Major DNA ancestry database now correctly lists Pakistanis as Central Asian

[Mesozoic]

Where did I say that the Gupta and other Hindu empires didn't exist first show me this? I said that the Mughal's ruled India for 800 years dominating Hindu empires so get your facts right. Also I have said that Mughals killed many innocents as well particularly Hindu's yet married in their community as well to further their own agenda. I think it is natural for the Gupta empire to have a long life in a Hindu majority land!!

800 years ?



You are just embarassing yourselves.

 

[hussain.r97]

Where did I say that the Gupta and other Hindu empires didn't exist first show me this? I said that the Mughal's ruled India for 800 years dominating Hindu empires so get your facts right. Also I have said that Mughals killed many innocents as well particularly Hindu's yet married in their community as well to further their own agenda. I think it is natural for the Gupta empire to have a long life in a Hindu majority land!!

How many times are you going to embarrass yourself? This is a basic chronology of the major powers of the subcontinent below which I hope will prevent you from embarrassing yourself further.

Indus Valley Civilization (?)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Nanda Empire - 4th century BCE–322 BCE (Jainism)
Maurya Empire - 322 BCE–185 BCE (Buddhism, Jainism)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Western Satraps - 35–405 CE (Hinduism, Buddhism)
Gupta Empire - 3rd century CE–543 CE (Hinduism)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Ghurid Sultanate (North) 879–1215CE (Islam)
Delhi Sultanate - 1206–1526CE (Islam)
Mughal Empire - 1526– ~1750CE (Islam)
Maratha Empire - 1674– ~1818CE (Hinduism)
Company Rule + British Raj - 1757-1947CE (Christianity)
India and Pakistan - 1947CE -


Mughals ruled for barely 200 years, and actually overthrew another Muslim Empire to established power. They were actually overthrown by a Hindu Empire in the end.

 

[PakLFC]

I never said there is no conflict in the world, nor did I say the human rights situation is perfect. But can you honestly tell me human rights now are the same as they were 500 or even 100 years ago? Absolutely not. There are only small pockets of the world right now that live with a similar human rights situation as the past. Even most of Asia and Africa have relatively better human rights in this era, there are just a few pockets like Kashmir, Xinxiang, Yemen, and a few other places in the Middle East and Africa. Even countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, as extremely repressive they are, are more free than most societies of the past.



The people living in these empires would not have achieved what they did without living in the right type of environment. Science flourished in the Abbasid Caliphate because it was promoted by the rulers, the mathematicians in Ancient India made those developments in maths and astronomy because the government of the time allowed such developments to happen. How did a Pakistani from a modest background like Abdus Salam achieve so much? Yes, he was extremely intelligent, but he had to go to the UK to realise his full potential. He would not have had the same achievements in Pakistan simply because Pakistan lacks the opportunities and environment available to him in England. Sure, the empires of the past were oftentimes brutal, but that was the reality of that time period. I don't excuse the Americans or British though, as their brutality came in a time of enlightenment, and greater awareness and value of human rights.

Small pockets?? Most of the worlds countries are involved in one conflict or another. You see the media chooses what conflict it wants to report on and what one it ignores. Most of Africa is in some fight with neighbouring countries that you'd see if you did some research. Oh I see o according to your wisdom if I can call it that the poor kid's have to accept that to accomplish things they have to be invaded by what you see as superior forces! Not all people who achieved great things were invaded, many figured it out themselves as well like ancient Hindu's and Greek's didn't need to be taught my invading armies.

Now Abdus and his kind can not be compared to what we are talking about here. His kind went to the west coz we have been unsuccessful in establishing Islamic values since the Holy Prophet(SAW) left this world. Pak is responsible for it's own suffering more then any outside country, I am not one of those Zaid Hamid types of see's the west as being the big Satan blaming it for everything. My point is very simple that invaders take over other counties for their own benefit saying we'll bring the people this and that. This is partly because the governments of such countries themselves are incapable in every aspect.

