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At least two people were wounded in a knife attack Friday near the former offices of the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris, police said Friday. A suspect has been arrested

Two victims were in a critical condition, the Paris police department said.

Police said one suspect had been detained after the attack, which occurred as the trial was underway for the alleged accomplices of the 2015 Charlie Hebdo attack.

A Paris police official said that while authorities initially thought two attackers were involved, they now believe it was only one person, who was detained near the Place de la Bastille in eastern Paris.

Police initially announced that four people were wounded in the attack, but the official told The Associated Press that there are in fact only two confirmed wounded. Police could not explain the discrepancies.

“A serious event has taken place in Paris,” said Prime Minister Jean Castex, who was addressing reporters when the attack occured and cut short a visit to northern Paris to head instead to the crisis centre of the interior ministry.

“Four people have been wounded and it seems that two are in a serious condition,” he said at that time.

The prime minister added the attack had taken place “in front of” the weekly’s former offices in the 11th district of central Paris. The magazine’s current address is kept secret for security reasons.

The stabbing came as a trial was underway in the capital for alleged accomplices of the authors of the January 2015 attack on Charlie Hebdo.

Twelve people, including some of France’s most celebrated cartoonists, were killed in the attack by brothers Said and Cherif Kouachi and claimed by a branch of Al Qaeda.

A female police officer was killed a day later, followed the next day by the killing of four men in a hostage-taking at a Jewish supermarket by gunman Amedy Coulibaly.

The 14 defendants stand accused of having aided and abetted the perpetrators of the 2015 attacks, who were themselves killed in the wake of the massacres.

The magazine, defiant as ever, had marked the start of the trial by republishing hugely controversial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that had angered Muslims around the world.

Al-Qaeda then threatened Charlie Hebdo with a repeat of the 2015 massacre of its staff.

The trial in Paris had resumed Friday after a suspect’s coronavirus test came back negative.

The hearing for the fourteen suspects, which opened on September 2, was postponed Thursday after Nezar Mickael Pastor Alwatik fell ill in the stand.

His lawyer Marie Dose said her client had suffered from “a lot of fever, coughing, vomiting and headaches”.

He was back in the box on Friday, after the presiding judge informed defence and prosecution lawyers by SMS late Thursday that the test results allowed for the trial to go ahead.

https://www.france24.com/en/2020092...do-s-former-office-in-paris-suspects-at-large
 
Two hurt in stabbing near former Charlie Hebdo office

Two people have been seriously hurt in a knife attack in Paris near the former offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, officials say.

A suspect has been detained in the nearby Bastille area. A second suspect has also been arrested, reports say.

Anti-terrorism police have taken over the investigation.

A security cordon has been set up in the 11th arrondissement in eastern Paris. The public were told to avoid the area.

A blade - described as a machete or a meat cleaver - was recovered at the scene of the attack near the Boulevard Richard Lenoir.

One of the arrested suspects was detained with blood on his clothing, a police source told the BBC.

Initial reports said that four people had been wounded.

The attack comes as a high-profile trial is under way in Paris of 14 people accused of helping two jihadists carry out the 2015 attack on Charlie Hebdo, in which 12 people were killed.

The two people wounded were staff at a TV production company, one of their colleagues told AFP news agency.

"Two colleagues were smoking a cigarette outside the building, in the street. I heard shouting. I went to the window and saw one of my colleagues, covered in blood, being chased by a man with a machete in the street," another member of staff at the Premières Lignes production firm said.

The firm has offices in the Rue Nicolas Appert, a side street off Boulevard Richard Lenoir where the former Charlie Hebdo offices are located.

The satirical magazine has since moved to a secret location.

Charlie Hebdo has marked the start of the trial by reprinting controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked protests in several Muslim countries.

The defendants in the trial are also accused of helping another jihadist carry out a related attack in which he shot dead a policewoman, then attacked a Jewish store, killing four people.

The 17 victims were killed over a period of three days. All three attackers were killed by police. The killings marked the beginning of a wave of jihadist attacks across France that left more than 250 people dead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54296638
 
French terrorism authorities are investigating a knife attack that wounded two journalists near the former offices of the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

Emergency services were called to the scene in Rue Nicolas Appert, in the 11th arrondissement and near the Richard Lenoir Metro station, at around 11.40am local time.
 
Seven people have been detained in connection with an attack outside the former offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris, officials say.

A man armed with a meat cleaver wounded two people in the attack on Friday.

The main suspect, identified as an 18-year-old man of Pakistani origin, was arrested near the scene. Police said six others were in custody and being questioned.


The attack is being treated as a terrorist incident.

Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin said it was "clearly an act of Islamist terrorism". He said police had underestimated the threat level in the area.

The attack came as a high-profile trial was under way of 14 people accused of helping two jihadists carry out the 2015 attack on Charlie Hebdo, in which 12 people were killed.

Charlie Hebdo vacated its offices after the 2015 attack, and the building is now used by a television production company.

The two victims of Friday's attack have not been officially named but police said they were a man and woman who worked at the production company.

Prime Minister Jean Castex told reporters at the scene - near Boulevard Richard-Lenoir - that their lives were not in danger.

What do officials say happened?

In an interview with state broadcaster France 2 late on Friday, Mr Darmanin described the stabbing as "a new bloody attack against our country, against journalists".

"It's the street where Charlie Hebdo used to be. This is the way the Islamist terrorists operate," the interior minister said.

He said he had ordered security to be stepped up around synagogues this weekend for Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

The main suspect has not been named, but Mr Darmanin said he arrived in the country three years ago "as an isolated minor" of Pakistani nationality.

The minister added that the suspect was not known for being radicalised, but had a previous arrest for carrying a screwdriver - and gave no details.

Colleagues of the victims said they had been outside the Premieres Lignes news production agency smoking a cigarette when they were attacked.

The firm has offices Rue Nicolas Appert, a street off Boulevard Richard-Lenoir where Charlie Hebdo's offices used to be located. A mural honouring those killed in the January 2015 attack is nearby.

