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"Mark my words, Virat Kohli will make 400 runs in a Test match" : Kapil Dev

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Former India legend Kapil Dev has tipped Virat Kohli to break West Indian cricketer Brian Lara's record of scoring 400 runs in a test. Kohli who is the captain of India's test team, recently scored his maiden double ton, when he smashed 200 against West Indies during their innings and 92 run win at Antigua. Lara, who is one of the greatest batsmen in cricketing history, holds the world record for the highest individual score by a batsman scoring 400* against England in 2004.

Dev, who is regarded as one the greatest all-rounders of the game, led India to the 1983 World Cup win. He feels that if there is one person who can break the record then it is the current Indian test skipper.

"Mark my words. Virat Kohli will make 400 runs in a test match. Remember I said this first. There has been tremendous improvement in Kohli. Still I would say, at his age Sachin Tendulkar was more talented. But then he had that mental block. He would get to a hundred and then get into a rut. But Kohli is a type who will tear an attack apart," Kapil said as quoted by zeenews.

"With so many test matches coming up this season (India will play 17 this season), I am sure Kohli will find the perfect pitch on which he could threaten the world record 401. I know many pitches will be turners in the home season, but I am sure Kohli will get one or two perfect pitches. I am sure one day soon the record will be in danger," he added.

Kohli, who is 27 years old, has played 42 test matches so far, scoring 3,194 runs at an average of 46.28 with 12 centuries to his name with a top score of 200.

Source: https://in.news.yahoo.com/virat-kohli-break-brian-laras-082852495.html
 
This has put unnecessary pressure on Kohli! (Or will he overcome this pressure also like he does usually with "pressures")
 
Nope. Kohli can't cross 400.

Only Indian batsman who could have done it was..... Sehwag.

Honestly speaking, in all these years, I never understood how Sehwag succeeded in test with his reckless attitude.
 
400 won't happen, but one can understand why Kapil rates Kohli and not SRT.

Kohli is mentally too strong, better under pressure and a leader.
 
He has to be really selfish to do that.

Sehwag was the last player who could break the record keeping team's interests in mind (or keeping nothing in mind :P).
 
Not everybody can be selfish like Lara to break that record.
 
He will not score neither will he allow anyone to score 400 while he's the captain as that would kill the possibility of a result.
 
I don't think any player would get this unless first team bat their way out and post a mammoth score and 2nd team get to bat for 2+ days, meaningless Test match; and VK in particular who is an aggressive captain, would put his team ahead of himself, would never go for personal milestones like this
 
No chance

He doesn't have the patience for it

Maybe it's changing now a bit but generally he doesn't seem a guy who can stay on the wicket for a couple of days
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
He will not score neither will he allow anyone to score 400 while he's the captain as that would kill the possibility of a result.
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Imagine an opponent team has scored 300-350 on a flat pitch. Then India need to score at least 600 to be safe (and if it is possible). There's a very very remote chance (only if he bats at least at No.3 and outscore all others)

I am not sure how Lara's innings are fully selfish! Both big scores came in the 1st innings on the Test Match where setting the target was needed.

But I am sure in Kohli's case it can never happen in 1st innings (he won't allow! Even if he is not a captain, he will probably try to step-up the run-rate if the captain has not declared), the best chance is 2nd innings as I explained above!
 
Only way he can score 400 is bowling first bundling out the oppo in the first session and batting long and hard in second innings after coming to the crease fairly early and then grinding out 1.5 session on Day1, and then entire Day 2 batting @ 4rpo and then into Day 3.


Or India batting first bundled out in first session, oppo bundled out in second session and India batting again on Day1 3rd Session, losing 2 wickets and Kohli coming in and batting Days 2 & 3.

Not gonna happen.
 
Kohli is far from it. Generally we predict such things about those players who either score 300+ at good rate or at least score big runs consistently. Kohli has just got a double.
 
He might score a triple but he will not break Lara's record simply because Kohli is an aggressive captain who won't let himself or any other batsman chase a record which is completely useless for his team.
 
Although the patience, mental fortitude and downright luck required to accomplish a feat like this is off the charts, it is, in theory, comparitively very possible to achieve in a match such as the one that is currently ongoing between WI and IND.

