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More than 70 people have been killed in four assaults amid several reported incidents of violence in Balochistan province in southwestern Pakistan, according to military and police officials.

The country’s military said 14 soldiers and police, as well as 21 militants, were killed in fighting after the largest of the attacks, which targeted vehicles on a major highway in Bela, a town in Lasbela district.

In a separate attack in Musakhel district, local officials said at least 23 civilians were killed after attackers determined they were from Punjab, with 35 vehicles set ablaze.

And in Kalat, 10 people were reported to have been killed – five police and five civilians – after a police post and a highway were attacked.

On the same day, rail traffic with Quetta was suspended following blasts on a rail bridge in the town of Bolan, linking the provincial capital to the rest of Pakistan, as well as on a rail link to neighbouring Iran, railways official Muhammad Kashif said.

Police said they had found six as yet unidentified bodies near the site of the attack on the railway bridge.

Balochistan province has had a simmering rebellion for years, with several armed groups present. Rights groups have denounced Pakistan’s response to the movement, which they document as including enforced disappearances and other forms of state repression.

The attacks, along the highway that connects to the province of Punjab, came shortly after the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) warned people to stay away from highways in the province.
In a statement, the group said its fighters targeted military personnel travelling in civilian clothes, who were shot once they were identified.

Pakistan’s Ministry of Interior, however, said the dead were innocent citizens.
“Vehicles travelling to and from Punjab were inspected, and individuals from Punjab were identified and shot,” Najibullah Kakar, a senior official in Musakhail, told the AFP news agency.

The injured were moved to a hospital in Dera Ghazi Khan, the nearest large medical facility.
President Asif Ali Zardari and Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi in separate statements called the Musakhail attack “barbaric” and pledged that the attackers would not get away with it.

Uzma Bukhari, a spokesperson for the Punjab provincial government, denounced the assaults as “a matter of grave concern” and called on the Balochistan provincial government to “step up efforts to eliminate BLA terrorists”.

Balochistan Chief Minister Sarfraz Bugti also promised that the attackers would be brought to justice

According to local media, 12 rebel fighters were killed by security forces throughout the province in the past 24 hours.

Similar past attacks in Balochistan have been claimed by the BLA, such as the killing of seven barbers in Gwadar in May, or the April killings of several people abducted from a highway.

Armed groups like the BLA in the resource-rich but otherwise impoverished province have secessionist aims, often targeting labourers from Punjab coming to the area to work.
 
Baloch resistance has taken far too many innocent lives, it's time both sides talk and put an end to this savagery. RIP to the victims.
 
Where is the effort by the establishment, Naqvi and SS? It matters not to the guys with guns as long as Qazi gets his extension. This is the disaster when you have such people in power and are desperate to stay in power
 
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What do they want? Do they want to split from Pakistan or do they demand something else?
 
Can a well educated resident Pakistani poster please explain the exact situation in Balochistan right now without any biased views and how things can improve.

Non resident Pakistani posters can contribute but they must mention that they are not resident Pakistanis as i am looking for the most authentic information.

This is for research purpose.

Om Shanti to all the departed
May there be peace in the region
 
These people would not be operating if the locals are not hand in glove

Apparently some of the suicide bombers were women students from universities .

I think it's high time these people begin to be picked up by black vigos and dispatched quickly.

As for the insurgents like I said they come from those villages and classed as missing people by messiahs party and baloch and human rights organisations.
I have a better solution start rounding the men up or another scenario if troops are attacked level the areas with vacuum bombs and glide bombs , why is our third world country worrying about rules of engagement and human rights when the hypocrites In the west don't even adhere to them or the UN.

Glide bomb will make these people extinct pretty quickly.
 
These people would not be operating if the locals are not hand in glove

Apparently some of the suicide bombers were women students from universities .

I think it's high time these people begin to be picked up by black vigos and dispatched quickly.

As for the insurgents like I said they come from those villages and classed as missing people by messiahs party and baloch and human rights organisations.
I have a better solution start rounding the men up or another scenario if troops are attacked level the areas with vacuum bombs and glide bombs , why is our third world country worrying about rules of engagement and human rights when the hypocrites In the west don't even adhere to them or the UN.

Glide bomb will make these people extinct pretty quickly.

ie. imitate what Israel is doing in Gaza?!
 
These people would not be operating if the locals are not hand in glove

Apparently some of the suicide bombers were women students from universities .

I think it's high time these people begin to be picked up by black vigos and dispatched quickly.

As for the insurgents like I said they come from those villages and classed as missing people by messiahs party and baloch and human rights organisations.
I have a better solution start rounding the men up or another scenario if troops are attacked level the areas with vacuum bombs and glide bombs , why is our third world country worrying about rules of engagement and human rights when the hypocrites In the west don't even adhere to them or the UN.

Glide bomb will make these people extinct pretty quickly.
This won't work but will rather radicalise the people more.
 
These people would not be operating if the locals are not hand in glove

Apparently some of the suicide bombers were women students from universities .

I think it's high time these people begin to be picked up by black vigos and dispatched quickly.

As for the insurgents like I said they come from those villages and classed as missing people by messiahs party and baloch and human rights organisations.
I have a better solution start rounding the men up or another scenario if troops are attacked level the areas with vacuum bombs and glide bombs , why is our third world country worrying about rules of engagement and human rights when the hypocrites In the west don't even adhere to them or the UN.

Glide bomb will make these people extinct pretty quickly.

What you are proposing is genocide.
 
I had a chance once to visit Balochistan. Some parts of the region are so beautiful. There is a place where there are mountains of sand and rocks alongside sea water.

The few local people I met there were lovely as well. Just common people like you and me (maybe in worse living conditions) living the life.

I still don't know too much about the region, the culture and the people. Although I should because it's truly a hidden treasure. I hope and will try to explore the province more.

It's truly a tragedy that some powers have brought Balochistan to this point.
 
These people would not be operating if the locals are not hand in glove

Apparently some of the suicide bombers were women students from universities .

I think it's high time these people begin to be picked up by black vigos and dispatched quickly.

As for the insurgents like I said they come from those villages and classed as missing people by messiahs party and baloch and human rights organisations.
I have a better solution start rounding the men up or another scenario if troops are attacked level the areas with vacuum bombs and glide bombs , why is our third world country worrying about rules of engagement and human rights when the hypocrites In the west don't even adhere to them or the UN.

Glide bomb will make these people extinct pretty quickly.
This is sick to read. Glide and vacuum bomb an entire population? They’re Pakistanis, and are entitled to the same opportunities as everyone else. Ethnically cleansing an entire population to kill terrorists is absurd.
 
These people would not be operating if the locals are not hand in glove

Apparently some of the suicide bombers were women students from universities .

I think it's high time these people begin to be picked up by black vigos and dispatched quickly.

As for the insurgents like I said they come from those villages and classed as missing people by messiahs party and baloch and human rights organisations.
I have a better solution start rounding the men up or another scenario if troops are attacked level the areas with vacuum bombs and glide bombs , why is our third world country worrying about rules of engagement and human rights when the hypocrites In the west don't even adhere to them or the UN.

