Maharaja Ranjit Singh's statue attacked in Lahore

[ReverseHit]

Sad really. Ranjit Singh was one of the fiercest opponents against the British Empire, and he did it while sitting at the throne in Lahore. He is the shared heritage of all Punjabis. I really hope this is a one-off thing, and not an attempt to erase a connection with the non-Islamic past or a response to revocation of Article 370 (I never thought some Pakistanis would go to this extent).

LAHORE: Some people damaged the statue of 19th century Sikh ruler Maharaja Ranjit Singh at Lahore Fort on Saturday.

Wielding clubs and bricks, they entered Mai Jinda’s Haveli where the statue was installed and damaged a part of it.

Onlookers informed the police who rushed to the site and arrested two suspects — Adnan Mughal and Asad. A criminal case was registered against the two who officials said seem to be members of a religious organisation.

The statue is a gift to the people of Punjab from the UK-based S.K. Foundation. The seven-foot-tall statue has been installed at Haveli Mai Jinda where Ranjit Singh’s beloved wife Maharani Jind Kaur resided.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1499267/ranjit-singhs-statue-vandalised

 

[Pakistanian]

Ranjit Singh was an oppressor of Kashmiris and Punjabi Muslims. While vandalism shouldn't be condoned, this statue of a tyrant shouldn't have been constructed in the first place. Pakistan shouldn't be erecting statues of any historical figure that was oppressive towards any community in Pakistan.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ranjit Singh was an oppressor of Kashmiris and Punjabi Muslims. While vandalism shouldn't be condoned, this statue of a tyrant shouldn't have been constructed in the first place. Pakistan shouldn't be erecting statues of any historical figure that was oppressive towards any community in Pakistan.

Bravo.

Do you notice the irony?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bravo.

Do you notice the irony?

Poor Sikh community of Pakistan.

 

[Pakistanian]

Poor Sikh community of Pakistan.

What does erecting a statue of an oppressive warlord have anything to do with Sikhism? He isn't one of the Gurus, he's not a prophet or a God in Sikhism. We don't have to hail an invader and murderer of Kashmiri and Punjabi Muslims as our hero.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Expect indians to join the outrage chorus for damage to a statue and support collateral damage of people protesting against their state. This is what idolatry does to you.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What does erecting a statue of an oppressive warlord have anything to do with Sikhism? He isn't one of the Gurus, he's not a prophet or a God in Sikhism. We don't have to hail an invader and murderer of Kashmiri and Punjabi Muslims as our hero.

So when a Hindu says the same about Aurangazeb or Tipu Sultan who slaughtered many people...he is a hateful bhak.th.

But when you do it, it's all fine.

 

[Pakistanian]

So when a Hindu says the same about Aurangazeb or Tipu Sultan who slaughtered many people...he is a hateful bhak.th.

But when you do it, it's all fine.

Did I ever say that? It's hilarious how you and other indians think all Pakistanis or Muslims hold the same opinion on every subject. I understand why Hindus don't consider them their heroes and neither should they expect us to worship their heroes, especially people like Ranjit Singh that mass murdered Kashmiris and forced an exodus of Kashmiri Muslims from the valley.

 

[Akki malhotra]

king Ranjit Singh was one of the most secular & Bravest king of subcontinent history. He was legend .

 

[Pakistanian]

king Ranjit Singh was one of the most secular & Bravest king of subcontinent history. He was legend .

Nothing secular about killing and oppressing Muslims. Murdering and raping Kashmiris and then creating circumstances for them to leave their homeland.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Did I ever say that? It's hilarious how you and other indians think all Pakistanis or Muslims hold the same opinion on every subject. I understand why Hindus don't consider them their heroes and neither should they expect us to worship their heroes, especially people like Ranjit Singh that mass murdered Kashmiris and forced an exodus of Kashmiri Muslims from the valley.

Nah. But don't you present yourself as the liberal from Murica?

Don't care whether you respect Ranjit Singh or not....just like I don't care if Aurangazeb and Tipu is respected over here.

If Hindus start writing about Muslim rules who committed atrocities, the Internet would break. lol.

My own religious heads had to scramble to safeguard our idols, jewels, etc from Muslim rulers.

