and cold Fakhar.
 
We will definitely beat India in ko. I can feel it. If we make it. We won't make it though.
I have never been this confident about India as some of the Pak fans are being confident about Pakistan. May be the habit of being prepared for the worst. Probably under MSD we had some level of confidence as he created an aura that he can pull off miracle from any situation. Won WT20, World cup, CT and also several IPLs. Under Kohli we lost our conifdence. Didn't win any cup or any IPL. Now it is Rohit's turn. Although he is better in LOIs, i am still not confident as we were under MSD. Sure we lost under MSD too. But we mostly lose under MSD when our team is actually really bad.
for dhoni, Yuvaraj , Gambhir and suresh Raina stepped up. For the last decade its kohli followed by Rohit. likes of KL Rahul, pandya and suryakumar need to step up this worldcup. Dhoni is once in a generational so comparing him with any one would be futile.


2019 World Cup semis, it was a damp pitch with overnight rain before Indias second innings. More than preassure, its the conditions too that messed up Indias chances. 2017 CT, fakhar Zaman was bowled on a no-ball by bumrah, finest of margins going here and there.
 
Bro thats Pakistan fans in a nutshell.

Like after the rizzu 131 against Sri Lanka I was like okay good innings.

But Pakistan fans were like

- It was a good innings.
- I think rizwan is the best Pakistani wicket keeper batsmen of all time.
- Actually Rizwan is the best wicket keeper in the world and quinton de kock can't even lace his boots.
- Actually rizwan may be top 3 batsmen in the world.
- Actually rizwan is probably the worlds best batsmen
- Actually we believe rizzu is on par with Adam Gilchrist
- Rizzu is already an ATG
😂😂😂

Im not even kidding this fr happened. Me and @TheSultan Fought an entire mafia lol.
And if you didn’t say all of that and more you were branded an “agenda hater”
 
And if you didn’t say all of that and more you were branded an “agenda hater”
A dude came and sprang full on hate messages on me for saying that I was deliberately praising rizwan but secretly planning his downfall with my boys 😂😂.

Like okay buddy, I'm the one who told rizwan to not perform in the 4 games after Sri lanka. It was me and my boys all along 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️.

All I said was it was a good innings but rizzu is nowhere near quinton 😭😭. How does that make me a hater 💀.
 
for dhoni, Yuvaraj , Gambhir and suresh Raina stepped up. For the last decade its kohli followed by Rohit. likes of KL Rahul, pandya and suryakumar need to step up this worldcup. Dhoni is once in a generational so comparing him with any one would be futile.


2019 World Cup semis, it was a damp pitch with overnight rain before Indias second innings. More than preassure, its the conditions too that messed up Indias chances. 2017 CT, fakhar Zaman was bowled on a no-ball by bumrah, finest of margins going here and there.
Why is it that finest of margins have been going here and there for 10 years now? You know why?

Because a cricketer Dhoni who captained the side in 6 t20 World Cups and won only 1 is considered an ATG captain.

A chase master Kohli who failed in 2015 WC semi, 2017 CT Final, 2019 WC semi. All 3 were run chases and got out on single digit score all 3 times.

The day India stop making normal cricketers demi gods is the day you might actually win something substantial
 
I would be more than okay with Pakistan having an England 2023-like World Cup after winning an ODI World Cup and a T20 World Cup over a 4 year period.

But Pakistan doesn’t have the talent or the skill or the mentality to win two World Cups in 4 years and go on the type of run that English cricket did in white ball cricket from 2016-2022.

6-7 year period is a long one in cricket. The current generation of England players achieved everything in the white ball game and this slump was expected because when you have a very successful generation, they all lose their way/retire at the same time and it leads to a transition period.

England did not fluke their way to the World Cup because they were the best white ball team during that 5-6 year stretch and regularly defeated full-strength opposition. They made the T20 World Cup final in 2016 as well and if there was an ODI World Cup every year from 2016 to 2022, they would come very close to winning it every year.

I’m not an England fan because I’m not English. You can’t pick and choose who you support in international sports. However, I have great admiration for England and India because of the way England have gone about their white ball business over the years and they way India play their cricket.

It is extremely rich and extremely funny to see Pakistani fans “show eyes” to England cricket and make condescending statements when Pakistan cannot even dream of embarking on the type of run England did in white ball over the last 5-6 years and Pakistan cannot even dreaming of picking up two World Cups.

