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Markhors (231) register a comprehensive 126-run victory over Stallions (105) in Match 4 of the Champions One-Day Cup 2024

Deewana Mastana said:
Here we go was just a matter of time these were going to come out to the open.

I was surprised there wasn't a thread opened after his 62 off 25 the other day.
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Oh bhai, who do you even want then?

Name your playing 11? Pakistan is a minnow, and unfortunately they have no choice but to go with their best domestic performers regardless of quality.

Seriously who do you want? Let's hear it? When did I say that samad would go to town on Australia and India and become the next Butler?

Again name your playing 11
 
adi_62941 said:
Cant see much families or ladies turning out into crowd shows the radicalization and polarization happened in our society especially small cities
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In a semi-progressive society like Pakistan, you still need segregated family enclosures or women only areas. The reality is, the majority of women won’t feel comfortable in mixed enclosures because of the kind of people most Pakistani men are.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Abdul Sammad passed the game awareness Test that 90% of our batters fail when he played a high risk shot towards deep mid on. But because there was no fielder there, even a mistimed shot went for four and not into any fielder's hand.
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Still-impactful innings
 
Samad should be allowed to play domestically for a few more seasons before he’s brought into the international team. So many young players go into the national team early in their careers because of hype and inevitably go on a patch of bad scores which causes them to lose confidence before they’ve solidified their skills. Haider Ali is a classic example of this.
 
adi_62941 said:
Cant see much families or ladies turning out into crowd shows the radicalization and polarization happened in our society especially small cities
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Only lahori girls or Karachi Girls or max Islamabad Girls show up due to those societies being more modern and families being more educated in nature
 
alik said:
Samad should be allowed to play domestically for a few more seasons before he’s brought into the international team. So many young players go into the national team early in their careers because of hype and inevitably go on a patch of bad scores which causes them to lose confidence before they’ve solidified their skills. Haider Ali is a classic example of this.
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No, he needs to be brought into international and actually played in all 3 formats.

Pakistan has been going years and hears playing the same filth over and over and making no changes.

How will you build a team without introducing young blood into the heat and difficulty of international teams?

Going back into domestic is for players like saim ayub who've been given free rides and haven't shown anything and isn't even showing anything in this local domestic cup
 
mominsaigol said:
Oh bhai, who do you even want then?

Name your playing 11? Pakistan is a minnow, and unfortunately they have no choice but to go with their best domestic performers regardless of quality.

Seriously who do you want? Let's hear it? When did I say that samad would go to town on Australia and India and become the next Butler?

Again name your playing 11
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Thand rakh kakay!

Let the guy first get a gig in PSL then the rest can be seen.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Let the guy first get a gig in PSL then the rest can be seen.
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I'm asking what's your playing 11?

The whole purpose of this cup was to shortlist players for the aussie, Zimbabwe and Upcoming CT Cup.

Odi and t20 are not the same formats and infact psl has shown to cause more damage to pakistani cricketers then actually improve them.

For example before this tournament the commentators mentioned how shaheen, Naseem, Haris rauf and Babar haven't even bothered to play List A since 2018, Had it clearly shows since covid era made t20 more popular, 2020-2022 was t20 only.

By 2023 pacers got badly exposed as neither of them had the stamina to bowl 10 overs properly and Babar completly forgot how to construct an odi innings.

Similarly The likes of Muhammad haris and Usman Khan have shown improvement this tournament because their finally playing List A and not T20 bashing which doesn't improve technique. I'm not saying these 2 are world beaters, infact Australian pacers will murk them, but usman Khan and Haris look more steady at the crease now then in psl or international where they were all over the place.
 
mominsaigol said:
No, he needs to be brought into international and actually played in all 3 formats.

Pakistan has been going years and hears playing the same filth over and over and making no changes.

How will you build a team without introducing young blood into the heat and difficulty of international teams?

