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thelandofthebravepeople said:
Is this story related to Hinduism? Does the Indian holy books like Baghavat Geeta etc have anything to do with this story?

Is refusing the authenticity of the story blasphemy in Hinduism?
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there is no such thing as Blasphemy in Hinduism. There is no such thing as Hinduism. It is not a structured, regimental religion...
 
The more you read Mahabharta, the more you realize its full of grey characters like Game of Thrones.
 
only 4 mahabharata character( Krishna,Hanuman,parshurama and Barbarika) are prayed as god.All other are just characters soo u can mock them.But not these 4
 
vic mackey said:
only 4 mahabharata character( Krishna,Hanuman,parshurama and Barbarika) are prayed as god.All other are just characters soo u can mock them.But not these 4
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In hinduism you can mock/criticize even the Gods. Particularly when they are in their human avatars
 
Indiafan said:
In hinduism you can mock/criticize even the Gods. Particularly when they are in their human avatars
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But do keep a count of your sins. Poor Shishupal lost his life by being careless in mocking human Gods. :sachin
 
freelance_cricketer said:
But do keep a count of your sins. Poor Shishupal lost his life by being careless in mocking human Gods. :sachin
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Mocking/criticizing for a valid reason is allowed. For example, no one says that Lord Rama did the right thing by exiling (ordering to kill actually) Sita. Gods in their human form are fallible and they come for only certain reasons
 
Hinduism gives you a liberty to do anything and everything. But do remember that 'karma' comes back. Hinduism is a 'karma' driven religion rather than a 'God' driven religion. And yes, there is no such thing called 'blasphemy.

P.S. But when dealing with someone like :sachin you better be careful in what you say :)))
 
Indiafan said:
Mocking/criticizing for a valid reason is allowed. For example, no one says that Lord Rama did the right thing by exiling (ordering to kill actually) Sita. Gods in their human form are fallible and they come for only certain reasons
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When it comes to Godsmanship, -ve + -ve = +ve


Things could be said about Kesho as well, who according to many used misdirection and treachery to beat Kauravas. Its just that Krishna's PR management was better compared to Lord Rama whose supreme bhakt Pawan Putra Hanuman was too bhola-bhala to argue with haters and hence the bad repo.
 
I guess only we have this luxury of a really funny and troll type god :afridi
Krishna is more like a friend.
 
karna is my fav character .. better team player than sachin and he didnt choke under pressure..
too bad umpires and krishna went against him ..

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all the kauravas went to heaven which shocked all the pandavas when they entered haven a bit late
 
freelance_cricketer said:
When it comes to Godsmanship, -ve + -ve = +ve


Things could be said about Kesho as well, who according to many used misdirection and treachery to beat Kauravas. Its just that Krishna's PR management was better compared to Lord Rama whose supreme bhakt Pawan Putra Hanuman was too bhola-bhala to argue with haters and hence the bad repo.
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Well the thing is Lord rama was maryada purushotum,his duty was to set ideals for society,I mean like ideal son,king,husband,brother etc,bharat ,lakshman and shatrughan shows u ideal brother,u are criticising him for giving devil sita vanvas,but forgetting that he went to lanka and killed ravana for the honour of her,the thing is this step was taken to appease public of ayodhya ,who was doubting the character of devi sita,he had to do this as a king and it was with the permission of devi sita.

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The thing about krishna was he was that he was very clever and great political thinker he had the great understanding about the political situation of that time and how to use it for the benefit of dharma,he and to an extent vidur were the only two person who could beat shakuni in is own treacherous games,that's why shakuni use to be vary of krishna.

sent from dil se
 
Vayuu said:
Well the thing is Lord rama was maryada purushotum,his duty was to set ideals for society,I mean like ideal son,king,husband,brother etc,bharat ,lakshman and shatrughan shows u ideal brother,u are criticising him for giving devil sita vanvas,but forgetting that he went to lanka and killed ravana for the honour of her,the thing is this step was taken to appease public of ayodhya ,who was doubting the character of devi sita,he had to do this as a king and it was with the permission of devi sita.

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Lol at typo (bold)

And no, nowhere in Ramayana does it say that Sita's exile was with Ram's permission. He actually ordered Sita to be killed. Laxman came with blood of an animal and said I killed her. That is why Ram is surprised to find her alive later with his sons. And that is why Sita choses to go inside earth than go back to Ram.
 
velu said:
karna is my fav character .. better team player than sachin and he didnt choke under pressure..
too bad umpires and krishna went against him ..

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all the kauravas went to heaven which shocked all the pandavas when they entered haven a bit late
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Nope, the last part. That was another twist to test Yudishtir. When Yudishtar went to heaven (he actually went in his body, without dying, he was that great, he only lost his finger for his twisted truth when he said that Ashwathama is dead, but not man but elepahant), he saw all Kauravs were in heaven and all of his brothers were in hell. He was surprised. And he refused to go to heaven without his brothers. This was another test for him and he passed. Then God explained they were testing him and showed him the truth, it was Pandavas in heaven and Kauravas were in hell


Karan was my favourite too, he was the mightiest of them all and sacrificed everything for his friends
 
Indiafan said:
Nope, the last part. That was another twist to test Yudishtir. When Yudishtar went to heaven (he actually went in his body, without dying, he was that great, he only lost his finger for his twisted truth when he said that Ashwathama is dead, but not man but elepahant), he saw all Kauravs were in heaven and all of his brothers were in hell. He was surprised. And he refused to go to heaven without his brothers. This was another test for him and he passed. Then God explained they were testing him and showed him the truth, it was Pandavas in heaven and Kauravas were in hell


Karan was my favourite too, he was the mightiest of them all and sacrificed everything for his friends
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oops .. I was in an opinion that all the kauravas went to heaven .

