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Perhaps there is a lesson there on how to handle the engineered disturbances of NE Delhi, tweets Tathagata Roy
Meghalaya Governor Tathagata Roy has suggested India could resort to the method China used in tackling the Tiananmen Square protest to handle the communal violence in Delhi. The Governor later deleted his tweet on Tiananmen and Xiaoping.

At least 300 people died on June 4, 1989, after Chinese soldiers cracked down on pro-democracy protesters, mostly university students, in Beijing’s landmark square.

“Remember Tiananmen Square, Beijing in 1988 (sic)? And how Deng Xiaoping handled it? Perhaps there is a lesson there on how to handle the engineered disturbances of NE Delhi! I’m sure all comrades will agree!” Mr. Roy tweeted from his Twitter handle on Wednesday.
 
This is a new low even by lowest sanghi standards.....
 
How is this publicly communal pest is still holding a constitutional post is beyond me? However when the ring master is still there, he is still a very small fry in the scheme of things....
 
This is a new low even by lowest sanghi standards.....

He is an idiot. China faced pro democracy protestors, while India is facing anti democracy protestors. India, as a liberal democratic country, is showing that it allows space for dissent to even those who are against the constitution and democracy.
 
He is an idiot. China faced pro democracy protestors, while India is facing anti democracy protestors. India, as a liberal democratic country, is showing that it allows space for dissent to even those who are against the constitution and democracy.

Anti-democratic protests? How so? Any examples?
 
Anti-democratic protests? How so? Any examples?

The protests against the citizenship amendment act are anti democratic and meant to undermine the system of parliamentary democracy.

Elected representatives pass a law within the constitutional framework. It can be withdrawn only by the instruction of the court in the only special case when it goes against the basic structure of the constitution. Putting pressure on govt to withdraw it is the language of anarchy and anti democracy.

Even if you give the excuse that it is unconstitutional, then there are two flaws with that argument. The Supreme Court decides if a law is unconstitutional not anyone else. Two, it is not an open and shut case as these ignorant protestors think, and many valid arguments can be given for either side.
 
This governor needs to kicked out of his office for saying stupid things. Too many loonies are getting away by saying terrible things on social media.
 
The protests against the citizenship amendment act are anti democratic and meant to undermine the system of parliamentary democracy.

Elected representatives pass a law within the constitutional framework. It can be withdrawn only by the instruction of the court in the only special case when it goes against the basic structure of the constitution. Putting pressure on govt to withdraw it is the language of anarchy and anti democracy.

Even if you give the excuse that it is unconstitutional, then there are two flaws with that argument. The Supreme Court decides if a law is unconstitutional not anyone else. Two, it is not an open and shut case as these ignorant protestors think, and many valid arguments can be given for either side.

Protesting against the government and its policies is a democratic right. Don’t know what makes you think otherwise.
 
Protesting against the government and its policies is a democratic right. Don’t know what makes you think otherwise.

Completely agree as long as the protests do not include burning buses and damaging public property.
 
The protests against the citizenship amendment act are anti democratic and meant to undermine the system of parliamentary democracy.

Elected representatives pass a law within the constitutional framework. It can be withdrawn only by the instruction of the court in the only special case when it goes against the basic structure of the constitution. Putting pressure on govt to withdraw it is the language of anarchy and anti democracy.

Even if you give the excuse that it is unconstitutional, then there are two flaws with that argument. The Supreme Court decides if a law is unconstitutional not anyone else. Two, it is not an open and shut case as these ignorant protestors think, and many valid arguments can be given for either side.

In what kind of democracy do you live if you feel protesting against an unjust law is seen as undemocratic. This is ludicrous post and it shows the lack of any intellectual depth in your silly argument.
 
Completely agree as long as the protests do not include burning buses and damaging public property.

Buses and public property are bound to be damaged when your own police is preventing you from partaking in peaceful protests.
 