Glide bomb will make these people extinct pretty quickly.

You are simply advocating genocide of Baloch nationals. This is why they want a separate nation
 
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Surprised at no comments about this topic. Pakistanis should be ashamed of calling themselves a nation when their people are more interested in entertainment and cricket rather than the real political affairs of the country. Cannot believe they are our Sindhu ghaati cousins.
 
RIP to the dead. May their souls rest in peace. Violence is never ever the answer to anything.
 
Surprised at no comments about this topic. Pakistanis should be ashamed of calling themselves a nation when their people are more interested in entertainment and cricket rather than the real political affairs of the country. Cannot believe they are our Sindhu ghaati cousins.

Surpsied myself, it's like they don't care at all, no anger, nothing.
 
Surprised at no comments about this topic. Pakistanis should be ashamed of calling themselves a nation when their people are more interested in entertainment and cricket rather than the real political affairs of the country. Cannot believe they are our Sindhu ghaati cousins.
More interested in who sneezed in India than their own backyard.
 
More interested in who sneezed in India than their own backyard.

One politically motivated comment in Bharat would have led to a 10 page discussion by now and you have Muslims killing Muslims in Pakistan in terrorist acts and it doesn’t even seem to be a news here. The only reasonable explanation is that they know the kind of real oppression that the Baloch have faced for decades. They want to talk about Kashmiris only who are 100 times prosperous both sides across the border. Pakistanis create their own world in their mind and live in denial and delusions about the realities of the world but feel entitled to talk about the smallest of irregularities in Bharat.
 
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As I said earlier, except Bewal Express (I do disagree with him on many subjects but you could find only him in threads like this also so credit where it is due), other pak ppers are more in the domain of "Anti India" than "Pro Pakistan" which is why for Indian political matters, you'll see 10 times more discussion than any subject related to pakistan such as this.

This is unfortunate for pakistan and I guess why the system is failing not only from top but from bottom also.
 
More interested in who sneezed in India than their own backyard.

Very true, no Dalit being Miss India for some reason is a more worrying topic than these brutalities in their own land. I am not even trying score points here, the response to the thread just gives me such anguish on the kind of individuals I share the forum with.
 
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Instead of using their intelligence to sever ties with problematic Balouch suppliers, the newly form 47 elected Prime Minister and the DHA ‘mafia’ are preoccupied with opposing the country’s most popular political party.
 
As I said earlier, except Bewal Express (I do disagree with him on many subjects but you could find only him in threads like this also so credit where it is due), other pak ppers are more in the domain of "Anti India" than "Pro Pakistan" which is why for Indian political matters, you'll see 10 times more discussion than any subject related to pakistan such as this.

This is unfortunate for pakistan and I guess why the system is failing not only from top but from bottom also.

Utmost respect for the realest of realest Pakistani posters who maintain same moral stance on matters everywhere in the world including at home and there have been plenty here also. Just that many of them gave up debating with the trolls here because it was as good as banging your head with a wall.

This is an event as big as Pulwama in Pakistan. I remember how we as a country were brought to a standstill by it and how nothing else felt more important than avenging it.

Pakistanis, I don’t know how do they justify to themselves to their conscience about turning a blind eye to such events, their so called ally China puts Muslims under conditions worse than animals. Yet they only want to talk about what a BJP political said during an election rally about Muslims in Bharat.
 
If Indians are genuinely concerned, shouldn’t their first step be to urge their own government to cease supporting those responsible for the killing of innocent Pakistanis in Baluchistan?
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Ind supporting this killing. Heights of delusion. On the other hand, its the Pak establishment that has fomented terrorism in Kashmir and not only that - has radicalized and brainwashed an entire generation in Pak for their personal gain. Not everything has to be anti Ind vitriol seen thru green tented lenses.
 
If Indians are genuinely concerned, shouldn’t their first step be to urge their own government to cease supporting those responsible for the killing of innocent Pakistanis in Baluchistan?
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We don't care.. just want to expose the hypocrisy of Pakistanis
 
Ind supporting this killing. Heights of delusion. On the other hand, it’s the Pak establishment that has fomented terrorism in Kashmir and not only that - has radicalized and brainwashed an entire generation in Pak for their personal gain. Not everything has to be anti Ind vitriol seen thru green tented lenses.
Absolutely, as if Baluch terrorists don’t get Indian support.

lol
 
Absolutely, as if Baluch terrorists don’t get Indian support.

lol
Reality check for you and some highlighted comments from it if you have the time to read it instead of making baseless comments :


1. The former American Af-Pak envoy Richard Holbrooke said in 2011 that while Pakistan had repeatedly shared its allegations with Washington, it had failed to provide any evidence to the United States that India was involved with separatist movements in Balochistan. He did not consider Pakistan's accusations against India credible. Holbrooke also strongly rejected the allegation that India was using its consulates in Afghanistan to facilitate Baloch rebel activity, saying he had "no reason to believe Islamabad's charges", and that "Pakistan would do well to examine its own internal problems".[179] In 2009, a Washington-based think tank, the Center for International Policy, published a report stating that no evidence of Indian involvement in Balochistan had been provided by Pakistan, and that the allegations made by Pakistan lacked credibility, as Baloch rebels had been fighting with "ineffectual small arms".[180]

India has categorically denied the allegations, pointing to Pakistan's failure to provide evidence.[176]

Brahamdagh Bugti stated in a 2008 interview that he would accept aid from India, Afghanistan, and Iran in defending Balochistan.[181] When asked about the alleged links between his group and India, he is reported to have laughed and said, "Would our people live amid such miserable conditions if we enjoyed support from India?"[182] Baloch National Front secretary Karima Baloch claims that the allegations against India are an "excuse to label [the] ingrown Balochistan freedom movement as a proxy war to cover up the war crimes [the] Pakistani state has committed in Balochistan".[183]

2. The US State Department's official policy rejects secessionist forces in the Pakistani part of Balochistan, in support of the country's "unity and territorial integrity".[203] The US has, however, expressed concerns over human rights issues and urged parties in Pakistan to "work out their differences peaceably and through a valid political process."[203] In February 2010 a Jundullah leader captured by Iran, Abdulmalek Rigi, alleged on Iranian TV "that the US had promised to provide" Jundullah "with military equipment and a base in Afghanistan, near the Iranian border" for its fight against Iran. Rigi did not mention assistance in fighting Pakistan (which Iran accuses of backing the Jundullah, according to the BBC). The US has denied links with Jundullah, and according to the BBC, "it is not possible" to determine whether Abdolmalek Rigi "made the statement freely or under duress."[204]
USA has also designated Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) as a global terrorist organization on 2 July 2019.[58]

3. In late 2011, the Balochistan conflict became the focus of dialogue on a new US South Asia strategy brought up by some US congressmen, who said they were frustrated over Pakistan's alleged continued support to the Afghan Taliban, which they said led to the continuation of the War in Afghanistan. Although this alternative to the Obama Administration's Af-Pak policy has generated some interest, "its advocates clearly do not yet have broad support".[205]