So please take England’s name with more respect and worry about the perpetual mediocrity of your talentless and fluke team that not only lacks skill and agility but also lack discipline and accountability.

England cricket hold itself accountable and this is why it picked itself up after 2015 and this why it will pick itself up after 2023 as well. Certain players will have their careers terminated for good in spite of the glory that they have brought in the past.

You can see it on the faces of the England players how upset and disappointed they are. I haven’t seen an England player smiling and laughing in weeks.

This is so because unlike Pakistan, they have heart and desire and they have a winning culture. They take pride in winning and anything short of that isn’t good enough.

In spite of winning 2 World Cups in 4 years, they wanted more and and they are not talking about the 2 World Cups at all because it is in the past.

On the other hand, if Pakistan were to win 2 World Cups in 4 years, you wouldn’t hear the end of it and any subsequent failure would be brushed aside as “but we won 2 World Cups…..”

Even when they are losing, which is basically the time, you will find Pakistani players laughing and cracking jokes because they don’t care. They have no pride and no sense of responsibility and accountability.

They have been hoarding on biryanis, gulab jamun and all the lovely food that is on offer in different Indian cities but not fit for professional athletes especially during a World Cup. Why? Because there is no culture of discipline.

There is no sense of responsibility and fans like yourself are to be blamed as well because you keep making excuses for the team and try to divert the attention by claiming that oh well, England has done worse than Pakistan so it is fine.

Well, firstly, stop looking at others because that won’t make you better and secondly, England’s current generation of white ball players - as explained above - has achieved stuff beyond the dreams and capabilities of Pakistan so all this trash-talk looks very idiotic.

I saw a video on the PCB social media yesterday where the conman Mickey was back with that third class tiny impact award or whatever that he has picked up for 100 Rs. from a gift shop in a hotel.

We didn’t see it for weeks and we hoped to not see again but this is the comedy culture that he is instilling in the team where all is well and dandy after one win against a terrible team after 4 consecutive defeats that has put Pakistan on the brink of elimination.
2017 CT = we won against England and won the tournament.

2019 WC= we won against England and would have gone to the semis if our match against SL had not been a washout.
England would have been eliminated in the group stage If India had not purposely lost to them to eliminate us. If England-India match had taken place before India had already qualified, we would have seen a completely different result.

2021 t20 WC= we won all group matches. Poor captaincy and a dropped catch cost us the semifinal which we had virtually won at one point. Were a much better side than England in that tournament.

2022 t20 WC= England lose to Ireland.
We reached the FINAL. would have won the final if Shaheen had not injured himself.

Our recent ICC tournament performances deserve more credit than what some people like you give.
 
Why is it that finest of margins have been going here and there for 10 years now? You know why?

Because a cricketer Dhoni who captained the side in 6 t20 World Cups and won only 1 is considered an ATG captain.

A chase master Kohli who failed in 2015 WC semi, 2017 CT Final, 2019 WC semi. All 3 were run chases and got out on single digit score all 3 times.

The day India stop making normal cricketers demi gods is the day you might actually win something substantial

India 6 T20 world cups because they were bad on a given day like India bowled no balls against West Indies ina crucial game took wickets of it. Proved to be costly. I won't care much about T20. Our team itself was terrible. But he did win 3 tournaments for india as against nothing by others.
 
Why is it that finest of margins have been going here and there for 10 years now? You know why?

Because a cricketer Dhoni who captained the side in 6 t20 World Cups and won only 1 is considered an ATG captain.

A chase master Kohli who failed in 2015 WC semi, 2017 CT Final, 2019 WC semi. All 3 were run chases and got out on single digit score all 3 times.

The day India stop making normal cricketers demi gods is the day you might actually win something substantial
Dhoni is considered an ATG captain because under him India won every LOI trophy in the world. Which other captain since 2007 have done that? Can you name me one? Go ahead.
 
Dhoni is considered an ATG captain because under him India won every LOI trophy in the world. Which other captain since 2007 have done that? Can you name me one? Go ahead.
Yeah because no captain gets to captain in
6 t20 WCs and 10 ICC tournaments altogether
 
It's funny when Pakistani fans with the type of batsmen they have produced over the years try to mock the likes of Rohit and Kohli.
It's funny how Indian fans consider chokers who haven't won them anything substantial and have always failed in ICC knockouts as All time Greats
 
It's funny how Indian fans consider chokers who haven't won them anything substantial and have always failed in ICC knockouts as All time Greats
LMAO …. and that’s coming from someone whose team last drew a Test match in Australia when Javed Miandad was still playing. Since then they have lost every single Test match they have played in Australia 🤣🤣
 
It's funny when Pakistani fans with the type of batsmen they have produced over the years try to mock the likes of Rohit and Kohli.