"I went to the window and saw a colleague, bloodied, being chased by a man with a machete," one employee, who asked not to be named, said.

"They were both very badly wounded," Paul Moreira, the founder and co-head of Premieres Lignes, told AFP news agency.

Police quickly sealed off the area and a blade - described as a machete or a meat cleaver - was recovered nearby.

The main suspect was arrested on the nearby Place de la Bastille. Shortly afterwards a 33-year-old Algerian national was also taken into custody over possible links to the attack.

Five others - born between 1983 and 1996 and said to be of Pakistani origin - were later detained during the search of property north of Paris believed to be the home of the main suspect, officials say.

In a tweet, Charlie Hebdo expressed its "support and solidarity with its former neighbours... and the people affected by this odious attack".

What about the new trial?

Charlie Hebdo marked the start of the trial earlier this month by reprinting its controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). The original cartoons had sparked anger and protests in several Muslim majority countries.

In response to the reprinting, the militant group al-Qaeda - which claimed the 2015 attack - renewed its threat against the magazine.

The magazine's head of human resources said earlier this week that she had moved out of her home after receiving death threats.

The defendants are also accused of helping another jihadist carry out related attacks, killing four people.

The 17 victims were killed over a period of three days. All three attackers were killed by police.

The killings marked the beginning of a wave of jihadist attacks across France that left more than 250 people dead.

What happened in 2015?

On 7 January that year, two French Muslim gunmen - brothers Chérif and Saïd Kouachi - stormed the Charlie Hebdo offices Rue Nicolas-Appert before opening fire on its staff.

The editor, Stéphane Charbonnier, better known as Charb, was among four celebrated cartoonists who were killed.

The gunmen were eventually killed by security forces after a manhunt. Their victims were eight journalists, two police officers, a caretaker and a visitor.

In a related attack just days later, jihadist gunman Amedy Coulibaly killed three customers and an employee in a hostage siege at the Hyper Cacher Jewish supermarket in the east of Paris.

He had earlier shot dead a policewoman in the city.

Security forces eventually stormed the supermarket before killing him and freeing the remaining hostages.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54302337
 
Paris knife attacker suspect says he wanted to go after Charlie Hebdo

PARIS (Reuters) - The man believed to have attacked and wounded two people with a meat cleaver on Friday is cooperating with the police and said he had targeted weekly satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, a police source told Reuters.

The attack took place in front of a building where Islamist militants gunned down employees of Charlie Hebdo in 2015 because of the republication of cartoons depicting Prophet Mohammad.

It coincided with the start this month of the trial of 14 alleged accomplices in the Charlie Hebdo attack. The gunmen behind that attack killed 12 people.

A judicial source said the suspect’s custody had been extended on Saturday morning. According to French law, he faces a formal investigation at the end of the process.

A suspected accomplice of the attacker was released in the early hours of Saturday while another person close to the suspected attacker and who could had been his former roommate in a hotel north of Paris has been arrested.

By midday Saturday, seven people remained in custody including the suspected attacker.

Police quickly detained the man suspected of carrying out the attack next to the steps of an opera house about 500 metres away.

The suspected attacker was from Pakistan and arrived in France three years ago as an unaccompanied minor, Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said.

A second suspect was detained moments after the attack and prosecutors were trying to establish his relation to the attacker. He was released free of charge, the source said.

Charlie Hebdo vacated its offices after the 2015 attack and is now in a secret location. The building is now used by a television production company.

Two of the production company’s staff, a man and a woman, were in the street having a cigarette break when they were attacked, according to prosecutors and a colleague of the victims.

After the 2015 attack on Charlie Hebdo, investigators said the militants had wanted to avenge the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad in the magazine. Charlie Hebdo republished the cartoons on the eve of the trial.

Al-Qaeda, the militant Islamist group that claimed responsibility for the 2015 attack, threatened to attack Charlie Hebdo again after it republished the cartoons.

France has experienced a wave of attacks by Islamist militants in the past few years. Bombings and shootings in November 2015 at the Bataclan theatre and sites around Paris killed 130 people, and in July 2016 an Islamist militant drove a truck through a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, killing 86.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...anted-to-go-after-charlie-hebdo-idUSKBN26H0D9
 
A man suspected of stabbing two people with a meat cleaver in Paris has admitted to deliberately targeting the former offices of the satirical Charlie Hebdo magazine, French media report.

The man, an 18-year-old born in Pakistan, reportedly linked his actions to the magazine's recent republication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

Charlie Hebdo did this as a trial over the 2015 Islamist attack on the magazine which killed 12 people began.

The magazine's location is now secret.

The building in the French capital's 11th district which used to house Charlie Hebdo's offices is now used by a television production company.

But the attacker apparently believed the magazine's offices were still there, a source close to the investigation told the AFP news agency, confirming other French media reports.

The two victims of Friday's attack have not been officially named but police said they were a man and woman who worked at the production company.

Prime Minister Jean Castex told reporters at the scene - near Boulevard Richard-Lenoir - that their lives were not in danger.
 
JaDed said:
In that logic do you think Indian Americans are ideal?
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The poster that i responded to stated and let me quote "Pakistanis jaha bhi jatay hai, mull ka naam roshan kartay hai." So just was pointing that they have done decently in the US.

Indians have done better, and kudos to them.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
The poster that i responded to stated and let me quote "Pakistanis jaha bhi jatay hai, mull ka naam roshan kartay hai." So just was pointing that they have done decently in the US.

Indians have done better, and kudos to them.
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American Pakistanis are totally different kettle of fish, you cant compare them to Pakistanis from countries like Europe and other places. American Pakistanis are quite successful, they don't bury their heads in sand and involve themselves in Islamic extremism, terrorism etc, well if they did, it is very rare unlike say the UK....
 
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Gharib Aadmi said:
The poster that i responded to stated and let me quote "Pakistanis jaha bhi jatay hai, mull ka naam roshan kartay hai." So just was pointing that they have done decently in the US.