Weak team get bundled out in two sessions on day 1. Stronger team then has at least seven sessions (provided good weather forecast) to be able to pile on runs, and attempt to go for an individual world record, should somebody be set to do so. Infact, against this WI team, it's arguable that leaving 3.5 sessions to bowl them out is more than suffice, giving the stronger team 9-ish sessions to bat for records.

Weak team under scoreboard pressure and deteriorating pitch would then oblige to get routed again in the second innings.

Easy!!
 
The Lara innings was selfish and Kohli has a great chance to break it. The chances are that it will be broken on the subcontinent because on the First 3 days wickets generally give no help to any bowler.
 
The_Odd_One said:
He might score a triple but he will not break Lara's record simply because Kohli is an aggressive captain who won't let himself or any other batsman chase a record which is completely useless for his team.
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Pretty much this. That 400 was selfish and meaningless knock. I hope Kohli or other captains don't go for such things.
 
RamLakhan said:
Imagine an opponent team has scored 300-350 on a flat pitch. Then India need to score at least 600 to be safe (and if it is possible). There's a very very remote chance (only if he bats at least at No.3 and outscore all others)

I am not sure how Lara's innings are fully selfish! Both big scores came in the 1st innings on the Test Match where setting the target was needed.

But I am sure in Kohli's case it can never happen in 1st innings (he won't allow! Even if he is not a captain, he will probably try to step-up the run-rate if the captain has not declared), the best chance is 2nd innings as I explained above!
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Because the WI unnecessarily batted over 200 overs for Lara to achieve that score.

Normally teams playing for a result score big runs in first innings of a test match and declare in the middle of 6th session to give their bowlers a crack at the opposition during the final few overs of Day 2.

However, here WI kept batting even for one additional session on day 3.

It's no wonder that the match ended as a boring and dull draw only dedicated to Lara 's 400.

Compare Lara's innings with that of Clarke 329* against India. Clarke could have kept batting and increase his personal score as well as the target for his team but he declared as soon as he realized that there are enough runs on the board and bowlers should get maximum overs to dismiss the Indian team.
 
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such a random comment.. especially kohli hasn't shown any affinity to play marathon inning.
 
Itachi said:
Nope. Kohli can't cross 400.

Only Indian batsman who could have done it was..... Sehwag.

Honestly speaking, in all these years, I never understood how Sehwag succeeded in test with his reckless attitude.
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Yup never understood either.. How come a player as aggressive as him managed to score those runs?

The scary part is he could play those innings while leaving enough time for the team to win the match!!
 
street cricketer said:
Hope he doesn't do that.
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Even if he does it, it won't be as much respectable as much it was for Lara unless and until he crosses 500 and makes a new record, batting nowadays and in those days; their lies a big difference.

However
if breaks the record in UAE
or
breaks it with a very cool strike rate
or
makes it on a difficult pitch
or
against a team like Australia, England or Pakistan

then it would probably be miles better then Lara...Kholi do have the guts to do so!
 
Y'all didn't realize it but Kapil paa ji just awoke something inside Kohli here.

I am sure Kapil was watching him bat and like the rest of us imagined that he can break all Lara/SRT's records if he puts his mind in it.

By this random comment Kapil has set an idea inside Kohli's mind ;)
 
Hmm... Probably WI Cricket Fans doesn't care for team's win much (or not patriotic enough! They may just enjoy both team's win & individual's record on the same line). WI Cricket is close to Club Format (Just that they play as a team together while playing international cricket).

On the other hand if anyone from India (or other nations) try to score 400 (which is possible sometimes like the Clarke example above) I am sure at least 75% notion will be against this and there will be severe criticism which will be hard to bear! So if someone has to score this, he has very limited chance (because Captain would not allow, team management would not allow, match situation won't allow). So this should almost happen in a case where the team is winning and personal milestone made at the same time (Like India needs 700 runs in the 4th innings with 4.5 or 5 sessions left! Some real miraculous innings!!!)
 
Well who can actually break this record in the next five years or so?
I'd like to ask [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=57110]JibranAnsari[/MENTION]
 
I can see Rohit Sharma doing it on a flat indian pitch. Kohli maybe not now, but never impossible.
 