Tbf rohit and kohli were lack luster for a while. They got switched on for this world cup though.

Kohli had one 🔥 knock against Pakistan in 2022 wc but he was medicore and played a match losing innings against England, he could have taken his side to 200, but 42 of 50 wasn't good enough. In 2021 kohli had regressed to stat padding and quot captaincy because it was clearly affecting his batting.

Rohit sharma was absymal and not even performing against bamgaldesh for 4 years.

Truth is the whole Indian team since 2021 had been suffering from fatigue and injuries, its why bumrah got pelted in 2021 by Pakistan and NZ.

Their all 100% fit now and back to form. Kohli had to miss 18 odi's and some psl games as well.

But now that India is at 100%, Pakistani fans have no right to criticise kohli and rohit. What's funny is, even an out of form kohli in 2021 and 2022 is superior to entire Pakistani unit 😂😂.
 
It's funny how Indian fans consider chokers who haven't won them anything substantial and have always failed in ICC knockouts as All time Greats
By the way, can you please let me know of the calculations how Pakistan can sneak a backdoor entry into the semis in the World Cup? I actually don't know yet.
 
Tbf rohit and kohli were lack luster for a while. They got switched on for this world cup though.

Kohli had one 🔥 knock against Pakistan in 2022 wc but he was medicore and played a match losing innings against England, he could have taken his side to 200, but 42 of 50 wasn't good enough. In 2021 kohli had regressed to stat padding and quot captaincy because it was clearly affecting his batting.

Rohit sharma was absymal and not even performing against bamgaldesh for 4 years.

Truth is the whole Indian team since 2021 had been suffering from fatigue and injuries, its why bumrah got pelted in 2021 by Pakistan and NZ.

Their all 100% fit now and back to form. Kohli had to miss 18 odi's and some psl games as well.

But now that India is at 100%, Pakistani fans have no right to criticise kohli and rohit. What's funny is, even an out of form kohli in 2021 and 2022 is superior to entire Pakistani unit 😂😂.
Kohli played PSL? Yeh kab hua? 😂
 
2017 CT = we won against England and won the tournament.
Yes we did. Since 2017, England have won two World Cups and we have won nothing.
2019 WC= we won against England and would have gone to the semis if our match against SL had not been a washout.
There is no guarantee that we would have defeated Sri Lanka. It is just what fans like you tell themselves to make themselves feel better.

If West Indies could roll over Pakistan like an associate team, if Bangladesh could beat South Africa, if Pakistan and Sri Lanka could beat England and if Afghanistan could push Pakistan and India to the last ball, Sri Lanka could also have beaten Pakistan.

If the West Indies vs Pakistan match was washed out, fans like you would have never believed in a million years that they would have dismissed Pakistan for 103 runs and chase down the total in 13.4 overs.

That match would also have become a hypothetical one sided victory for Pakistan just like the Sri Lanka match has become one. It is all about trying to make yourself feel better.

Furthermore, even if Pakistan would have beaten Sri Lanka, that wouldn’t have guaranteed qualification because India vs New Zealand was also washed out.

New Zealand had defeated India twice in that tournament (warm up and semifinal) and they could also have beaten them in the group game. New Zealand vs India in English conditions is extremely close to call.

Based on the completed matches, Pakistan did not deserve to qualify for the semifinals and were rightfully eliminated.

No one asked them to be dismissed for 103 against the West Indies which destroyed the NRR and no one asked them to lose to both India and Australia.

England would have been eliminated in the group stage If India had not purposely lost to them to eliminate us. If England-India match had taken place before India had already qualified, we would have seen a completely different result.
Posts like this is the reason why Pakistani fans are a laughing stock and they are known all over the world for being the most delusional fans.

India had no reason to purposely lose to England because defeating England would have ensured their elimination and for India, and for any team, England was a much, much bigger than threat than Pakistan.

Eliminating England instead of Pakistan would have boosted India’s chances of winning the World Cup massively.