Even duryodana has lots of good characters which even pandavas lacked...
 
Indiafan said:
Nope, the last part. That was another twist to test Yudishtir. When Yudishtar went to heaven (he actually went in his body, without dying, he was that great, he only lost his finger for his twisted truth when he said that Ashwathama is dead, but not man but elepahant), he saw all Kauravs were in heaven and all of his brothers were in hell. He was surprised. And he refused to go to heaven without his brothers. This was another test for him and he passed. Then God explained they were testing him and showed him the truth, it was Pandavas in heaven and Kauravas were in hell


Karan was my favourite too, he was the mightiest of them all and sacrificed everything for his friends
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I hope you mean Karna,not Karan. :msd
 
Indiafan said:
Lol at typo (bold)

And no, nowhere in Ramayana does it say that Sita's exile was with Ram's permission. He actually ordered Sita to be killed. Laxman came with blood of an animal and said I killed her. That is why Ram is surprised to find her alive later with his sons. And that is why Sita choses to go inside earth than go back to Ram.
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That was a mistake bro I wrote devi sita

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Indiafan said:
Lol at typo (bold)

And no, nowhere in Ramayana does it say that Sita's exile was with Ram's permission. He actually ordered Sita to be killed. Laxman came with blood of an animal and said I killed her. That is why Ram is surprised to find her alive later with his sons. And that is why Sita choses to go inside earth than go back to Ram.
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It's mentioned in anand ramayan ,I think it's also in valmiki ramayana as well,also maa sita went to her abode because she was tired of justifying her self to the world,that's why she said ki agar mein purna pativrata hu aur nishpaap hu to maa dharti mujhe sthaan de in.

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Indiafan said:
Lol at typo (bold)

And no, nowhere in Ramayana does it say that Sita's exile was with Ram's permission. He actually ordered Sita to be killed. Laxman came with blood of an animal and said I killed her. That is why Ram is surprised to find her alive later with his sons. And that is why Sita choses to go inside earth than go back to Ram.
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That is so wrong ,in case u forgot Laxman see 's sita as his mother,in aranya kand when Lord rama asks him if he knows that this jewellery belongs to sita,he says ki I only no about nupur which she use to wear on her feet.

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Vayuu said:
The thing about krishna was he was that he was very clever and great political thinker he had the great understanding about the political situation of that time and how to use it for the benefit of dharma,he and to an extent vidur were the only two person who could beat shakuni in is own treacherous games,that's why shakuni use to be vary of krishna.

sent from dil se
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Ofcourse he was clever and cant be beat anywhere, he is god himself :)).. That Shakuni subject in relation to Krishna was cute lol....
 
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velu said:
karna is my fav character .. better team player than sachin and he didnt choke under pressure..
too bad umpires and krishna went against him ..
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If anything, Angraj Karna was the Rohit Sharma of Mahabharta. Sachin would be Bheeshma Peetama with the Ichha Mrityu vardaan, without his will whom even BCCI couldn't shot down just like without Bheeshma's will even Sri Krishan couldn't kill him.. :sachin
 
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Would you be interested to know more do click on the trailer link :https://www.youtube....h?v=an5lcg4teOQ

Have your say on such a brilliant and amazing book.
 
Vayuu said:
That is so wrong ,in case u forgot Laxman see 's sita as his mother,in aranya kand when Lord rama asks him if he knows that this jewellery belongs to sita,he says ki I only no about nupur which she use to wear on her feet.

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eh, what has that to do with what I narrated?
 
freelance_cricketer said:
If anything, Angraj Karna was the Rohit Sharma of Mahabharta. Sachin would be Bheeshma Peetama with the Ichha Mrityu vardaan, without his will whom even BCCI couldn't shot down just like without Bheeshma's will even Sri Krishan couldn't kill him.. :sachin
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I would differ with you on this. Karna was like anyone but Rohit Sharma.
He was more like Kohli, supremely talented, arrogant, proud of his skills, and even quite abusive too :kohli
 
I remember watching the tv series as a kid on BBC2 many many years ago. And have even watched a bit of the Star Plus remake which is currently on our screens.

It's quite entertaining and deals with some important issues (greed, gambling, the (mis)treatment of women, caste discrimination etc) however I've yet to meet someone who thinks it's a real historical tale. Most simply see it as a work of fiction by Veda Vyasa or as something which may have happened many eons ago but has had a lot added and distorted from the original to spice things up a bit.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
I remember watching the tv series as a kid on BBC2 many many years ago. And have even watched a bit of the Star Plus remake which is currently on our screens.

It's quite entertaining and deals with some important issues (greed, gambling, the (mis)treatment of women, caste discrimination etc) however I've yet to meet someone who thinks it's a real historical tale. Most simply see it as a work of fiction by Veda Vyasa or as something which may have happened many eons ago but has had a lot added and distorted from the original to spice things up a bit.
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Btw, what is your take on Vedas ? Some people think way too high of them.

Are these really written by scientist as well who know lot more about or comparable knowledge to today cosmos, biology, physic. Are there accounts on empirical base or just poetry like most other religious literature, which is far weak in content then their followers wish to think ?

I really doubt, people are glorifying them because of past heritage. I really doubt any past civilization had anywhere close to the scientific and technological advancement as we see today.