Going back into domestic is for players like saim ayub who've been given free rides and haven't shown anything and isn't even showing anything in this local domestic cup
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He had one good innings playing against amad butt and usama mir and you’re acting as though he was playing against starc and hazlewood. Let the guy play a bit more domestically before his confidence is ruined completely. The same should’ve happened to Saim too, it was too early for him and now his poor scores have carried into domestic performances.
 
PakFan2010 said:
This tournament has just confirmed that Pakistan has no other talent.

The usual suspects making the runs and wickets. The same people who fail in international cricket.
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How so? Your highest run scorer is Kamran Ghulam while your usual suspects like babar, Rizwan, Imam, fakhar and the rest haven't impressed at all.

Infact Hurraira, Kamran ghulam, Tayyab, haider Ali, Jahdad Khan, mubashir, usman khan and many more have been performing better them the main lot.
 
alik said:
He had one good innings playing against amad butt and usama mir and you’re acting as though he was playing against starc and hazlewood. Let the guy play a bit more domestically before his confidence is ruined completely. The same should’ve happened to Saim too, it was too early for him and now his poor scores have carried into domestic performances.
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I am not acting like he played against starc and hazlewood, to improve a player you need to have them suffer the brunt of international cricket.

As for saim ayub, his past stats means nothing, psl was conducted on Pindi roads curated by Ramiz raja and recently while faisalabad isn't ideal and is mostly a road atleast it has something to offer considering the likes of crapola spinners like usama mir was turning it yesterday. Even Shan masood has a List A average of 53 lol.

Saim in this tournament had been exposed and it has nothing to do with confidence. It's not like he's been facing tough bowlers in international. He had a 3 match series on a 50M school boy pitch against Ireland and failed, then had matches against minnows in the world cup etc etc
 
mominsaigol said:
I'm asking what's your playing 11?

The whole purpose of this cup was to shortlist players for the aussie, Zimbabwe and Upcoming CT Cup.

Odi and t20 are not the same formats and infact psl has shown to cause more damage to pakistani cricketers then actually improve them.

For example before this tournament the commentators mentioned how shaheen, Naseem, Haris rauf and Babar haven't even bothered to play List A since 2018, Had it clearly shows since covid era made t20 more popular, 2020-2022 was t20 only.

By 2023 pacers got badly exposed as neither of them had the stamina to bowl 10 overs properly and Babar completly forgot how to construct an odi innings.

Similarly The likes of Muhammad haris and Usman Khan have shown improvement this tournament because their finally playing List A and not T20 bashing which doesn't improve technique. I'm not saying these 2 are world beaters, infact Australian pacers will murk them, but usman Khan and Haris look more steady at the crease now then in psl or international where they were all over the place.
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This isn't a playing 11 thread so I'd rather not do it.

As for these guys not playing any List A cricket for 6 years is down to PCB and the poor quality of cricket overall within Pakistan.

PCB always emphasised on T20 cricket which was why they kept playing mostly that and didn't improve or played any other cricket.

So you're telling me that this guy who has barely played any cricket since 8 years of his domestic debut should be thrusted into not just 1 but all 3 formats of Pakistan international cricket.

Hold your horses as Kirsten and Pakistan would not probably do that without seeing him in PSL.
 
mominsaigol said:
I am not acting like he played against starc and hazlewood, to improve a player you need to have them suffer the brunt of international cricket.
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No. You need to prepare them for international cricket so they don't show big flaws against big teams.
 
RidiculousMan said:
No. You need to prepare them for international cricket so they don't show big flaws against big teams.
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How do you prepare someone for international cricket by not throwing them into international cricket?

What will have them infinitely batting against the likes of usama mir and amad butt do?

As for PSL, it's a tournament where usama mir was the highest wicket taker, I don't think that league is a good metric, neither is CPL where Azam Khan is the 2nd coming of Butler in said leagues.