Human rights issues​


Main article: Human rights violations in Balochistan

Human Right Organisations have held Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) responsible for ethnic cleansing in the province as Brahamdagh Bugti (alleged leader of BLA), during a TV interview on 15 April 2009, urged separatists to kill non-Baloch residing in Balochistan. His actions allegedly lead to the death of 500 non-Baloch citizens in the province.[216] According to The Economist around 800 non-Baloch settlers and Baloch have been killed by Baloch militant groups since 2006.[59][60][61] Similarly, Human Right Watch have also held Baloch militants groups like Baloch liberation army (BLA) and Balochistan Liberation United Front (BLUF) to be responsible for attacks on schools, teachers and students in the province.[217] As a result, many teachers have sought transfer to secure areas such as Quetta or have moved out of province entirely.[218] Separatist militants groups have also claimed responsibility for attacking and killing Journalists in the province.[219][220][221][222] Apart from Human Right Organisations, Baloch separatists themselves have accused each other of being involved in Human right violations.[212]

In the period 2003 to 2012, it is estimated that 8000 people were abducted by Pakistani security forces in Balochistan.[59] In 2008 alone, more than 1100 Baloch people disappeared.[223] There have also been reports of torture.[224] An increasing number of bodies "with burn marks, broken limbs, nails pulled out, and sometimes with holes drilled in their heads" are being found on roadsides as the result of a "kill and dump" campaign allegedly conducted by Pakistani security forces, particularly Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and the Frontier Corps (FC).[225][226] A 2013 report from the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan identified ISI and Frontier Corps as the perpetrators for many disappearances, while noting a more cooperative stance from these agencies in recent years as perceived by local police forces.[227] The Pakistan Rangers are also alleged to have committed a vast number of human rights violations in the region.[228] No one has been held responsible for the crimes.[225] However, Pakistani security officials have rejected all the allegations made against them. Major General Obaid Ullah Khan claim that Baloch militants are using Frontier Corps (FC) uniform to kidnap people and malign the good name of Frontier Corps. Baloch militants have also been found using military uniform which resembles the one used by Frontier Corps while carrying out their activities.[229] A senior Pakistani provincial security official claims that missing person figures are 'exaggerated', that 'in Balochistan, insurgents, immigrants who fled to Europe and even those who have been killed in military operations are declared as missing persons'.[230] Reports have shown that many people have fled the province to seek asylum in other countries because of the unrest caused by separatist militants.

Militant groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi have systematically targeted Shia Muslims in Balochistan, with about 600 being killed in attacks in recent years.[59][231][232][233]

During a camp at Broken Chair, Geneva, Baloch Republican Party (BRP) leader Sher Baz Bugti alleged that Baloch youth, women and children were kept in "torture cells". BRP chief Brahumdagh Bugti called upon human rights organisation, including the United Nations, to take steps to stop the alleged "Baloch genocide".[234]
 
Hindutwa can try all they want, it ain't happening. By the way, fake sympathizing stands out a mile even on a public forum.

Fake sympathisers or real sympathisers doesn't matter. Hypocrisy of Pakistani champions of humanity shedding tears for rest of the world except their own has been thoroughly established. Even the replies here are Bharat/Bharatis rather than showing the slightest of pain for your own countrymen.
 
President, PM condemn terrorist attacks in Balochistan, KP

President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Monday strongly condemned terrorist attacks in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, reiterating the nation’s resolve to wipe out terrorism with a renewed commitment.

President Zardari and PM Shehbaz, in separate yet similar statements, denounced the senseless violence that claimed the lives of innocent civilians and security personnel alike.

Known for his tough stance on terrorism, President Zardari was quick to condemn the attacks, describing the perpetrators as “enemies of humanity”. He reiterated the nation’s resolve to continue fighting terrorism, saying: “The killing of innocent people is tantamount to killing the entire mankind.”

He said the nation stood with the brave security forces and law enforcement agencies. With the help of the entire nation, the scourge of terrorism would be eliminated from across the country, he said.

The president and the premier particularly expressed their grief over the loss of precious lives in the Musakhel attack and called for taking the perpetrators to task. They prayed to Allah Almighty for peace for the departed souls and strength for the bereaved families to bear the loss.

“The killing of innocent people is tantamount to killing the entire mankind. The terrorists are enemies of the country, nation, and humanity,” the president said.

PM Shehbaz directed the law enforcement agencies to carry out an immediate probe into the incident and also instructed the authorities to cooperate with victim families and extend urgent medical care to the injured. “The perpetrators of this attack will be given an exemplary punishment. No form of terrorism is acceptable in the country. Our fight against terrorism will continue till the complete elimination of the scourge.”

President Zardari also condemned the terrorist incidents in Razmak Bazaar, North Waziristan, and Kalat. He expressed deep sorrow and grief over the martyrdom of security personnel during clearance operations in Balochistan.

He said the nation stood with the valiant security forces and law enforcement agencies.

“With the help of the entire nation, the nefarious intentions of terrorist elements will be thwarted,” the president added.

He appreciated the bravery and spirit of personnel who embraced martyrdom in the incidents. He prayed to Allah Almighty to grant the martyrs, high ranks in Jannah and grant courage to the bereaved families to bear the loss with equanimity.

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, who was equally vocal in his condemnation, directed the law enforcement agencies to conduct an immediate probe into the incidents. He vowed to bring the perpetrators to justice, saying: “The nation will never forget the sacrifices of the police and security forces. Such cowardly attacks cannot undermine our morale.”

As the nation mourns the loss of citizens, the leaders’ words serve as a call to action.

The PM pledged to continue the fight against terrorism, saying: “We will uproot all forms of terrorism. The cowardly activities of terrorists cannot shake our resolve.” He said that such cowardly attack could not undermine the nation’s morale. He said that the nation stood by the security forces in the war against terrorism and that the terrorists’ nefarious designs to disturb the country’s peace would never succeed.

While strongly condemning a terrorist attack in Kalat that claimed lives of police and Levies personnel, the prime minister expressed grief over the martyrdom of the security personnel and prayed for the martyred as well as the recovery of the injured.

According to a PM Office statement, he also prayed for strength to the bereaved families to bear the loss and directed the authorities concerned to extend the best possible medical treatment to the injured.

He also paid tributes to the personnel of security forces who embraced martyrdom during operations against terrorists in various areas of Balochistan. He said the timely actions of security forces foiled the nefarious designs of the terrorists. He said the entire nation stood with its brave security forces.

He vowed to uproot all forms of terrorism, adding that the cowardly activities of terrorists could not shake the nation’s resolve.

Offering his heartfelt condolences to the bereaved families, the prime minister prayed for the elevation of the ranks of the martyrs in Jannah.

Governor condemns killing

Balochistan Governor Jaffar Khan Mandokhail on Monday strongly condemned the killing of travellers after offloading them from trucks and buses on an inter-provincial highway in Musakhel district.