Vedas is something I know very little about at this point, my Indian friends keep bringing them up as something special. At least for biblical religions since we know lot about there is nothing special, since we are born in it, we know the inner details ;)))
 
yasir said:
Btw, what is your take on Vedas ? Some people think way too high of them.

Are these really written by scientist as well who know lot more about or comparable knowledge to today cosmos, biology, physic. Are there accounts on empirical base or just poetry like most other religious literature, which is far weak in content then their followers wish to think ?

I really doubt, people are glorifying them because of past heritage. I really doubt any past civilization had anywhere close to the scientific and technological advancement as we see today.

Vedas is something I know very little about at this point, my Indian friends keep bringing them up as something special. At least for biblical religions since we know lot about there is nothing special, since we are born in it, we know the inner details ;)))
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Raavanan was actually a veda, he was an astrologer. His name speaks for itself. Raavan = Raa(night) Van/Vaan(Sky) = Man of Sky. He was worshiped as god by many till, Raamayan came along and made him look bad to promote more of North Indian god Raam, Sita and Lakhsman. Hindus in Tamil Nadu(South India) and Northern and Eastern SL still don't worship Ram and Lakshman, but they don't worship Raavan either.
 
yasir said:
Btw, what is your take on Vedas ? Some people think way too high of them.

Are these really written by scientist as well who know lot more about or comparable knowledge to today cosmos, biology, physic. Are there accounts on empirical base or just poetry like most other religious literature, which is far weak in content then their followers wish to think ?

I really doubt, people are glorifying them because of past heritage. I really doubt any past civilization had anywhere close to the scientific and technological advancement as we see today.

Vedas is something I know very little about at this point, my Indian friends keep bringing them up as something special. At least for biblical religions since we know lot about there is nothing special, since we are born in it, we know the inner details ;)))
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You answered it yourself. The reason all religious books and scriptures are glorified is because of the times they were written in. For some reason, we expect early people to be a dumber version of us, and get really awestruck that even they could come up with something so advanced.
 
thivaakar said:
Raavanan was actually a veda, he was an astrologer. His name speaks for itself. Raavan = Raa(night) Van/Vaan(Sky) = Man of Sky. He was worshiped as god by many till, Raamayan came along and made him look bad to promote more of North Indian god Raam, Sita and Lakhsman. Hindus in Tamil Nadu(South India) and Northern and Eastern SL still don't worship Ram and Lakshman, but they don't worship Raavan either.
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Are you a srilankan tamil ? Hindus in south india worship ram. There is place near to srilanka named after ram and there are ram temples in south india

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rameswaram

http://www.indianetzone.com/26/three_unique_rama_temples_south_india.htm
 
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Ambi said:
Are you a srilankan tamil ? Hindus in south india worship ram. There is place near to srilanka named after ram and there are ram temples in south india

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rameswaram

http://www.indianetzone.com/26/three_unique_rama_temples_south_india.htm
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yes, I spent some part of my life in Tamil nadu as well. Because it is there it doesn't mean it is worshiped. Do people go ? yes, as more of a tour than an actual worship intended travel. Im talking about state of Tamil Nadu and Northern and Eastern Sri lanka, not sure about other 3 South Indian states.
 
thivaakar said:
yes, I spent some part of my life in Tamil nadu as well. Because it is there it doesn't mean it is worshiped. Do people go ? yes, as more of a tour than an actual worship intended travel. Im talking about state of Tamil Nadu and Northern and Eastern Sri lanka, not sure about other 3 South Indian states.
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Here is the list of ram temples in tamilnadu, some of these are very old temples, I don't know why there are so many temples for ram if they really don't worship him
https://sites.google.com/site/vaduvur//landing-page/links?_e_pi_=7,PAGE_ID10,9725152265
 
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yasir said:
Btw, what is your take on Vedas ? Some people think way too high of them.

Are these really written by scientist as well who know lot more about or comparable knowledge to today cosmos, biology, physic. Are there accounts on empirical base or just poetry like most other religious literature, which is far weak in content then their followers wish to think ?

I really doubt, people are glorifying them because of past heritage. I really doubt any past civilization had anywhere close to the scientific and technological advancement as we see today.

Vedas is something I know very little about at this point, my Indian friends keep bringing them up as something special. At least for biblical religions since we know lot about there is nothing special, since we are born in it, we know the inner details ;)))
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Well the thing is we think this way that our civilization is advanced because we have grown up seeing this civilization and the advancement we made,like I said earlier in this thread that I met Mr ramavtar sharma ,who has given 32 years of his life on the research of ramayana and it's sites, the guy has been invited in 20-25 countries for his research on ramayana,while chatting with him ,he told me a very interesting thing ,he told me we think that as the time has progressed we have advanced,while actually it's the opposite,it was true ravana was called man of sky,but not because he was god,but because he had the pushpak viman on which he use to roam around,infact that civilization was far more advanced than we imagine spiritually,militarily,economically and scientifically,he said that in Ramayana there is mentioned of atleast 150 types of arrow,more than 1000 types of divyastras are mentioned,we talk about brahmastra,narayaastra,pashupatastra,but there is also brahmashira astra which is equalant of 4 brahmastra,Brahma danda which can counter both brahmastra and brahmashira,then Narayanas vaishnavastra and bhargavastra,then shiva ' s shurvakastra , maheshwarastra and rudrastra,lord vishnu's divine discus sudarshana wasn't just a revolving disc ot was a nuclear weapon based on nuclear fusion not fission,which is amazing coz controlling fusion is much difficult than fission also ,sudarshana use to kill enemy and then return back something which only few countries have achieved the divine weapons were also mirv'ed and marv'ed,I can go on and on about the things he said,but it's about believing.