Players of the past didn't have this babysitting luxury, they impressed in domestics and impressed in county or other competitons and then made their way into the team

They were typically given 10 to 20 games and then an assessment was made. Now granted by 2003 and onwards pcb forgot that philosophy and opted for babysitting doati yaari and roti gangs but that doesn't make it right.

Have it your way, Have samad play agaisnt crap attacks and Shove him into international when he's 35.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
This isn't a playing 11 thread so I'd rather not do it.

As for these guys not playing any List A cricket for 6 years is down to PCB and the poor quality of cricket overall within Pakistan.

PCB always emphasised on T20 cricket which was why they kept playing mostly that and didn't improve or played any other cricket.

So you're telling me that this guy who has barely played any cricket since 8 years of his domestic debut should be thrusted into not just 1 but all 3 formats of Pakistan international cricket.

Hold your horses as Kirsten and Pakistan would not probably do that without seeing him in PSL.
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Idrc what pakistan does as this is the same joke country that sent azam khan in a world cup lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
I am not acting like he played against starc and hazlewood, to improve a player you need to have them suffer the brunt of international cricket.
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I think we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree on that lol. You don’t let talent develop by throwing them in the deep end and hoping they figure it out. I think that’s how you destroy talent tbh. Saim and Haider Ali have gone down the same path. Haider doesn’t even open anymore and he was one of the best openers in the U19 wc.
 
alik said:
I think we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree on that lol. You don’t let talent develop by throwing them in the deep end and hoping they figure it out. I think that’s how you destroy talent tbh. Saim and Haider Ali have gone down the same path. Haider doesn’t even open anymore and he was one of the best openers in the U19 wc.
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Then it's their fault for being meek. Accountability must go to the player as well.

Dhoni's movie(be it real life or fiction) showcased 2 real events which actually occurred and that was that Dhoni early on in his career was struggling. The selectors wanted karthik instead and Dhoni wasn't considered top talent like Yuvi was, he was 100% a risky take.

Now the movie adds in some nonsense fiction like him meeting his love on an airplane and what not, but even in the movie and irl after he was failing, He went to his batting coach, practised, Got the mental resolve and went out their and slowly and steadily improved.

Sachin similarly in his documentary and irl was shoved way way too early at age of 16 and flunked his 1st innings, but eventually settled down.

Things like technique + mental resolve + Hard work has to come from within. A teacher can teach well but they can't do anything is the student doesn't wish to learn.

If haider Ali and saim ayub are mentally shot and are refusing to pick themselves up because international cricket gave them a scare, then sorry they aren't needed, a hard working cricketer would pick himself and improve and make it clear he's undroppable as that's what Travis head did.

They would run away from opening and start crying about it.
 
Markhors may struggle this tournament due to a huge tail.

They have:

#8 - Zahid Mahmood
#9 - Naseem Shah
#10 - Akif Javed
#11 - Dahani
 
mominsaigol said:
How do you prepare someone for international cricket by not throwing them into international cricket?

What will have them infinitely batting against the likes of usama mir and amad butt do?

As for PSL, it's a tournament where usama mir was the highest wicket taker, I don't think that league is a good metric, neither is CPL where Azam Khan is the 2nd coming of Butler in said leagues.

Players of the past didn't have this babysitting luxury, they impressed in domestics and impressed in county or other competitons and then made their way into the team

They were typically given 10 to 20 games and then an assessment was made. Now granted by 2003 and onwards pcb forgot that philosophy and opted for babysitting doati yaari and roti gangs but that doesn't make it right.

Have it your way, Have samad play agaisnt crap attacks and Shove him into international when he's 35.
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You prepare them through a proper pathway. From grassroot cricket to U16s to U19s to domestic Cricket. Including few seasons of List A and First Class Cricket.

Saud Shakeel went through domestic FC seasons. That's why straightaway he started performing in International Cricket. He doesn't need to learn how to deal with failures or mistakes in International Cricket because he has already been through that.