India would have preferred Pakistan in the semifinal or final over England any given day because England were a much stronger team than Pakistan.
2021 t20 WC= we won all group matches. Poor captaincy and a dropped catch cost us the semifinal which we had virtually won at one point. We’re a much better side than England in that tournament.
That World Cup was all about the toss. Almost every single match was won by the team that opted to bowl first.

Pakistan would have lost to both India and New Zealand if Babar didn’t win the toss. England would have won the semifinal vs New Zealand if they were chasing.

Australia were pretty ordinary but they got lucky with the toss in the semifinal and final.

I don’t agree that Pakistan would have won the match if Hasan Ali didn’t drop Wade. The odds were against Pakistan when they posted a 170 odd total. You needed 190+ in those conditions to negate the toss advantage.
2022 t20 WC= England lose to Ireland.
We reached the FINAL. would have won the final if Shaheen had not injured himself.

Our recent ICC tournament performances deserve more credit than what some people like you give.
Are you for real?

You are trying to big up Pakistan in comparison to England and are thumping your chests over appearing in a final where England beat Pakistan.

Again, it is your delusion that Pakistan would have won if Shaheen didn’t get injured. The match was done and dusted the moment Pakistan posted only 137 on the board.

There was no way Pakistan were going to defend that total at the MCG with England batting right up to number 11.

Pakistan were at least 25 runs short and Shaheen or no Shaheen would have made no difference.

Besides, what is even your point? Are you trying to suggest that Pakistan has been a better white team than England over the last few years even though England have won two World Cups in the last four years?
 
Do people still believe this SL team will beat even the current injury ridden NZ team?
 
I read this last line and thought Thank God I'm not the only one who feels this way!!
It is a sport. In sports, a defeat is possible 50% of time in every game anywhere in the world in any game.
In sports you win some and loose some...and you go back to life next day not stay depressed
 
Why is it that finest of margins have been going here and there for 10 years now? You know why?

Because a cricketer Dhoni who captained the side in 6 t20 World Cups and won only 1 is considered an ATG captain.

A chase master Kohli who failed in 2015 WC semi, 2017 CT Final, 2019 WC semi. All 3 were run chases and got out on single digit score all 3 times.

The day India stop making normal cricketers demi gods is the day you might actually win something substantial
1983 1987 Imran failed to win worlducp and won 1992 worldcup by lot of luck ( rained out match depending on aus beating eng) . even after 30 years, Pakistanis talk about it and glorify.

@saquib.rai There is nothing normal about star players. Dhoni won t20, champions trophy and worldcup. which other captain did ?

Kohli performed in all knock outs in t20 worldcup. Lets wait for the knock out.
 
Kohli

Rohit
Will choke as usual when it matters in semis or finals.
Yes Babar and Rizwan with 70 SR will fire .
I genuinely wish PCT qualifies so once and for all we have a KO game in a world cup and know who is better because hey 1996 and 2011 weren’t KO. :/
 
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1983 1987 Imran failed to win worlducp and won 1992 worldcup by lot of luck ( rained out match depending on aus beating eng) . even after 30 years, Pakistanis talk about it and glorify.

@saquib.rai There is nothing normal about star players. Dhoni won t20, champions trophy and worldcup. which other captain did ?

Kohli performed in all knock outs in t20 worldcup. Lets wait for the knock out.
Ponting captained Australia in 3 ODI WC- won 2
In 3 champions trophies- won 2
Total 4 ICC tournaments in 6 attempts
4/6

Dhoni has 3/10
 
Ponting captained Australia in 3 ODI WC- won 2
In 3 champions trophies- won 2
Total 4 ICC tournaments in 6 attempts
4/6

Dhoni has 3/10
Dhoni was a very overrated t20 captain. From 2013 onwards he really should have been displaced as captain.
 
Ponting captained Australia in 3 ODI WC- won 2
In 3 champions trophies- won 2
Total 4 ICC tournaments in 6 attempts
4/6

Dhoni has 3/10
Australia and West Indies are in different league. The fans, expectations and emotions of subcontinent put huge pressure on Indian or pak cricketers where as AUS/WI were not burdened. Keeping that in mind, its a great achievement for dhoni .

What I meant is stakes for Indian cricketers are much higher.
 
Ponting captained Australia in 3 ODI WC- won 2
In 3 champions trophies- won 2
Total 4 ICC tournaments in 6 attempts
4/6

Dhoni has 3/10
A donkey could have captained that ATG team and won the world cup. By the way 1999 was not led by Ponting. Why didn't Ponting win in 2011. From a tactical stand point Ponting is not even the ball park of MSD. T20 is nothign to do with captaincy. Windies won twice. Both not due to captaincy. They just had big hitters. That's it.
 