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Do you really believe that at one point several thousand years ago people used to go about on flying chariots? Or that humans could use a bow and arrow and then unleash something like a cruise missile or nuclear bomb?

I mean other than what is written down what evidence is there of the aforementioned? Could it not be that the author of such texts just had great imaginations and were simply writing a bit of science fiction?


Vayuu said:
I met Mr ramavtar sharma ,who has given 32 years of his life on the research of ramayana and it's sites, the guy has been invited in 20-25 countries for his research on ramayana,while chatting with him ,he told me a very interesting thing ,he told me we think that as the time has progressed we have advanced,while actually it's the opposite,it was true ravana was called man of sky,but not because he was god,but because he had the pushpak viman on which he use to roam around,infact that civilization was far more advanced than we imagine spiritually,militarily,economically and scientifically,he said that in Ramayana there is mentioned of atleast 150 types of arrow,more than 1000 types of divyastras are mentioned,we talk about brahmastra,narayaastra,pashupatastra,but there is also brahmashira astra which is equalant of 4 brahmastra,Brahma danda which can counter both brahmastra and brahmashira,then Narayanas vaishnavastra and bhargavastra,then shiva ' s shurvakastra , maheshwarastra and rudrastra,lord vishnu's divine discus sudarshana wasn't just a revolving disc ot was a nuclear weapon based on nuclear fusion not fission,which is amazing coz controlling fusion is much difficult than fission also ,sudarshana use to kill enemy and then return back something which only few countries have achieved the divine weapons were also mirv'ed and marv'ed,I can go on and on about the things he said,but it's about believing.
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Gabbar Singh said:
Do you really believe that at one point several thousand years ago people used to go about on flying chariots? Or that humans could use a bow and arrow and then unleash something like a cruise missile or nuclear bomb?

I mean other than what is written down what evidence is there of the aforementioned? Could it not be that the author of such texts just had great imaginations and were simply writing a bit of science fiction?
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Well frankly speaking yes I do believe that,but I have a different view on it,I believe that during that time there was a definite contact between humans and beings of other planets,it continued till a fair share of time,their are different kinds of being mentioned in these epics be it nymphs,gandharvas,yaksha etc,like I said we were spiritually very developed,we had more control on our tendencies then,than we have today,but as time progressed we begin to lose control,you see in mahabharata war a warrior like ashwatthama misused his knowledge ,it is believed that Lord krishna requested the Devas to never give the knowledge of these weapons to anybody,the last person on this planet to have the knowledge of divine weapons was Vrishketu the son of Karna,even he was not permitted to give this knowledge to anybody,because god knew as the time progresses the war mongering nature of human being will take over human tendencies,there are few reports that suggests that there some sort of nuclear power used in kurukshetra.

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J R Oppenheimer, the inventor of the Atomic bomb was a believer of the Gita and thought he wasn't the first person to develop nuclear bombs. He was of the thought that they had been used in Ancient India. This is his famous quote:

We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
 
Vayuu said:
Well the thing is we think this way that our civilization is advanced because we have grown up seeing this civilization and the advancement we made,like I said earlier in this thread that I met Mr ramavtar sharma ,who has given 32 years of his life on the research of ramayana and it's sites, the guy has been invited in 20-25 countries for his research on ramayana,while chatting with him ,he told me a very interesting thing ,he told me we think that as the time has progressed we have advanced,while actually it's the opposite,it was true ravana was called man of sky,but not because he was god,but because he had the pushpak viman on which he use to roam around,infact that civilization was far more advanced than we imagine spiritually,militarily,economically and scientifically,he said that in Ramayana there is mentioned of atleast 150 types of arrow,more than 1000 types of divyastras are mentioned,we talk about brahmastra,narayaastra,pashupatastra,but there is also brahmashira astra which is equalant of 4 brahmastra,Brahma danda which can counter both brahmastra and brahmashira,then Narayanas vaishnavastra and bhargavastra,then shiva ' s shurvakastra , maheshwarastra and rudrastra,lord vishnu's divine discus sudarshana wasn't just a revolving disc ot was a nuclear weapon based on nuclear fusion not fission,which is amazing coz controlling fusion is much difficult than fission also ,sudarshana use to kill enemy and then return back something which only few countries have achieved the divine weapons were also mirv'ed and marv'ed,I can go on and on about the things he said,but it's about believing.

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What is proof of Vedic time being advance then ours?

What we know about them still point to primitive culture, they were not written down until 1000 years later... The knowledge was transfer by heart...

Vedas are written in form of poetry like many accident literature. There knowledge of physic, biology, astronomy was not very scientific, analytic or empirical.

Attach is one photo send to me by a friend who claims complex scientific theories like 'Big Bang' was first introduced in Vedas...

People have to understand science does not work like horoscope reading in a fashion magazine, where vague statements can be apply to any thing and to anybody. They don't contain any meaningful information that can be consumed as scientific literature on which one can build long lasting scientific empire.

Religious literature is exactly like horoscope reading, you can fit whatever you want, at the same time nothing can be build upon those statements...