If we start to dig up the past, what you will get a Youtube comment section situation over here.

Hindu - Muslim wars.
Caste wars.
Sect wars.

The list would be endless.

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I responded to your post where you say we shouldn't condone vandalism and then started talking about why such statues shouldn't have been constructed.

It's simple deflection.

The statue has been built.

Vandalism of all kinds should be condoned unconditionally.

Irony is that HAD an Indian used this logic after an incident here, I wouldn't have seen you defending him in this thread.

 

[Itachi]

It's just what I realized from my online/offline experiences while communicating with Pakistanis.

Pakistanis living abroad has more extreme views than Pakistanis living in Pakistan. Its as if some of these people have so much insecurities that they have to go out of their way to prove their connection with regards to Pakistan or Islam.

Hence, double standards does appear where due to extreme views, they try to defend an aspect while if on the receiving end, they try to raise voice as oppression.

You generally don't see it from a native Pakistani who probably understands the Desi society better than people living abroad.

 

[Pakistanian]

It's just what I realized from my online/offline experiences while communicating with Pakistanis.

Pakistanis living abroad has more extreme views than Pakistanis living in Pakistan. Its as if some of these people have so much insecurities that they have to go out of their way to prove their connection with regards to Pakistan or Islam.

Hence, double standards does appear where due to extreme views, they try to defend an aspect while if on the receiving end, they try to raise voice as oppression.

You generally don't see it from a native Pakistani who probably understands the Desi society better than people living abroad.

Uh.. most Pakistani-Americans and Pakistanis in Pakistan don't know or care too much about Ranjit Singh and people take advantage of that ignorance. I'm not a fan of the man because I'm well versed in history so I'm aware of his persecution of Kashmiris and Punjabi Muslims, why should I respect somebody that oppressed my ancestors and were one of the reasons behind their exodus from Kashmir.

 

[Pakistanian]

Nah. But don't you present yourself as the liberal from Murica?

Don't care whether you respect Ranjit Singh or not....just like I don't care if Aurangazeb and Tipu is respected over here.

If Hindus start writing about Muslim rules who committed atrocities, the Internet would break. lol.

My own religious heads had to scramble to safeguard our idols, jewels, etc from Muslim rulers.

If we start to dig up the past, what you will get a Youtube comment section situation over here.

Hindu - Muslim wars.
Caste wars.
Sect wars.

The list would be endless.

---

I responded to your post where you say we shouldn't condone vandalism and then started talking about why such statues shouldn't have been constructed.

It's simple deflection.

The statue has been built.

Vandalism of all kinds should be condoned unconditionally.

Irony is that HAD an Indian used this logic after an incident here, I wouldn't have seen you defending him in this thread.

blah blah blah y'all whine about that all the time. I don't give two hoots about it. I just don't respect this Ranjit Singh guy, why can't y'all accept that and move tf on.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

blah blah blah y'all whine about that all the time. I don't give two hoots about it. I just don't respect this Ranjit Singh guy, why can't y'all accept that and move tf on.

Who asked you not to lol.

It's a free world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nah. But don't you present yourself as the liberal from Murica?

Don't care whether you respect Ranjit Singh or not....just like I don't care if Aurangazeb and Tipu is respected over here.

If Hindus start writing about Muslim rules who committed atrocities, the Internet would break. lol.

My own religious heads had to scramble to safeguard our idols, jewels, etc from Muslim rulers.

If we start to dig up the past, what you will get a Youtube comment section situation over here.

Hindu - Muslim wars.
Caste wars.
Sect wars.

The list would be endless.

---

I responded to your post where you say we shouldn't condone vandalism and then started talking about why such statues shouldn't have been constructed.

It's simple deflection.

The statue has been built.

Vandalism of all kinds should be condoned unconditionally.

Irony is that HAD an Indian used this logic after an incident here, I wouldn't have seen you defending him in this thread.

SIF bro

Can you provide details of the religious head you talked about?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

SIF bro

Can you provide details of the religious head you talked about?

Sure I will get you the details. Not in front of comp.

 

[mani1]

king Ranjit Singh was one of the most secular & Bravest king of subcontinent history. He was legend .

Didn't he get defeated in Mirpur? Two years later his son arrived with an even larger army?

