"Marnus and I felt that Pakistan probably bowled a fraction too short" : David Warner

[MenInG]

David Warner speaking to the press

"Talking to Marnus out there, I felt that they probably bowled a fraction too short, didn't make us play straight down the ground; Marnus and I hardly hit the ball straight down the ground, I think with the Pink Ball when you get to a period when nothing is happening then you got to dry up the field a little bit, and try to get us to play straight; We were able to score freely"

"We emphasized in the last match that we will run as hard as we can, try and put the pressure and rotate strike with right hand and left hand and we were able to do that and not let the bowlers settle"

"Its the best that I have ever left [the ball] and I think that's down to the quality of bowling of Abbas, I think leading into this Test, knowing what he is capable of and I had to be patient and could not play those rash shots, and he really tries best to hang it out there and dangle the carrot; I just waited for him to overpitch"

"You never want to say that we broke them [Pakistan] but the key to batting is to keep on bringing their fast-bowlers back, and if you can bring them back for 3/4th spells towards the end of the day then that holds you in a good position for tomorrow, and we were able to do that"

"The youngster making his debut, Musa, bowled lightning quick like in the T20I game but you know that when young kids come into the setup and are playing their first Test, you know that if you can get them into their 2/3rd spell then their pace will drop, they will start bowling bit shorter, they will lose bit of their rhythm especially against left-hand right-hand batsmen and that's the goal as a batsman to do that"

 

[Shazzam]

So Pakistan went easy on them. No pressure was applied.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Warner is taunting Pakistan every match with patronizing remarks.

 

[MenInG]

Amazed at the amount of planning goes into Australian batting!

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

he is feeling pity for them it seems

 

[Hyperion66]

Warner is taunting Pakistan every match with patronizing remarks.

Exactly lol. Now fully expect geniuses here to take this seriously and shift the blame to Misbah.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Too easy for Warner & co.

He isn't taunting just speaking his mind, perhaps pitying Pak bowlers

 

[Shazzam]

Exactly lol. Now fully expect geniuses here to take this seriously and shift the blame to Misbah.

So Misbah should not be blamed?

 

[dhump]

I love how easy they are taking Pakistan.

 

[andy0204]

Jhooti taarif

 

[Titan24]

To be honest it has been as easy as it gets and Pak hasnt given them much too think about. Rookie fast bowlers have rarely done anything in Aus and Shaheen and Naseem with all their potential could only do so much that they appeared to be the best 2 bowlers of Pakistan on this tour at 18-19 years of age. Not enough experience and class to support them in the squad.

 

[happydavy]

Warner is commenting as if Australia is playing against Bangladesh and not Pakistan. You know you are supposed to win and give suggestions to the weaker team so that they can improve.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Exactly lol. Now fully expect geniuses here to take this seriously and shift the blame to Misbah.

Misbah is the easy scapegoat.

If Misbah was not the coach, it would be Waqar's fault for not producing overnight miraculous fast bowlers.

And if Waqar was not there, it would be Sarfraz's fault for yawning on the field.

There is a reason Pakistan languishes at 7th in the test rankings. The entire system is rotten, no one wants to work and improve and "one person" takes the brunt of the hatred for every failed series.

Nothing will change for another 05 years even if Misbah gets sacked.

There will be another punching bag to punch.

 

[Mainul]

Even our BD bowlers won't do worse than these Pak bowlers. I could not even imagine in my bad dreams that one day I have to see these pathetic state of Pak bowling.

 

[happydavy]

Even our BD bowlers won't do worse than these Pak bowlers. I could not even imagine in my bad dreams that one day I have to see these pathetic state of Pak bowling.

I disagree. Against Bdesh bowlers, Australia would have been 400 for no loss by now.

 

[Shazzam]

Misbah is the easy scapegoat.

If Misbah was not the coach, it would be Waqar's fault for not producing overnight miraculous fast bowlers.

And if Waqar was not there, it would be Sarfraz's fault for yawning on the field.

There is a reason Pakistan languishes at 7th in the test rankings. The entire system is rotten, no one wants to work and improve and "one person" takes the brunt of the hatred for every failed series.

Nothing will change for another 05 years even if Misbah gets sacked.

There will be another punching bag to punch.

Misbah is a easy scapegoat cause he literally has three positions in our set up. He should have never bothered with them honestly.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Misbah is a easy scapegoat cause he literally has three positions in our set up. He should have never bothered with them honestly.

And he will be accountable very soon for all three but what do you guys want? Him to win in Australia? Which Houdini coach, selector or captain of Pakistan has managed to win in Australia in the last 25 years?