 

[PakLFC]

How many times are you going to embarrass yourself? This is a basic chronology of the major powers of the subcontinent below which I hope will prevent you from embarrassing yourself further.

Indus Valley Civilization (?)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Nanda Empire - 4th century BCE–322 BCE (Jainism)
Maurya Empire - 322 BCE–185 BCE (Buddhism, Jainism)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Western Satraps - 35–405 CE (Hinduism, Buddhism)
Gupta Empire - 3rd century CE–543 CE (Hinduism)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Ghurid Sultanate (North) 879–1215CE (Islam)
Delhi Sultanate - 1206–1526CE (Islam)
Mughal Empire - 1526– ~1750CE (Islam)
Maratha Empire - 1674– ~1818CE (Hinduism)
Company Rule + British Raj - 1757-1947CE (Christianity)
India and Pakistan - 1947CE -


Mughals ruled for barely 200 years, and actually overthrew another Muslim Empire to established power. They were actually overthrown by a Hindu Empire in the end.

Why are you showing me some boring list from centuries back to prove what?? Mughals ruled for about 800 years in many forms. I never get embarrassed being the intelligent man I am. The rule was in various forms bending according to the times.

 

[PakLFC]

800 years ?



You are just embarassing yourselves.

Yes 800 years. Some say a 1000 years but it was actually 800.

 

[PakLFC]

As usual your numbers are a bit off. Mughal power lasted from 1527 to about 1717. 190 years and not 800 years.

Your ignorance of history is quite astounding.

No more replies!

Then why do you continue making a fool of yourself?? Yes 800 years for sure no doubt about it. I am to hard skinned to worry about criticism like your type.

 

[hussain.r97]

Small pockets?? Most of the worlds countries are involved in one conflict or another. You see the media chooses what conflict it wants to report on and what one it ignores. Most of Africa is in some fight with neighbouring countries that you'd see if you did some research. Oh I see o according to your wisdom if I can call it that the poor kid's have to accept that to accomplish things they have to be invaded by what you see as superior forces! Not all people who achieved great things were invaded, many figured it out themselves as well like ancient Hindu's and Greek's didn't need to be taught my invading armies.

According to the criteria used by this map, if you went back even 200 years, almost the whole world would have been dark red. We have come a long long way from those times, and definitely still have a long way to go.

Now Abdus and his kind can not be compared to what we are talking about here. His kind went to the west coz we have been unsuccessful in establishing Islamic values since the Holy Prophet(SAW) left this world. Pak is responsible for it's own suffering more then any outside country, I am not one of those Zaid Hamid types of see's the west as being the big Satan blaming it for everything. My point is very simple that invaders take over other counties for their own benefit saying we'll bring the people this and that. This is partly because the governments of such countries themselves are incapable in every aspect.

I agree with this, but once again, this can't be applied to the ancient or medieval world. In the past, the world was enlightened through brutal and imperialistic expansion, that is the sad truth. The fact is that, though Empires always stood on very bloody and brutal foundations, they were the best type of government to facilitate enlightenment and the development of ideas. That is why much of the development of human civilizations happened under these empires.

 

[PakLFC]

[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION]

To add to the above, I have many Indian Muslim friends. While they are definitely culturally different, I absolutely disagree with what you are saying about them. They absolutely do not combine Hinduism into their beliefs, nor have I seen them marrying into Hindus as if it's a normal thing. I know many Indians that are much better Muslims than Pakistani Muslims in fact, your comment reeks of ignorance.

Yes they do mostly combine Hinduism with Islam and are hypocrites to the core. Not only that but they celebrate Hindu festivals and often marry Hindu people as well. Most attend temples where as their women practise Hindu customs as well, they may as well all convert to Hinduism as well. I much prefer Indian Hindu's and Sikh's who are true to themselves then these hypocrites who no one likes or wants. They expect sympathy from us when the Hindu's are thumping them yet support the Indian military when it murders Kashmiris. You are just another hypocrite wanting unity with them, if you love them so much then go and live with them wearing vermilion on your forehead. Pakistan has the highest number of practising Muslims anywhere on earth. I can't stand Indian Muslim's at all and enjoy seeing them suffer.

