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NEW DELHI: In a move likely to displease Pakistan, Bangladesh has sounded the first official call to induct countries with large Muslim populations, like India, as observers to the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, a club which has only Muslim majority countries as its members.

At a meeting of OIC foreign ministers in Dhaka on Saturday, Bangladesh minister Abul Hasan Mahmood Ali called for reforms in the organisation that can pave the way for countries like India, which are not Muslim majority, to get an observer seat in the OIC.

Though Pakistan is unlikely to welcome the proposal as it uses the forum to regularly target India, the list of likely candidates also includes its “all-weather” ally China and Bangladesh has also put forward the “inclusion” argument to say that large Muslim populations should not be denied a say at the OIC. Muslims in India constitute 10% of the global adherents of the faith.

Egypt, with a population of 92 million, is 5% of the global Muslim population. In terms of Muslims as a percentage of the global population, India ranks third after Indonesia and Pakistan. Ali said, “A number of countries, not OIC members, have a large number of Muslims as their citizens. The Muslims may be minority in those countries, but in terms of number they often exceed the total population of many OIC member countries.”

“There is a need to build bridges with those non-OIC countries so that a large number of Muslim populations do not remain untouched by the good work of OIC. That is why reforms and restructuring is critical for OIC,” the Bangladesh foreign minister said. Calling for reforms of the organisation to make it more contemporary, Ali said, “We need to rethink our work, method and process of functioning to cater to the needs of the current era and beyond.”
Bangladesh’s suggestion received support of the OIC secretary general. This is not the first time there has been a call to bring countries like India into the ambit of the OIC, but Pakistan has always held a veto position. In the past decade, however, India’s relations with the Islamic world have undergone aconsiderable transformation.

Former Saudi ruler Abdullah had, in 2006, proposed that India become an observer in OIC. But that did not go anywhere. In the 1990s, Pakistan has used the OIC to hit out at India on J&K. As recently as September 2017, India refuted egregious comments on J&K by Pakistan at the UN. Pakistan was speaking on behalf of the OIC.

“The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation has no locus standi on India’s internal affairs, we strongly advise the OIC to refrain from making such references in future,” India said. The OIC statements mean less these days because a number of OIC countries privately dissociate themselves from the grouping, considering it more of an irritant.
This has prevented India from engaging more meaningfully with the organisation even though India has fairly robust relations with most member states.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...y-in-oic-as-observer/articleshow/64044678.cms

What do members here feel about this? Should India with its 182 million Islamic population deserve to be part of this forum? If not, why not? What do countries stand to gain by virtue of membership of the OIC?
 
What do members here feel about this? Should India with its 182 million Islamic population deserve to be part of this forum? If not, why not? What do countries stand to gain by virtue of membership of the OIC?

India would have deserved to be an observer or even a member, if indian muslims were living happily, or at least as worse as everyone else.
 
India would have deserved to be an observer or even a member, if indian muslims were living happily, or at least as worse as everyone else.

My point was that India deserves to be a part of this forum on pure merit seeing the number of Muslims here alone - regardless of how they are living.
 
My point was that India deserves to be a part of this forum on pure merit seeing the number of Muslims here alone - regardless of how they are living.

Merit? So saudi deserves to be on a women rights forum given that half of their population is female, regardless of how they are living?
 
Merit? So saudi deserves to be on a women rights forum given that half of their population is female, regardless of how they are living?

Except there is no such thing as a womens' rights forum. Besides, being part of such an organization could ensure that such rights are in fact placed in relative prominence and improved upon, no?
 
Are there muslims in India?

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I would suggest disbanding world islamic forum as it achieves nothing
 
Due to the atrocities against Muslims by majority population in India and due to the complete lack of support from GOI in bringing security and prosperity to Muslims, India has no moral right to be a part of any global forum for Muslims.

I'm saying this as an Indian. It's a shame but it's the way it is.
 
Not a bad idea, but I think Pakistan and Bangladesh should form a joint representation with India, no need to have separate voices when all will have the same issues and concerns.
 
Thanks. Good to know there are Muslims in India.

Scheduled castes and tribes in India are the most marginalized communities historically. The poorest people who were forced to stick to cheap labour jobs in ancient caste system.

To put things into perspective Muslims in India are behind even these communities.

Numbers mean nothing. India has lots and lots of Muslims but they are overwhelmingly poor with little to no representation in high positions.
 
Numbers mean nothing. India has lots and lots of Muslims but they are overwhelmingly poor with little to no representation in high positions.

Sure, but where is the proof that the OIC is a club of only rich/prosperous Muslim nations?
 
Scheduled castes and tribes in India are the most marginalized communities historically. The poorest people who were forced to stick to cheap labour jobs in ancient caste system.