If you have hired someone, give him at least time or due process. The fact whether he shouldn't have been hired in the first place is long gone. It is done and dusted. What is the point of moaning about hiring process and why he cut corners to get to the top. It serves no purpose but to incite others and some people are happy at just moaning and inciting.

Now the fact of the matter remains, what happens when he leaves? We start winning? But I kind of don't believe his successor will also help us win in Australia. Yes if we lose to Sri Lanka as well, we might start to think about his roles and his ability.

The problem with our fans is that they have already made up their minds that someone is a failure or someone is a success. And then they swing and dance like a pendulum to those self-made thoughts.

I am not a Misbah follower neither do I care whether he leads the team or not. But I believe in due process and fair evaluation. And no one wants to give him a chance which is unfair because he needs a little time to either succeed or become a certified failure.

 

[Revolution]

Warner completely failed in Ashes.
Pak series was easy for Warner for come back.

 

[Hyperion66]

So Misbah should not be blamed?

You have a bullock cart team and you expect Ferrari like results? No coach in the world could have done any better with the kind of team you have. Now Misbah should be blamed for some selection errors perhaps but I am pretty sure even Imran Khan couldn't make a decent bowler our of trundler Abbas or no-spin Yasir. You would have lost here even if you had gone back in time and brought back your past legends to play in this series. Point is Misbah already got a broken and dysfunctional team from Mickey, he is gonna need time to patch and fix. To add to his misery and contrary to popular belief here Pakistan has a severe lack of talent right now, especially in the bowling department, Misbah is trying his best to make do with what he has got. Best he can do is replacing one mediocre player with another on horses for courses basis, that will never work in Australia but that is all he or anyone can do with your team atm.

 

[The Viper]

Well done- keep bowling short.

This is what happens when you have no clue on how to pitch the ball up.

What is Waqar doing with these bowlers?

 

[Varun]

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[Mainul]

I disagree. Against Bdesh bowlers, Australia would have been 400 for no loss by now.

Doesn't cause any difference really. Both scores reflect one sided massive domination by opposition batters. We are habituated to see these kinds of performances from BD bowlers but unfortunately Pakistani bowlers have begun to present this type of performances

 

[reversehook]

This is embarassing really, when your opponent is telling you mid game while still batting as to how terrible you are doing...

I know Warner is trying to play tactics etc, however, he needs to realize this isnt a Eng, SA, or NZ side where the other team applies tactics or counter tactics, this is a buffet, just enjoy... tomorrow 1 of 2 things will happen, our bowlers happlessly keep doing what they were, or they will lamely bowl just fuller lengths and Warner and Lambuchagne will be already waiting for that... hopeless under misbah and waqar...

mind you, i knew we werent gonna win, but this is next level embarrasing...

 

[Hawkeye]

And he will be accountable very soon for all three but what do you guys want? Him to win in Australia? Which Houdini coach, selector or captain of Pakistan has managed to win in Australia in the last 25 years?

If you have hired someone, give him at least time or due process. The fact whether he shouldn't have been hired in the first place is long gone. It is done and dusted. What is the point of moaning about hiring process and why he cut corners to get to the top. It serves no purpose but to incite others and some people are happy at just moaning and inciting.

Now the fact of the matter remains, what happens when he leaves? We start winning? But I kind of don't believe his successor will also help us win in Australia. Yes if we lose to Sri Lanka as well, we might start to think about his roles and his ability.

The problem with our fans is that they have already made up their minds that someone is a failure or someone is a success. And then they swing and dance like a pendulum to those self-made thoughts.

I am not a Misbah follower neither do I care whether he leads the team or not. But I believe in due process and fair evaluation. And no one wants to give him a chance which is unfair because he needs a little time to either succeed or become a certified failure.

You have a bullock cart team and you expect Ferrari like results? No coach in the world could have done any better with the kind of team you have. Now Misbah should be blamed for some selection errors perhaps but I am pretty sure even Imran Khan couldn't make a decent bowler our of trundler Abbas or no-spin Yasir. You would have lost here even if you had gone back in time and brought back your past legends to play in this series. Point is Misbah already got a broken and dysfunctional team from Mickey, he is gonna need time to patch and fix. To add to his misery and contrary to popular belief here Pakistan has a severe lack of talent right now, especially in the bowling department, Misbah is trying his best to make do with what he has got. Best he can do is replacing one mediocre player with another on horses for courses basis, that will never work in Australia but that is all he or anyone can do with your team atm.

Excellent posts.

There are two reasons you see quite a few people hating on Misbah, when he hasn't even gotten a chance to build the team and apply his tactics.

1. Mickey Arthur fans are in a frenzy over his sacking. His successor, no matter who, would have been a target of this hate and extreme scrutiny.