In a condolence message, he expressed deep sorrow and grief over the martyrdom of passengers in Musakhel.

He directed the law enforcement agencies to arrest the elements involved in this worst incident of terrorism and bring them to justice.

The governor extended condolences to the bereaved families of the deceased and prayed for the souls of the departed to grant the high ranks in Jannah.

DAWN NEWS
 
Fake sympathisers or real sympathisers doesn't matter. Hypocrisy of Pakistani champions of humanity shedding tears for rest of the world except their own has been thoroughly established. Even the replies here are Bharat/Bharatis rather than showing the slightest of pain for your own countrymen.

Direct contact is our way of showing love and compassion. (You should try it.)
Hindutwa sympathizing is a major hypocrisy exposed when a GENOCIDE is being defended by majority of the same.
 
‘Time to end terrorism’: PM Shehbaz addresses cabinet meeting day after Balochistan attacks

A day after horrific attacks across Balochistan claimed at least 50 lives, including 14 security men, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif asserted that it was now “time to end terrorism”.

Addressing a federal cabinet meeting in Islamabad, PM Shehbaz said: “Rather than discussing that people from which area of Pakistan were offloaded from buses and martyred, if I say that terrorists martyred Pakistanis, I think that would be more appropriate and effective for the country’s well-being.”

“However, the time has arrived to end this terrorism,” the prime minister asserted.

In the latest flare of violence, the militants launched numerous attacks on Sunday midnight, targeting security personnel as well as civilians, particularly those hailing from Punjab.

At least 50 people, including 14 security men, lost their lives in different parts of restive Balochistan as dozens of militants affiliated with the banned Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) — a separatist outfit — went on a rampage across the province, storming police stations, blowing up railway tracks, and setting fire to almost three dozen vehicles.

In Musakhail, a district on the border with Punjab, militants shot dead 23 people after checking their identity documents.

In subsequent operations, the armed forces’ media wing said 21 militants were neutralised by the security forces as Balochistan Chief Minister Sarfraz Bugti and Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi vowed to crush terrorism in the province.

Addressing today’s federal cabinet meeting, PM Shehbaz said: “The recent incidents that took place in Balochistan yesterday, no matter how much they are condemned, it is not enough.”

He noted that “dozens of Pakistanis” had been killed in terrorism incidents in the past few days, highlighting that there was a wave of terrorism in the past few months.

“According to reports, more than 50 Pakistanis have been martyred. Along with that, our jawaans (soldiers) and law enforcement agencies personnel have also been martyred”, PM Shehbaz said, referring to Sunday and Monday’s attacks in Balochistan.

He further said the terrorists were “mistaken if they believed they could establish their hold by martyring innocent Pakistanis”.

“The sole aim of their nefarious and impure goals is to stop the journey of progress in Pakistan,” the prime minister said, mentioning the projects being carried out under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

He further said the terrorists wanted to “create distance between Pakistan and China”.

Noting that the entire nation condemned the attacks, PM Shehbaz stated that the sacrifices made to end terrorism would not go to waste.

The premier further said that the government has assured the security forces of providing them with “whatever financial resources” they needed by “reducing our other expenditures”.

The prime minister said the terrorists’ only aim was to “stop the steps being taken for Pakistan’s progress by the federal government, together with the provincial governments, after overcoming challenges and despite all difficulties”.

PM Shehbaz stressed the need to identify the country’s enemies and express “full unity” among the nation.

“We have to move forward with a resolute decision. There is no space for any kind of weakness,” the premier asserted.

DAWN NEWS
 
Can a well educated resident Pakistani poster please explain the exact situation in Balochistan right now without any biased views and how things can improve.

Non resident Pakistani posters can contribute but they must mention that they are not resident Pakistanis as i am looking for the most authentic information.

This is for research purpose.

Om Shanti to all the departed
May there be peace in the region
I am not resident.

It's an ethno nationalist movement. They believe that the centre ( basically Punjab) has oppressed them and stifled their culture and potential.

They want independence. Honestly though despite these graphic attacks the actual size and scale of the movement is not too large. It's less an insurgency and more just a handful of militants.

Tbh if you are a non Punjabi you in Pakistan it's likely you will harbour some resentments.
 
Reality check for you and some highlighted comments from it if you have the time to read it instead of making baseless comments :


1. The former American Af-Pak envoy Richard Holbrooke said in 2011 that while Pakistan had repeatedly shared its allegations with Washington, it had failed to provide any evidence to the United States that India was involved with separatist movements in Balochistan. He did not consider Pakistan's accusations against India credible. Holbrooke also strongly rejected the allegation that India was using its consulates in Afghanistan to facilitate Baloch rebel activity, saying he had "no reason to believe Islamabad's charges", and that "Pakistan would do well to examine its own internal problems".[179] In 2009, a Washington-based think tank, the Center for International Policy, published a report stating that no evidence of Indian involvement in Balochistan had been provided by Pakistan, and that the allegations made by Pakistan lacked credibility, as Baloch rebels had been fighting with "ineffectual small arms".[180]

India has categorically denied the allegations, pointing to Pakistan's failure to provide evidence.[176]

Brahamdagh Bugti stated in a 2008 interview that he would accept aid from India, Afghanistan, and Iran in defending Balochistan.[181] When asked about the alleged links between his group and India, he is reported to have laughed and said, "Would our people live amid such miserable conditions if we enjoyed support from India?"[182] Baloch National Front secretary Karima Baloch claims that the allegations against India are an "excuse to label [the] ingrown Balochistan freedom movement as a proxy war to cover up the war crimes [the] Pakistani state has committed in Balochistan".[183]

2. The US State Department's official policy rejects secessionist forces in the Pakistani part of Balochistan, in support of the country's "unity and territorial integrity".[203] The US has, however, expressed concerns over human rights issues and urged parties in Pakistan to "work out their differences peaceably and through a valid political process."[203] In February 2010 a Jundullah leader captured by Iran, Abdulmalek Rigi, alleged on Iranian TV "that the US had promised to provide" Jundullah "with military equipment and a base in Afghanistan, near the Iranian border" for its fight against Iran. Rigi did not mention assistance in fighting Pakistan (which Iran accuses of backing the Jundullah, according to the BBC). The US has denied links with Jundullah, and according to the BBC, "it is not possible" to determine whether Abdolmalek Rigi "made the statement freely or under duress."[204]
USA has also designated Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) as a global terrorist organization on 2 July 2019.[58]

3. In late 2011, the Balochistan conflict became the focus of dialogue on a new US South Asia strategy brought up by some US congressmen, who said they were frustrated over Pakistan's alleged continued support to the Afghan Taliban, which they said led to the continuation of the War in Afghanistan. Although this alternative to the Obama Administration's Af-Pak policy has generated some interest, "its advocates clearly do not yet have broad support".[205]