In what kind of democracy do you live if you feel protesting against an unjust law is seen as undemocratic. This is ludicrous post and it shows the lack of any intellectual depth in your silly argument.

Unjust law, is that what you said. Please show me your intellectual depth and show how the law is unjust. Please don't run away.
 
Buses and public property are bound to be damaged when your own police is preventing you from partaking in peaceful protests.

causing inconvenience to others, blocking public roads, and not for a day but for more than two months, with the only demand being that the law be withdrawn, is anarchy, not democratic right. Rights and duties go hand in hand.
 
There is an entitled bunch which doesn't respect democracy and doesn't respect the vote. They delayed Brexit for years, and still haven't accepted the democratic mandate since Trump won. Democracy is democracy only when things go their way, otherwise it is fascism and racism. The constitutional machinery be damned.
 
He is an idiot. China faced pro democracy protestors, while India is facing anti democracy protestors. India, as a liberal democratic country, is showing that it allows space for dissent to even those who are against the constitution and democracy.

Well it's certainly allowing space for mob justice with the police aiding concerned citizens by smashing CCTV cameras as they dole out prescriptive measures to the protestors.
 
There is an entitled bunch which doesn't respect democracy and doesn't respect the vote. They delayed Brexit for years, and still haven't accepted the democratic mandate since Trump won. Democracy is democracy only when things go their way, otherwise it is fascism and racism. The constitutional machinery be damned.

You seem to care about democracy quite a lot. What’s your take on India’s dip in the democracy index since Modi took power?
 
You seem to care about democracy quite a lot. What’s your take on India’s dip in the democracy index since Modi took power?

While the form of democracy in india is not perfect, I would need to know the methodology of the calculation of the index, and how much weight each parameter is given, and whether it is justified, before I can comment on it.

So keeping the discussion on track, if blocking roads for months is your democratic right, what about the democratic right of someone who runs shops along the road, or uses the road for daily commute? How does ones right cannibalize the right of another?
 
Well it's certainly allowing space for mob justice with the police aiding concerned citizens by smashing CCTV cameras as they dole out prescriptive measures to the protestors.

That is a failure of law enforcement if it is not able to check the biases of those who are meant to enforce the law, and failure of the judiciary if it is not able to punish those who break laws, but it is not the failure of the legislature. And the protest is against the legislature.
 
Unjust law, is that what you said. Please show me your intellectual depth and show how the law is unjust. Please don't run away.

Firstly, you backed down from your bizarre democracy, being able to demonstrate is part and parcel of a democracy but obviously not where you come from. As to your point, what is the reason for the law, do you think Modi suddenly found love for minorities from other countries? Lol
 
There is an entitled bunch which doesn't respect democracy and doesn't respect the vote. They delayed Brexit for years, and still haven't accepted the democratic mandate since Trump won. Democracy is democracy only when things go their way, otherwise it is fascism and racism. The constitutional machinery be damned.

No its not. Where have you been brought up and far as Trump is concerned, he didn't get a majority. Hillary won the popular vote.
 
Firstly, you backed down from your bizarre democracy, being able to demonstrate is part and parcel of a democracy but obviously not where you come from. As to your point, what is the reason for the law, do you think Modi suddenly found love for minorities from other countries? Lol

You can start with explaining 1. what the law is and 2. how it is unjust. Go on.
 
No its not. Where have you been brought up and far as Trump is concerned, he didn't get a majority. Hillary won the popular vote.

Did he win according to the electoral process or not? Or were the rules changed to make him win? But this is a digression and you can ignore it, but please answer for my post above.
 
You can start with explaining 1. what the law is and 2. how it is unjust. Go on.

The law is well documented and it has been widely condemned by Hindus as well as Muslims. So tell me once again why the law was passed, did Modi suddenly find love for Minorities in other countries?
 
Did he win according to the electoral process or not? Or were the rules changed to make him win? But this is a digression and you can ignore it, but please answer for my post above.