2. Misbah's bad luck : Aus tour immediately after his appointment. We would have lost badly here even with IK, Wasim and Waqar.


Combining the two factors, those who have made up their mind to hate on him, without using their brains, will blame everything on him.

Misbah has already whitewashed the SL team in ODIs at home, in his first series.

 

[Hyperion66]

Excellent posts.

There are two reasons you see quite a few people hating on Misbah, when he hasn't even gotten a chance to build the team and apply his tactics.

1. Mickey Arthur fans are in a frenzy over his sacking. His successor, no matter who, would have been a target of this hate and extreme scrutiny.

2. Misbah's bad luck : Aus tour immediately after his appointment. We would have lost badly here even with IK, Wasim and Waqar.


Combining the two factors, those who have made up their mind to hate on him, without using their brains, will blame everything on him.

Misbah has already whitewashed the SL team in ODIs at home, in his first series.

Allow me to add one point in this already fine post, Mickey was extremely lucky to draw on and ride Hasan and Abbas' brief purple patches.

I sincerely hope that Misbah's honest effort pays dividend in the future, too good a man to not test success.

 

[Hyperion66]

Allow me to add one point in this already fine post, Mickey was extremely lucky to draw on and ride Hasan and Abbas' brief purple patches.

I sincerely hope that Misbah's honest effort pays dividend in the future, too good a man to not test success.

Taste

 

[AMSS]

Doesn't cause any difference really. Both scores reflect one sided massive domination by opposition batters. We are habituated to see these kinds of performances from BD bowlers but unfortunately Pakistani bowlers have begun to present this type of performances

Well said Mainul. Perfect reply to the conceited, unhelpful, and unnecessary remark from [MENTION=147130]happydavy[/MENTION]

 

[Shazzam]

And he will be accountable very soon for all three but what do you guys want? Him to win in Australia? Which Houdini coach, selector or captain of Pakistan has managed to win in Australia in the last 25 years?

What I want is for one for this mentality to go away that we cannot win in Australia. We have tried many times and failed. We will continue to fail if we keep expecting to lose every time we try. I see no point of sending our team there if our team is only there to lose cause Pakistan of the past failed to do so.

If you have hired someone, give him at least time or due process. The fact whether he shouldn't have been hired in the first place is long gone. It is done and dusted. What is the point of moaning about hiring process and why he cut corners to get to the top. It serves no purpose but to incite others and some people are happy at just moaning and inciting.

That is not why I am moaning. I am moaning cause his inexperience shows. His selection and coaching have been terrible. And we made these changes in a series before this one. If we were to go play in Australia we should have picked our experienced staff. Its sad but we lost this series before it even began with wholesome changes. It sadly never got the respect it deserved.

Now the fact of the matter remains, what happens when he leaves? We start winning? But I kind of don't believe his successor will also help us win in Australia. Yes if we lose to Sri Lanka as well, we might start to think about his roles and his ability.

If he leaves we find a more qualified coach and give him the time to build the team. With Misbah you will just never know. He is still trying to learn his trade in international cricket. Winning in Australia is out of the question unless your base is strong.

The problem with our fans is that they have already made up their minds that someone is a failure or someone is a success. And then they swing and dance like a pendulum to those self-made thoughts.

Thats true. Its humanity I guess? People have there likes and dislikes. People are judgmental. This is why its interesting to hear another’s perspective. In the end of the day no matter how we look at it we all want Pakistan to win.

I am not a Misbah follower neither do I care whether he leads the team or not. But I believe in due process and fair evaluation. And no one wants to give him a chance which is unfair because he needs a little time to either succeed or become a certified failure.

I mean with the blunders he has made thus far his inexperience is showing. We were supposed to find a successor to Mickey not a failure. I respect your opinion in wanting to give him a fair chance. But to me expecting someone to turn out good when he already has so many roles is expecting too much. If Misbah was allowed to develop his coaching skills in domestic than it would not be a problem. But doing it in international cricket is making a mockery of it.

 

[Shazzam]

You have a bullock cart team and you expect Ferrari like results? No coach in the world could have done any better with the kind of team you have. Now Misbah should be blamed for some selection errors perhaps but I am pretty sure even Imran Khan couldn't make a decent bowler our of trundler Abbas or no-spin Yasir. You would have lost here even if you had gone back in time and brought back your past legends to play in this series. Point is Misbah already got a broken and dysfunctional team from Mickey, he is gonna need time to patch and fix. To add to his misery and contrary to popular belief here Pakistan has a severe lack of talent right now, especially in the bowling department, Misbah is trying his best to make do with what he has got. Best he can do is replacing one mediocre player with another on horses for courses basis, that will never work in Australia but that is all he or anyone can do with your team atm.