Human rights issues​


Main article: Human rights violations in Balochistan

Human Right Organisations have held Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) responsible for ethnic cleansing in the province as Brahamdagh Bugti (alleged leader of BLA), during a TV interview on 15 April 2009, urged separatists to kill non-Baloch residing in Balochistan. His actions allegedly lead to the death of 500 non-Baloch citizens in the province.[216] According to The Economist around 800 non-Baloch settlers and Baloch have been killed by Baloch militant groups since 2006.[59][60][61] Similarly, Human Right Watch have also held Baloch militants groups like Baloch liberation army (BLA) and Balochistan Liberation United Front (BLUF) to be responsible for attacks on schools, teachers and students in the province.[217] As a result, many teachers have sought transfer to secure areas such as Quetta or have moved out of province entirely.[218] Separatist militants groups have also claimed responsibility for attacking and killing Journalists in the province.[219][220][221][222] Apart from Human Right Organisations, Baloch separatists themselves have accused each other of being involved in Human right violations.[212]

In the period 2003 to 2012, it is estimated that 8000 people were abducted by Pakistani security forces in Balochistan.[59] In 2008 alone, more than 1100 Baloch people disappeared.[223] There have also been reports of torture.[224] An increasing number of bodies "with burn marks, broken limbs, nails pulled out, and sometimes with holes drilled in their heads" are being found on roadsides as the result of a "kill and dump" campaign allegedly conducted by Pakistani security forces, particularly Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and the Frontier Corps (FC).[225][226] A 2013 report from the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan identified ISI and Frontier Corps as the perpetrators for many disappearances, while noting a more cooperative stance from these agencies in recent years as perceived by local police forces.[227] The Pakistan Rangers are also alleged to have committed a vast number of human rights violations in the region.[228] No one has been held responsible for the crimes.[225] However, Pakistani security officials have rejected all the allegations made against them. Major General Obaid Ullah Khan claim that Baloch militants are using Frontier Corps (FC) uniform to kidnap people and malign the good name of Frontier Corps. Baloch militants have also been found using military uniform which resembles the one used by Frontier Corps while carrying out their activities.[229] A senior Pakistani provincial security official claims that missing person figures are 'exaggerated', that 'in Balochistan, insurgents, immigrants who fled to Europe and even those who have been killed in military operations are declared as missing persons'.[230] Reports have shown that many people have fled the province to seek asylum in other countries because of the unrest caused by separatist militants.

Militant groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi have systematically targeted Shia Muslims in Balochistan, with about 600 being killed in attacks in recent years.[59][231][232][233]

During a camp at Broken Chair, Geneva, Baloch Republican Party (BRP) leader Sher Baz Bugti alleged that Baloch youth, women and children were kept in "torture cells". BRP chief Brahumdagh Bugti called upon human rights organisation, including the United Nations, to take steps to stop the alleged "Baloch genocide".[234]

You just threw the book at them. 🤣
I am not resident.

It's an ethno nationalist movement. They believe that the centre ( basically Punjab) has oppressed them and stifled their culture and potential.

They want independence. Honestly though despite these graphic attacks the actual size and scale of the movement is not too large. It's less an insurgency and more just a handful of militants.

Tbh if you are a non Punjabi you in Pakistan it's likely you will harbour some resentments.

Thanks bro.
This could be compared with Khalistan movement in Bharat in the 1980s

However for the sikhs, it was more of an ego to have a country in the name of their religion. It can’t be effectively proven that sikhs have ever been oppressed as they have always held high positions in the government and in all major fields. Sikhs have historically remained among the most well to do community in Bharat.

Can you give me some knowledge about Baloch people and about their representation in the Pakistan government, departments and business. They already live in a Muslim nation. So they want the money and power. Do they not have an adequate proportion of it at present.
 
You just threw the book at them. 🤣


Thanks bro.
This could be compared with Khalistan movement in Bharat in the 1980s

However for the sikhs, it was more of an ego to have a country in the name of their religion. It can’t be effectively proven that sikhs have ever been oppressed as they have always held high positions in the government and in all major fields. Sikhs have historically remained among the most well to do community in Bharat.

Can you give me some knowledge about Baloch people and about their representation in the Pakistan government, departments and business. They already live in a Muslim nation. So they want the money and power. Do they not have an adequate proportion of it at present.
It's got nothing to do with religion it is very much ethno nationalism. I think they are under represented for sure but I don't have enough information.

When you travel across Pakistan apart from Punjab and Karachi most of the country is under developed. People in those regions generally see it as the fault of a government and army dominated by Punjabis.
 
It's got nothing to do with religion it is very much ethno nationalism. I think they are under represented for sure but I don't have enough information.

When you travel across Pakistan apart from Punjab and Karachi most of the country is under developed. People in those regions generally see it as the fault of a government and army dominated by Punjabis.

Bro, i am a Punjabi and i can say it openly that we are a very average community in 2024. We talk loud, show off, usually aggressive but have very little to offer to the community today.

I am glad that we have certain business minded communities in Bharat that have been able to grow big businesses. Its good for Bharat that Punjab is one of the smaller provinces because if we were bigger we would have dominated like what is happening in Pakistan.

I am happy that in Bharat, Punjabis are taking care of the entertainment industry and can be relied upon in military services and in agriculture. Apart from that I seriously question myself what value do we offer to our country.
 
Sindhis are known for being a business savvy community’s how have they done historically in Pakistan compared to Punjabis.
 
Bro, i am a Punjabi and i can say it openly that we are a very average community in 2024. We talk loud, show off, usually aggressive but have very little to offer to the community today.

I am glad that we have certain business minded communities in Bharat that have been able to grow big businesses. Its good for Bharat that Punjab is one of the smaller provinces because if we were bigger we would have dominated like what is happening in Pakistan.

I am happy that in Bharat, Punjabis are taking care of the entertainment industry and can be relied upon in military services and in agriculture. Apart from that I seriously question myself what value do we offer to our country.
Unfortunately the situation of the Punjabis of Indian Occupied Punjab is complete capitulation. What was once the jewel of the subcontinent has been reduced to a culture of singing and dancing

We are doing a better job on our side but have perhaps went too far in the other direction.
 
Unfortunately the situation of the Punjabis of Indian Occupied Punjab is complete capitulation. What was once the jewel of the subcontinent has been reduced to a culture of singing and dancing

We are doing a better job on our side but have perhaps went too far in the other direction.
Yes doing ur best in begging from country to country for any kind of aid ,atleast indian side is not going in the same direction as yours.
 
Unfortunately the situation of the Punjabis of Indian Occupied Punjab is complete capitulation. What was once the jewel of the subcontinent has been reduced to a culture of singing and dancing

We are doing a better job on our side but have perhaps went too far in the other direction.

We are exactly the same and are headed for disaster.

In Pakistan there is no other community strong enough to balance out the disastrous ways of the Punjabis. So Punjabis, although remain in power , but they’re not going to be adding any value to Pakistan as a nation. This is where we in Bharat are in a much better situation, we as a community the Punjabis totally suck today but our Gujju brothers and others in the South (who have their own negatives) balance out our negatives to take Bharat ahead as a country.
 