 

[hussain.r97]

Yes they do mostly combine Hinduism with Islam and are hypocrites to the core. Not only that but they celebrate Hindu festivals and often marry Hindu people as well. Most attend temples where as their women practise Hindu customs as well, they may as well all convert to Hinduism as well. I much prefer Indian Hindu's and Sikh's who are true to themselves then these hypocrites who no one likes or wants. They expect sympathy from us when the Hindu's are thumping them yet support the Indian military when it murders Kashmiris. You are just another hypocrite wanting unity with them, if you love them so much then go and live with them wearing vermilion on your forehead. Pakistan has the highest number of practising Muslims anywhere on earth. I can't stand Indian Muslim's at all and enjoy seeing them suffer.

How many Indian Muslims have you interacted with? I don't know a single one that celebrates Hindu festivals, married Hindus, or even attend temples. Maybe it's just the few you interacted with? Or maybe you haven't met any, and are making things up to suit your own message. Sure, they are culturally different in some ways, but definitely not in the ways you're saying. Maybe if you broadened your horizons, you wouldn't be making such ignorant statements and generalisations.

 

[PakLFC]

According to the criteria used by this map, if you went back even 200 years, almost the whole world would have been dark red. We have come a long long way from those times, and definitely still have a long way to go.



I agree with this, but once again, this can't be applied to the ancient or medieval world. In the past, the world was enlightened through brutal and imperialistic expansion, that is the sad truth. The fact is that, though Empires always stood on very bloody and brutal foundations, they were the best type of government to facilitate enlightenment and the development of ideas. That is why much of the development of human civilizations happened under these empires.

Look! The world is not anymore peaceful today although it may seem so coz of all the technology we have. So enlightenment came at the expense of getting walloped!!/ You are talking plane rubbish here and need your head checked. Empires invaded coz people were weak and that continues until this day and age. Might is right will always be the in thing.

 

[PakLFC]

How many Indian Muslims have you interacted with? I don't know a single one that celebrates Hindu festivals, married Hindus, or even attend temples. Maybe it's just the few you interacted with? Or maybe you haven't met any, and are making things up to suit your own message. Sure, they are culturally different in some ways, but definitely not in the ways you're saying. Maybe if you broadened your horizons, you wouldn't be making such ignorant statements and generalisations.

Well you better get out and about iif you don't know that annoying lot often practise Hindu rituals. I have known many of them and rejected their friendship all the time even refusing to shake their hand or reply to their "Salaam". I can also tell you that many Pakistanis I know fell they same away about them. There are millions of their Muslim's who marry Hindu's or have illicit relations with them, start with their Bollywood stars. You are just an immature man who knows nothing, your contact with their Muslim's has most likely been through dreams or perhaps you like a Katrina Kaif that you are defending them so vigorously. Shows how incredibly dumb you are when you don't know Hindu-Muslim marriages in India are very common.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yes 800 years. Some say a 1000 years but it was actually 800.

Sure.

 

[hussain.r97]

Look! The world is not anymore peaceful today although it may seem so coz of all the technology we have. So enlightenment came at the expense of getting walloped!!/ You are talking plane rubbish here and need your head checked. Empires invaded coz people were weak and that continues until this day and age. Might is right will always be the in thing.

Do you have evidence to back your claim of the world not getting any more peaceful? You can look at how destructive past wars and conflicts were for the global population compared to now, there's actual data and evidence for that. Where is the evidence to substantiate your claims?

Second of all, yes, many empires in the past invaded smaller nations because they were weaker. However, it's a lot more complicated than simply just stating that "might is right". In the past, the system of trade, credit, and markets simply did not exist, and there was no real way for a nation to remain financially stable without either fighting wars and bringing home loot, or annexing new lands to give your nation a boost. That was the main incentive for war, and then there were periods where more ambitious people set out to conquer less civilised nations and bring them into the fold of their own empire and integrate them.