A donkey could have captained that ATG team and won the world cup. By the way 1999 was not led by Ponting. Why didn't Ponting win in 2011. From a tactical stand point Ponting is not even the ball park of MSD. T20 is nothign to do with captaincy. Windies won twice. Both not due to captaincy. They just had big hitters. That's it.
Ponting won 2 ODI WCs as Capt in 2003 and 2007
2 CT titles in 2006 and 2009

Dhoni captained in 6 t20 WCs
Won 1

No comparison. Ponting is the second greatest captain of all time after Imran Khan
 
A donkey could have captained that ATG team and won the world cup. By the way 1999 was not led by Ponting. Why didn't Ponting win in 2011. From a tactical stand point Ponting is not even the ball park of MSD. T20 is nothign to do with captaincy. Windies won twice. Both not due to captaincy. They just had big hitters. That's it.
T20 has nothing to do with captaincy? Okay in test cricket is the captain important?

Yes?

Then Dhoni lost 4-0 to BOTH England and Australia

Still the best captain? Lol
Indians and their obsession with turning every dom, dick and harry into some demi god
 
It is a sport. In sports, a defeat is possible 50% of time in every game anywhere in the world in any game.

You would think so ... but it doesn't work that way... A coin toss has a true 50% probability but not outcome of a team game like cricket ... otherwise Ind v Pak outcomes in world cups wouldnt be soo one sided and stretch back to three plus decades.

What that tells me is that even ordinary/avg/not-so-great Indian cricketers turn up on those days and say "Iam going to kick some tush and make a name for myself by bringing down some big names"... examples are numerous... Venky/Ajay/Siddhu/Srinath/Kuldeep/Raina/Harbi/Munaf ... even the now forgotten Vijayshankar!!

The story is the exact opposite for Pakistan. This is why the 50% chance of winning in any sports game does not apply to India vs Pak matches.
 
T20 has nothing to do with captaincy? Okay in test cricket is the captain important?

Yes?

Then Dhoni lost 4-0 to BOTH England and Australia

Still the best captain? Lol
Indians and their obsession with turning every dom, dick and harry into some demi god

He was never a best Test captain. Why are you combining Tests here? Kohli is a better test captain. We are only talking about LOIs. He has three different trophies. Multiple iPL trophies. What did Punter do in 2011? Lost to MSD. What did Punter do in 2007. Lost to MSD. Nobody is obsessed here. I am sure so many pak fans will disagree with you.
 
Kudos! to Pakistan for making this WC complete and playing against India knowing Even a dog sounds like tiger in own haunts.
 
Ponting won 2 ODI WCs as Capt in 2003 and 2007
2 CT titles in 2006 and 2009

Dhoni captained in 6 t20 WCs
Won 1

No comparison. Ponting is the second greatest captain of all time after Imran Khan
For all of Imran Khan's alleged captaincy skills, a raw Kapil Dev led his team to a stunning WC win in 1983. IK simmered for 9 years before his dream of equaling the great Dev was finally realized.

I'd say, Kapil was a greater captain than IK because he overachieved with a much more mediocre team than what the legendary Imran had at his disposal.
 
For all of Imran Khan's alleged captaincy skills, a raw Kapil Dev led his team to a stunning WC win in 1983. IK simmered for 9 years before his dream of equaling the great Dev was finally realized.

I'd say, Kapil was a greater captain than IK because he overachieved with a much more mediocre team than what the legendary Imran had at his disposal.

Imran's team lost B&H too. Another multi national tournament.
 
For all of Imran Khan's alleged captaincy skills, a raw Kapil Dev led his team to a stunning WC win in 1983. IK simmered for 9 years before his dream of equaling the great Dev was finally realized.

I'd say, Kapil was a greater captain than IK because he overachieved with a much more mediocre team than what the legendary Imran had at his disposal.
Imran Khan is an Oxford graduate. Kapil Dev is a 10th fail

Imran Khan has achieved much more in life than a match fixer like Kapil can in 100 lifetimes

Started a political party from scratch, won ZERO constituencies in his first election and only ONE in his second election. Never gave up, struggled for 20+ years and finally won a majority

Build a free cancer hospital in a low income country where everyone who cant pay is treated free of cost

What did Kapil do after retirement? Became a coach and sold his country?