Unfortunately the situation of the Punjabis of Indian Occupied Punjab is complete capitulation. What was once the jewel of the subcontinent has been reduced to a culture of singing and dancing

We are doing a better job on our side but have perhaps went too far in the other direction.
Indian Occupied Punjab? From where you guys even invent these terms? :uakmal

Indian Occupied Kashmir, Indian Occupied Punjab, Indian Occupied South India - Pakistani's seems to care a lot about these things.

What they need to really care about is Pakistan Occupied England and aim to not make it another Pakistan.
 
RIP to innocent lives lost.

Pakistan seems to be a lost cause, if you are educated best option is to migrate to greener pastures.

The only way for Pakistan as a nation to thrive is to do Iran style revolution against their corrupt military and politicians, but that won’t be happening anytime.
 
Bro can you please elaborate as we don’t understand it in such short sentences.

Thanks in advance Bewal bhai ji
We are ruled by a lawless Junta that needs it's CJP Isa to continue in his rule so that he gives legal protection to the criminality. The CJP is due to retire on OCTOBER 26th and the only way he can continue is through a constitutional amendment. So for the last 3 months they have worked on an amendment. This has meant that all these criminals have focused on this and not on PKs security. The Qazi is a crook and he is the legal protection they need for their kidnappings, murder and theft of the election
 
Does anybody have a pie chart representation of the Pakistani army? I know Punjabis are probably the majority, but what about the rest? Sindhis, Pathans, Baluchs, Kashmiris?
 
Does anybody have a pie chart representation of the Pakistani army? I know Punjabis are probably the majority, but what about the rest? Sindhis, Pathans, Baluchs, Kashmiris?
I don't know if these charts exist.

But it's irrelevant. It's the perception that matters to people in other provinces.

Post Musharaff all army chiefs have been ethnically Punjabi and that's enough for people to decide who rules it.
 
I don't know if these charts exist.

But it's irrelevant. It's the perception that matters to people in other provinces.

Post Musharaff all army chiefs have been ethnically Punjabi and that's enough for people to decide who rules it.

Hugging General Bajwa proved to be costly for Navjot Singh Sidhu (Sherry).
 
Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi visits Balochistan day after attacks, vows to stand behind CM

Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi on Tuesday vowed to stand behind Balochistan Chief Minister Sarfraz Bugti’s government regarding its counterterrorism strategy, a day after horrific attacks across Balochistan claimed at least 50 lives, including 14 security men.

In the latest flare-up of violence, dozens of militants affiliated with the banned Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) — a separatist outfit — launched numerous attacks on Sunday midnight across Balochistan, targeting security personnel as well as civilians, particularly those hailing from Punjab.

At least 50 people, including 14 security men, lost their lives as militants went on a rampage across the province, storming police stations, blowing up railway tracks, and setting fire to almost three dozen vehicles.

Addressing the media in Quetta flanked by CM Bugti, Naqvi said: “My aim to visit is to let you all and the people of Balochistan know that the federal interior minister is standing behind the Balochistan chief minister.

“Whatever decision he (Bugti) makes, we will support him,” the interior minister affirmed.

In Musakhail, militants killed 23 people after checking their ID documents. In Khadkocha, they blocked a highway, stormed a police station, and held Levies officials hostage.

In Kalat, attacks on a Levies station, two hotels, and a tribal elder’s residence left 11 dead and nine injured. Meanwhile, six bodies were found in Bolan’s Kolpur area, believed to have been shot by militants. In response, security forces neutralised 21 militants, as CM Bugti and the interior minister vowed to eliminate terrorism in the province.

“Everyone — [including] the president, prime minister, and the army chief — is concerned for Balochistan and is working towards a solution,” Naqvi told the media today.

He highlighted that although there was a federal cabinet meeting earlier today — which was supposed to be attended by federal ministers, including him — Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif told him to visit Balochistan instead.

“While some actions may be apparent to you, some are under way at the backend, which the chief minister himself is leading,” Naqvi said.

The interior minister reiterated that the federal government would provide the Balochistan CM with whatever support he needed: “There is full support from the federation. The interior ministry is his own.”

Stating that the entire leadership was in deep grief over the recent attacks, Naqvi asserted, “Such incidents are absolutely intolerable.

“Together, we will close the door to these incidents. Those thinking that they can relay their message or scare us by these incidents will soon receive a ‘good message’.”

The interior minister said the provincial government was alert. “About the current approach, even your biggest enemy is saying that the Balochistan government has never before taken this approach,” he quipped.

He assailed the terrorists for “carrying out attacks while in hiding”, stating that they should have had the courage to “come face to face” with the security forces.

Speaking about the government’s future action, Naqvi said: “There is no need for any operation; they only need an SHO’s (station house officer’s) response and they will [remain at that level].”

“They are terrorists and our civil armed forces, armed forces, and the police know how to combat them,” the minister asserted.

Speaking alongside Naqvi, CM Bugti said the hunt for terrorists was under way.

Source: Dawn News
 
By supporting the killing of innocent Pakistanis?
No normal human with decent upbringing will cheer or supoort innocent people getting killed. The point most are making is- Balochistan insurgency would be a big enough topic, internet issues in 2024 should be a big deal, an ex Pm being in jail, economic recession etc would be burning issues but still the most diecussed topics that some typical Pak posters her get a zing over is- why Hindus have problem with beef, Modi is a butcher, some crime incident in India and only have juvenile takes that lack any depth or real world analysis.

You will see posters who probably can’t name more than 2-3 states in India will give their 2 cents on those topics just to get a raise out of Indian posters.

Even now you are concerned what Indians think or if their sympathy is genuine or not rather than giving any educated take on this subject.

RIP to the victims
 
Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi visits Balochistan day after attacks, vows to stand behind CM

Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi on Tuesday vowed to stand behind Balochistan Chief Minister Sarfraz Bugti’s government regarding its counterterrorism strategy, a day after horrific attacks across Balochistan claimed at least 50 lives, including 14 security men.

In the latest flare-up of violence, dozens of militants affiliated with the banned Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) — a separatist outfit — launched numerous attacks on Sunday midnight across Balochistan, targeting security personnel as well as civilians, particularly those hailing from Punjab.

At least 50 people, including 14 security men, lost their lives as militants went on a rampage across the province, storming police stations, blowing up railway tracks, and setting fire to almost three dozen vehicles.

Addressing the media in Quetta flanked by CM Bugti, Naqvi said: “My aim to visit is to let you all and the people of Balochistan know that the federal interior minister is standing behind the Balochistan chief minister.

“Whatever decision he (Bugti) makes, we will support him,” the interior minister affirmed.

In Musakhail, militants killed 23 people after checking their ID documents. In Khadkocha, they blocked a highway, stormed a police station, and held Levies officials hostage.

In Kalat, attacks on a Levies station, two hotels, and a tribal elder’s residence left 11 dead and nine injured. Meanwhile, six bodies were found in Bolan’s Kolpur area, believed to have been shot by militants. In response, security forces neutralised 21 militants, as CM Bugti and the interior minister vowed to eliminate terrorism in the province.