A side effect of these conquests was less developed nations coming into the fold of these larger, more prosperous and developed empires and then rising significantly. Without Rome conquering Europe, the region would have remained a backwater nation filled with lots of small tribes. Another side effect of these conquests was that when these less civilised nations were assimilated, violent deaths actually decreased due to the laws of a civilised nation applying to these tribal people. You only need to look at the fact that in the last few remaining tribal societies on Earth, most of the men die violent deaths. Therefore, drawing parallels between former Empires and modern day oppressive nations like the USA simply makes no sense.

 

[hussain.r97]

Well you better get out and about iif you don't know that annoying lot often practise Hindu rituals. I have known many of them and rejected their friendship all the time even refusing to shake their hand or reply to their "Salaam". I can also tell you that many Pakistanis I know fell they same away about them. There are millions of their Muslim's who marry Hindu's or have illicit relations with them, start with their Bollywood stars. You are just an immature man who knows nothing, your contact with their Muslim's has most likely been through dreams or perhaps you like a Katrina Kaif that you are defending them so vigorously. Shows how incredibly dumb you are when you don't know Hindu-Muslim marriages in India are very common.

They may be common in India, but there certainly isn't a majority practicing it. You can't issue blanket statements about people like that. It's akin to calling all Pakistanis terrorists and pedophilles due to the actions of a few.

 

[PakLFC]

Sure.

You should be happy that they contributed the most to your culture and history. When I think India I do off Biryani, Kebabs, Costumes, Qawwali, Ghazals, Sherwani, Salwar Kameez, Ghalib and Urdu poetry to name a few things. Inevitably throughout their rule many atrocities were committed as well but Moghuls were the best thing to ever have happened to the subcontinent.

 

[hussain.r97]

Why are you showing me some boring list from centuries back to prove what?? Mughals ruled for about 800 years in many forms. I never get embarrassed being the intelligent man I am. The rule was in various forms bending according to the times.

I literally put a list of the ruling periods of India, and you're still standing by your claim of 800 years of Mughal rule? Bravo! You must know something that the Mughals themselves didn't even know!

 

[PakLFC]

They may be common in India, but there certainly isn't a majority practicing it. You can't issue blanket statements about people like that. It's akin to calling all Pakistanis terrorists and pedophilles due to the actions of a few.

No one ever called me a terrorist! I am glad you have finally accepted that they may be common in India now after I showed you the mirror. We got there in the end! It is fact that Hindu-Muslim marriages in India are very common to see for those who have some understanding. This is one reason why the Quaid wanted Pakistan so we don't compromise on on culture and faith.

 

[PakLFC]

I literally put a list of the ruling periods of India, and you're still standing by your claim of 800 years of Mughal rule? Bravo! You must know something that the Mughals themselves didn't even know!

I have seen many programmes on the subject from all perspectives. They are much more valid then any list you provide.

 

[hussain.r97]

No one ever called me a terrorist! I am glad you have finally accepted that they may be common in India now after I showed you the mirror. We got there in the end! It is fact that Hindu-Muslim marriages in India are very common to see for those who have some understanding. This is one reason why the Quaid wanted Pakistan so we don't compromise on on culture and faith.

Again, you are exaggerating. Common could mean 1 in a million in a country as large as India. The reality is that it's not something regular or accepted by the vast majority of Indian Muslims. If it was as rampant as you're making it out to be, the Muslim population in India would actually be shrinking.

 

[hussain.r97]

I have seen many programmes on the subject from all perspectives. They are much more valid then any list you provide.

Your programmes are more valid than centuries of historiography done by actual scholars and historians?

 

[Abdullah719]

They may be common in India, but there certainly isn't a majority practicing it. You can't issue blanket statements about people like that. It's akin to calling all Pakistanis terrorists and pedophilles due to the actions of a few.