Indians have done better, and kudos to them.
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Laughable. Don’t bring exceptional cases into the discussion.
 
Totally agree with [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION]
 
saeedhk said:
Pakistanis jaha bhi jatay hai, mull ka naam roshan kartay hai.
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What's the point of engaging in racism and bigotry, most terrorists in France and continental Europe aren't even Pakistani. What I like about western people is that don't believe in collective shaming or collective guilt, this guy is just a terrorist and him being of Pakistani origin has no bearing on his actions. I'd expect the veteran members of this forum to be more mature.
 
Romali_rotti said:
American Pakistanis are totally different kettle of fish, you cant compare them to Pakistanis from countries like Europe and other places. American Pakistanis are quite successful, they don't bury their heads in sand and involve themselves in Islamic extremism, terrorism etc, well if they did, it is very rare unlike say the UK....
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Pakistanis in mainland Europe are actually surprisingly well integrated, I remember reading somewhere that Pakistanis in Germany, Spain and Norway are really successful. People generalize all Pakistani diasporas just cause of a some Pakistani communities in northern England who were exploited for their labor by the British and their kids were raised in the least developed parts of England.
 
ahmedzee said:
Two exceptionally illiterate and confused people right here. Well done in generalizing Pakistanis. I can safely say, there might be exception but majority Pakistanis in the world are definitely not like you two.
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Pakistanis will generalize everyone else but when you generalize them, they start complaining.

Apparently it is okay if you generalize Indians, Afghanis, Americans, British etc. but please don’t generalize Pakistanis because they are special people who have been sent from the heavens.

There is a reason why we have the reputation that we have and why we have no credibility. A country is nothing without its people. They are the ones who build reputation and we know what our reputation is.
 
ahmedzee said:
Two exceptionally illiterate and confused people right here. Well done in generalizing Pakistanis. I can safely say, there might be exception but majority Pakistanis in the world are definitely not like you two.
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We must suffer these fools with patience. Like the mighty Ertugrul, we should realise that there will always be those among our midst that will sell their soul to the enemy who seeks to sow discord in the hearts of the believer with their wicked lies. They are like the sneaky Wazir of Aleppo, their honour has been traded for a few shiny coins from the purse of the infidels, and what a poor transaction it will be in the long run!
 
Sad to see the name of a Pakistani on the list. We are jazbati people and a lot of the Pakistani's in Europe are obviously illegal immigrants and not educated enough but most tend to mind their own business and just continue earning money. Cases like this are rare but sad nonetheless.
 
No news on the origins of the other 6 suspects?

7 suspects, 2 knife wounds, but the media is focused on origin of 1 suspect.

Usual media drill folks! Move along.
 
Giannis said:
What's the point of engaging in racism and bigotry, most terrorists in France and continental Europe aren't even Pakistani. What I like about western people is that don't believe in collective shaming or collective guilt, this guy is just a terrorist and him being of Pakistani origin has no bearing on his actions. I'd expect the veteran members of this forum to be more mature.
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There is a point in bringing the race of such perpetrators to the forefront. Going by your logic, why do Pakistanis go into a trance- in the very rarest occasion - when a foreign-based Pakistani comes into the news for good reasons. For instance, why did Pakistanis salivated recently when Dr Mavalvala was commended for her work in science?
 
Giannis said:
Are you dumb? So the exceptional case of a Pakistani being caught in terrorism in France is enough to generalize all Pakistanis but a half a million Pakistanis in America that are among the highest earners here is an "exceptional case". I knew people in Hong Kong were known for racism and your bigotry proves it.
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Exceptional case? Why is that there is always a Pakistani link in major terror attacks? 7/7 attacks, Times Square plot, Orlando shooting, and numerous others.

Pakistanis are known all over the world for their dishonesty. In the UK, there are known for welfare fraud - many claim social benefits and drive a taxi too! There are grooming gangs too in the UK. In HK, Pakistanis are known for their bogus workplace injury claims.

Wherever you go, Pakistanis are notorious! There is no second opinion about this. If Pakistanis were so sachay and achay, why do we have the second worst passport?
 
Wherever we go, we create problems and controversies and then we are singled out, we play the victim card and whine about discrimination.
 
saeedhk said:
Exceptional case? Why is that there is always a Pakistani link in major terror attacks? 7/7 attacks, Times Square plot, Orlando shooting, and numerous others.
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This is a claim some Indians make, and I will give you the same response that I give them. In the last 10 odd years, the biggest Islamic terrorist group by far has been ISIS, and Pakistan or Pakistanis have almost never been linked to ISIS. For your claim to be true, we have to go back to 2005-2010 period, when indeed a lot of terrorist attacks were linked to Pakistan or a Pakistani. Since then, it has been quite rare to see
 
MenInG said:
More generalisations and shameful ones.
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Bro I congratulate you on your patience. Every sentence uttered by these people exposes their agenda and hatred for the nation of Pakistan and it's people. They are like the guest who comes to your home and purposely spills tea on the carpet while you go to fetch the samosas and biscuits. This a an analogy of how they use these forums!
 
ahsan17 said:
This is a claim some Indians make, and I will give you the same response that I give them. In the last 10 odd years, the biggest Islamic terrorist group by far has been ISIS, and Pakistan or Pakistanis have almost never been linked to ISIS. For your claim to be true, we have to go back to 2005-2010 period, when indeed a lot of terrorist attacks were linked to Pakistan or a Pakistani. Since then, it has been quite rare to see
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Think last year's London Bridge attacker was also of Pakistani origin.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...st-usman-khan-buried-family-village-pakistan/
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
We must suffer these fools with patience. Like the mighty Ertugrul, we should realise that there will always be those among our midst that will sell their soul to the enemy who seeks to sow discord in the hearts of the believer with their wicked lies. They are like the sneaky Wazir of Aleppo, their honour has been traded for a few shiny coins from the purse of the infidels, and what a poor transaction it will be in the long run!
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I agree - the level of hate for Pakistan is incredible - best to ignore them.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
The poster that i responded to stated and let me quote "Pakistanis jaha bhi jatay hai, mull ka naam roshan kartay hai." So just was pointing that they have done decently in the US.