“Everyone — [including] the president, prime minister, and the army chief — is concerned for Balochistan and is working towards a solution,” Naqvi told the media today.

He highlighted that although there was a federal cabinet meeting earlier today — which was supposed to be attended by federal ministers, including him — Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif told him to visit Balochistan instead.

“While some actions may be apparent to you, some are under way at the backend, which the chief minister himself is leading,” Naqvi said.

The interior minister reiterated that the federal government would provide the Balochistan CM with whatever support he needed: “There is full support from the federation. The interior ministry is his own.”

Stating that the entire leadership was in deep grief over the recent attacks, Naqvi asserted, “Such incidents are absolutely intolerable.

“Together, we will close the door to these incidents. Those thinking that they can relay their message or scare us by these incidents will soon receive a ‘good message’.”

The interior minister said the provincial government was alert. “About the current approach, even your biggest enemy is saying that the Balochistan government has never before taken this approach,” he quipped.

He assailed the terrorists for “carrying out attacks while in hiding”, stating that they should have had the courage to “come face to face” with the security forces.

Speaking about the government’s future action, Naqvi said: “There is no need for any operation; they only need an SHO’s (station house officer’s) response and they will [remain at that level].”

“They are terrorists and our civil armed forces, armed forces, and the police know how to combat them,” the minister asserted.

Speaking alongside Naqvi, CM Bugti said the hunt for terrorists was under way.

Source: Dawn News
Naqvi has seen it all.

Start of the week he was giving updates on why Pakistan lost to Bangladesh. Now he is developing a counter terrorism strategy in Baluchistan.

It must get confusing. Hopefully he doesn't get mixed up and prepares a green pitch in quetta and assigns the army to target Bangladesh team.
 
RIP to all innocent who lost their lives.

I don't believe this is all Pakistan's fault, the matter is not in Pakistan's hand imo.

Americans and Indians have their own proxies working in Balochistan to disrupt whatever Chinese interests that are present in Balochistan.

Whatever projects the Chinese are doing or start in Balochistan is bound to fail or always will see dangerous twists/turns.
 
RIP to all innocent who lost their lives.

I don't believe this is all Pakistan's fault, the matter is not in Pakistan's hand imo.

Americans and Indians have their own proxies working in Balochistan to disrupt whatever Chinese interests that are present in Balochistan.

Whatever projects the Chinese are doing or start in Balochistan is bound to fail or always will see dangerous twists/turns.
This.
Only a naive and sheltered individual would believe that this insurgency is not supported by any foreign entity. To discern who might be involved, one should examine those who stand to benefit.
 
RIP to all innocent who lost their lives.

I don't believe this is all Pakistan's fault, the matter is not in Pakistan's hand imo.

Americans and Indians have their own proxies working in Balochistan to disrupt whatever Chinese interests that are present in Balochistan.

Whatever projects the Chinese are doing or start in Balochistan is bound to fail or always will see dangerous twists/turns.
USA does not want Chinese presence there. China wants easy access to the natural resources of Balochistan. I am sure USA wants a piece of those resources.
 
Just get rid of that useless cm bugti

Appoint a governor raj declared martial law In the province , bring the military in large numbers with tanks aircraft and full weapons on a war front and kick backsides also same time seal the Afghan border invest in mini drones which have been used effectively in ukraine they can enter trenches caves and holes and bring down ordinance someone sitting 100s of miles away in an truck trailer could operate one it's 24/7 surveillance.
 
USA does not want Chinese presence there. China wants easy access to the natural resources of Balochistan. I am sure USA wants a piece .

I dont think the Americans have any resource interest in Balochistan.

Chinese are using the corridor via Balochistan for supply routes which is why they are or want to heavily invest in infrastructure there. China knows during a war scenario the Malacca straits will easily be cut off by the Indians/Americans.

If Malacca is choked then China will be out of power in a matter of possibly 3 days which will pretty much end them. China wants an alternate passage and the Americans and Indians will disrupt that with their assets in Afghanistan, balochistan and Pakistan.


China is in a lot of trouble.
 
No normal human with decent upbringing will cheer or supoort innocent people getting killed. The point most are making is- Balochistan insurgency would be a big enough topic, internet issues in 2024 should be a big deal, an ex Pm being in jail, economic recession etc would be burning issues but still the most diecussed topics that some typical Pak posters her get a zing over is- why Hindus have problem with beef, Modi is a butcher, some crime incident in India and only have juvenile takes that lack any depth or real world analysis.

You will see posters who probably can’t name more than 2-3 states in India will give their 2 cents on those topics just to get a raise out of Indian posters.

Even now you are concerned what Indians think or if their sympathy is genuine or not rather than giving any educated take on this subject.

RIP to the victims


Brother,

You will hardly find any Pakistanis supporting an internet ban. Open a thread, and you'll see many criticizing it.

The majority of Pakistanis are critical of the current government formed after the 2018 elections—just open a thread, and you'll witness widespread criticism.

Similarly, the majority are critical of Imran Khan’s imprisonment. Again, open a thread, and you'll see many expressing their discontent.

You might not yet have encountered a significant group that supports the Pakistani Army. This isn’t the 1980s or 1990s anymore.

The majority of Pakistanis are openly critical of the country's economic situation. Open a thread, and you'll rarely find anyone attempting to portray Pakistan as a superpower.

When most Pakistanis share a common understanding of who is responsible for the nation’s problems, there’s little room for counterarguments in support of the intelligence agencies and the army, which is why there's less traffic on forums. However, if you explore social media, you'll find almost every Pakistani criticizing those they hold accountable for the country's issues.

In contrast, when Hindutva supremacists attempt to defend bigotry, it naturally generates pushback, leading to more traffic. I assumed this was common knowledge. Stop defending and supporting bigots, and you won’t see as much traffic.
 
In contrast, when Hindutva supremacists attempt to defend bigotry, it naturally generates pushback, leading to more traffic. I assumed this was common knowledge. Stop defending and supporting bigots, and you won’t see as much traffic.
again, this is exactly what I am Ponting out. “Hindutva bigotry” doesn’t affect your day to day life as a Pakistani/ overseas Pakistani. Sure you can discuss Indian politics but I have seen the top 5 threads being Modi, Indian economy etc etc on days when critical s was going down in Pak. That’s what I am pointing out. I see a lot of word salad from you on these topics related to India but on a topic related to a conflict/insurgency in your own country you can’t think beyond juvenile points like Amreeka/Raw/China ki saazish or have totally given up on Imran Khan your favorite leader. Anyway don’t want to derail. I will still wait on an educated take on the origin of the conflict or how it has been handled.
 
again, this is exactly what I am Ponting out. “Hindutva bigotry” doesn’t affect your day to day life as a Pakistani/ overseas Pakistani. Sure you can discuss Indian politics but I have seen the top 5 threads being Modi, Indian economy etc etc on days when critical s was going down in Pak. That’s what I am pointing out. I see a lot of word salad from you on these topics related to India but on a topic related to a conflict/insurgency in your own country you can’t think beyond juvenile points like Amreeka/Raw/China ki saazish or have totally given up on Imran Khan your favorite leader. Anyway don’t want to derail. I will still wait on an educated take on the origin of the conflict or how it has been handled.
Could you please clarify how you would prefer us to comment?