I am afraid you're wasting your time here.

 

[Mesozoic]

You should be happy that they contributed the most to your culture and history. When I think India I do off Biryani, Kebabs, Costumes, Qawwali, Ghazals, Sherwani, Salwar Kameez, Ghalib and Urdu poetry to name a few things. Inevitably throughout their rule many atrocities were committed as well but Moghuls were the best thing to ever have happened to the subcontinent.

Yeah. Sure.

 

[Akki malhotra]

How many Indian Muslims have you interacted with? I don't know a single one that celebrates Hindu festivals, married Hindus, or even attend temples. Maybe it's just the few you interacted with? Or maybe you haven't met any, and are making things up to suit your own message. Sure, they are culturally different in some ways, but definitely not in the ways you're saying. Maybe if you broadened your horizons, you wouldn't be making such ignorant statements and generalisations.

Is it crime in Islam if you celebrate happiness with human beings. ? Like if other religion people celebrates diwali and other festivals and Muslims may come and celebrate with them then it's not ok in Islam?. The more I know about this religion or mentality,the more I thank my stars that I am non Muslim.

 

[hussain.r97]

Is it crime in Islam if you celebrate happiness with human beings. ? Like if other religion people celebrates diwali and other festivals and Muslims may come and celebrate with them then it's not ok in Islam?. The more I know about this religion or mentality,the more I thank my stars that I am non Muslim.

I don't believe it's a crime, there's absolutely nothing wrong. Just pointing out to him that what he's claiming is incorrect. I think I'm done replying to him, he has no regard for facts, and disrespects anyone who holds differing views to him

 

[Akki malhotra]

I don't believe it's a crime, there's absolutely nothing wrong. Just pointing out to him that what he's claiming is incorrect. I think I'm done replying to him, he has no regard for facts, and disrespects anyone who holds differing views to him

I was also commenting on such mentality . Our RSS thrives on this type on mentality. They point out this mentality.
Luckily our Indian Muslims or mostly educated ones , celebrate happiness with all indians . .
We have only 3-4 muslim colleagues in our office. We all celebrated diwali . They took even prasad from temple when distributed. We all others celebrated eid with the same passion with them. We even wore those skull caps and ate all delicious food.

 

[Akki malhotra]

I was also commenting on such mentality . Our RSS thrives on this type on mentality. They point out this mentality.
Luckily our Indian Muslims or mostly educated ones , celebrate happiness with all indians . .
We have only 3-4 muslim colleagues in our office. We all celebrated diwali . They took even prasad from temple when distributed. We all others celebrated eid with the same passion with them. We even wore those skull caps and ate all delicious food.

Nobody went to temple. It was just prasad which was distributed in office. So all ate the same. Just in case someone misinterpret the religious values of my fellow Muslim colleagues of office.

 

[hussain.r97]

I was also commenting on such mentality . Our RSS thrives on this type on mentality. They point out this mentality.
Luckily our Indian Muslims or mostly educated ones , celebrate happiness with all indians . .
We have only 3-4 muslim colleagues in our office. We all celebrated diwali . They took even prasad from temple when distributed. We all others celebrated eid with the same passion with them. We even wore those skull caps and ate all delicious food.

I get what you're saying, and of course it is great that people respect each other and are happy for each other. What he is implying though is that Indian Muslims have completely forgotten their religion, have mixed Hindu beliefs into their religion, and are lesser Muslims than Pakistani Muslims.

I don't think any of that is true, and his comment reeks of ignorance and arrogance.

If he has a problem with people of various religions respecting each other and co-existing, then shame on him. I live in New Zealand, and in March we had a terrorist attack on a mosque in Christchurch. I visited Christchurch and went to the mosque, where I saw Christians, Buddhists, and Hindus coming to pay their respects and pray with Muslims, it was one of the best things I have ever seen, and to have a problem with something like that is the height of narrow mindedness and does not even represent Muslim values. In fact, not only at that mosque, but in mosques all around the country, people of all faiths came to pay respects, show solidarity, and even stood outside the mosque to protect Muslims as a symbol of resistance against white supremacy.