Indians have done better, and kudos to them.
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That doesn't paint the entire picture of Indian Americans but ok.. my point was that.
 
Any background on the suspect? Is it the usual one of the following;
1) Failed at studies/life. Nothing better to do so joined some extremist group.
2) Poor background, bought out by a group to commit the act.
 
Some information about the ungrateful Pakistani terrorist:

He claimed asylum when he was 15 years old - telling French immigration that he faced sexual abuse in a religious school in his neighborhood in Mandi Bahauddin. He told authorities that the abuse became unbearable after his older colleagues also started sexually abusing him. He then fled Pakistan and came to France. He also receives a monthly stipend from the French government.

Fruits of unchecked illegal immigration. Europe is paying for the mistakes it made by letting such people into their countries.
 
Paris knife attack suspect wanted to avenge Prophet cartoons: video

PARIS/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - French police are studying a video in which the man suspected of attacking people with a meat cleaver on Friday says he will commit an act of “resistance” after the republication of cartoons mocking the Prophet Mohammad in a satirical magazine.

The suspect, who is from Pakistan, was arrested soon after two people were wounded in front of the old offices of the Charlie Hebdo magazine. Officials said his clothes were spattered in blood.

The video was found on the suspect’s mobile phone, French media reported. Reuters could not independently authenticate the video recording. A police source confirmed a video was being examined.

In the video, the suspect identifies himself as Zeheer Hassan Mehmood and says he came from Mandi Bahauddin in Punjab province. Starting to sob, he then recites poetry praising the Prophet Mohammad.

“If I’m sounding emotional, let me explain: here, in France, the caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad were made,” he says in Urdu. “I am going to do (an act of) resistance today, Sept. 25.”

Mehmood’s father praised his son.

“My heart is filled with happiness,” Arshad Mehmood told the online news site Naya Pakistan from the family home. “I can sacrifice all my five sons to protect the Prophet’s honour.”

“He called us ... and said that the God’s Prophet had chosen him, and assigned him to kill the blasphemers.”

The cartoons were first published by Charlie Hebdo in 2006 and spurred Islamist militants to target the magazine’s office in 2015 in an attack that left 12 people dead and was claimed by al Qaeda.

The weekly, which moved to a secret location after the attack, republished the cartoons earlier this month to mark the beginning of the trial of 14 people with alleged links to the Charlie Hebdo killers.

For Muslims, any depiction of the Prophet is blasphemous.

Wearing a long tunic, the suspect said he was spiritually guided by Ilyas Qadri. Qadri is a Sunni cleric and the founder of Dawat-e-Islami, a non-violent organisation spread across the globe.

Qadri says a person who commits blasphemy should be handed in to police, but if another individual were driven by their emotions to kill the blasphemer, the law should not apply.

Dawat-e-Islami did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...o-avenge-prophet-cartoons-video-idUSKBN26J1O5
 
saeedhk said:
Exceptional case? Why is that there is always a Pakistani link in major terror attacks? 7/7 attacks, Times Square plot, Orlando shooting, and numerous others.

Pakistanis are known all over the world for their dishonesty. In the UK, there are known for welfare fraud - many claim social benefits and drive a taxi too! There are grooming gangs too in the UK. In HK, Pakistanis are known for their bogus workplace injury claims.

Wherever you go, Pakistanis are notorious! There is no second opinion about this. If Pakistanis were so sachay and achay, why do we have the second worst passport?
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As a UK born and bred Pakistani, I can confirm this is sadly true. A large number of younger Pakistanis are also involved in selling drugs.

I should also add though, it's mostly the Mirpuris who have given UK based Pakistanis a bad name.
 
topspin said:
As a UK born and bred Pakistani, I can confirm this is sadly true. A large number of younger Pakistanis are also involved in selling drugs.

I should also add though, it's mostly the Mirpuris who have given UK based Pakistanis a bad name.
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I have lived in the UK too and Pakistanis are massively involved in narcotics and welfare fraud!
 
saeedhk said:
I have lived in the UK too and Pakistanis are massively involved in narcotics and welfare fraud!
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I have lived in Britain ALL my life, and confirm that Pakistanis are not massively involved in narcotics and welfare fraud. These are in fact Indians who pass themselves off as Pakistani which is made evident by their names like Jagga which is slang for Jagjit!
 
saeedhk said:
I have lived in the UK too and Pakistanis are massively involved in narcotics and welfare fraud!
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We're very lucky the far right don't use this against us.

There are so many of taxi drivers and self employed Pakistanis here who have underdeclared their income and to top it all off, claim benefits to give themselves a nice reliable income stream via scamming the government.

Fortunately, my dad told me about this from a very young age where he went on to mention about the importance of earning halal and living honestly. Whilst I was studying for GCSEs, A Levels and my undergrad at uni, he would remind me that "I don't want you to be like them".

It's time Pakistanis accept their faults and shortcomings. I'm very disappointed to see certain posters here who turn defensive whenever there is a criticism made towards Pakistanis. Make no mistake they are part of the problem.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I have lived in Britain ALL my life, and confirm that Pakistanis are not massively involved in narcotics and welfare fraud. These are in fact Indians who pass themselves off as Pakistani which is made evident by their names like Jagga which is slang for Jagjit!
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Why would Indians be more involved in narcotics and welfare fraud when they are the richest and most educated demographic group of the UK?
 
Quite disappointing to see posters using one terrorist incident involving a single man of Pakistani origin, using this as a pretext to launch attacks on Pakistanis in general. The usual suspects are very active, but some gullible posters of relatively decent standards are being duped into their games.