In these Vedas did they define what is matter and anti-matter? Did they talk about planks time scale? Did they measure micro wave background heat map to prove or even articulate Big Bang theory? - we are still refining the definition and mapping of matter, energy, cosmos and life... We have collected mountain of evidence and are collected more data with much higher resolution tools... How can few vague verses here and there can standup against entire scientific enterprise???

Inorder for us to consume information detail matters a lot more rather than poetic vague abstraction, which religious culture forces people to memorized for generations after generations. Nobody is happy reading theory of relatively 100 times slowly or rhythmically where as Muslims are very satisfied reading Quran or Hindus happy Humming Vedas... What are they achieving intellectually by that excerise??

You have to realize when ever we ask why, we are more interested in how, how things works, how to demystify the unknown... Science is after that 'how'. Because after how (analysis), design phase starts ;))

Where as religious cultures have no such mission, they want to manipulate people as much and as long as they can ;))


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yasir said:
What is proof of Vedic time being advance then ours?

What we know about them still point to primitive culture, they were not written down until 1000 years later... The knowledge was transfer by heart...

Vedas are written in form of poetry like many accident literature. There knowledge of physic, biology, astronomy was not very scientific, analytic or empirical.

Attach is one photo send to me by a friend who claims complex scientific theories like 'Big Bang' was first introduced in Vedas...

People have to understand science does not work like horoscope reading in a fashion magazine, where vague statements can be apply to any thing and to anybody. They don't contain any meaningful information that can be consumed as scientific literature on which one can build long lasting scientific empire.

Religious literature is exactly like horoscope reading, you can fit whatever you want, at the same time nothing can be build upon those statements...

In these Vedas did they define what is matter and anti-matter? Did they talk about planks time scale? Did they measure micro wave background heat map to prove or even articulate Big Bang theory? - we are still refining the definition and mapping of matter, energy, cosmos and life... We have collected mountain of evidence and are collected more data with much higher resolution tools... How can few vague verses here and there can standup against entire scientific enterprise???

Inorder for us to consume information detail matters a lot more rather than poetic vague abstraction, which religious culture forces people to memorized for generations after generations. Nobody is happy reading theory of relatively 100 times slowly or rhythmically where as Muslims are very satisfied reading Quran or Hindus happy Humming Vedas... What are they achieving intellectually by that excerise??

You have to realize when ever we ask why, we are more interested in how, how things works, how to demystify the unknown... Science is after that 'how'. Because after how (analysis), design phase starts ;))

Where as religious cultures have no such mission, they want to manipulate people as much and as long as they can ;))


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The thing is mahabharat is before Vedic time,not many know that mahabharat was taught by ved Vyas to his three disciples,that's krishna dvayapayana,jaimani and I think it was shuka and each having different versions,don't know much about shuka but the others jaimani was about pandavas Ashwamedha conquests,what we read is version of krishna dvayapayana Vyas,I agree religious manipulate people,but you have to realize is the science is also about discovery,agree that there is lot to be desired in previous civilization as u mentioned,but there are few things in which they were ahead of us ,I am talking about Vedic era ,I mean look at the sculptures,do u believe that today's people would have made pyramids and taj mahal I don't think so.

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Vayuu said:
The thing is mahabharat is before Vedic time,not many know that mahabharat was taught by ved Vyas to his three disciples,that's krishna dvayapayana,jaimani and I think it was shuka and each having different versions,don't know much about shuka but the others jaimani was about pandavas Ashwamedha conquests,what we read is version of krishna dvayapayana Vyas,I agree religious manipulate people,but you have to realize is the science is also about discovery,agree that there is lot to be desired in previous civilization as u mentioned,but there are few things in which they were ahead of us ,I am talking about Vedic era ,I mean look at the sculptures,do u believe that today's people would have made pyramids and taj mahal I don't think so.

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Two points

1) Human intelligence has been rising with each generation and it is to do with evolution. So if you ask if today's human being can build pyramids, answer is yes. In fact, in experiments, human beings have been able to replicate wonders such as stonehenge, etc using just tools available at those times

2) I see no reason why, human beings would have lost out on all the knowledge. When simple scripts written on leaves have survived, why wouldn't the knowledge of flying crafts and nuclear weapons? Human beings are social animals and only way we have survived and thrive is by passing on knowledge to the next generation.

To me, the simplest conclusion seems to be the most obvious one. It is much more likely that an imaginative writer dreamed of flying ships and destructive weapons than that we had a vastly advanced civilization once which lost all knowledge and started from square one

As for your attachment, it is the same classic case of reading too much into vague texts and interpreting them to suit established facts. Nostradamus's vague prophecies are similarly interpreted to align with real events. Some scientist works his whole life and discovers or invents something and then some guy comes along and says, hey this was there in my book all along. The day it happens the other way around, i.e, one single invention or discovery is made on the basis of any religious text, I will believe all of this.
 
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What is the most "agreed upon" time frame of Mahabharta, I think it would have been well after vedic period. As far as I know vedas were written(hence vedic religion born) in upper Indus plain of Pakistan area; Punjab, KPK and after that spread to ganges plain while if I am not wrong Mahabharta includes whole subcontinent in its descriptions, how can be it written before vedic time when even during vedic period India was nothing more than Indus region.

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Indiafan said:
Two points

1) Human intelligence has been rising with each generation and it is to do with evolution. So if you ask if today's human being can build pyramids, answer is yes. In fact, in experiments, human beings have been able to replicate wonders such as stonehenge, etc using just tools available at those times

2) I see no reason why, human beings would have lost out on all the knowledge. When simple scripts written on leaves have survived, why wouldn't the knowledge of flying crafts and nuclear weapons? Human beings are social animals and only way we have survived and thrive is by passing on knowledge to the next generation.