But you said democratic mandate, did Trump have the majority of the popular vote to get through contentious legislation, and don't forget 2, things, the Republicans disenfranchised 1000s of people and and blatantly cheated in 2000. So based on that, the protestors have every right to protest.
 
The law is well documented and it has been widely condemned by Hindus as well as Muslims. So tell me once again why the law was passed, did Modi suddenly find love for Minorities in other countries?

So you concede you don't know what the law is and how it is unjust.

If some have condemned the law, then some have supported the law. How did you decide it was unjust?

The summary of the law can be written in two lines if you know about it. I am not debating on technicalities, but to know the gist of what you have understood. Go on, you have my attention.
 
So you concede you don't know what the law is and how it is unjust.

If some have condemned the law, then some have supported the law. How did you decide it was unjust?

The summary of the law can be written in two lines if you know about it. I am not debating on technicalities, but to know the gist of what you have understood. Go on, you have my attention.

It's called substance over form. Why are you running from my question, what is the intention of the law. Did Modi, a man whose followers killed and murdered nuns and killed people for eating beef, suddenly find love for Minorities.
 
It's called substance over form. Why are you running from my question, what is the intention of the law. Did Modi, a man whose followers killed and murdered nuns and killed people for eating beef, suddenly find love for Minorities.

I will answer your questions, if you show the courage to answer mine. I asked first. You called the law unjust. But you are avoiding explaining what the law is and how it is unjust. Still have my attention.
 
The law is unjust and discriminates against Muslims, its long term intentions are to make Millions of Muslims stateless. As Mukul Kesavan put it in the Guardian "The cutting edge of this majoritarian project is a radical two-pronged assault on Indian citizenship. First, the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), which is designed to fast-track non-Muslim migrants from carefully chosen Muslim majority countries into citizenship, has created, by implication, a religious test for citizenship.

This new law is to be followed by the compilation of a national register of citizens (NRC) that will compel Indians to document their Indianness. Non-Muslims who fail to satisfy the NRC’s tribunals might be able to use the loophole created by the amended citizenship law to find a path to citizenship. Muslims who fail the test will have no recourse: they will be cast into the kind of limbo that the Rohingya experienced in Rakhine before they were violently purged from that province.
So over to you tell me about the rapists and Murderers intentions.
 
The law is unjust and discriminates against Muslims, its long term intentions are to make Millions of Muslims stateless. As Mukul Kesavan put it in the Guardian "The cutting edge of this majoritarian project is a radical two-pronged assault on Indian citizenship. First, the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), which is designed to fast-track non-Muslim migrants from carefully chosen Muslim majority countries into citizenship, has created, by implication, a religious test for citizenship.

This new law is to be followed by the compilation of a national register of citizens (NRC) that will compel Indians to document their Indianness. Non-Muslims who fail to satisfy the NRC’s tribunals might be able to use the loophole created by the amended citizenship law to find a path to citizenship. Muslims who fail the test will have no recourse: they will be cast into the kind of limbo that the Rohingya experienced in Rakhine before they were violently purged from that province.
So over to you tell me about the rapists and Murderers intentions.

The writer has problem with two things, the CAA and the NRC. NRC hasn't happened, and it is not tabled in the parliament. I have my own apprehensions against the NRC, but cannot comment unless I see the draft.

So that leaves us with CAA, which is the only amendment till now.

CAA does not take away any Indian's citizenship.
It provides citizenship to refugees from three neighbouring countries.
For those from other countries, there was a waiting period of 11 years before they were naturalized as citizens.
This amendment gives fast track to religious minorities and reduced their waiting period to 5 years instead of 11.
For those who are not religious minorities, the earlier period of 11 years will apply.
Even for those religious minorities who got waiting time of 5 years, there is a cut off date of 2014.
Indian laws favour minorities in almost everything. Even the fundamental rights have execptions when it comes to minorities and some fundamental rights are not given to majority. So this amendment follows the same spirit: give minorities preference. This is a pro minority law. How is that unjust?