I would suggest that if you want to have a generalised rant about Pakistanis maybe open a thread so this one can be left do discuss this heinous crime.
 
topspin said:
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

If you genuinely believe that the supply of drugs is not a problem among UK Pakistanis, here's an eye opener for you:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p084v8vq/hometown-a-killing-update-1-turf-war
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I am aware that there are some Pakistanis involved in the drug trade, just as there are many who aren't. By all means you can use this thread to make complaints about the criminal Pakistanis, but to be fair, then we should also be able to make generalised comments about those Pakistanis who aren't. This way we ge a balanced viewpoint, if not really that relevant to this thread in particular.
 
topspin said:
We're very lucky the far right don't use this against us.

There are so many of taxi drivers and self employed Pakistanis here who have underdeclared their income and to top it all off, claim benefits to give themselves a nice reliable income stream via scamming the government.

Fortunately, my dad told me about this from a very young age where he went on to mention about the importance of earning halal and living honestly. Whilst I was studying for GCSEs, A Levels and my undergrad at uni, he would remind me that "I don't want you to be like them".

It's time Pakistanis accept their faults and shortcomings. I'm very disappointed to see certain posters here who turn defensive whenever there is a criticism made towards Pakistanis. Make no mistake they are part of the problem.
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Pakistanis are deluded people. Never expect them to admit their shortcomings!
 
topspin said:
We're very lucky the far right don't use this against us.

There are so many of taxi drivers and self employed Pakistanis here who have underdeclared their income and to top it all off, claim benefits to give themselves a nice reliable income stream via scamming the government.

Fortunately, my dad told me about this from a very young age where he went on to mention about the importance of earning halal and living honestly. Whilst I was studying for GCSEs, A Levels and my undergrad at uni, he would remind me that "I don't want you to be like them".

It's time Pakistanis accept their faults and shortcomings. I'm very disappointed to see certain posters here who turn defensive whenever there is a criticism made towards Pakistanis. Make no mistake they are part of the problem.
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Are Pakistanis in UK the only ones who abuse benefits? Why cant one criticize the people who commit welfare fraud without mentioning their race/ethnicity?

I live in the US, where Pakistanis are relatively successful. If Pakistanis bring up the race/ethncity of groups in US who are abusing benefits, they will rightfully be labeled as racists. So the same should apply to UK.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Quite disappointing to see posters using one terrorist incident involving a single man of Pakistani origin, using this as a pretext to launch attacks on Pakistanis in general. The usual suspects are very active, but some gullible posters of relatively decent standards are being duped into their games.

I would suggest that if you want to have a generalised rant about Pakistanis maybe open a thread so this one can be left do discuss this heinous crime.
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Hatred is their agenda, simple as that. They would show one Pakistani doing something obviously wrong, but no Pakistani doing something good. Generalizing a nation of 220M and ethnicity of over 350M is nothing uncommon from the likes of Mamoon, Major or Saeedhk. Let them say what they want. We know who Pakistanis are in general. They would never highlight what good Pakistanis are doing. Like here, just few months ago I saw a restaurant, a Pakistani owner, offering free food to those who are hungry, no questions asked. In Canada out of all places. I have seen so much other good as well from so many Pakistanis. But media that these fools follow will never highlight that. If we want to generalize, why not generalize based on the good Pakistanis are doing, which rightfully is in a massive majority.

There are bad apples in every society, and that is what these morons need to understand.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Are Pakistanis in UK the only ones who abuse benefits? Why cant one criticize the people who commit welfare fraud without mentioning their race/ethnicity?

I live in the US, where Pakistanis are relatively successful. If Pakistanis bring up the race/ethncity of groups in US who are abusing benefits, they will rightfully be labeled as racists. So the same should apply to UK.
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No the same should not apply because unlike our US counterparts, we're nowhere near as successful.

UK Pakistanis are less prosperous and less educated than the average Brit, whereas US Pakistanis on the other hand are fare more prosperous and educated than the average American.

There is a far higher proportion of Pakistanis here in the UK who sell drugs and commit welfare fraud in self-employed roles (such as those who drive taxis).

The harsh reality we lag behind our US counterparts by a mile.

I have met US based Pakistanis and been to America many times to safely say, you're blessed to be in the US.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Are Pakistanis in UK the only ones who abuse benefits? Why cant one criticize the people who commit welfare fraud without mentioning their race/ethnicity?
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Nope. Loads of white and black people are also involved in drugs and also abuse the benefits systems, but white people would just call them cheats, they wouldn't label their own race as a generalisation because that would be racist. Black people used to get this sort of racial stereotyping thrown at them, but it's no longer seen as acceptable in the modern world.
 
Hello.

This thread is about attack on Hebdo.

Too many generalizations being thrown around. Stop this nonsense.
 
saeedhk said:
Some information about the ungrateful Pakistani terrorist:

He claimed asylum when he was 15 years old - telling French immigration that he faced sexual abuse in a religious school in his neighborhood in Mandi Bahauddin. He told authorities that the abuse became unbearable after his older colleagues also started sexually abusing him. He then fled Pakistan and came to France. He also receives a monthly stipend from the French government.

Fruits of unchecked illegal immigration. Europe is paying for the mistakes it made by letting such people into their countries.
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This trauma might have led to him becoming a terrorist to somehow transfer that pain onto the world (this episode could have perfectly explained a mass shooter)

Freedom, unchecked immigration is one of the things that makes western Europe keep it's population from declining which helps them maintain thier living standards

Same cant be said about Japan and in a couple of decades the cammunist LaLa land you live in it would become stagnant, decline and than go into obsecirity... all because they'll follow your advice of strict immigration policy
 
The father of Ali Hassan, a young man who stabbed two persons in an attack using a meat cleaver outside the former Paris office of the controversial Charlie Hebdo magazine last week, has said he is “proud” of his son. In an interview to the web-based channel Naya Pakistan, the father, whose name is not revealed, said his son has “done a great job” and he is “very happy” about the attack.

The French government had condemned the stabbing on Friday outside the former office of the satirical magazine as an act of “Islamist terrorism”.