To me, the simplest conclusion seems to be the most obvious one. It is much more likely that an imaginative writer dreamed of flying ships and destructive weapons than that we had a vastly advanced civilization once which lost all knowledge and started from square one

As for your attachment, it is the same classic case of reading too much into vague texts and interpreting them to suit established facts. Nostradamus's vague prophecies are similarly interpreted to align with real events. Some scientist works his whole life and discovers or invents something and then some guy comes along and says, hey this was there in my book all along. The day it happens the other way around, i.e, one single invention or discovery is made on the basis of any religious text, I will believe all of this.
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U are entitled to your opinion,but I still believe that it's much more than just imagination,u need inspiration for imagination.

sent from dil se
 
Indiafan said:
Two points

1) Human intelligence has been rising with each generation and it is to do with evolution. So if you ask if today's human being can build pyramids, answer is yes. In fact, in experiments, human beings have been able to replicate wonders such as stonehenge, etc using just tools available at those times

2) I see no reason why, human beings would have lost out on all the knowledge. When simple scripts written on leaves have survived, why wouldn't the knowledge of flying crafts and nuclear weapons? Human beings are social animals and only way we have survived and thrive is by passing on knowledge to the next generation.

To me, the simplest conclusion seems to be the most obvious one. It is much more likely that an imaginative writer dreamed of flying ships and destructive weapons than that we had a vastly advanced civilization once which lost all knowledge and started from square one

As for your attachment, it is the same classic case of reading too much into vague texts and interpreting them to suit established facts. Nostradamus's vague prophecies are similarly interpreted to align with real events. Some scientist works his whole life and discovers or invents something and then some guy comes along and says, hey this was there in my book all along. The day it happens the other way around, i.e, one single invention or discovery is made on the basis of any religious text, I will believe all of this.
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1. Have you heard of a lost book called Yantra Sarvashva?

2.The divyastras were sacred weapons known to a few deserving great warriors only.The knowledge of it was given only to a select few.Remember that even in Mahabharat only Arjun Karna Bheeshma Drona and Ashvathama knew how to use divyaastras esp. Very powerful Brahmastra.
 
For anyone who wants to know if the religious texts are historical, or mythological, you have two options.

1. Have complete faith in their divine origins, and take them literally.

2. Take anything that agrees with today's science literally, and others as metaphors. That way you can live with God and Science.

The third option is to treat them as fairy tales and glorified fables. But don't say that aloud, lest someone gets offended.
 
Indiafan said:
Two points

1) Human intelligence has been rising with each generation and it is to do with evolution. So if you ask if today's human being can build pyramids, answer is yes. In fact, in experiments, human beings have been able to replicate wonders such as stonehenge, etc using just tools available at those times

2) I see no reason why, human beings would have lost out on all the knowledge. When simple scripts written on leaves have survived, why wouldn't the knowledge of flying crafts and nuclear weapons? Human beings are social animals and only way we have survived and thrive is by passing on knowledge to the next generation.

To me, the simplest conclusion seems to be the most obvious one. It is much more likely that an imaginative writer dreamed of flying ships and destructive weapons than that we had a vastly advanced civilization once which lost all knowledge and started from square one

As for your attachment, it is the same classic case of reading too much into vague texts and interpreting them to suit established facts. Nostradamus's vague prophecies are similarly interpreted to align with real events. Some scientist works his whole life and discovers or invents something and then some guy comes along and says, hey this was there in my book all along. The day it happens the other way around, i.e, one single invention or discovery is made on the basis of any religious text, I will believe all of this.
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Brilliant post.
 
Indiafan said:
As for your attachment, it is the same classic case of reading too much into vague texts and interpreting them to suit established facts. Nostradamus's vague prophecies are similarly interpreted to align with real events. Some scientist works his whole life and discovers or invents something and then some guy comes along and says, hey this was there in my book all along. The day it happens the other way around, i.e, one single invention or discovery is made on the basis of any religious text, I will believe all of this.
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exactly, this new trend is also among Islamic televangelists, calling discoveries/inventions as a result of following Scientific method(a concept totally opposite to firm belief concept of religion) to have already been mentioned in some religious text. Dr Pervez Hoodhoy has written some excellent articles on this trend.





btw Pakistan has some of the most Unique and Isolated groups from Vedic times ; Kalash community such groups must have remembered/stored/passed some of that high level knowledge. :)
 
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Two points

1) Human intelligence has been rising with each generation and it is to do with evolution. So if you ask if today's human being can build pyramids, answer is yes. In fact, in experiments, human beings have been able to replicate wonders such as stonehenge, etc using just tools available at those times

2) I see no reason why, human beings would have lost out on all the knowledge. When simple scripts written on leaves have survived, why wouldn't the knowledge of flying crafts and nuclear weapons? Human beings are social animals and only way we have survived and thrive is by passing on knowledge to the next generation.

To me, the simplest conclusion seems to be the most obvious one. It is much more likely that an imaginative writer dreamed of flying ships and destructive weapons than that we had a vastly advanced civilization once which lost all knowledge and started from square one

As for your attachment, it is the same classic case of reading too much into vague texts and interpreting them to suit established facts. Nostradamus's vague prophecies are similarly interpreted to align with real events. Some scientist works his whole life and discovers or invents something and then some guy comes along and says, hey this was there in my book all along. The day it happens the other way around, i.e, one single invention or discovery is made on the basis of any religious text, I will believe all of this.
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One thing I would like to add:

Human Evolution does not work that fast, our process and method of learning has lot to do with scientific and technological development in last 500-400 years... We are tool building species, weather imaginative or real we rely on tools a lot more to survive than our Darwinian heritage... In the age of internet access and spread of information has change exponentially and this has happen just 20 years ago...