Saim Ayub hasn't been. That's why he repeats his mistakes in international cricket and not only he himself but also the team suffers.

You don't wait for a player to turn 35. But you also don't give him international on a plate just because he had one flashy PSL season.

International Cricket is no substitute for domestic List A and FC. Period
 
RidiculousMan said:
You prepare them through a proper pathway. From grassroot cricket to U16s to U19s to domestic Cricket. Including few seasons of List A and First Class Cricket.

Saud Shakeel went through domestic FC seasons. That's why straightaway he started performing in International Cricket. He doesn't need to learn how to deal with failures or mistakes in International Cricket because he has already been through that.

Saim Ayub hasn't been. That's why he repeats his mistakes in international cricket and not only he himself but also the team suffers.

You don't wait for a player to turn 35. But you also don't give him international on a plate just because he had one flashy PSL season.

International Cricket is no substitute for domestic List A and FC. Period
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Lol international cricket is the biggest substitute.

That pressure + the quality of bowling and pitches + the numerous situations you have to deal with. It's the biggest teacher and the most succeaful players like Sachin started early
 
mominsaigol said:
Then it's their fault for being meek. Accountability must go to the player as well.

Dhoni's movie(be it real life or fiction) showcased 2 real events which actually occurred and that was that Dhoni early on in his career was struggling. The selectors wanted karthik instead and Dhoni wasn't considered top talent like Yuvi was, he was 100% a risky take.

Now the movie adds in some nonsense fiction like him meeting his love on an airplane and what not, but even in the movie and irl after he was failing, He went to his batting coach, practised, Got the mental resolve and went out their and slowly and steadily improved.

Sachin similarly in his documentary and irl was shoved way way too early at age of 16 and flunked his 1st innings, but eventually settled down.

Things like technique + mental resolve + Hard work has to come from within. A teacher can teach well but they can't do anything is the student doesn't wish to learn.

If haider Ali and saim ayub are mentally shot and are refusing to pick themselves up because international cricket gave them a scare, then sorry they aren't needed, a hard working cricketer would pick himself and improve and make it clear he's undroppable as that's what Travis head did.

They would run away from opening and start crying about it.
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You’re naming extreme exceptions though. Whether they come back a better player or not, it doesn’t change the fact that bringing them early into international cricket hurts their natural development.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Markhors may struggle this tournament due to a huge tail.

They have:

#8 - Zahid Mahmood
#9 - Naseem Shah
#10 - Akif Javed
#11 - Dahani
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They should’ve played Sarwar Afridi over Zahid. Sarwar strikes the ball well and is a decent spinner. Zahids dismissal today was embarrassing, almost like he didn’t even care if he got out or not.
 
alik said:
You’re naming extreme exceptions though. Whether they come back a better player or not, it doesn’t change the fact that bringing them early into international cricket hurts their natural development.
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What extreme exceptions? Their atg's?

Sachin and Dhoni as I mentioned.

Then you have virat kohli who was brought on straight from Under 19, they noticed him in 2008 and then a few months later in August he was brought on and it was in international where his fitness routine + his shots and his playstyke and batting no at 3 was sorted?

Then you have steve smith was shoved into international very quickly and was actually a legspinner, at the highest stage he became a batsmen.

You also have The likes of Saeed Anwar and many others who were shoved straight Into it? Yousaf as well?

Almost every ATG cricketer ik was either shoved into international early and dropped only to make a resurgence because international cricket taught them mental resolve and the ability to get better and be the best like Travis head, Or they just came into international cricket early and were never dropped because it took them a few in kings of failures to get sorted and adjust to he big leagues
 
Shan is such a lame batter, Babar needs to score now. He's been given the easiest platform to get runs In. Anything short of a century and fans should stop chanting his name
 
Babar as a batter is still world class who is just having a bad patch.However babar's personality is really weak and will never allow him to reach his true potential.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Naww not getting his rhythm back. Bobsy is just rubbish he's feeding on pies
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Him being able to feed on pies isn't a bad thing. It's a hallmark of a good batter.