If, at all it discriminates, then it discriminates against Pakistani and Bangladeshi muslims. You tell me how many pakistani muslims really want to move to India? They might like to move to UK/europe, but with the exception of the odd adnan sami, which pakistani would like to move to india? I don't see Pakistani or Bangladeshi muslims protesting against this law, when it, if at all, discriminates against them. Even the more aware Indian muslims are not protesting against this law, but about the other law which is a promise by the govt, but not even in the draft stage yet.

Some woke indians are protesting against CAA because they think it is against the constitution. But it is not an open and shut case. Even the best outcome ( for the anti CAA protestors ) will be that it is unconstitutional because it is not complete, and more minorities may get added, but by no stretch of imagination it is anti muslim law. If this is anti muslim law, then most of the laws in the constitution are anti hindu or anti upper caste ( not my logic, but the logic of those who call it anti muslim).

So if you think that this law is anti muslim and unjust, then you have to agree that other cherished laws in the constitution are also unjust and anti hindu. Tell me if you object to this statement.

Now to answer your question about Modi's intention. I cannot guess what his intention is. But this is a poor argument that the law is bad because Modi is bringing it. Will the same law be good if Manmohan Singh was bringing it? Should the refugees wait till Modi is overthrown, and a new PM is sworn in, and the same law is passed, because now there is a person whose intention cannot be doubted? Should any law that does good to the disenfranchised be stopped till Modi is overthrown, because his intentions are doubtful? You see the problem with that line of argument?

The only objection against the CAA from Indians should have been: Why don't you show the same concern about the welfare of the minorities in india, the same way you are (rightfully) showing it for minority refugees?

But they are barking up the wrong tree and calling this law unjust and anti muslim out of ignorance and propaganda.
 
The writer has problem with two things, the CAA and the NRC. NRC hasn't happened, and it is not tabled in the parliament. I have my own apprehensions against the NRC, but cannot comment unless I see the draft.

So that leaves us with CAA, which is the only amendment till now.

CAA does not take away any Indian's citizenship.
It provides citizenship to refugees from three neighbouring countries.
For those from other countries, there was a waiting period of 11 years before they were naturalized as citizens.
This amendment gives fast track to religious minorities and reduced their waiting period to 5 years instead of 11.
For those who are not religious minorities, the earlier period of 11 years will apply.
Even for those religious minorities who got waiting time of 5 years, there is a cut off date of 2014.
Indian laws favour minorities in almost everything. Even the fundamental rights have execptions when it comes to minorities and some fundamental rights are not given to majority. So this amendment follows the same spirit: give minorities preference. This is a pro minority law. How is that unjust?

If, at all it discriminates, then it discriminates against Pakistani and Bangladeshi muslims. You tell me how many pakistani muslims really want to move to India? They might like to move to UK/europe, but with the exception of the odd adnan sami, which pakistani would like to move to india? I don't see Pakistani or Bangladeshi muslims protesting against this law, when it, if at all, discriminates against them. Even the more aware Indian muslims are not protesting against this law, but about the other law which is a promise by the govt, but not even in the draft stage yet.

Some woke indians are protesting against CAA because they think it is against the constitution. But it is not an open and shut case. Even the best outcome ( for the anti CAA protestors ) will be that it is unconstitutional because it is not complete, and more minorities may get added, but by no stretch of imagination it is anti muslim law. If this is anti muslim law, then most of the laws in the constitution are anti hindu or anti upper caste ( not my logic, but the logic of those who call it anti muslim).

So if you think that this law is anti muslim and unjust, then you have to agree that other cherished laws in the constitution are also unjust and anti hindu. Tell me if you object to this statement.