Also, the past fiction (science,fantasy or theology) writers were disingenuous about there writings. In order to extend their paycheck they get rid of the fiction word altogether... Can you imagine civilizations 1000s of year from now would believe we had numerous encounters with aliens and had lived among spiderman, superman and what not? After all these are so much popular that somebody would take them literally as truth rather than fiction ;)))
 
Vayuu said:
U are entitled to your opinion,but I still believe that it's much more than just imagination,u need inspiration for imagination.

sent from dil se
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Come, men have looked at the birds and dreamt of flying machines. They have looked at the fish and invented submarine. Journey to the moon was written years before we did it. Our imagination has always been to places much faster than reality
 
Indiafan said:
Come, men have looked at the birds and dreamt of flying machines. They have looked at the fish and invented submarine. Journey to the moon was written years before we did it. Our imagination has always been to places much faster than reality
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Basically you are saying that the poet can reach where the sun does not shine.
 
Indiafan said:
Come, men have looked at the birds and dreamt of flying machines. They have looked at the fish and invented submarine. Journey to the moon was written years before we did it. Our imagination has always been to places much faster than reality
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Ever heard of the civilization found in bay of khambaat

sent from dil se
 
vic mackey said:
only 4 mahabharata character( Krishna,Hanuman,parshurama and Barbarika) are prayed as god.All other are just characters soo u can mock them.But not these 4
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Bheeshma Pitamah is worshipped too. He is a incarnation of the Vasu (cursed to be born on earth & have a very long life) - Guarding deity of Lord Indra. And there is 1 festival - Bheeshma Asthami where Bheeshma is worshipped

A temple dedicated to Bheeshma is located in Kurukshetra in the site where Bheeshma is said to have lied on the bed of arrows

Another character - Hidimba (wife of Bhima & mother of Ghatotkacha) is worshipped too. A temple dedicated to Hidimba devi exists in Manali

That makes a total of 6 characters who are worshipped

And heard that there is a temple dedicated to Shakuni too :)) Who would worship a villian :))
 
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amit said:
Bheeshma Pitamah is worshipped too. He is a incarnation of the Vasu (cursed to be born on earth & have a very long life) - Guarding deity of Lord Indra. And there is 1 festival - Bheeshma Asthami where Bheeshma is worshipped

A temple dedicated to Bheeshma is located in Kurukshetra in the site where Bheeshma is said to have lied on the bed of arrows

Another character - Hidimba (wife of Bhima & mother of Ghatotkacha) is worshipped too. A temple dedicated to Hidimba devi exists in Manali

That makes a total of 6 characters who are worshipped

And heard that there is a temple dedicated to Shakuni too :)) Who would worship a villian :))
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one of my friend told me that there is a Duryodhana temple in some part of kerala :))
 
amit said:
Bheeshma Pitamah is worshipped too. He is a incarnation of the Vasu (cursed to be born on earth & have a very long life) - Guarding deity of Lord Indra. And there is 1 festival - Bheeshma Asthami where Bheeshma is worshipped

A temple dedicated to Bheeshma is located in Kurukshetra in the site where Bheeshma is said to have lied on the bed of arrows

Another character - Hidimba (wife of Bhima & mother of Ghatotkacha) is worshipped too. A temple dedicated to Hidimba devi exists in Manali

That makes a total of 6 characters who are worshipped

And heard that there is a temple dedicated to Shakuni too :)) Who would worship a villian :))
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There is a temple of Karna too, Bhisma was the incarnation of head of ashta vasu his name was drona, who was the main conspirator in theft of surabhi cow of sage vashishta and amba was the incarnation of the wife of drona; also their is a temple of duryodhana as well.
 
And hanuman and Parshurama are also mentioned in Ramayana as well.
 
Dream cast of Mahabharat

From Aamir Khan to SS Rajmouli. Many have imagined and expressed intrest in bringing manum opus to silver screen. But even it is made the caste will always be underwhelming due to budgetary constaints. But our mind have no such constraint. Lets fantasize about the dream case for Mahabharata:
Krishna: Aamir Khan
Arjun: Ranbir Kapoor
Karan: Hritik Roshan
Duryodhana : Ranveer Singh
Bheeshma: Vikram
Drona: Mohan Lal
Yudisthir: Vijay Joseph
Bheema: Prabhas
Nakul : Kartik Aryan
Sahdev: Ram Pottemeni
Dushasan: Adivi Shesh
Shantanu: Ajith Kumar
Roopvati: Aishwarya
Ganga: Deepika Padukone
Ved Vyas: Mammoty
Pandu: Mahesh Babu
Dhritrashtra: Akshay Kumar
Shakuni: Sathyaraj
Drishtradum : Allu Arjun
Drupad: Kamal Hassan
Draupadi:Katrina
Ashwathama: Vicky Kaushal
Your thoughts???
 