To put things into perspective Muslims in India are behind even these communities.

Numbers mean nothing. India has lots and lots of Muslims but they are overwhelmingly poor with little to no representation in high positions.

Please don't generalize, Muslims are doing perfectly fine in Tamil Nadu and Kerala and last I heard even we are Indians.
 
Scheduled castes and tribes in India are the most marginalized communities historically. The poorest people who were forced to stick to cheap labour jobs in ancient caste system.

To put things into perspective Muslims in India are behind even these communities.

Numbers mean nothing. India has lots and lots of Muslims but they are overwhelmingly poor with little to no representation in high positions.

Excellent post. Muslims are behind the tribals and dalits, that is why we see dalit superstars in bollywood, dalit captains. Also muslims were historically oppressed by the hindus, the foreign muslims and the british, but the dalits were the ruling class once upon a time.
 
Even today the typical upper caste will invite his muslim colleague for dinner..but not the tribal or dalit colleague. The upper caste muslim also does the same. For marriage it has be a syed, mirza or pathan, but never the ansaris and pasmandas.
 
India would have deserved to be an observer or even a member, if indian muslims were living happily, or at least as worse as everyone else.

What you Bangladeshis think about Kashmiris, are they living happily or they are not Muslims enough ?
 
The way Current GOI is treating Muslims in general and Kashmiris in particular, India deserves to be rewarded with this membership .
 
Due to the atrocities against Muslims by majority population in India and due to the complete lack of support from GOI in bringing security and prosperity to Muslims, India has no moral right to be a part of any global forum for Muslims.

I'm saying this as an Indian. It's a shame but it's the way it is.

You are LOVE Bhaijaan.
 
Why would India want observer status? On one hand they proudly kill and rape Muslims yet they want to be in this group too.

Such muddled thinking.
 
Why do you think so? How would the OIC change (negatively) if India were to attain membership?

Why does India want to involve itself in Muslim matters? It is none of it's business.
 
Why does India want to involve itself in Muslim matters? It is none of it's business.

By 2050 India will have the world's highest Muslim population according to a PEW research report.
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/intern...have-worlds-largest-muslim-population-by-2050

Besides I don't think India is posturing for membership, it is for observer status (no voting rights). Thailand and Russia are observer states and many others like China, Brazil, Kenya, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Serbia, South Africa have requested for observer status. OIC is a toothless organization and observer status isn't an important position, I think India wants it so that its foreign diplomats can spend more public $$$ on themselves. Indian bureaucrats are some of the most money hungry, comfort seeking leeches, won't be surprised if this whole thing is their initiative, must have fooled GOI about importance of this post ;-)
 
By 2050 India will have the world's highest Muslim population according to a PEW research report.
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/intern...have-worlds-largest-muslim-population-by-2050

Besides I don't think India is posturing for membership, it is for observer status (no voting rights). Thailand and Russia are observer states and many others like China, Brazil, Kenya, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Serbia, South Africa have requested for observer status. OIC is a toothless organization and observer status isn't an important position, I think India wants it so that its foreign diplomats can spend more public $$$ on themselves. Indian bureaucrats are some of the most money hungry, comfort seeking leeches, won't be surprised if this whole thing is their initiative, must have fooled GOI about importance of this post ;-)

Talk of 2050 when it arrives if you are still around by then:danish We don't need India observing Muslim matters anymore then Muslim's should be observing Hindu ones. The other countries you mentioned does not kill and oppress half as many Muslim's that India does. I do agree that OIC is ineffective and means nothing at all other then tea and biscuits:11: ISI has to get to work to keep the Indian diplomats out here:salute
 
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Pakistan miffed over Bangladesh's call to make India observer to Organisation of Islamic Cooperation

Pakistan blocked India’s original request to join on the ground that the membership rules stipulate that an aspiring member cannot have a conflict with an existing member.

NEW DELHI: Bangladesh’s call to induct India and other nations with large Muslim populations as observers to the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) has drawn a sharp retort from Pakistan.

Although India has over 10 per cent of the world’s Muslim population, Pakistan blocked India’s original request to join on the ground that the membership rules stipulate that an aspiring member cannot have a conflict with an existing member. Pakistan also uses the platform to try and internationalise the Kashmir issue, without much success.

After the 45th OIC Council of Foreign Ministers at Bangabandhu International Conference Centre in Dhaka on Sunday, Bangladesh’s minister of state for Foreign Affairs M Shahriar Alam said a proposal to include India as an observer was made as part of reforming the organisation.

“India is a big country with a huge Muslim population which is bigger than the total population of several Muslim countries,” he said.