Now to answer your question about Modi's intention. I cannot guess what his intention is. But this is a poor argument that the law is bad because Modi is bringing it. Will the same law be good if Manmohan Singh was bringing it? Should the refugees wait till Modi is overthrown, and a new PM is sworn in, and the same law is passed, because now there is a person whose intention cannot be doubted? Should any law that does good to the disenfranchised be stopped till Modi is overthrown, because his intentions are doubtful? You see the problem with that line of argument?

The only objection against the CAA from Indians should have been: Why don't you show the same concern about the welfare of the minorities in india, the same way you are (rightfully) showing it for minority refugees?

But they are barking up the wrong tree and calling this law unjust and anti muslim out of ignorance and propaganda.

Let me give you a simple scenario, an Indian Muslim isn't documented and at the same time a Hindu isn't documented, guess which of these 2 can't get citizenship? And you say the law isn't unjust.
 
Let me give you a simple scenario, an Indian Muslim isn't documented and at the same time a Hindu isn't documented, guess which of these 2 can't get citizenship? And you say the law isn't unjust.

CAA doesn't cover this simple scenario. This is why it helps to know what you are talking about. What you are saying is the apprehension about the yet to be drafted NRC. Not CAA.

This scenario does not apply to CAA. It is not meant for Indian citizens.
 
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CAA doesn't cover this simple scenario. This is why it helps to know what you are talking about. What you are saying is the apprehension about the yet to be drafted NRC. Not CAA.

This scenario does not apply to CAA. It is not meant for Indian citizens.

But is that scenario likely? Yes or no.
 
CAA doesn't cover this simple scenario. This is why it helps to know what you are talking about. What you are saying is the apprehension about the yet to be drafted NRC. Not CAA.

This scenario does not apply to CAA. It is not meant for Indian citizens.

Next you're going to say the rowlatt law was perfectly OK too
Not sure what's wrong with thousands of peaceful protestors taking to the streets.
Isn't that how India was established
 
But is that scenario likely? Yes or no.

This is not applicable to CAA. So do you still call CAA unjust?

While anything is possible in this world, I will be surprised if such a scenario happens, will get to know if and when NRC is tabled in the parliament. But why are protestors asking to roll back CAA when it doesn't take away anyones citizenship, and posters like you calling it unjust?
 
This is not applicable to CAA. So do you still call CAA unjust?

While anything is possible in this world, I will be surprised if such a scenario happens, will get to know if and when NRC is tabled in the parliament. But why are protestors asking to roll back CAA when it doesn't take away anyones citizenship, and posters like you calling it unjust?

Is the law a prelude to the other law or not, are the 2 laws linked or not?
 
Next you're going to say the rowlatt law was perfectly OK too
Not sure what's wrong with thousands of peaceful protestors taking to the streets.
Isn't that how India was established

Nothing wrong with protesting, but blocking an entire road for months is the issue. What about the rights of those who do business there and use it for commuting? It was OK for a few days. This sort of blackmail has no place in democracy.

Unless you want to bring inqilab, but here the protestors are claiming to protect the constitution, while trampling on the rights of fellow citizens and not following the fundemental duties mentioned in the same constitution. At least shed the hypocricy and say we want inqilaab.

Also, the protest should have been about NRC (when and if at all it happens), but protest against CAA is giving the wrong communal message.
 
I can say that when the other law happens. How is the first law anti muslim and unjust?

You are hiding, they are are 2 laws that work hand in glove and hence when they do, the intention of the 1st law is revealed by the 2nd. Your semantics are pretty pathetic.
 
You are hiding, they are are 2 laws that work hand in glove and hence when they do, the intention of the 1st law is revealed by the 2nd. Your semantics are pretty pathetic.

I am hiding exactly what? Do you think I have a copy of the second law that you know about?

How can I discuss something which is not public yet and I don't have access to? If you know anything about the NRC draft do share it.
 
This is the problem. When people say there are no 2 laws - only 1 that has been passed in the parliament and another that has not been tabled yet - let alone implemented - it completely goes over everyone's head.

This whole agitation has been built on a false premise.
 