Very unlikely, has a tendency to play a lot of risky shots away from his body.

Still hasn't shown the discipline to negotiate the outswinger.
 
No he can't. His double ton is the only big score he has had in 5 years of test cricket. He hasn't shown the temperament to be a true ATG in this format. Even Pujara who looked like he was gonna score those big hundreds and doubles has fallen off the radar.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Joe Root.
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To scoree 400 or even 300 you need tenperment. Even though joe root got that 200 against us that day, but i still believe he lacks the temperment to get this record,because of the way he threw his wicket in the first test match.

Although, he is talented and has all the right shots to get that mark, plus he is also a person who learns from his mistakes really fast. But still needs some time.

I think cook could get this, but an indian batsmen has a better chance. Indian cricketers get that temperment from school cricket.

So kapil is not wrong, kohli could get this mark who knows.
 
super hitter said:
Even if he does it, it won't be as much respectable as much it was for Lara unless and until he crosses 500 and makes a new record, batting nowadays and in those days; their lies a big difference.

However
if breaks the record in UAE
or
breaks it with a very cool strike rate
or
makes it on a difficult pitch
or
against a team like Australia, England or Pakistan

then it would probably be miles better then Lara...Kholi do have the guts to do so!
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It's a useless record imo. Very scant chance that such a record will give a result for the match.
 
street cricketer said:
It's a useless record imo. Very scant chance that such a record will give a result for the match.
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Useless record for a team, but for a player this is the best record to prove that you are best amongest the best.

I know people will disagree with me and say it doesnt contribute to the team etc...
 
Major said:
Useless record for a team, but for a player this is the best record to prove that you are best amongest the best.

I know people will disagree with me and say it doesnt contribute to the team etc...
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I don't think so.

Lara doesn't need that record to prove that he is a great Test player. Just an example, the way Clarke was batting at Sydney against our powder puff pacers, I was sure he would get a 500 if he hadn't declared. But he declared 5 runs short of the 334 score of the Don, and ended up winning that test match.

That record is as significant as the 952 score record set by the Sri Lankan team. Nobody tells that Sri Lanka is the best amongst the best because of that record.
 
He will not. Kohli is always looking for wins and will be satisfied more by impactful 150s more than useless 400s.
 
Sehwag! Sehwag could have done it.

Nobody else in India can even score a 220 at the moment.
 
If we take out Bradman, most other records can be broken and if Lara could make 400 then Kohli can also do that.
Today people are saying Kohli is not a selfish player but who knows what will happen in 6-7 years time, maybe he would like to break it and maybe he would make it.

There are other potential players who also can do that.
 
To score a 400 and not affect your teams chances of winning, you need to score extremely fast (ALA Sehwag) or play against an extremely weak team. Kohli's chances of doing it in the next year and a half is almost nil. He does not have the patience to bat for that long time and also he does not score at the break neck speed of Sehwag either. Sehwag can do it within 2 days, Kohli needs to bat for almost 2.5 to 3 days.
 
street cricketer said:
I don't think so.

Lara doesn't need that record to prove that he is a great Test player. Just an example, the way Clarke was batting at Sydney against our powder puff pacers, I was sure he would get a 500 if he hadn't declared. But he declared 5 runs short of the 334 score of the Don, and ended up winning that test match.

That record is as significant as the 952 score record set by the Sri Lankan team. Nobody tells that Sri Lanka is the best amongst the best because of that record.
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Laras's 153 > Lara's 400
 
super hitter said:
Well who can actually break this record in the next five years or so?
I'd like to ask [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=57110]JibranAnsari[/MENTION]
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Probably none.

Scoring 400 needs lots of concentration, determination, hunger & as well as batting domination. Among current lot, probably only Cook & Amla has the temperament, but both are 30+ now & should need 7 Days Test. While, Warner, Smith, Virat, AB has the ability to score may be at 35 runs/hour (still it takes 12 hours); but not sure any of them has the concentration to bat for that long. That 200 was Kohli's 1st double in FC cricket. Besides, most of the 300+ scores are made by Top 3 players, which may be puts Root & Williamson slightly ahead. At this moment, I 'll put Root probably having the best chance - all-round player, who score quickly & plays lot of Tests.