 

[CricketCartoons]

we indians were waiting for something where we can claim moral superiority for once, so thanks for this thread. outrage brigade in full force.

 

[mustang]

blah blah blah y'all whine about that all the time. I don't give two hoots about it. I just don't respect this Ranjit Singh guy, why can't y'all accept that and move tf on.

Typical!! He goes running away calling others as whiners once he cannot counter with a good debate.

Newsflash - people will not just "move tf on" just because you state loud obnoxious opinions. Internet forums ain't gonna work that way, people will debate and will prove you wrong if you are wrong.

 

[troodon]

Thank you Jinnah

 

[Mamoon]

The criticism of Ranjit Singh is a consequence of our decision to systematically forget our non-Islamic history and eliminate them from our history books.

He was a true hero of Punjab and defended the region from foreign invaders. He was one of the few leaders whom the British feared.

Furthermore, he is a major reason why Hinduism and Sikhism was protected from Islamization. If it wasn’t for him, these religions would probably have been wiped out.

Lahore is not for Muslims only. His legacy deserves to be celebrated.

 

[Civil]

It was two randoms..they were reported on immediately and arrested . Damages to statue will be repaired immediately. And this is Pakistan we are talking about. So shows plenty of love for Ranjit Singh two randoms don't change that.

Seems like folks just on fishing expedition to try to get on moral high ground. Keep fishing you'll find something cause it's Pakistan after all , and then there will be something in India and the vicious circle of the troll shall ever sustain like a hydroelectric dam.

but this is definitely not a good example better luck next time .

 

[Mani_si]

The criticism of Ranjit Singh is a consequence of our decision to systematically forget our non-Islamic history and eliminate them from our history books.

He was a true hero of Punjab and defended the region from foreign invaders. He was one of the few leaders whom the British feared.

Furthermore, he is a major reason why Hinduism and Sikhism was protected from Islamization. If it wasn’t for him, these religions would probably have been wiped out.

Lahore is not for Muslims only. His legacy deserves to be celebrated.

Thank you enlightening some of the Pakistani posters here. Britishers were only able to annex Punjab after Maharaja's death. My Grandparents (Sikhs) both the sides are from Lahore and yes buddy you are right Lahore is not only for Muslims.

 

[Musakhel]

The criticism of Ranjit Singh is a consequence of our decision to systematically forget our non-Islamic history and eliminate them from our history books.

He was a true hero of Punjab and defended the region from foreign invaders. He was one of the few leaders whom the British feared.

Furthermore, he is a major reason why Hinduism and Sikhism was protected from Islamization. If it wasn’t for him, these religions would probably have been wiped out.

Lahore is not for Muslims only. His legacy deserves to be celebrated.

Yes ranjit sing who ruled for 40 years saved Hinduism and sikhism, because previous muslim Rulers couldn't convert all Hindus and sikhs to Islam in the 700 years they ruled north India/Pak, does that even make sense to you lol?

 

[mustang]

It was two randoms..they were reported on immediately and arrested . Damages to statue will be repaired immediately. And this is Pakistan we are talking about. So shows plenty of love for Ranjit Singh two randoms don't change that.

Seems like folks just on fishing expedition to try to get on moral high ground. Keep fishing you'll find something cause it's Pakistan after all , and then there will be something in India and the vicious circle of the troll shall ever sustain like a hydroelectric dam.

but this is definitely not a good example better luck next time .

You want to fish? Well then here you go ...

44% of Kashmiris in Pakistan's Kashmir favored independence even as late as 2010. Source - https://www.bbc.com/news/10161171

Yet, there are actively enforced policies by Pakistan that discourage Kashmiri opinions favoring independence in Pakistan's Kashmir. Source - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...inking-pro-freedom-space-190304091423290.html

Somehow when presented with this data Pakistanis here either resort to personal attacks, only counter with personal opinions or get the entire thread flagged (and hidden). People have "fished" (your words) actual data points showing hypocrisy of Pakistan's government time and again. It is just that y'all want to ignore that because burying your head in the sand sometimes seems warm and snuggly.

 

[Civil]

You want to fish? Well then here you go ...