I am hiding exactly what? Do you think I have a copy of the second law that you know about?

How can I discuss something which is not public yet and I don't have access to? If you know anything about the NRC draft do share it.
All this discussion shows that all you Indians are denial. You avoided my question as to why the CAA was passed knowing full well that its real intention was going to be revealed by the 2nd law. You are making out that some gives a toss what you think about the 2nd law. What a pointless discussion with you. I thought I was discussing with someone intelligent.
 
This is the problem. When people say there are no 2 laws - only 1 that has been passed in the parliament and another that has not been tabled yet - let alone implemented - it completely goes over everyone's head.

This whole agitation has been built on a false premise.

Really? Tell me what the intention of the 2nd law is and how the 1st law links to it. As you fully know( or I hope you day) that the 2 laws were planned together all along. Hence the reason your friend avoided the question on why the CAA was passed.
 
I can't answer that because I can't discuss something that hasn't been put forward yet. Perhaps you can tell me how a law that does not affect the citizenship of any existing Indian can be referenced with something that does not exist.
 
All this discussion shows that all you Indians are denial. You avoided my question as to why the CAA was passed knowing full well that its real intention was going to be revealed by the 2nd law. You are making out that some gives a toss what you think about the 2nd law. What a pointless discussion with you. I thought I was discussing with someone intelligent.

I answered your question regarding the intention. Let us assume that the intentions are bad, so should all laws which help the poor, the minority, the disenfranchised by suspended till the Modi govt is overthrown and a new PM is sworn in, whose intentions are not doubtful?

I already said I have my own apprehensions about the promise of NRC (the second law), but unless I see its draft I cannot comment? If you think avoiding premature articulation is living in denial, then I can't say anything.

In fact, had the protests been against NRC, they still would have some merit, but against CAA is only giving a communal message, which is what I was trying to warn the protestors about, but I had to leave Delhi (used to live at ground zero of the protests).
 
I can't answer that because I can't discuss something that hasn't been put forward yet. Perhaps you can tell me how a law that does not affect the citizenship of any existing Indian can be referenced with something that does not exist.

Stop hiding and show your cards. Was it or was it not the intention to link the 2 laws together to unjustly deny Indian Muslims citizenship
 
Really? Tell me what the intention of the 2nd law is and how the 1st law links to it. As you fully know( or I hope you day) that the 2 laws were planned together all along. Hence the reason your friend avoided the question on why the CAA was passed.

I never avoided your question about the intention. You should read my response.
 
Stop hiding and show your cards. Was it or was it not the intention to link the 2 laws together to unjustly deny Indian Muslims citizenship

There is no second law... so I am not sure how to answer you! The NRC you are talking about is not even a bill yet!
 
Stop hiding and show your cards. Was it or was it not the intention to link the 2 laws together to unjustly deny Indian Muslims citizenship

If there is a law planned to take away indian muslims citizenship, then there is no need for the first law. How does the first law help any future law in taking away indian muslims citizenship?
 
I answered your question regarding the intention. Let us assume that the intentions are bad, so should all laws which help the poor, the minority, the disenfranchised by suspended till the Modi govt is overthrown and a new PM is sworn in, whose intentions are not doubtful?

I already said I have my own apprehensions about the promise of NRC (the second law), but unless I see its draft I cannot comment? If you think avoiding premature articulation is living in denial, then I can't say anything.

In fact, had the protests been against NRC, they still would have some merit, but against CAA is only giving a communal message, which is what I was trying to warn the protestors about, but I had to leave Delhi (used to live at ground zero of the protests).

Because unlike you people can put 2 and 2 together. It's not rocket science, this was planned all along. And it's to their great credit that they refused to be cowed, unlike the likes of you living in ignorant bliss and cowardly subservience.
 
Nothing wrong with protesting, but blocking an entire road for months is the issue. What about the rights of those who do business there and use it for commuting? It was OK for a few days. This sort of blackmail has no place in democracy.