 

[mustang]

I have seen many programmes on the subject from all perspectives. They are much more valid then any list you provide.

This is priceless! For the sake of argument, can you cite any such programs that prove Mughals ruled over South Asia for 800 years?

 

[AdamM97]

How many times are you going to embarrass yourself? This is a basic chronology of the major powers of the subcontinent below which I hope will prevent you from embarrassing yourself further.

Indus Valley Civilization (?)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Nanda Empire - 4th century BCE–322 BCE (Jainism)
Maurya Empire - 322 BCE–185 BCE (Buddhism, Jainism)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Western Satraps - 35–405 CE (Hinduism, Buddhism)
Gupta Empire - 3rd century CE–543 CE (Hinduism)
---Various Empires and Kingdoms---
Ghurid Sultanate (North) 879–1215CE (Islam)
Delhi Sultanate - 1206–1526CE (Islam)
Mughal Empire - 1526– ~1750CE (Islam)
Maratha Empire - 1674– ~1818CE (Hinduism)
Company Rule + British Raj - 1757-1947CE (Christianity)
India and Pakistan - 1947CE -


Mughals ruled for barely 200 years, and actually overthrew another Muslim Empire to established power. They were actually overthrown by a Hindu Empire in the end.

Overthrown?

The Mughals became puppets of the Durranis, Marathas and the Sayyid brothers in the 18th century, but weren’t overthrown until 1857 by the British.

Also, the biggest setback for the Mughals was not caused by the Marathas or the Durranis but by Nader Shah and his Afsharid Persian army who sacked and looted Delhi in 1739.

 

[hussain.r97]

Overthrown?

The Mughals became puppets of the Durranis, Marathas and the Sayyid brothers in the 18th century, but weren’t overthrown until 1857 by the British.

Also, the biggest setback for the Mughals was not caused by the Marathas or the Durranis but by Nader Shah and his Afsharid Persian army who sacked and looted Delhi in 1739.

Yes you're right, apologies, used the wrong words. What I mean to say is that the Marathas overtook the Mughals as the major power of the subcontinent. Mughals were eventually confined to Delhi until the British overthrew them.

 

[AdamM97]

Yes you're right, apologies, used the wrong words. What I mean to say is that the Marathas overtook the Mughals as the major power of the subcontinent. Mughals were eventually confined to Delhi until the British overthrew them.

Yes. It’s crazy how rapidly the Marathas replaced the Mughals as the major power of South Asia. In 1690, they were just local rebels who were referred to as ”Mountain Rats” by the Mughals. But by the 1760s, the Mughals were forced to ask Sadashivrau Bhau and Mahadji Shinde for help against the Afghans.

 

[hussain.r97]

Yes. It’s crazy how rapidly the Marathas replaced the Mughals as the major power of South Asia. In 1690, they were just local rebels who were referred to as ”Mountain Rats” by the Mughals. But by the 1760s, the Mughals were forced to ask Sadashivrau Bhau and Mahadji Shinde for help against the Afghans.

Yeah, it was quite a dramatic fall, and in my opinion, can at least partly be attributed to the fact that the title of emperor was passed through hereditary succession, meaning that the later period emperors were weak, selfish, incompetent, and did not care for the poor. One of the many caveats of hereditary succession.

 

[PakLFC]

Again, you are exaggerating. Common could mean 1 in a million in a country as large as India. The reality is that it's not something regular or accepted by the vast majority of Indian Muslims. If it was as rampant as you're making it out to be, the Muslim population in India would actually be shrinking.

Muslims have more kids then other communities which is why they are growing. Another thing is that people with Muslim names are often counted as believers like Salman Khan who always calls himself "insaan". Many so called Muslims of India have no problem in worshipping in Hindu temples there! Do some impartial research.