The man, earlier identified as Ali Hassan, seriously injured two employees of TV production agency Premieres Lignes, whose offices are in the same city centre block that used to house the magazine Charlie Hebdo. The magazine had shifted out after the January 2015 attacks on Charlie Hebdo, a policewoman and a Jewish supermarket that left 17 people dead. The magazine’s current address is kept secret for security reasons, AFP reported.

On Monday, the news agency said the man, who had declared earlier in a two-minute video that he was going to target the magazine, identified himself as Zaheer Hassan Mehmood.

Ali Hassan aka Zaheer Hassan Mehmood is accused of stabbing two persons believed to be working with the magazine. Friday’s attack came three weeks into a trial in Paris of suspected accomplices of the culprits in the January 2015 attacks on Charlie Hebdo, a policewoman and a Jewish supermarket that left 17 people dead, news agency Reuters said.

Back in Pakistan, the attacker’s father appealed to the Imran Khan government and other Islamic countries to help bring his son home. “I want to appeal to the Pakistan government to bring my son home. He has done service in the cause of Islam and we are a Muslim country,” he told the Pakistani channel .

Ali Hassan, his father said, “was a good son” who prayed regularly and attended Milad twice a year. He said that Ali Hassan was a follower of Muhammad Ilyas Qadri, a Pakistani Sunni Muslim scholar and founder of the Dawat-e-Islami organisation, which has established a chain of madrasas across Pakistan and abroad.

Ali Hassan’s father, a farmer, lives in the small town of Mandi Bahauddin in Punjab. He said that Ali Hassan had gone to France two years ago. Of his five sons, three are abroad - two in France and one in Italy. “My son has the heart of a lion,” he told his interviewer.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...-2-in-paris/story-4SlYyadJihMniXNBp6ENbI.html
 
MenInG said:
The father of Ali Hassan, a young man who stabbed two persons in an attack using a meat cleaver outside the former Paris office of the controversial Charlie Hebdo magazine last week, has said he is “proud” of his son. In an interview to the web-based channel Naya Pakistan, the father, whose name is not revealed, said his son has “done a great job” and he is “very happy” about the attack.

The French government had condemned the stabbing on Friday outside the former office of the satirical magazine as an act of “Islamist terrorism”.

The man, earlier identified as Ali Hassan, seriously injured two employees of TV production agency Premieres Lignes, whose offices are in the same city centre block that used to house the magazine Charlie Hebdo. The magazine had shifted out after the January 2015 attacks on Charlie Hebdo, a policewoman and a Jewish supermarket that left 17 people dead. The magazine’s current address is kept secret for security reasons, AFP reported.

On Monday, the news agency said the man, who had declared earlier in a two-minute video that he was going to target the magazine, identified himself as Zaheer Hassan Mehmood.

Ali Hassan aka Zaheer Hassan Mehmood is accused of stabbing two persons believed to be working with the magazine. Friday’s attack came three weeks into a trial in Paris of suspected accomplices of the culprits in the January 2015 attacks on Charlie Hebdo, a policewoman and a Jewish supermarket that left 17 people dead, news agency Reuters said.

Back in Pakistan, the attacker’s father appealed to the Imran Khan government and other Islamic countries to help bring his son home. “I want to appeal to the Pakistan government to bring my son home. He has done service in the cause of Islam and we are a Muslim country,” he told the Pakistani channel .

Ali Hassan, his father said, “was a good son” who prayed regularly and attended Milad twice a year. He said that Ali Hassan was a follower of Muhammad Ilyas Qadri, a Pakistani Sunni Muslim scholar and founder of the Dawat-e-Islami organisation, which has established a chain of madrasas across Pakistan and abroad.

Ali Hassan’s father, a farmer, lives in the small town of Mandi Bahauddin in Punjab. He said that Ali Hassan had gone to France two years ago. Of his five sons, three are abroad - two in France and one in Italy. “My son has the heart of a lion,” he told his interviewer.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...-2-in-paris/story-4SlYyadJihMniXNBp6ENbI.html
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Did he really say this? Although kudos to the web-based channel to not release his name..
 
MenInG said:
The father of Ali Hassan, a young man who stabbed two persons in an attack using a meat cleaver outside the former Paris office of the controversial Charlie Hebdo magazine last week, has said he is “proud” of his son. In an interview to the web-based channel Naya Pakistan, the father, whose name is not revealed, said his son has “done a great job” and he is “very happy” about the attack.

The French government had condemned the stabbing on Friday outside the former office of the satirical magazine as an act of “Islamist terrorism”.

The man, earlier identified as Ali Hassan, seriously injured two employees of TV production agency Premieres Lignes, whose offices are in the same city centre block that used to house the magazine Charlie Hebdo. The magazine had shifted out after the January 2015 attacks on Charlie Hebdo, a policewoman and a Jewish supermarket that left 17 people dead. The magazine’s current address is kept secret for security reasons, AFP reported.

On Monday, the news agency said the man, who had declared earlier in a two-minute video that he was going to target the magazine, identified himself as Zaheer Hassan Mehmood.

Ali Hassan aka Zaheer Hassan Mehmood is accused of stabbing two persons believed to be working with the magazine. Friday’s attack came three weeks into a trial in Paris of suspected accomplices of the culprits in the January 2015 attacks on Charlie Hebdo, a policewoman and a Jewish supermarket that left 17 people dead, news agency Reuters said.

Back in Pakistan, the attacker’s father appealed to the Imran Khan government and other Islamic countries to help bring his son home. “I want to appeal to the Pakistan government to bring my son home. He has done service in the cause of Islam and we are a Muslim country,” he told the Pakistani channel .

Ali Hassan, his father said, “was a good son” who prayed regularly and attended Milad twice a year. He said that Ali Hassan was a follower of Muhammad Ilyas Qadri, a Pakistani Sunni Muslim scholar and founder of the Dawat-e-Islami organisation, which has established a chain of madrasas across Pakistan and abroad.