Interestingly, Virat, AB, Smith, Root & Warner has their highest FC score in Test; so may be one of them can reach 300, even 350; but don't see that 400 being broken in near future, if ever.
 
Doubt so but you never know in cricket.. Records are meant to be broken one day someone would break it unless test just dies or becomes 4 day format.
 
Pujara is more likely to do it then Kohli, but neither of them, nor anyone else can ever break Lara's record ever again. Kohli can score 100s, but most of his 100s are barely big. He doesn't have the endurance like Joe Root or Steve Smith.
 
javiersuka said:
Because the WI unnecessarily batted over 200 overs for Lara to achieve that score.

Normally teams playing for a result score big runs in first innings of a test match and declare in the middle of 6th session to give their bowlers a crack at the opposition during the final few overs of Day 2.

However, here WI kept batting even for one additional session on day 3.

It's no wonder that the match ended as a boring and dull draw only dedicated to Lara 's 400.

Compare Lara's innings with that of Clarke 329* against India. Clarke could have kept batting and increase his personal score as well as the target for his team but he declared as soon as he realized that there are enough runs on the board and bowlers should get maximum overs to dismiss the Indian team.
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That because Clarke knows his bowlers were good enough to dismiss Indian cheaply. lara's team lost the previous 3 tests to england and and they werent winning with a decent score. Trying to score as many as in firsts innings was more valuable.
 
street cricketer said:
It's a useless record imo. Very scant chance that such a record will give a result for the match.
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I think, that match WI did the right thing to bat for 200 overs - that's 80 minutes into day 3. I watched that entire Test for 1st 4.5 days & that was the best chance for WI to win the Test.

In that Series, 3 times, WI lost the Test after equal or almost equal 1st innings, but they ran out of steam in 2nd innings. Out of 450 overs, you have to bat about 220 overs to win a Test, WI did that for once & they scored at 3.7+ rate, giving their bowlers 240+ overs & 750+ runs to win the Test. Break that same score with 450 in 135 overs & 300 in 90 overs - no one would say that WI batted for Lara's record.

WI did enforce the follow on (ENG 285 in 1st innings, that too from 98/5), but, the problem wasn't batting long for 1st innings, rather playing too many bits & pieces all-rounders. Had WI picked one genuine spinner instead of Ryan Hinds or Ricardo Powel - they would have won the Test. After 1st innings of each, WI had 140+ overs & 466 runs to force a result, which they couldn't & to their credit ENG batted well in 2nd innings.


In fact, Lara made a mistake of enforcing follow-on, which costed couple of his bowlers break down in Day 5. Because, ENG batted for 99 overs in 1st innings & his 4 pacers bowled at full throttle for 20 overs with 2nd new ball, then they were asked to go after again. When ENG got all-out, still 50 overs of Day 4 was left - what Lara should have done is, bat for 20 overs at crazy rate, give his bowlers couple of hours rest including the tea break & set 600+ for ENG & 120 overs for his bowlers. Those pacers could have gone all-out at the end of Day 4, then on 5th morning after over night rest & finally with 2nd new ball either side of Tea. That game was there for taking, but Collins could't bowl after 1st spell & both Edwards & Best struggled on Day 5.


I am someone, who always believe that, unless there is a rain threat, you don't enforce the follow-on & if possible, bat for 7 sessions - that's till lunch Day 3, batting first, use the heavy roller on 3rd morning & bring your spinners in the game from Day 3 afternoon. Score 700+ if you can, & then go for all-out attack with 7 catching fielders & 2 for mis-cued hook/pull, relentlessly - concede 4+ rate, but at a SR of less than 60.
 
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Kapil paajee is my favourite indian player of all time!

Along with imran and kallis, i rate these 3 as the most complete cricketers ive ever seen!

However, his constant snide remarks about sachin is getting tiresome!
 
I am one of kohlis biggest fans but I don't see him doing this. In fact I don't think any current player can do this.
 
Lara was a collector of big milestones (100, 200, 300, 400, 500).

Kohli seems likely to break a different type of record: most international tons.
 
Scoring 400 will be a selfish innings unless you score it in 250 or 280 balls. I am surprised no one is mentioning Rohit Sharma here. If he gets a flat wicket, he might score 400 one day. Scoring 200 twice in a ODI is a huge achievement. My money is on Rohit Sharma to score 400 runs in a Test innings.
 