It seems that you’re frustrated with the fact that Pakistanis are highlighting the geopolitical dimensions of the conflict in Baluchistan while also criticizing the Pakistani government, Army, and intelligence agencies for their lack of intent to resolve it, their involvement in the economy, the alleged rigging of previous elections, and their focus on suppressing the largest 'awami' political party.

Have I understood your position correctly?

If so, are you aware of how your comment might come across as both unreasonable and uninformed? However, I can understand why this might be the case, many Indians may find it difficult to believe, or prefer not to acknowledge, that their government could be involved in terrorism in other countries.
 
One politically motivated comment in Bharat would have led to a 10 page discussion by now and you have Muslims killing Muslims in Pakistan in terrorist acts and it doesn’t even seem to be a news here. The only reasonable explanation is that they know the kind of real oppression that the Baloch have faced for decades. They want to talk about Kashmiris only who are 100 times prosperous both sides across the border. Pakistanis create their own world in their mind and live in denial and delusions about the realities of the world but feel entitled to talk about the smallest of irregularities in Bharat.

You specifically asked non-resident Pakistanis to stay out of the discussion as you wanted views from the ground. There aren't that many active posters from inside Pakistan itself.
 
again, this is exactly what I am Ponting out. “Hindutva bigotry” doesn’t affect your day to day life as a Pakistani/ overseas Pakistani. Sure you can discuss Indian politics but I have seen the top 5 threads being Modi, Indian economy etc etc on days when critical s was going down in Pak. That’s what I am pointing out. I see a lot of word salad from you on these topics related to India but on a topic related to a conflict/insurgency in your own country you can’t think beyond juvenile points like Amreeka/Raw/China ki saazish or have totally given up on Imran Khan your favorite leader. Anyway don’t want to derail. I will still wait on an educated take on the origin of the conflict or how it has been handled.
You are certainly not derailing this thread. Rather, you are contributing to uncovering the insincere displays of concern present here and helping to discuss those responsible for supporting terrorism in Baluchistan. It's quite understandable why many Indians might feel uncomfortable when the geopolitical aspects of this conflict are highlighted, as it challenges the sanitized narrative India often presents regarding its regional conflicts with neighboring countries.

So please carry on.
 
Lol at people blaming India.
These attacks are exactly what the army establishment wants. Make it seem like Pakistan is under threat - makes people turn to the army - all of the past becomes forgotten.
Pak army has been doing this for 75 years come on guys it ain't rocket science.
Groups like TTP, TLP etc are all under Pak Army's control.
 
Lol at people blaming India.
These attacks are exactly what the army establishment wants. Make it seem like Pakistan is under threat - makes people turn to the army - all of the past becomes forgotten.
Pak army has been doing this for 75 years come on guys it ain't rocket science.
Groups like TTP, TLP etc are all under Pak Army's control.

Yes, well, that approach clearly isn't working, is it? If you check any social media platform or listen to any genuine political commentator, you'll find widespread criticism of the Pakistani Army. The consensus is that they seem more intent on using their resources to suppress a political party rather than focusing on combating terrorism within Pakistan's borders.
 
RIP to innocents and why is Naqvi everywhere? This man should not be sitting in cricket capacity.
 
This.
Only a naive and sheltered individual would believe that this insurgency is not supported by any foreign entity. To discern who might be involved, one should examine those who stand to benefit.

Are you from Pakistan? Pay taxes in Pakistan or are you an overseas Pakistani?
 
You specifically asked non-resident Pakistanis to stay out of the discussion as you wanted views from the ground. There aren't that many active posters from inside Pakistan itself.

Actually I realized later that Balochistan as a topic is heavily censored in Pakistan. Maybe there were internet and news shut downs or people in general are just not willing to comment on a topic that could get them in trouble.

Thanks for your insights however. They’re valuable. Usually British Pakistanis confuse things in such threads but you’ve posted very sincerely. Kudos
 
A random Pakistani perspective -

Kashmiri maange azaadi - they have all the right to get independence

Palestine wants freedom - they must get a separate state

Khalistan maange azaadi - they must get a separate country

Balochistan wants freedom - India is to be blamed

:smith
 
A random Pakistani perspective -

Kashmiri maange azaadi - they have all the right to get independence

Palestine wants freedom - they must get a separate state

Khalistan maange azaadi - they must get a separate country

Balochistan wants freedom - India is to be blamed

:smith
It’s evident that your attempts to defend India have not showcased the sharpest insights, but I must admit, your comments are always intriguing to read, and it’s particularly interesting to see who aligns with your views.

Regarding Balochistan, as you pointed out, it, like other regions, seeks independence from Pakistan, and understandably so, given the historical grievances against the Punjab-dominated leadership that controls the country. However, the real issue under discussion is the external support for terrorism in Pakistan, particularly by those backing Baloch separatists, which has resulted in the tragic loss of innocent Pakistani lives.

I encourage you to stay focused on the topic at hand. It’s not always necessary to join a discussion if the nuances are unclear, perhaps it would be best to let others more familiar with the subject defend India’s position.
 
A random Pakistani perspective -

Kashmiri maange azaadi - they have all the right to get independence

Palestine wants freedom - they must get a separate state

Khalistan maange azaadi - they must get a separate country

Balochistan wants freedom - India is to be blamed

:smith
And who does India blame for Kashmir and Khalistan liberation movements brother?
 
And who does India blame for Kashmir and Khalistan liberation movements brother?

India blames organizations that have taken responsibility for terrorist attacks in Kashmir and Punjab. These organizations are also banned by UN and prescribed as terrorist organization.

India supporting secessionist movement in Balochistan is a unproven and figment of imagination by some.
 
Where is Khusra Nadeem? He needs to stop tapping phones and cracking WhatsApp messaged and do his bloody job. The job of the ISI is to protect PK not try to rule it
 
Unproven does not necessarily mean untrue, it simply indicates that the evidence has not yet been substantiated. The people of Pakistan also hold their government and establishment accountable for failing to actively pursue and present their case regarding India's involvement.
 
He like many others, consistently raised serious concerns about the escalating situation in Balochistan, warning years ago that the region's poverty and underdevelopment required immediate attention. The solution does not lie in permitting Chinese projects to take precedence; rather, it necessitates a comprehensive approach to tackle the dire issues of hunger, healthcare, education, and infrastructure.

It's not the responsibility of Chinese businesses and their workers to help the Balochs, it's the responsibility of the govt. & establishment. Yet, instead of implementing sustainable solutions, the nation continues to resort to short-sighted, face-saving measures, exacerbating the crisis by responding to Balochistan's plight with further conflict.

 
Ain't the org. Kidnapped or trapped Baloch protesters from Gwadar a fortnight ago , so this might be reaction of that incident.

Alot of questions for siqahsalar
 
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