Ali Hassan’s father, a farmer, lives in the small town of Mandi Bahauddin in Punjab. He said that Ali Hassan had gone to France two years ago. Of his five sons, three are abroad - two in France and one in Italy. “My son has the heart of a lion,” he told his interviewer.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...-2-in-paris/story-4SlYyadJihMniXNBp6ENbI.html
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The father needs arresting if hes said all this An absolute nutter
 
Zaz said:
The father needs arresting if hes said all this An absolute nutter
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I mean not really

he didn't do anything he just agreed with him

I don't think this is a crime
 
MenInG said:
The father of Ali Hassan, a young man who stabbed two persons in an attack using a meat cleaver outside the former Paris office of the controversial Charlie Hebdo magazine last week, has said he is “proud” of his son. In an interview to the web-based channel Naya Pakistan, the father, whose name is not revealed, said his son has “done a great job” and he is “very happy” about the attack.

The French government had condemned the stabbing on Friday outside the former office of the satirical magazine as an act of “Islamist terrorism”.

The man, earlier identified as Ali Hassan, seriously injured two employees of TV production agency Premieres Lignes, whose offices are in the same city centre block that used to house the magazine Charlie Hebdo. The magazine had shifted out after the January 2015 attacks on Charlie Hebdo, a policewoman and a Jewish supermarket that left 17 people dead. The magazine’s current address is kept secret for security reasons, AFP reported.

On Monday, the news agency said the man, who had declared earlier in a two-minute video that he was going to target the magazine, identified himself as Zaheer Hassan Mehmood.

Ali Hassan aka Zaheer Hassan Mehmood is accused of stabbing two persons believed to be working with the magazine. Friday’s attack came three weeks into a trial in Paris of suspected accomplices of the culprits in the January 2015 attacks on Charlie Hebdo, a policewoman and a Jewish supermarket that left 17 people dead, news agency Reuters said.

Back in Pakistan, the attacker’s father appealed to the Imran Khan government and other Islamic countries to help bring his son home. “I want to appeal to the Pakistan government to bring my son home. He has done service in the cause of Islam and we are a Muslim country,” he told the Pakistani channel .

Ali Hassan, his father said, “was a good son” who prayed regularly and attended Milad twice a year. He said that Ali Hassan was a follower of Muhammad Ilyas Qadri, a Pakistani Sunni Muslim scholar and founder of the Dawat-e-Islami organisation, which has established a chain of madrasas across Pakistan and abroad.

Ali Hassan’s father, a farmer, lives in the small town of Mandi Bahauddin in Punjab. He said that Ali Hassan had gone to France two years ago. Of his five sons, three are abroad - two in France and one in Italy. “My son has the heart of a lion,” he told his interviewer.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...-2-in-paris/story-4SlYyadJihMniXNBp6ENbI.html
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Cuplrits father looks like an extremist himself. He has the nerve to ask Imran Khan to get his son released. Hope Imran gives this man a nice jail time and some Dhulaee in the prison.
 
Bigboii said:
This trauma might have led to him becoming a terrorist to somehow transfer that pain onto the world (this episode could have perfectly explained a mass shooter)

Freedom, unchecked immigration is one of the things that makes western Europe keep it's population from declining which helps them maintain thier living standards

Same cant be said about Japan and in a couple of decades the cammunist LaLa land you live in it would become stagnant, decline and than go into obsecirity... all because they'll follow your advice of strict immigration policy
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Pakistanis are not doing a favor to Europe by preventing its population from dwindling. It is the other way round. Unchecked immigration is a disaster. With refugees, comes violence and crime.
 
saeedhk said:
Pakistanis are not doing a favor to Europe by preventing its population from dwindling. It is the other way round. Unchecked immigration is a disaster. With refugees, comes violence and crime.
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Learn, read something please post intelligent stuff and than we'll talk

Cause I already told you how the living standards and all jargon know it's time for you to pick up some book
 
Bigboii said:
Learn, read something please post intelligent stuff and than we'll talk

Cause I already told you how the living standards and all jargon know it's time for you to pick up some book
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Poor you! Now running away. :broad
 
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Paris knife attacker wanted to set Charlie Hebdo offices on fire, says prosecutor

PARIS (Reuters) - The Pakistani man who wounded two people with a knife in front of the former offices of Charlie Hebdo last week did not know that the satirical magazine had moved and wanted to set its offices on fire, the Paris prosecutor said on Tuesday.

Prosecutor Jean-Francois Ricard told a news conference the man carried three bottles of the flammable paint thinner White Spirit. He also said the man had operated under a false identity and that a photo of his passport on his phone showed that he was 25 years old, not 18 as he first said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...offices-on-fire-says-prosecutor-idUSKBN26K292
 
^What a crook. Har kisam ka ganda kaam kar kay, baad may baray Ashiq-e-Rasool ban jatay hai!
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Nope. Loads of white and black people are also involved in drugs and also abuse the benefits systems, but white people would just call them cheats, they wouldn't label their own race as a generalisation because that would be racist. Black people used to get this sort of racial stereotyping thrown at them, but it's no longer seen as acceptable in the modern world.
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Agreed, and what I came into this thread to say. The idea that drug dealing, benefit fraud and council tax fraud etc are just committed by British Pakistanis in the UK is totally inaccurate. I have lived in Northern cities for years, and I’m sorry to say that a great deal of white people do it as well. Criminals only represent themselves, not entire communities.
 
Before attack, a Pakistani teen sought better life in France

KOTLI QAZI, Pakistan (AP) — Ali Hassan was only 15 when he left Pakistan to be smuggled to Europe, following the path of his older brother and many other young men from his home country dreaming of a better life.

Nearly three years later, Hassan is today in a Paris jail after allegedly attacking and seriously wounding two people with a meat cleaver. Before the Sept. 25 attack, he proclaimed in a video he was seeking vengeance after the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo published caricatures of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad.

Little is known about Hassan’s time in France. There has been confusion over his age, but The Associated Press obtained his official identification documents in Pakistan that confirmed he is currently 18.