MMHS said:
I think, that match WI did the right thing to bat for 200 overs - that's 80 minutes into day 3. I watched that entire Test for 1st 4.5 days & that was the best chance for WI to win the Test.

In that Series, 3 times, WI lost the Test after equal or almost equal 1st innings, but they ran out of steam in 2nd innings. Out of 450 overs, you have to bat about 220 overs to win a Test, WI did that for once & they scored at 3.7+ rate, giving their bowlers 240+ overs & 750+ runs to win the Test. Break that same score with 450 in 135 overs & 300 in 90 overs - no one would say that WI batted for Lara's record.

WI did enforce the follow on (ENG 285 in 1st innings, that too from 98/5), but, the problem wasn't batting long for 1st innings, rather playing too many bits & pieces all-rounders. Had WI picked one genuine spinner instead of Ryan Hinds or Ricardo Powel - they would have won the Test. After 1st innings of each, WI had 140+ overs & 466 runs to force a result, which they couldn't & to their credit ENG batted well in 2nd innings.


In fact, Lara made a mistake of enforcing follow-on, which costed couple of his bowlers break down in Day 5. Because, ENG batted for 99 overs in 1st innings & his 4 pacers bowled at full throttle for 20 overs with 2nd new ball, then they were asked to go after again. When ENG got all-out, still 50 overs of Day 4 was left - what Lara should have done is, bat for 20 overs at crazy rate, give his bowlers couple of hours rest including the tea break & set 600+ for ENG & 120 overs for his bowlers. Those pacers could have gone all-out at the end of Day 4, then on 5th morning after over night rest & finally with 2nd new ball either side of Tea. That game was there for taking, but Collins could't bowl after 1st spell & both Edwards & Best struggled on Day 5.


I am someone, who always believe that, unless there is a rain threat, you don't enforce the follow-on & if possible, bat for 7 sessions - that's till lunch Day 3, batting first, use the heavy roller on 3rd morning & bring your spinners in the game from Day 3 afternoon. Score 700+ if you can, & then go for all-out attack with 7 catching fielders & 2 for mis-cued hook/pull, relentlessly - concede 4+ rate, but at a SR of less than 60.
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As good as Lara's innings was, I'm not sure if that was the right approach MMHS. The Windies innings took 2 days + around 70% of the 1st session. Almost close to the halfway mark of the match. West Indies' struggle in their previous matches was due to their poor 2nd innings performance, which they should have improved on. But compromising on the time left for the rest of the 3 innings may not always be a good decision. England got shot out for a low score in their 1st innings which was a good thing, but what if England had went on to score runs for around 140 overs. Then that would leave just over a day for the 2nd innings of both teams. I think that Windies approach would be a good one on a crumbling pitch deteriorating with time, but not on a track that stays true for 5 days and a bit on the flatter side.

And the fact that Windies didn't have enough bowlers should have prompted Lara to declare sooner to allow enough time for his bowlers to pick up 20 wickets, not till he reached the 400 landmark. And let's be honest, there was a fierce competition between Haydos and Lara to get that highest individual score landmark and it was not a complete coincidence that Lara declared after he got 400 in that match.
 
street cricketer said:
As good as Lara's innings was, I'm not sure if that was the right approach MMHS. The Windies innings took 2 days + around 70% of the 1st session. Almost close to the halfway mark of the match. West Indies' struggle in their previous matches was due to their poor 2nd innings performance, which they should have improved on. But compromising on the time left for the rest of the 3 innings may not always be a good decision. England got shot out for a low score in their 1st innings which was a good thing, but what if England had went on to score runs for around 140 overs. Then that would leave just over a day for the 2nd innings of both teams. I think that Windies approach would be a good one on a crumbling pitch deteriorating with time, but not on a track that stays true for 5 days and a bit on the flatter side.