Yes it's not the only hallmark, as you have to be innovative, Have to have good game awareness and rr management skills, and have to have the ability to construct shots even when the deliveries are good.

Babar has none of these things, but he's alot better them someone like shan who wouldn't ve able to do the same, Shan literally missed 2 casual full tosses in this innings. They were full toss onto his pads.

Literally any left handers like Warner or Travis is dispatching that for a legside 6
 
Batting in second innings in this hot and humid weather after fielding for 50 overs is extremely difficult. That is why teams are losing while chasing. They just dont have that strength left in their body and mind to beat the weather and bat well in 2nd innings
 
Okay this getting ridiculous, Even loyal Babar fans can't defend this?
 
This is what happens when you have a hunger for captaincy.

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Zahid overshadows Jahandad as UMT Markhors win

UMT Markhors beat Allied Bank Stallions by 126 runs as the latter folded for 105 all out in 23.4 overs while chasing 232 runs in the fourth match of the Bahria Town Champions One-Day Cup on Sunday at the Iqbal Stadium, Faisalabad.

Markhors will play their next match on 18 September against Dolphins.

In a remarkable batting collapse the Stallions lost eight wickets for just 26 runs in a space of 54 balls as Zahid Mehmood (5-18) and Salman Ali Agha (3-21) ran through their batting line-up. Stallions were cruising at 79-2 requiring 153 runs from 211 balls but then lost their way.

Zahid took just 4.4 overs to register his maiden List-A fiver-fer. Naseem Shah took first two wickets as Yasir Khan was caught behind in the 5th over while Shan Masood (19, 21b, 2x4s) chopped one on in 10th over to leave Stallions 52-2.

Babar, the only Stallions batter other than Shan to enter double figures, looked in good touch for 45 off 44 balls accumulating eight boundaries but became Zahid’s first prey in 16th over.

Earlier, Jahandad Khan’s career best List-A figures of 4-49 and Mehran Mumtaz’s 3-56 restricted the Markhors to 231 all out with 30 balls to spare.

Markhors were reduced to 38-3 in in 8.2 overs with Fakhar Zaman (20, 24b, 2x4s), Mohammad Faizan (2, 8b) and Kamran Ghulam (11, 13b, 2x4s) back in the hut as Mohammad Ali, Jahandad and Abrar struck respectively, on regular intervals.

Half-centuries from Salman Ali Agha and Iftikhar Ahmed brought the momentum back to the Markhors’ innings as the duo put on 65-run for the fifth-wicket partnership. Salman departed after scoring 51 off 72 balls with the help of three fours and one six with the scorecard reading 159-5.

Iftikhar, batting at No.6, contributed 60 vital runs taking 66 balls as he hit eight boundaries. Abdul Samad (37, 35b, 5x4s, 1x6) and Iftikhar’s joint stand of 62 for the sixth-wicket meant that Markhors crossed 200-run mark but with Samad holing Mehran to long-on at the score of 221, the Stallions then took no time to wrap up the innings.

Markhors lost their last five wickets for mere 10 runs as they managed 231 in 45 overs.

Scores in brief

UMT Markhors beat Allied Bank Stallions by 126 runs

UMT Markhors 231 all out, 45 overs (Iftikhar Ahmed 60, Salman Ali Agha 51, Abdul Samad 37, Mohammad Rizwan 33; Jahandad Khan 4-49, Mehran Mumtaz 3-56)

Allied Bank Stallions 105 all out, 23.4 overs (Babar Azam 45, Shan Masood 19; Zahid Mehmood 5-18, Salman Ali Agha 3-21, Naseem Shah 2-24)

Player of the match: Zahid Mehmood (UMT Markhors)
 
Once again it's very clear that Babar should not be captain. Let him bat. As a captain he is too focused on the politics and social media
 
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