Plus does Kapil Dev have a Batting average of 37 and a bowling average of 22? Mediocre cricketer

See interviews of people who played under Kapil, even they consider Imran the better leader and cricketer
 
Ponting captained Australia in 3 ODI WC- won 2
In 3 champions trophies- won 2
Total 4 ICC tournaments in 6 attempts
4/6

Dhoni has 3/10
Ponting is great no doubt (he may be better than dhoni), dhoni - test championship mace, odi World cup, T20 world cup, champions trophy, so tell your Pakistan captains record, you can say 1 captain or group of captains to match Dhoni's achievement, why are you moving away from the topic it's India vs Pakistan who won more.
 
No wonder Pakistan does not value merit. They have no qualms about qualifying after only beating Netherland, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

Their fans are perfectly fine by such sneaking in, actually hoping for it.
All of this is systematic and a mirror of the problems plaguing the country.
 
Ponting captained Australia in 3 ODI WC- won 2
In 3 champions trophies- won 2
Total 4 ICC tournaments in 6 attempts
4/6


Dhoni has 3/10
While your arguement is right regarding Ponting>Dhoni you got the facts wrong.
Ponting led in total 9 icc tournaments
3 50 wc
4 ct
2 t20 wc
So basically he is 4/9 which is obviously better than Dhoni's 3/10 but the margin is not as huge as you mentioned.
 
Imran Khan is an Oxford graduate. Kapil Dev is a 10th fail

Imran Khan has achieved much more in life than a match fixer like Kapil can in 100 lifetimes

Started a political party from scratch, won ZERO constituencies in his first election and only ONE in his second election. Never gave up, struggled for 20+ years and finally won a majority

Build a free cancer hospital in a low income country where everyone who cant pay is treated free of cost

What did Kapil do after retirement? Became a coach and sold his country?

Plus does Kapil Dev have a Batting average of 37 and a bowling average of 22? Mediocre cricketer

See interviews of people who played under Kapil, even they consider Imran the better leader and cricketer

Wow you really love Imran Khan!

The day India stop making normal cricketers demi gods is the day you might actually win something substantial

Please follow your own advice and Pak might actually qualify for a knockout on their own merit rather than screaming, crying and pleading with other teams to get them in :ROFLMAO:
 
Imran Khan is an Oxford graduate. Kapil Dev is a 10th fail

Imran Khan has achieved much more in life than a match fixer like Kapil can in 100 lifetimes

Started a political party from scratch, won ZERO constituencies in his first election and only ONE in his second election. Never gave up, struggled for 20+ years and finally won a majority

Build a free cancer hospital in a low income country where everyone who cant pay is treated free of cost

What did Kapil do after retirement? Became a coach and sold his country?

Plus does Kapil Dev have a Batting average of 37 and a bowling average of 22? Mediocre cricketer

See interviews of people who played under Kapil, even they consider Imran the better leader and cricketer
Kapil inspired india into cricket and paved way to a cricketing fortune so huge, that nothing else even comes close. Ipl can be traced back to Kapil if we do a root cause analysis.

That is impact.
 
Kapil inspired india into cricket and paved way to a cricketing fortune so huge, that nothing else even comes close. Ipl can be traced back to Kapil if we do a root cause analysis.

That is impact.
Kapil hurt Imran a lot. IK being a narcissist couldn't fathom how such a regal looking fellow like himself had to bow his head in shame as a toothy Kapil from some remote town lifted the WC while being unable to even string together a coherent sentence in English.

You listen to cricketers who played with Imran and you'll hear how obsessed IK had become with Kapil - he would even abuse his teammates if they got out to Kapil :rabada2
 
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Kapil hurt Imran a lot. IK being a narcissist couldn't fathom how such a regal looking fellow like himself had to bow his head in shame as a toothy Kapil from some remote town lifted the WC while being unable to even string together a coherent sentence in English.

You listen to cricketers who played with Imran and you'll hear how obsessed IK had become with Kapil - he would even abuse his teammates if they got out to Kapil :rabada2

That is normal competitive behaviour.

Your issue is what?
 
Imran was very competitive in nature. And this is the reason for his success in his career. Kapil is a legend as well but there is nothing wrong if you are having a healthy competition
Kapil hurt Imran a lot. IK being a narcissist couldn't fathom how such a regal looking fellow like himself had to bow his head in shame as a toothy Kapil from some remote town lifted the WC while being unable to even string together a coherent sentence in English.