And the fact that Windies didn't have enough bowlers should have prompted Lara to declare sooner to allow enough time for his bowlers to pick up 20 wickets, not till he reached the 400 landmark. And let's be honest, there was a fierce competition between Haydos and Lara to get that highest individual score landmark and it was not a complete coincidence that Lara declared after he got 400 in that match.
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Ridley Jacobs who himself played that match and scored a century in the first innings openly called Lara a selfish player after his retirement next year -

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-05-04/jacobs-slams-selfish-lara-in-parting-shot-from/1563636
 
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street cricketer said:
As good as Lara's innings was, I'm not sure if that was the right approach MMHS. The Windies innings took 2 days + around 70% of the 1st session. Almost close to the halfway mark of the match. West Indies' struggle in their previous matches was due to their poor 2nd innings performance, which they should have improved on. But compromising on the time left for the rest of the 3 innings may not always be a good decision. England got shot out for a low score in their 1st innings which was a good thing, but what if England had went on to score runs for around 140 overs. Then that would leave just over a day for the 2nd innings of both teams. I think that Windies approach would be a good one on a crumbling pitch deteriorating with time, but not on a track that stays true for 5 days and a bit on the flatter side.

And the fact that Windies didn't have enough bowlers should have prompted Lara to declare sooner to allow enough time for his bowlers to pick up 20 wickets, not till he reached the 400 landmark. And let's be honest, there was a fierce competition between Haydos and Lara to get that highest individual score landmark and it was not a complete coincidence that Lara declared after he got 400 in that match.
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Actually the Windies declared during the 8th session of the match. WI were 734/5 during lunch on Day 3 with Lara batting on 390*.

Now that's batting for more than 7 Sessions to achieve a personal milestone.

How can a team ever expect to win by keep on batting for half the Test Match? It's ironic that the folks who usually can't stop pinpointing fingers at the Selfishness of Indian Batsmen are making 101 excuses to justify the innings played by Lara and calling it an innings played for the cause of the team ( LOL)

On a Pitch where the WI lost a total of 5 wickets over 7 sessions were the dominant English side expected to be bowled out twice in the same number of sessions? Somebody's gotta be joking.
 
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No.. Current players aren't too interested in those stuffs.
 
czar said:
Actually the Windies declared during the 8th session of the match. WI were 734/5 during lunch on Day 3 with Lara batting on 390*.
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If that is the case, then that is an even more bizarre approach considering that West Indies didn't lose too many wickets in their own innings.
 
street cricketer said:
If that is the case, then that is an even more bizarre approach considering that West Indies didn't lose too many wickets in their own innings.
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I didn't defend him - he indeed played for personal mile stone. My post was an answer to your post that, these sort of record would hardly give a result of the match. I actually tried to explain how still a result was possible.

I knew WI carried on batting after lunch till Day 3. But, still the result was possible & WI should have won that match - Lara didn't slow down the scoring, rather last 150 of WI came almost at 5. There was some over's lost due to that the innings went to after lunch. At actual, they batted 202 overs, that's actually half an hour till lunch, with 248 overs left in the match; you have to consider that,because these days, they cover up up to 1 hour of time loss. As I said, look at that innings as 450 + 300 in 220 overs over 2 innings. On that belter, only way to put pressure was score board load & that actually worked. Only blemish, I would still give that WI shouldn't have enforced the follow-on, rather should have batted for an hour & then set ENG a target to chase - may be 600 in 130 overs. He made it hopeless case for them & tired his bowlers.
 
super hitter said:
Well who can actually break this record in the next five years or so?
I'd like to ask [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=57110]JibranAnsari[/MENTION]
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This is a record that is very hard to break. Almost impossible.

You need to be either very selfish player or bat for 6 sessions at a very good rate and have a lot of luck in your favor.

Michael Clarke had the opportunity vs India in 2011, but he declared because he did not want to risk the result of the match.

A classic flat track bully like Warner can do it on a flat track against a mediocre attack, but he doesn't have the attention span to bat for two full days.

Yes records are meant to be broken, but I really don't see any breaking this record, given the selfishness and the luck that is required.
 
One way the record is breakable is if the opponent team bats first and hits 600 runs and then you go on and hit 750-7 or something of that sort with one player hitting 400* then in these kinds of circumstances such knocks can be played as you know the match will be going to draw.

We shouldn't expect such knocks in first inning.No team will look for 750 in first inning these days.
 
czar said:
Actually the Windies declared during the 8th session of the match. WI were 734/5 during lunch on Day 3 with Lara batting on 390*.