44% of Kashmiris in Pakistan's Kashmir favored independence even as late as 2010. Source - https://www.bbc.com/news/10161171

Yet, there are actively enforced policies by Pakistan that discourage Kashmiri opinions favoring independence in Pakistan's Kashmir. Source - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...inking-pro-freedom-space-190304091423290.html

Somehow when presented with this data Pakistanis here either resort to personal attacks, only counter with personal opinions or get the entire thread flagged (and hidden). People have "fished" (your words) actual data points showing hypocrisy of Pakistan's government time and again. It is just that y'all want to ignore that because burying your head in the sand sometimes seems warm and snuggly.

did you read my post ?

You only proved my point. Read my post carefully where i state that yes eventually you will find something that can support your anti pak views. it's Pakistan after all a third world country. It s so comfortable to sit in the western world look up articles and post all day anti pak views and vice versa. the article in the OP was not a good try is what i stated it actually shows a positive intent that they were reported on and arrested.

Now to your sidetrack on Kashmir topic. Let me be clear I agree with whatever ALL Kashmir wants. so don't categorize me in "y'all". Generalizing like this is dangerous in general.

We are not a monolith that you can just paint us with views to support your own psychological issues of tackling the big bad Pakistani on debate forums.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indians upset over bricks and mortar but celebate the deaths of innocent people.

Strange people

 

[Third_Umpire]

Idiots. Maharaja Ranjit Singh is one of Punjab's fiercest sons.

 

[mustang]

did you read my post ?

You only proved my point. Read my post carefully where i state that yes eventually you will find something that can support your anti pak views. it's Pakistan after all a third world country. It s so comfortable to sit in the western world look up articles and post all day anti pak views and vice versa. the article in the OP was not a good try is what i stated it actually shows a positive intent that they were reported on and arrested.

Now to your sidetrack on Kashmir topic. Let me be clear I agree with whatever ALL Kashmir wants. so don't categorize me in "y'all". Generalizing like this is dangerous in general.

We are not a monolith that you can just paint us with views to support your own psychological issues of tackling the big bad Pakistani on debate forums.

Actually your points about not being a monolith, people finding specific points - I agree with 'em! As individuals, I have found Pakistani people to be very good folks. My points are against the government and it's policies with wrong priorities over the years. Clarifying this for your comment about the population not being a monolith (so true, what you said). Believe it or not, we see the exact same comments about Americans from some of the posters here (we are not all Trump supporting gun maniacs).

I raised my point in response to your post because sometimes genuine posts calling out against a long running government policy with good supporting data gets flagged/hidden in an unfair manner. So the reverse of what you stated is also true (which is what I wanted to convey).

 

[mustang]

did you read my post ?

You only proved my point. Read my post carefully where i state that yes eventually you will find something that can support your anti pak views. it's Pakistan after all a third world country. It s so comfortable to sit in the western world look up articles and post all day anti pak views and vice versa. the article in the OP was not a good try is what i stated it actually shows a positive intent that they were reported on and arrested.

Now to your sidetrack on Kashmir topic. Let me be clear I agree with whatever ALL Kashmir wants. so don't categorize me in "y'all". Generalizing like this is dangerous in general.

We are not a monolith that you can just paint us with views to support your own psychological issues of tackling the big bad Pakistani on debate forums.

Forgot to add - "y'all" when I said was the good number of posters who choose to bury their heads in the sand.

Glad to see your view. I'm not a Pakistani but I fully support independence for Kashmir valley on both sides of the border. If landlocked Bhutan can be independent, landlocked Kashmir valley can also be an independent nation.

 

[Pakistanian]

Idiots. Maharaja Ranjit Singh is one of Punjab's fiercest sons.

He's not a son of Punjab if he only served the interest of one community and persecuted other Punjabis

 

[troodon]

Indians upset over bricks and mortar but celebate the deaths of innocent people.

Strange people

Different situations. You know that.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It was two randoms..they were reported on immediately and arrested . Damages to statue will be repaired immediately. And this is Pakistan we are talking about. So shows plenty of love for Ranjit Singh two randoms don't change that.

Seems like folks just on fishing expedition to try to get on moral high ground. Keep fishing you'll find something cause it's Pakistan after all , and then there will be something in India and the vicious circle of the troll shall ever sustain like a hydroelectric dam.

but this is definitely not a good example better luck next time .

