Matter of concern: Umar Amin and Haris Sohail's hitting ability

[khurram39]

2nd T20I:

We saw good start of the innings by Pakistan at last and along with this Sarfraz batting at #4 which is highly demanded.

Now the real question is about Umar Amin & Haris Sohail. They are in the camp and we didn't sent them to bat, instead we sent Hassan Ali prior to them.

Does management really think they are not capable of hitting big shots or something else? Don't know please help me out.

 

[BlueDoritos]

These 2 are not needed in LOIs if Inzamam selects the right players. Talat, Saad, Mukhtar, Maqsood 2.0.

 

[Ahson8]

Don’t think Amin’s a long-term player

 

[Ahson8]

These 2 are not needed in LOIs if Inzamam selects the right players. Talat, Saad, Mukhtar, Maqsood 2.0.

Haris is very much needed in ODIs atleast

 

[boomboom6]

Haris should only be selected for tests and odis, don't need him for t20. Amin on the other hand is just not good enough. Need to find 2 replacements for them for t20s, preferably middle order dashers to complement Babar & Sarfaraz.

Hussain Talat comes to mind to replace Haris and Yamin can take Amin's place.

 

[DRsohail]

both are odi players.

 

[BlueDoritos]

Haris is very much needed in ODIs atleast

No he's too slow for ODIs.

Our current ODI batting line up is in shambles, and Haris scored some very slow 50s after the top order failed and NZ eased up.
He's not bad at all, and deserves to play ahead of Hafeez and Malik.

But... He's not a modern LOI player. There are better batsmen for number 5 and 6 in the domestic cricket, who should be selected because they're the modern LOI players.
Number 3 and 4 should be locked for Babar and Sarfaraz for now. Haris shouldn't bat lower than 4. That's why I said that.

 

[Lynx]

Haris is very much needed in Tests and ODIs, but he's simply not someone who can clear the boundaries at will. Shouldn't be playing this format at all. We're surely better off with guys like Maqsood and even Umar Akmal in T20s over him.

Umar Amin is just one massive disappointment. Doesn't seem cut out for international cricket whenever he's been given opportunities.

 

[Ahson8]

No he's too slow for ODIs.

Our current ODI batting line up is in shambles, and Haris scored some very slow 50s after the top order failed and NZ eased up.
He's not bad at all, and deserves to play ahead of Hafeez and Malik.

But... He's not a modern LOI player. There are better batsmen for number 5 and 6 in the domestic cricket, who should be selected because they're the modern LOI players.
Number 3 and 4 should be locked for Babar and Sarfaraz for now. Haris shouldn't bat lower than 4. That's why I said that.

He is far better than Mukhtar or Maqsood. Those guys are too hit & miss for ODIs and have terrible techniques. Saad isn’t a faster player than Haris by any means. Even if he is a tad slow (I think he’s fine, usually bats at a S/R of 80-90), we don’t really have other options

 

[Fahdi]

No he's too slow for ODIs.

Our current ODI batting line up is in shambles, and Haris scored some very slow 50s after the top order failed and NZ eased up.
He's not bad at all, and deserves to play ahead of Hafeez and Malik.

But... He's not a modern LOI player. There are better batsmen for number 5 and 6 in the domestic cricket, who should be selected because they're the modern LOI players.
Number 3 and 4 should be locked for Babar and Sarfaraz for now. Haris shouldn't bat lower than 4. That's why I said that.

Haris was striking at 80+ in the start of both innings. First match I thought he was maybe a bit selfish to slow down near his 50. Second match he brought the team to a stage from where the match was winnable. He was starting to hit out and had he lasted for 4-5 more overs Pakistan may have won. The fact is everyone around him failed miserably and he did his best to keep things together. Haris is by far the best player of fast bowling in the team and should be opening the batting, throughout his career he has had to come in during the first 10 overs and has scored at a quick rate each time and looked solid.

 

[Hamstead_joy]

Not 2
you have 3 useless options in the middle order[Babar, Umar Amin, Harris] for a T20, and we all know why is that. It is ploy of Inzamam to protect Hafeez and Shoaib Malik places. which is why I don't regret Umar Amin, Harris Sohail are not dropped. Deserve to play full series.
This is why Sarfaraz coming up and doing well is so important. Not only he kept scoring rate up 8-9 runs at minimum, he pushed Babar strike rate also. Babar would've ended with similar or worse strike rate than Shehzad if it was not for Sarfaraz. In a T20 even a 25+ on 15 orless balls by Sarfaraz is good for the team.

Not every batsman can hit on the bounce on such a t20 pitch. In Pakistan
Sohaib Maqsood, Awais Zia, Mukhtar, Asif Ali, Sohail Akhtar, Faheem, Khurram Shehzad or Farhan are some who can do it. any of them selected would strengthen Pakistan hitting capability only if Inzamam allows that.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

every team will send their rookie hitters to slog hard when there is 2 overs or less than that...

havent u guys seen the team sending afridi or razzaq when there is 5 -10 balls to go even though they had Inzi and Moyo in the dug out. sometimes these sloggers score lucky boundaries like top edge or french cut or chinese cut or dilscoop etc..

if regular batsman are sent and if they fail to score then suddenly they become poor batsmen in one game. this is how pak lost Uakmal as a batsman who became a slogger altogether.. At this point even kohli would send hardik to slog and not even himself..

 

[UN talkz]

Haris fielding was brilliant today though
Both aren't T20 players But both of them can play as Openers in T20Is

 

[aloo paratha]

Haris is not a T20 batsmen, and even if he was going to play T20s, you wouldn't send him to finish the innings.