Unless you want to bring inqilab, but here the protestors are claiming to protect the constitution, while trampling on the rights of fellow citizens and not following the fundemental duties mentioned in the same constitution. At least shed the hypocricy and say we want inqilaab.

Also, the protest should have been about NRC (when and if at all it happens), but protest against CAA is giving the wrong communal message.

It might even have indirectly caused the aap to win in new delhi
I'm sure you would let the hindutva thugs get away with murder.

Come back to me when they put the Internet back on in kashmir
 
If there is a law planned to take away indian muslims citizenship, then there is no need for the first law. How does the first law help any future law in taking away indian muslims citizenship?

As I explained, the 1st law allows non Muslims to claim asylum, whilst the 2nd law forces people to provide documents, which many Muslims won't have or will be declared invalid. The non Muslims can use the 1st law to apply for citizenship, the Muslims can't. I am amazed I am explaining something to an Ind who is so ignorant.
 
It might even have indirectly caused the aap to win in new delhi
I'm sure you would let the hindutva thugs get away with murder.

Come back to me when they put the Internet back on in kashmir

Internet has been available since Jan 25. Perhaps you should refer to your ISP for any bandwidth issues?
 
It might even have indirectly caused the aap to win in new delhi
I'm sure you would let the hindutva thugs get away with murder.

Come back to me when they put the Internet back on in kashmir

Irrelevant to the discussion. I am only discussing the merits of the law. AAP winning was a good thing. Prolonged protests about the CAA was wrong and was only leading to be exploited.
 
As I explained, the 1st law allows non Muslims to claim asylum, whilst the 2nd law forces people to provide documents, which many Muslims won't have or will be declared invalid. The non Muslims can use the 1st law to apply for citizenship, the Muslims can't. I am amazed I am explaining something to an Ind who is so ignorant.

The first law doesn't apply to indian citizens. For example, I am a non muslim, so which law will I use for citizenship?

Please share the draft for the 2nd law which you clearly know about (it would be called a bill then, tabled in the lower house, followed by debates, voting, and then goes to upper house for voting again). The present govt doesn't have numbers in the upper house.
 
Irrelevant to the discussion. I am only discussing the merits of the law. AAP winning was a good thing. Prolonged protests about the CAA was wrong and was only leading to be exploited.

Does the prolonged protests make the passing and implementation more or less likely. Why aren't all right minded Indians protesting against the intentions of the 2 laws in unison.
 
Probably the only thing the radicalized backward ideology can easily emulate from China.
 
Does the prolonged protests make the passing and implementation more or less likely. Why aren't all right minded Indians protesting against the intentions of the 2 laws in unison.


You still keep talking about the non-existent 2nd law. As CC mentioned, it would be great if you can lead us to the 2nd anti-muslim bill - let alone law.
 
Irrelevant to the discussion. I am only discussing the merits of the law. AAP winning was a good thing. Prolonged protests about the CAA was wrong and was only leading to be exploited.

Not sure how a law from Assam could be extrapolated to the whole country
Alot of the people protesting especially the students are not Muslim which takes your communal point away
You do understand there's opposition other than Muslims to the current bjp rule in India?
 
The protests are not wrong - although the cause for protests is still befuddling.

The issue is with the location of the protests.
 
This discussion is going nowhere, you live in ignorant bliss. Why don't you answer the question. Are you saying nothing is being proposed, or is that my imagination?

The home minister had promised that the govt will bring a law which will identify illegal immigrants, but there is no bill tabled yet. You are accusing me of being ignorant about something that doesn't exist yet.
 
Not sure how a law from Assam could be extrapolated to the whole country
Alot of the people protesting especially the students are not Muslim which takes your communal point away
You do understand there's opposition other than Muslims to the current bjp rule in India?

Chacha, why are you still engaging with a hindutva thug?
 
Not sure how a law from Assam could be extrapolated to the whole country
Alot of the people protesting especially the students are not Muslim which takes your communal point away
You do understand there's opposition other than Muslims to the current bjp rule in India?