Yes, I was pleased to see that there was only two vandals involved, and they were arrested for it. Obviously still needs to be condemned, but we should keep some perspective.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Different situations. You know that.

Yes once second Indians deny rape, torture and murder or even cheer it on and next second upset over a statue being damaged.

I dont support either.

 

[slipcatch]

LOL

It is a statue, waste of money and look ugly.

But no need to damage it and drop it to the level of Hindutva.

Hindutva use this as an excuse to justify killing of more minorities in their own land.

 

[Kaptain]

Destroying remnants of other religions has always been part of radical Islam. Is anyone surprised by this?

 

[Ram Shekhar]

This is a one off incident I'm hearing from Pakistan which lately has largely been a secular nation. However, these kinds of news are on my daily newspaper in my country.

 

[Kaptain]

This is a one off incident I'm hearing from Pakistan which lately has largely been a secular nation. However, these kinds of news are on my daily newspaper in my country.

That's because the minorities are nearly wiped out in Pakistan. It's easy to be secular when the minorities are less than 2-3%. And what newspaper are you referring to, The "Dawn"?

 

[Ram Shekhar]

That's because the minorities are nearly wiped out in Pakistan. It's easy to be secular when the minorities are less than 2-3%. And what newspaper are you referring to, The "Dawn"?

No, I read the "Hindu". Imran Khan has reached out to all sections of society and one feels the minorities are doing well over there than here. How times changed!

 

[Kaptain]

No, I read the "Hindu". Imran Khan has reached out to all sections of society and one feels the minorities are doing well over there than here. How times changed!

Ah you read the "Hindu", the communist paper which practices "One way" secularism. Got it.

 

[JaDed]

No, I read the "Hindu". Imran Khan has reached out to all sections of society and one feels the minorities are doing well over there than here. How times changed!

Its actually “The Hindu” and i’m glad your inference is based on your feelings.

And for last two days Pakistani posters have been mocking that paper, that Indians believe only when its on ‘The Hindu’ so maybe you should enhance and read other papers as well.

 

[ReverseHit]

One of his top commanders was a Muslim, one of his wives was a Muslim (and he let her continue practicing her religion), he built new mosques for his Muslim subjects and restored Mughal era buildings which were left to ruins by the constant invasions from the barbaric Afghan warlords.

If anything, he brought peace and stability for a few decades, after decades of constant plunder of Punjab (and yes that includes the plunder of Punjabi Muslims) by the brute Afghans. But sure, you can choose to disregard all this and ignore him because he was a non-Muslim ruler, so he must have been oppressive.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Why so much noise about this idiot maharaja. What is his contribution?

 

[Muddaser]

It's just what I realized from my online/offline experiences while communicating with Pakistanis.

Pakistanis living abroad has more extreme views than Pakistanis living in Pakistan. Its as if some of these people have so much insecurities that they have to go out of their way to prove their connection with regards to Pakistan or Islam.

Hence, double standards does appear where due to extreme views, they try to defend an aspect while if on the receiving end, they try to raise voice as oppression.

You generally don't see it from a native Pakistani who probably understands the Desi society better than people living abroad.

The statue was vandalized by "Native" Pakistanis.

 

[Muddaser]

You want to fish? Well then here you go ...

44% of Kashmiris in Pakistan's Kashmir favored independence even as late as 2010. Source - https://www.bbc.com/news/10161171

Yet, there are actively enforced policies by Pakistan that discourage Kashmiri opinions favoring independence in Pakistan's Kashmir. Source - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...inking-pro-freedom-space-190304091423290.html

Somehow when presented with this data Pakistanis here either resort to personal attacks, only counter with personal opinions or get the entire thread flagged (and hidden). People have "fished" (your words) actual data points showing hypocrisy of Pakistan's government time and again. It is just that y'all want to ignore that because burying your head in the sand sometimes seems warm and snuggly.

Give it up "American" veteran.

Why should anyone take you seriously when you hide your real identity.

Still fascinated to know how an American veteran deployed in the Middle East managed to find a Pakistani cricket forum and the only topics of interest are anything related to India.