French authorities are investigating the Sept. 25 stabbings as an Islamic extremist attack. The stabbings echoed a January 2015 attack on the newspaper that killed 12 of its staffers by militants who claimed they were acting in the name of al-Qaida.

So far, there has been no indication Hassan was connected to any terrorist group. Instead, the wrath of the teenager — far from home in a world vastly different from any he knew — may have roots in Pakistan’s draconian blasphemy laws.

Hassan’s journey began in his home village of Kotli Qazi, deep in a rural area of Punjab province. The tiny village lies down a narrow, rutted dirt road weaving through vast agricultural fields.

The small cement houses are crowded together, their walls packed with dung patties baking in the blistering noon day sun. By sunset they’ll be peeled off the walls and used to fuel the evening fires.

Many of the young men, including childhood friends of Hassan, said they dreamed of reaching Europe to find prosperity — at least 18 youths from the village have emigrated abroad in recent years. At the same time, they held up Hassan as a hero for carrying out the attack.

In the district where Kotli Qazi is located, a hard-line political party, Tehreek-e Labbaik, holds powerful influence — almost its sole agenda to uphold the blasphemy laws, which call for the death penalty against those who offend Islam. Only a few months after Hassan arrived in France, Labbaik Party-backed protesters rallied and blocked roads in the district and other parts of Pakistan in November 2018, furious that a young Christian woman, Asia Bibi, was freed from death row where she’d faced execution on blasphemy charges.

“He went to France because compared to other countries, like Saudi Arabia, earning there is much better,” a childhood friend, Mohammad Ikram, said of Hassan. “Young people from our area want to live in Europe.”

But, he added, “all our friends said if they were in his place they would have done the same if they had seen anything blasphemous against the Prophet.”

Ali’s long-time neighbor Amina, in her 80s, remembered Hassan as a good boy.

“He never went looking for mischief like some of those other boys. No, he just wanted to study,” she said. Sitting on a traditional rope-woven bed in a dusty compound she shared with several family members she said: “Religiously he did the right thing. You may not agree, but he did right thing.”

Neighbors and shopkeepers said Pakistan’s powerful security agencies told them to say nothing of Hassan or the Paris attack. Several expressed concern for the image their tiny village was getting.

“Please don’t hurt the dignity of our village, don’t take away our dignity,” pleaded one shopkeeper, who didn’t want to give his name fearful of the plainclothes police standing nearby.

Hassan’s father, Arshad Mahmoud, refused to talk to reporters who knocked on his house’s gate. Pakistani police and intelligence warned him against speaking publicly after he openly championed his son’s actions.

Shuja Nawaz, author, political and security analyst and a fellow at the Washington-based Atlantic Council, said the influx of young migrants from countries such as Pakistan into Europe brings two factors into collision.

“First, the conditions in the home countries, like Pakistan, that increasingly are becoming more Islamicized and anti-Western through the influence of mullahs and populist governments, while their education systems crumble,” he said. “Second, in the Western countries, where migrants end up legally or illegally, there is a Ghettoization of Muslim immigrants who turn to religion as a defense mechanism and rallying point.”

Official identification documents seen by the AP confirm Hassan’s date of birth as Aug. 10, 2002, the second youngest of nine siblings.

An older brother, Bilal, now 32 and reportedly living in Italy, was the first of the siblings to travel to Europe, neighbors and police officials said. Hassan’s younger brother, Ali Murtaza, now 16, also migrated to France and was arrested along with Hassan, though he was later released.

Ikram, Hassan’s friend, said the “illegal” way to Europe can be very dangerous but from his village the majority who go are, like Hassan, between the age of 15 and 16 because minors often won’t be ejected.

Hassan embarked on the journey in early 2018, crossing through Iran, Turkey and Italy and finally reaching France in August 2018. He was registered as an unaccompanied minor and was initially put in housing in the Paris suburb of Cergy, where he received aid accorded to minors.

At some point, he moved to Pantin, a working-class suburb that has a large immigrant population, including North Africans, Sub-Saharan Africans and Pakistanis. He was living in an apartment with several other Pakistanis in a grimy brick building above a hooka bar and an auto parts shop.

“They were quiet, they had their lives, left in the morning to work,” said Zyed Zaied, who runs the auto shop. He said he didn’t know where Hassan worked but said Pakistanis often find jobs in restaurants.

It was in Pantin that Hassan was living when, on Sept. 1, Charlie Hebdo republished the caricatures of Muhammad. The paper said it was a show of press freedoms on the eve of the start of the first trial over the January 2015 attacks.

On Sept. 25, Hassan had an appointment at the Val d’Oise regional administration to review his residency situation. Hassan had just turned 18, meaning he was no longer a minor and would have lost his claim to residency in France unless he could make an asylum case.

Instead, Hassan went to what he thought were the offices of Charlie Hebdo, unaware that they had moved. With a cleaver, he attacked two people who, it turned out, worked for a documentary film company, seriously wounding them. He was caught soon after, speckles of blood on his forehead, on the steps of the Bastille Opera.

Relatives told investigators that in recent weeks, Hassan had been watching videos by Tahreek-e Labbaik Party’s leader, Khadim Hussain Rizvi, denouncing the caricatures’ publication, French prosecutors said.

In a video posted to social media ahead of the stabbing, Hassan wept and said he had been inspired by the party.

“If I sound emotional, then there is a reason for it and let me share it with you. Here in France, caricatures of the Prophet were drawn, and I am going to resist it today.”

https://apnews.com/article/paris-pakistan-europe-archive-france-12e45fe6e5ecb0b8e53f9ae61374bab8
 
If certain Pakistanis in Europe behaved like their American counter parts things would have been different in the best possible way....
 
Romali_rotti said:
If certain Pakistanis in Europe behaved like their American counter parts things would have been different in the best possible way....
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Different backgrounds

Immigration from Pakistan in US seems to have been at a lower level (in numbers) than in UK and probably more educated people?
 
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