 

[PakLFC]

This is priceless! For the sake of argument, can you cite any such programs that prove Mughals ruled over South Asia for 800 years?

See the youtube! Do you expect me to remember names of programmes for people like you when it's common knowledge? Do you live in a cave that you don't know the obvious?

 

[hussain.r97]

Muslims have more kids then other communities which is why they are growing. Another thing is that people with Muslim names are often counted as believers like Salman Khan who always calls himself "insaan". Many so called Muslims of India have no problem in worshipping in Hindu temples there! Do some impartial research.

Like you did? Irony just died a thousand deaths.

 

[PakLFC]

Yeah. Sure.

Glad you agree. We got there in the end. I am here to lecture people like you.

 

[hussain.r97]

See the youtube! Do you expect me to remember names of programmes for people like you when it's common knowledge? Do you live in a cave that you don't know the obvious?

Read authentic books (or watch documentaries that cite books) if you want to learn history, don't watch some obscure shows on Youtube. Clearly something wrong with what you're watching if they're telling you the Mughals were an 800 year old empire

 

[PakLFC]

Your programmes are more valid than centuries of historiography done by actual scholars and historians?

Programmes included comments by historians.

 

[PakLFC]

Read authentic books (or watch documentaries that cite books) if you want to learn history, don't watch some obscure shows on Youtube. Clearly something wrong with what you're watching if they're telling you the Mughals were an 800 year old empire

By "authentic" you mean those that support your absurd views. There are many shows on "The History Channel" telling it the way it is!

 

[PakLFC]

Like you did? Irony just died a thousand deaths.

As I said Moghuls did kill many innocent people that proves I am indeed impartial. Not painting them or their empire to be perfect or even Islamic in any way.

 

[hussain.r97]

By "authentic" you mean those that support your absurd views. There are many shows on "The History Channel" telling it the way it is!

Links please. Anyone would be hard pressed to find anything that supports your view, it's absurd. You could start by reading Babur's own autobiography, which clearly mentions the beginning of the Mughal era.

Anyway, done arguing with you, no more replies. I really hope you're a troll because I truly can't believe anyone as absurd as you can even exist.

 

[PakLFC]

More video's can be provided if you want! These are some Indian so called Muslims in action

 

[PakLFC]

Links please. Anyone would be hard pressed to find anything that supports your view, it's absurd. You could start by reading Babur's own autobiography, which clearly mentions the beginning of the Mughal era.

Anyway, done arguing with you, no more replies. I really hope you're a troll because I truly can't believe anyone as absurd as you can even exist.

Save your silly immature taunts for those who care what people like you think! Obviously a kid like you who thinks Indian Muslim's are like us can be dismissed at the blink of an eye. Babur must have spoken to you only in dreams! I can not provide links for programmes seen years back however can understand why you are now running away! Also see the video where your lovely Indian Muslim's are worshipping Hindu Gods!

 

[hussain.r97]

Save your silly immature taunts for those who care what people like you think! Obviously a kid like you who thinks Indian Muslim's are like us can be dismissed at the blink of an eye. Babur must have spoken to you only in dreams! I can not provide links for programmes seen years back however can understand why you are now running away! Also see the video where your lovely Indian Muslim's are worshipping Hindu Gods!

This is the last thing I am posting.

https://www.amazon.com/Baburnama-Me...5094&s=books&sprefix=baburnama,aps,337&sr=1-1

Pick up a copy of this, and read Babur's own words. Of course, if you're to unintellectual to read a book, maybe you should leave these types of discussions to people who know more than you? Keep your own delusions and ignorance to yourself, don't spread it.

 

[PakLFC]

This is the last thing I am posting.

https://www.amazon.com/Baburnama-Me...5094&s=books&sprefix=baburnama,aps,337&sr=1-1

Pick up a copy of this, and read Babur's own words. Of course, if you're to unintellectual to read a book, maybe you should leave these types of discussions to people who know more than you? Keep your own delusions and ignorance to yourself, don't spread it.