 

[BaankeJi]

Why so much noise about this idiot maharaja. What is his contribution?

No contribution. People have just gone mad. Trust me.

 

[Greenstorm]

Pakistanis hate him mainly because of what he did to Badshahi Mosque(Used it as stable for horses). That is the only thing most people know about him.

 

[Braveheart]

Ranjit Singh was an oppressor of Kashmiris and Punjabi Muslims. While vandalism shouldn't be condoned, this statue of a tyrant shouldn't have been constructed in the first place. Pakistan shouldn't be erecting statues of any historical figure that was oppressive towards any community in Pakistan.

Surprising that Lahore Museum has a lot of space dedicated to Ranjit Singh.

 

[RajBan]

No, I read the "Hindu". Imran Khan has reached out to all sections of society and one feels the minorities are doing well over there than here. How times changed!

You are in the wrong if you think so. Yeah the benchmark for the two countries( retaining identity vs being equal) are different , so obviously it's not a direct comparison.

 

[RajBan]

Its actually “The Hindu” and i’m glad your inference is based on your feelings.

And for last two days Pakistani posters have been mocking that paper, that Indians believe only when its on ‘The Hindu’ so maybe you should enhance and read other papers as well.

Fine message for both sets of self righteous netizens.

 

[AdamM97]

Whatever our personal view of Ranjit Singh is, vandalising his statue is not acceptable.

I'm no fan of Ranjit Singh and don't consider him a Punjabi 'hero' as some Punjabi Muslims do considering the atrocities he committed against Punjabi Muslims but we can't deny that he is a part of Punjab's and particularly Lahore's history.

 

[MenInG]

Whatever our personal view of Ranjit Singh is, vandalising his statue is not acceptable.

Totally agree. All of this is Lahore's heritage and should not be touched. We have some real Jahils who do this in the name of religion

 

[AdamM97]

That's because the minorities are nearly wiped out in Pakistan. It's easy to be secular when the minorities are less than 2-3%. And what newspaper are you referring to, The "Dawn"?

Pakistan's minorities have been around 3-4% of the total population since 1947. Religious discrimination is very common in Pakistan but i don't think any religious group has been "nearly wiped out in Pakistan". Which religious group has been "nearly wiped out in Pakistan"?.

 

[mustang]

Give it up "American" veteran.

Why should anyone take you seriously when you hide your real identity.

Still fascinated to know how an American veteran deployed in the Middle East managed to find a Pakistani cricket forum and the only topics of interest are anything related to India.

I have no obligation to share my personal life with you nor do I have to explain my origins. I would happily explain my background for those who engage in an actual discourse but never obligated to do so for personal attack morons. This ain't an autocratic dictator land. I can be the heir prince of the kingdom of Lesotho for all you care.

Do you have the intellectual ability to actually respond to discussion points without resorting to weak moves like personal attacks?

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Lol the peoples which are moaning over a clay statue are those who are are the biggest supporter of killing muslims in their own mata land. Mob of shameless cowards.

 

[Muddaser]

On 7 July 1799, the Sikh army of Ranjit Singh took control of Lahore.[10] After the capture of the city, Maharaja Ranjit Singh used its vast courtyard as a stable for his army horses, and its 80 Hujras (small study rooms surrounding the courtyard) as quarters for his soldiers and as magazines for military stores.[11] In 1818, he built a marble edifice in the Hazuri Bagh facing the mosque, known as the Hazuri Bagh Baradari,[12] which he used as his official royal court of audience.[13] Marble slabs for the baradari may have been plundered by the Sikhs from other monuments in Lahore.[14]

During the First Anglo-Sikh War in 1841, Ranjit Singh's son, Sher Singh, used the mosque's large minarets for placement of zamburahs or light guns which were used to bombard the supporters of Chand Kaur, who had taken refuge in the besieged Lahore Fort. In one of these bombardments, the fort's Diwan-e-Aam (Hall of Public Audience) was destroyed, but was subsequently rebuilt in the British era.[2] During this time, Henri de La Rouche, a French cavalry officer employed in the army of Sher Singh,[15] also used a tunnel connecting the Badshahi mosque to the Lahore fort to temporarily store gunpowder.[16]

Not our hero.