Now that's batting for more than 7 Sessions to achieve a personal milestone.

How can a team ever expect to win by keep on batting for half the Test Match? It's ironic that the folks who usually can't stop pinpointing fingers at the Selfishness of Indian Batsmen are making 101 excuses to justify the innings played by Lara and calling it an innings played for the cause of the team ( LOL)

On a Pitch where the WI lost a total of 5 wickets over 7 sessions were the dominant English side expected to be bowled out twice in the same number of sessions? Somebody's gotta be joking.
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I explained how a result was possible& in fact that was the only way a result was possible. It would have been selfish, had WI slowed down the scoring rate. Hypothetically, had WI declared at 550, they could have faced a target of 170 in last day; instead, they kept scoring at 4+ rate & made it absolute sure that the game was saved.

Regarding the last part of your post, the joke is that you didn't understand the context, neither the explanation. This happens when people jumps into response with out reading & understanding properly. I give an example, you can check - at Hyderabad, '83 (Javed's 280* match), PAK batted till lunch on Day 3, for a score of 580/3 or so & those were winter Test in PAK, maximum 400 overs were possible & Imran actually consumed half the overs in only innings. And, he explained later that that was his only chance to win that Test - made sure that even India batting the remaining time entirely, they shouldn't cross PAK - it's a matter of 20 wickets & on the flattest of wickets, facing 600, any team can crumble. IND did crumble & lost the match by innings, against PAK's 3 wicket score, made over half the Test. & the same thing he did at Oval '87 - batted till lunch on Day 3 & set 709 for England - would have won the Test as well, barring Wasim's injury & about a dozen drops. And, if I can recall correctly, 1994 Ashes, AUS batted for 14 hours to post 632/4 at Lord's & still won the game easily. If you can put BIG total at 1st innings, at a faster rate, nothing is better than that in a 2 innings match. A batting belter only can deteriorate with time - early declaration doesn't win you the game.

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Ab Fan said:
One way the record is breakable is if the opponent team bats first and hits 600 runs and then you go on and hit 750-7 or something of that sort with one player hitting 400* then in these kinds of circumstances such knocks can be played as you know the match will be going to draw.

We shouldn't expect such knocks in first inning.No team will look for 750 in first inning these days.
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Almost impossible to score 400 at a normal, Test standard strike rate i.e. around 50-55.

Batsmen who are up against a first innings score of 600+ will not take many risks and will thus not bat aggressively, since they will be playing for a draw.

In this scenario, it's possible to score a 400 without coming across as selfish, but it is still highly unlikely.
 
Mamoon said:
Almost impossible to score 400 at a normal, Test standard strike rate i.e. around 50-55.

Batsmen who are up against a first innings score of 600+ will not take many risks and will thus not bat aggressively, since they will be playing for a draw.

In this scenario, it's possible to score a 400 without coming across as selfish, but it is still highly unlikely.
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Actually, Test matches are most colourful sports in it's diversity & ultimates. For example, take the match between SRL-SAF; a very good SAF team were all-out before tea on Day 1 for ~170. Then SRL posted 750+ for 5; but one partnership of 625 & both the pair had a realistic chance of breaking Lara's record. Despite rain, that match ended before Tea on Day 5.

I think, at current scoring rate & globalised environment, it's quite possible to break that record; but may be the temperament is not there. For example, against ZIM or BD (or even WI), it's possible to post 800 in 2 days (SRL actually did post 550, in 85 overs against us) in a result match, but I don't think anyone has that level of concentration. May be Cook - had the chance at least twice, but he doesn't accelerate with the age of his innings.

My best bet - may be Root can do it, may be next year at home against WI or the following year against us.
 
MMHS said:
Actually, Test matches are most colourful sports in it's diversity & ultimates. For example, take the match between SRL-SAF; a very good SAF team were all-out before tea on Day 1 for ~170. Then SRL posted 750+ for 5; but one partnership of 625 & both the pair had a realistic chance of breaking Lara's record. Despite rain, that match ended before Tea on Day 5.