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From Aamir Khan to SS Rajmouli. Many have imagined and expressed intrest in bringing manum opus to silver screen. But even it is made the caste will always be underwhelming due to budgetary constaints. But our mind have no such constraint. Lets fantasize about the dream case for Mahabharata:
Krishna: Aamir Khan
Arjun: Ranbir Kapoor
Karan: Hritik Roshan
Duryodhana : Ranveer Singh
Bheeshma: Vikram
Drona: Mohan Lal
Yudisthir: Vijay Joseph
Bheema: Prabhas
Nakul : Kartik Aryan
Sahdev: Ram Pottemeni
Dushasan: Adivi Shesh
Shantanu: Ajith Kumar
Roopvati: Aishwarya
Ganga: Deepika Padukone
Ved Vyas: Mammoty
Pandu: Mahesh Babu
Dhritrashtra: Akshay Kumar
Shakuni: Sathyaraj
Drishtradum : Allu Arjun
Drupad: Kamal Hassan
Draupadi:Katrina
Ashwathama: Vicky Kaushal
Your thoughts???
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Amir Khan ..lol.. Hrithik will be good for Lord Krishna Role
Arjun and Karna should be Jr NTR and Ram Charan
Dhuryodhan - Rana
Draupadi - Nayana Tara
 
I think there is some truth to the story of Mahabharatha. However, to me it looks it is highly embellished with each character given a larger than life persona to them.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Amir Khan ..lol.. Hrithik will be good for Lord Krishna Role
Arjun and Karna should be Jr NTR and Ram Charan
Dhuryodhan - Rana
Draupadi - Nayana Tara
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No Current crop of ppl can replace any of the actors from BR Chopra's EPIC Mahabharat..

Praveen Kumar was born to play Bheem at 6 feet 8, 270 odd pounds and Puneet Issar as Duryodhan at 6 feet 3 with a wrestler's physique....

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Champ_Pal said:
I think there is some truth to the story of Mahabharatha. However, to me it looks it is highly embellished with each character given a larger than life persona to them.
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It is fake lol, it is an epic like Greek epic. Same goes with religion lol.
 
On special request from some Pakistani friends, here’s Mahabharat for you. The greatest story of this land. Arguably the greatest story of human kind in folklore.


 
Not keen on discussing about Mahabharata in a Pakistani cricket site but all I would say is the teaching of the epic still holds good in day to day life even after 3000 years later.
 
Rajdeep said:
Not keen on discussing about Mahabharata in a Pakistani cricket site but all I would say is the teaching of the epic still holds good in day to day life even after 3000 years later.
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Majority of Pakistanis have always been respectable towards discussion of Hinduism. Please don’t hold yourself back due to some.
 
A myth, even encyclopaedias call it a mythical story.

Lol there were nuclear wars during BC era? Sure. Whatever convinces people
 
Major said:
A myth, even encyclopaedias call it a mythical story.

Lol there were nuclear wars during BC era? Sure. Whatever convinces people
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If Muslims can have serious discussions over the rise of a one eyed evil being and a messiah and a prophet descending from the heavens will join hands to defeat him, Hindus can also have serious discussions over Mahabharata.

One man’s mythical story is another man’s truth. It all depends on your faith and what you choose to believe in. Again, let’s not disrespect other religious sentiments when we cannot take it ourselves and have zero tolerance in this regard.
 
When you see and analyze religious texts without biases its pretty clear that its man made. However it doesn't reduce the greatness of it. I see it as pinnacle of human minds which created literature and values which have lasted centuries.
Regarding Mahabharta its my favorite mythology amongst all. Even the minor characters are fleshed out. There is no pure white or black character. To me its feels like Vyas created Mahabharata based on epic war between cousins which engulfed many other neighboring regional kings to take sides. With times other people kept building upon it to make Mahabharta the greatest and largest mythology of all.
 
Major said:
A myth, even encyclopaedias call it a mythical story.

Lol there were nuclear wars during BC era? Sure. Whatever convinces people
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All religions are ridiculous with their stories. So lets not go there.

Mahabharata is a story passed down from one generation to another. Word of mouth always gets exaggerated with time.

I don't think it is a complete myth. The characters in Mahabharata are mentioned in Jain scriptures too. The same goes for Ramayana.
 
Mamoon said:
If Muslims can have serious discussions over the rise of a one eyed evil being and a messiah and a prophet descending from the heavens will join hands to defeat him, Hindus can also have serious discussions over Mahabharata.

One man’s mythical story is another man’s truth. It all depends on your faith and what you choose to believe in. Again, let’s not disrespect other religious sentiments when we cannot take it ourselves and have zero tolerance in this regard.
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bro, this isnt an Islam thread?
and the op (who is a troll), made the the thread title whether Mahabaharat is a MYTH or REALITY?

I am getting the sense that some are convincing others that its a reality and saying other wise is targeting the religion. And in this discussion how can one ignore the so called nuclear war?

in the past 2 pages of this thread, nothing serious has been discussed. No one mentions the radition that they say emits from one of the location and how they claim their was a nuclear war in BC era
 
Champ_Pal said:
All religions are ridiculous with their stories. So lets not go there.

Mahabharata is a story passed down from one generation to another. Word of mouth always gets exaggerated with time.

I don't think it is a complete myth. The characters in Mahabharata are mentioned in Jain scriptures too. The same goes for Ramayana.
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why not? this thread is about Mahabharatha not about any other thing, yet i see that some want to bring in other religions into discussion to prove their point.

The thread title asks whether its a myth or not, on britannica encyclopedia its mentioned as mythical story and often i have seen Indians discuss about nuclear war in Mahabharata with full seriousness.

So basically, i shouldnt be calling this a myth because some people around here will get offended? So i have to accept the nuclear war in mahabharata as reality?
 
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