 

[SM1989]

These 2 are not needed in LOIs if Inzamam selects the right players. Talat, Saad, Mukhtar, Maqsood 2.0.

Mukhtar was exposed against Sri Lanka. He could only attack zimbabwe bowlers in Gaddafi Stadium.

 

[Abdullah719]

Haris is not a T20 batsmen, and even if he was going to play T20s, you wouldn't send him to finish the innings.

This squad doesn't have many options, I think they probably were planning to have an open middle-order - probably Haris would have come at 3 if we lost an early wicket but he was demoted once there was a good partnership up front.

Amin also in the playing XI due to a lack of options, really. Yamin would be a much better option for he middle-order though but it seems that they don't think of him as a proper batting option.

 

[BlueDoritos]

Mukhtar was exposed against Sri Lanka. He could only attack zimbabwe bowlers in Gaddafi Stadium.

Anwar destroyed Lanka, should we bring him back?!
Lol Mukhtar has played only 6 T20Is. He deserves a run of games. He's the most aggressive LOI opener in Pakistani domestic cricket and deserves a chance ahead of batsmen like Amin. He's also just turned 25, so there's time to improve.

 

[Hasan123]

They have never been big hitters, this was known when they were selected. Don't understand why you seem surprised at this.

 

[Rayyman]

Amin from what I have seen is mainly good when there is pace on the ball. Bowlers will adjust and bowl slower ones to him. He is good against spinners, but they don't bowl at the death. So yes, he is a bit of a liability in the team with FZ, Bobby and Saifi already there. Don't see a future for him tbh.

Haris is a good hitter overall when set, can play against fast & spin all around the ground, has great timing and placement. Only problem with him is that he takes time to get set so if he is to play T20Is, then I would send him no lower than #4 and not in the last few overs.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Have watched them bat and I can say they aren’t big hitters of the cricket ball. They both rely on timing rather than brute force, which helps them manipulate the field and keep the scoreboard ticking. However, not your #1 choice if you want to score more than 10-12 an over, they would best play a support role.

Lastly, I think Pakistan should pick either of Haris or Amin as they both are very similar players and would be liability in final overs if they are to bat together.

 

[Sirris]

Lets keep our expectations low and let the new guys settle in.

 

[babajee]

Neither of them should be in the T20 team. Babar is enough.

Fakhar
Shehzad/Mukhtar
Babar
Sarfraz
Maqsood/Umar
Talat

 

[Saj]

I don't get why people think Umar Amin is a big hitter or ever was a big hitter.

He came into international cricket as a middle-order, orthodox Test player and not a lot has changed.

Once again the selectors trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

 

[Sher Khan]

I don't get why people think Umar Amin is a big hitter or ever was a big hitter.

He came into international cricket as a middle-order, orthodox Test player and not a lot has changed.

Once again the selectors trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

That's true he wasn't a big hitter. But he himself revealed that he has been working hard to develop his power hitting skills and if you take a look at his recent domestic inning, then you can see that he has been hitting a high number of sixes as compared to the others.

 

[MMHS]

Amin was never a T20 player and shouldn't be there either. But, Haris can hit big and in even T10, one batsman should be there who can play conventional boundary shots. His problem is his fitness, which forces him to go after desperately, within 1/2 hours of batting; but in T20, I am sure he can play better shots for the small duration.

 

[Sean143]

Well he wasn't so bad today. 21 of 7 balls is great effort

 

[SM1989]

Good reply to the critics by Amin. His talent is clearly there.

 

[Savak]

Umar Amin can hit spinners big. Have seen it many times in domestic cricket.

 

[badsha001]

Impressed by Umar Amin today, really timed well... Same balls were missed by Babar Azam

 

[Rayyman]

Amin from what I have seen is mainly good when there is pace on the ball. Bowlers will adjust and bowl slower ones to him. He is good against spinners, but they don't bowl at the death. So yes, he is a bit of a liability in the team with FZ, Bobby and Saifi already there. Don't see a future for him tbh.

Haris is a good hitter overall when set, can play against fast & spin all around the ground, has great timing and placement. Only problem with him is that he takes time to get set so if he is to play T20Is, then I would send him no lower than #4 and not in the last few overs.

Well today KW made a mistake of bowling Sodhi at the death and Amin took full toll of it.

 

[Railu Katta]

They are both better hitters than Babar Azam. Babar has NO power game and he kills momentum at 3. Selfie and Babar should be dropped for others who can bat well.

 

[Red Devil]

Gotta love how unselfish Amin's innings was today. Could've gone back to tuk tuk mode after hitting a boundary but he played for the team.

 

[boomboom6]

Amin just played the knock of his life to save his career! )

 

[Syed1]

Shut up call to experts by both today.

 

[Rayyman]

Impressed by Umar Amin today, really timed well... Same balls were missed by Babar Azam

They are both better hitters than Babar Azam. Babar has NO power game and he kills momentum at 3. Selfie and Babar should be dropped for others who can bat well.

Seriously where did Babar and Shehzad come from? They bat in Top 3 not #6. Both put 30+ partnership with Fakhar at 100+ strike rate which laid foundation for hitting at the end.

 

[yasir]

Hitting leggy in 18th over does not prove, you can wack, he was dropped once and got out as well in same over.

Babar, Sarfraz, Harris all are not power player, when they try to put extra power, they loose timing. 80% of the time you get phatta track in LOIs, these guys are not suited for it, you can play one such player for safety net by not 3/4.

We need Fakhir/Sharjeel type players, at least two more to make a modern batting unit.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What was wrong with Amin's sixes today?

 

[BlueDoritos]

Both played chancy knocks today.

Reading the scoreboard won't tell the real story both were dropped. But still nice cameos by both.