I think, at current scoring rate & globalised environment, it's quite possible to break that record; but may be the temperament is not there. For example, against ZIM or BD (or even WI), it's possible to post 800 in 2 days (SRL actually did post 550, in 85 overs against us) in a result match, but I don't think anyone has that level of concentration. May be Cook - had the chance at least twice, but he doesn't accelerate with the age of his innings.

My best bet - may be Root can do it, may be next year at home against WI or the following year against us.
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Do you think Sehwag could have succeeded to do this? Did he have temperament or any other quality?
 
Statsman said:
Do you think Sehwag could have succeeded to do this? Did he have temperament or any other quality?
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I think, long back I wrote that Viru is one of very few players that could do this. He had 3 chances - Multan (when got out, I think, it was before lunch, Day 2), Chennai - on a dead match, he threw his chance; but his golden opportunity was Mumbai - I think, he scored 290 in a Day & IND was batting 2nd, easily could have batted for 2 more sessions on Day 3 & may be reach even 500. But, he tried too many things & got out to Murali. But that's Virender Sehwag for you - had he looked at the score board, I don't think he would have been remotely close to the player he was. I actually rate him far decisive impact Test player than ODI player.

Gayle also could have done it - but none of these players had the temperament of Lara; once set, he was like God. His 650 runs series against SRL was unbelievable - and that sort of masterful control you need to post BIG, really BIG scores. It takes only one ball to get you out, still players like Lara, Hanif, Hutton batted for 15, 16 hours - which I don't think any modern batsmen has in them.

Virat is like Viv - impactful innings player, but not a run machine. After all those domination, Viv has only 6 or 7 innings over 150, because he never played for slow burning. He played for a team that needed someone to demoralise the bowling spirit - quick fire, dominating 60s & 70s; job done. I'll be surprised, if Virat finishes career with an average over 48 in Test - chances are high that his ODI average 'll be higher than Test, for those Not Out chases.
 
Kapil paaji is an emotional man. Got overexcited with the success of a fellow Jatt.

Kohli's 200 was itself a surprise and I will be happy to see him score more 200s. Can't see him batting long enough or fast enough (like Sehwag) to hit 300s forget a 400.

In ODIs though, I'll not be surprised if he ends up hitting 3-4 200s.
 
Statsman said:
Do you think Sehwag could have succeeded to do this? Did he have temperament or any other quality?
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Sehwag hit 274 in FC cricket in his second season as a 21 year old! Had a phenomenal FC record and an average List A record.

Kohli on the other hand, had a decent FC record but an amazing List A record before playing regularly for India,
 
I can't see Kohli breaking that record, not because he's not a great player but because Kohli is a winner first and puts the team before personal agendas and records.

What Lara did was nothing short of sensational, but it was also an ego-trip and he didn't care for the the result and just wanted to hold the record he had before Hayden broke it. The match ended a draw and I read some people even criticised Lara for putting his own ambitions ahead of the team's.

As much as Kohi has an ego, he cares more about the final result than he does of personal gains.
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Kapil paaji is an emotional man. Got overexcited with the success of a fellow Jatt.

Kohli's 200 was itself a surprise and I will be happy to see him score more 200s. Can't see him batting long enough or fast enough (like Sehwag) to hit 300s forget a 400.

In ODIs though, I'll not be surprised if he ends up hitting 3-4 200s.
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Yes in ODIs he will accumulate runs through 1s, 2s, 3s in addition to boundaries & sixes. In Test Matches such huge scores require madness power-hitting (People like Hayden, Sehwag, Gayle are the candidates for this that too only at their best prime & luck going their way!)

Instead of making such highest score records, I will back Kohli to reach unbeatable average especially in ODIs and T20s (Do you know his average in T20? It is 58.6! That's brutal for that format!)
 
Not happening, extremely difficult on pitches we play in.

Even if we do get a patta, to get to 400 you need 1 of these 2 things.

1) Be a maniac like Veeru pa and go berserk

2) Be selfish like Lara

And Kohli is neither.


Maybe what can be drawn from Kapil's comments though is that we can expect a lot of daddy 200s from Kohli unlike Tendulkar. Kohli much like Ponting can be even more devastating after crossing 3 figures rather than otherway around. And now that his mental block is shattered in tests, expect him to make big tons a norm.
 
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