I like your enthusiasm. You know what? I won’t even argue. I would like to see this team Misbah is gonna make. How much time you say he needs?

 

[Hyperion66]

I like your enthusiasm. You know what? I won’t even argue. I would like to see this team Misbah is gonna make. How much time you say he needs?

See how he does during your home games and then judge. It is not fair to bash him based on poor showing in Aus where your team has not won a match since time immemorial.

 

[Shazzam]

See how he does during your home games and then judge. It is not fair to bash him based on poor showing in Aus where your team has not won a match since time immemorial.

Lets be for real we all expected us to lose with whatever happen behind the scenes. What hurts is the lack of fight we are giving. We are not lacking in experienced fast bowlers. He could have easily selected them in this tour. But what he did instead was debut two youngsters. Its not fair to them. So his selection is rightfully judged. His coaching is as well. Now this Sri-Lanka Test is coming up. I agree if we fail there he should be heavily judged.

 

[MenInG]

Lets be for real we all expected us to lose with whatever happen behind the scenes. What hurts is the lack of fight we are giving. We are not lacking in experienced fast bowlers. He could have easily selected them in this tour. But what he did instead was debut two youngsters. Its not fair to them. So his selection is rightfully judged. His coaching is as well. Now this Sri-Lanka Test is coming up. I agree if we fail there he should be heavily judged.

Lack of fight or fight - but still lose - that's the bottom line in all tours of Australia.

 

[Hyperion66]

Lets be for real we all expected us to lose with whatever happen behind the scenes. What hurts is the lack of fight we are giving. We are not lacking in experienced fast bowlers. He could have easily selected them in this tour. But what he did instead was debut two youngsters. Its not fair to them. So his selection is rightfully judged. His coaching is as well. Now this Sri-Lanka Test is coming up. I agree if we fail there he should be heavily judged.

Even if he picked older and experienced players he still would have been bashed even heavier here for picking 'Oldies' instead of fresh and exciting youngster beauties. Point is, some people here just love to hate him, they are bitter and agenda driven and would keep on hating irrespective of his selection, not saying you are one of them BTW. I am actually baffled to see the kind of words that some of the senior members of this board used to describe your one of the most decorated and successful captains. I am sorry to say this again, but I honestly don't think even your most experienced bowlers would have been treated any better by Warner and Co.

 

[Markhor]

So this is how bad things have gotten where the opposition player is literally trying to coach the opposition mid-Test.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

A man full of confidence, if he keeps going Brian Lara’s record won’t be too far away

 

[Shazzam]

Even if he picked older and experienced players he still would have been bashed even heavier here for picking 'Oldies' instead of fresh and exciting youngster beauties. Point is, some people here just love to hate him, they are bitter and agenda driven and would keep on hating irrespective of his selection, not saying you are one of them BTW. I am actually baffled to see the kind of words that some of the senior members of this board used to describe your one of the most decorated and successful captains. I am sorry to say this again, but I honestly don't think even your most experienced bowlers would have been treated any better by Warner and Co.

In my opinion Misbah himself is to blame by taking up the most important roles in Pakistan cricket. When you do that you are in the firing line. I agree though at this point no matter who you pick they will get bashed by this team. With only two Tests its hard to really make a impression. When I mentioned experienced bowlers I ment for them to be here instead of two youngsters who are sadly having to debut in the worst possible way. If you had experienced bowlers you would know what to expect from them. It would give a impression they are here to win instead of using this series to grow. You could try youngsters against lesser teams.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Every tour same mistakes.

 

[Big Mac]

Every tour same mistakes.

Tell me about it. For 30 years we've been seeing Pakistani bowlers get carried away and bowling short in Australia.

 

[Titan24]

Warner looks to be eying the coaching role post retirement.

 

[The Viper]

I don't understand the point of bowling short- it doesn't threaten players who are used to the conditions and are well equipped to the short ball.

Why can't Waqar instruct them to pitch the bowl up?

 

[zn426]

Warner looks to be eying the coaching role post retirement.

I mean why not, he can't be any worse than the incompetence we've seen thus far.

 

[lifecric7]

Amazed at the amount of planning goes into Australian batting!

That’s what professional teams do.

 

[moghul]

Even the rival batsmen are showing sympathies with Pakistani bowlers.

 

[JattMaula]

Kind of language used by Warner in this series in press conferences reminds me of times when big football club players talk about minnow team after friendlies.

 

[sshakir411]

All praise to Wicky bhai the messiah. This guy is an effing joke

 

[MenInG]

Only 21 of Warner's runs came past mid-off and mid-on!