You an intellectual who says this is my last mail then writes again or says Indian Muslims are just like us then gets humiliated with a video !))) Keep your nonsense to yourself kid, okay?? There are thousands of books out there to read with authors giving different opinions. I will write whatever I want within reason especially taking care of people like you! Stop making a fool of yourself.

 

[Danyaalr01]

Well you better get out and about iif you don't know that annoying lot often practise Hindu rituals. I have known many of them and rejected their friendship all the time even refusing to shake their hand or reply to their "Salaam". I can also tell you that many Pakistanis I know fell they same away about them. There are millions of their Muslim's who marry Hindu's or have illicit relations with them, start with their Bollywood stars. You are just an immature man who knows nothing, your contact with their Muslim's has most likely been through dreams or perhaps you like a Katrina Kaif that you are defending them so vigorously. Shows how incredibly dumb you are when you don't know Hindu-Muslim marriages in India are very common.

You call youself a defender of Islam, it is wajib (compulory) to reply to the Salam of anyone. That itself makes them a better muslim than you. You are a hypocrite. Islam teaches that we are not to decide who is a muslim and who is not or who is the better muslim, that is for God to decide and you should work on yourself rather than looking at the faults of others. Maybe start from the basics and reply to the Salams of everyone that says Salam to you. I know your type of muslim, thinking you're perfect and there are no better people than you and thinking it is your duty to tell people how to follow Islam.

 

[PakLFC]

You call youself a defender of Islam, it is wajib (compulory) to reply to the Salam of anyone. That itself makes them a better muslim than you. You are a hypocrite. Islam teaches that we are not to decide who is a muslim and who is not or who is the better muslim, that is for God to decide and you should work on yourself rather than looking at the faults of others. Maybe start from the basics and reply to the Salams of everyone that says Salam to you. I know your type of muslim, thinking you're perfect and there are no better people than you and thinking it is your duty to tell people how to follow Islam.

...says an ignorant man who is telling others what in Islam is permissible or not! As I say I don't consider those who celebrate the killing of Kashmiris as my people in faith. It is hypocrites like you who cry on Kashmir then love Indian Muslim's so much that you should move to Delhi instead of exposing your stupidity online. Feel free to do a Adnan Sami Khan coz real Pakistanis like me won't miss you for a minute. There are somethings that make a believing Muslim in to an apostate like celebrating non Muslim festivities or worshipping other God's besides Allah that many Indian Muslim's do. I am sure you will find many Pakistan hating Muslim's in Delhi whose hands you can shake until the end of time!

 

[Mesozoic]

Glad you agree. We got there in the end. I am here to lecture people like you.

No. Thanks.

I am happy with my IQ.

 

[PakLFC]

No. Thanks.

I am happy with my IQ.

What IQ??

 

[Napa]

Overthrown?

The Mughals became puppets of the Durranis, Marathas and the Sayyid brothers in the 18th century, but weren’t overthrown until 1857 by the British.

Also, the biggest setback for the Mughals was not caused by the Marathas or the Durranis but by Nader Shah and his Afsharid Persian army who sacked and looted Delhi in 1739.

The Maratha Army reached Delhi in 1719, about 20 years before Nader Shah.

In 1719, an army of Marathas marched to Delhi after defeating Sayyid Hussain Ali, the Mughal governor of Deccan, and deposed the Mughal emperor. The Mughal Emperors became puppets in the hands of their Maratha overlords from this point on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire

Auranzeb squandered the strength of the Mughal Empire in the Deccan War which raged for 27 years till his death in 1707.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal–Maratha_Wars

When Nader Shah invaded in 1739, the Mughal Empire was a shell of what it was 60 years ago.

It would be be accurate to say that the strength of the Mughal Empire was overthrown in its losing effort in the Deccan War. Yes, the Empire did continue after the Deccan War, but it was weak and incapable of defending itself.