You listen to cricketers who played with Imran and you'll hear how obsessed IK had become with Kapil - he would even abuse his teammates if they got out to Kapil :rabada2
 
Kapil hurt Imran a lot. IK being a narcissist couldn't fathom how such a regal looking fellow like himself had to bow his head in shame as a toothy Kapil from some remote town lifted the WC while being unable to even string together a coherent sentence in English.

You listen to cricketers who played with Imran and you'll hear how obsessed IK had become with Kapil - he would even abuse his teammates if they got out to Kapil :rabada2
Was not aware of Imran fixation on Kapil. But I can totally understand it in retrospective.

The desi gora complex and fixation on English is just mind blowing. Bhai, it is just a language.
 
Was not aware of Imran fixation on Kapil. But I can totally understand it in retrospective.

The desi gora complex and fixation on English is just mind blowing. Bhai, it is just a language.
Yeah, for example, Rameez Raja clips are available on Youtube where he talks of Imran abusing him after he got a 100 because he was scalped by Kapil.

I don't care much about Kapil personally. Just brought him up to make a point to Saqib bhai :rabada2
 
Kapil hurt Imran a lot. IK being a narcissist couldn't fathom how such a regal looking fellow like himself had to bow his head in shame as a toothy Kapil from some remote town lifted the WC while being unable to even string together a coherent sentence in English.

You listen to cricketers who played with Imran and you'll hear how obsessed IK had become with Kapil - he would even abuse his teammates if they got out to Kapil :rabada2

to add to that ... in the only WC match involving Imran and Kapil, imran was completely outplayed by Kapil with both bat and ball. Such a gun player Kapil !!


Thats an unbelievable scorecard .... quite a heist defending just 216 runs !! and helped start the legendary streak which Imran had the best opportunity to not get started at all in the first place !!
 
Ponting won 2 ODI WCs as Capt in 2003 and 2007
2 CT titles in 2006 and 2009

Dhoni captained in 6 t20 WCs
Won 1

No comparison. Ponting is the second greatest captain of all time after Imran Khan
Imran Khan is no where close to pointing as a captain 💀 wdym after imran khan
 
This was expected. I wonder how the OP thought this team will go on to win the WC. In this WC Pakistan have only won against NETH, BANG and SL argubly the weakest teams. Come next wednesday even the no. 1 batsman and no. 1 bowler bubble will burst finally as the there be new no. 1s.
 
A donkey could have captained that ATG team and won the world cup. By the way 1999 was not led by Ponting. Why didn't Ponting win in 2011. From a tactical stand point Ponting is not even the ball park of MSD. T20 is nothign to do with captaincy. Windies won twice. Both not due to captaincy. They just had big hitters. That's it.
lol Dhoni is better than the ATG Ponting?

i have heard enough.
 
Hope they enjoy their biriyanis during their last few days in India.

Khao, piyo, mauj karo!
 
lol Dhoni is better than the ATG Ponting?

i have heard enough.
Ponting had a gun team so he won . Come 2011 the couple of them were on last legs. So he required ATG team with all in form.
Whereas MSD was capable to even snatch victory from jaws of defeat ala CT2013.
 
Ponting had a gun team so he won . Come 2011 the couple of them were on last legs. So he required ATG team with all in form.
Whereas MSD was capable to even snatch victory from jaws of defeat ala CT2013.
Bro, he had 2 wc, a champions trophy and dominance in the test circuit.

THree world cups that AUstralia side stayed undefeated.

Think twice even before writing Ponting's name with dhoni. Dhoni was good, but you cant do a comparison here with Ponting
 
This always happens. We gather steam right at the end!

It's not enough for us to depend on ourselves for qualification (as usual) so we needed another huge slice of luck to go our way.

Make dua lads and be thankful that we are still in this when all hope seemed to have been lost.
 
Dude we are far from qualifying for semis STILL. New Zealand can easily win against Srilanka and it will be all over

Thinking about winning the whole thing is a joke at this stage
and with this bowling lineup against the top teams.
 
With how horrible & disjointed Lankans are appearing I won't get my hopes really high. Pak will probably get away against an all time low on confidence Eng but again the issue is what sort of resistance can you expect from this spineless Lankan team which is easily their worst wc side since at least 83? I am just afraid it's too late.
 
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