In a statement on Sunday evening, the Pakistan Foreign Ministry pointed out that “just before conclusion of the Conference, the host country circulated text of Dhaka Declaration. It only reflected the views of the host country.”

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...anisation-of-islamic-cooperation-1811708.html
 
Why not Israel too, they have larger percentage of Mulims compared to India . They are also treating Muslims like India is treating Kashmiris. Lets have both India and Israel in OIC, why not.
 
Why not Israel too, they have larger percentage of Mulims compared to India . They are also treating Muslims like India is treating Kashmiris. Lets have both India and Israel in OIC, why not.

Indeed. Wouldn't the Muslims of India and Israel fare better being part of the OIC than outside of it?
 
Indeed. Wouldn't the Muslims of India and Israel fare better being part of the OIC than outside of it?

OIC is the most useless organization there is.... If India's poodle, Bangladesh, wants mama to be there it makes absolutely no difference to the organization or its members. Heck might as well have US, UK, Israel, Russia, China in the OIC. Let me reiterate, its a useless organization.
 
OIC is the most useless organization there is.... If India's poodle, Bangladesh, wants mama to be there it makes absolutely no difference to the organization or its members. Heck might as well have US, UK, Israel, Russia, China in the OIC. Let me reiterate, its a useless organization.

Fine, then your point is that it makes no difference whether India is or isn't part of the OIC.

Why the fierce opposition on the part of Pakistan since 1967 then? 182 million is no joke.
 
bangladesh is in full boot-licking mood now a days.
OIC is a dud. i say give india full membership status of it.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi to skip OIC meet over India’s attendance<a href="https://t.co/cMTAYbBNZH">https://t.co/cMTAYbBNZH</a> <a href="https://t.co/bizAWPXRuK">pic.twitter.com/bizAWPXRuK</a></p>— Hindustan Times (@htTweets) <a href="https://twitter.com/htTweets/status/1101368653516161024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
What do members here feel about this? Should India with its 182 million Islamic population deserve to be part of this forum? If not, why not? What do countries stand to gain by virtue of membership of the OIC?

I like the concept, but it's akin to McDonalds looking after your cattle.

If the Subcontinents wants peace, then we must learn from the Europeans who after 2 World Wars realized that war is pointless. What did they do? Open borders, develop free trade, and more importantly, created a single currency.
 
BD is practically an Indian colony, India created BD for this very reason. Otherwise how come a country with its PM who was behind killing of three thousand Gujrati Muslims is allowed to participate in OIC.
 
I would support this but only if Indian Muslims are at the forefront of this move. Some middle-aged lady with a red dot on her head who doesn't know the first thing about Islam has no place in the OIC.

People should not forget that India was a Muslim-ruled state for more than 800 years.
 
I would support this but only if Indian Muslims are at the forefront of this move. Some middle-aged lady with a red dot on her head who doesn't know the first thing about Islam has no place in the OIC.

People should not forget that India was a Muslim-ruled state for more than 800 years.

India was not a state. Large swathes of what make modern India were ruled by Muslim empires but India as an entity was an artificial construction by the British for admisitratice purposes
 
What do members here feel about this? Should India with its 182 million Islamic population deserve to be part of this forum? If not, why not? What do countries stand to gain by virtue of membership of the OIC?

Why would India want to be part of such a useless organisation in the first place? In its entire existence OIC has not achieved one thing Of note
 
India was not a state. Large swathes of what make modern India were ruled by Muslim empires but India as an entity was an artificial construction by the British for admisitratice purposes

I obviously did not mean state in the modern context of the word.
 
Why would India want to be part of such a useless organisation in the first place? In its entire existence OIC has not achieved one thing Of note

Maybe they feel they can sign up and make a difference?
 
Accept it or not but visiting OIC is a diplomatic win of India. I think what Zardari was saying is right. Pakistan should have visit rather left the ground vacant for India. Pakistan also need to understand that this is the world of business. 200 million peoples can not give what 1300 million peoples can give. Pak shouldn't look on what world is giving to India they should always see their part pie. Terms like brother Islamic country, honey sweet friendship, skier than Himalaya are nothing more than the hanky panky.
 
Pakistan should change its diplomatic strategies. Ideology should be back in wallet and agenda should be in hand.
 
i'd rather have pakistan pull out of the OIC. making india part of the OIC. may as well have isreal as an observer.
 
Nothing, just meetings and all.

That's the online version, I meant the actual version. Surely they might do something offer aid to some countries, work on trade contracts, or something?

Surely they are not completely useless as online posters here say?
 
You are LOVE Bhaijaan.

Thanks.

It's a constant reminder to myself daily to speak nothing but my heart out. Sometimes it hurts some small hearted people's ego but i am ok with that for as long as i stay in solidarity with the marginalized or true needy.
 
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