I said that the protest against CAA was sending the wrong communal message, not that the protests were communal.
Two main opposition to the law: From those who think it is against secularism (across religions). Muslims who think their citizenship is being taken away and demanding revoking the CAA.
Both on false premise. CAA does not take away anyones citizenship. And if CAA is anti secular, then the entire constitution is anti secular. Just today Maharashtra passed a bill to provide 5% reservation to muslims in schools/colleges. Extra assistance is given to the minorities, doesn't make it anti majority. So if someone calls CAA anti muslim, then they have to call many existing laws as anti Hindu.
 
The home minister had promised that the govt will bring a law which will identify illegal immigrants, but there is no bill tabled yet. You are accusing me of being ignorant about something that doesn't exist yet.

We are back to square one. Is this home Minister who helped in the Massacre in Delhi.
 
If aatish taseer can't get indian citizenship I have no chance

Doesn't make sense why a non indian muslim would want an indian citizenship. Even Pakistani ahmadis wouldn't apply if given a chance. Forget muslims, Asia bibi is missing Pakistan, and its four seasons despite being in a better country.
 
We are back to square one. Is this home Minister who helped in the Massacre in Delhi.

You keep coming back because you want to discuss Modi and the BJP govt, not the laws itself.

You didn't answer. As a non muslim indian, which law will apply to me for citizenship?
 
You keep coming back because you want to discuss Modi and the BJP govt, not the laws itself.

You didn't answer. As a non muslim indian, which law will apply to me for citizenship?

None. If you have no documentation, then you can use the act for minorities( other than Muslims), if you are a Muslim, no documentation means being stateless. I think you know that is the intention of the proposed law.
 
Doesn't make sense why a non indian muslim would want an indian citizenship. Even Pakistani ahmadis wouldn't apply if given a chance. Forget muslims, Asia bibi is missing Pakistan, and its four seasons despite being in a better country.

Aatish taseer had his revoked
Not sure why all parties can't meet in Tashkent and come to some kind of compromise
Enough bloodshed has been spilt, enough of this nadir situation
 
None. If you have no documentation, then you can use the act for minorities( other than Muslims), if you are a Muslim, no documentation means being stateless. I think you know that is the intention of the proposed law.

What kind of documentation would one need to prove citizenship?
 
Does the prolonged protests make the passing and implementation more or less likely. Why aren't all right minded Indians protesting against the intentions of the 2 laws in unison.

There's no second law. The NRC that implemented in Assam was a requirement by Assam accord 1985. It was implemented in order to differentiate between people who lived in Assam before 1971, people who came to Assam in 1971 as refugees and people who came after 1971.

The whole anti CAA movement in Assam is very different from rest of India. It is NOT to include Muslims but to exclude all others including Muslims.
 
Well you tell me. Its normally birth certificates , which the poorest normally don't have.

Nope. You'll require the names of your father or grandfather either in 1951 NRC or 1971 electoral rolls (which you can find in panchayat even in villages). If you find the legacy code, then you already fulfill all major requirements.

No money required for this. It is free of cost so being poor excuse doesn't apply here.
 
Nope. You'll require the names of your father or grandfather either in 1951 NRC or 1971 electoral rolls (which you can find in panchayat even in villages). If you find the legacy code, then you already fulfill all major requirements.

No money required for this. It is free of cost so being poor excuse doesn't apply here.

One question:

19 lakhs were excluded from the latest round of NRC.

12 lakh Hindus. 7 lakh Muslims. Do correct me if I am wrong.

Are all these 19 lakhs illegals? This was brought down from 40 lakhs.

If things are so simple, why is there such massive confusion?

Asking not for argument but for understanding purposes.
 
Well you tell me. Its normally birth certificates , which the poorest normally don't have.

Leads to a massive rabbit hole.

Complicated as hell.

CAA wordings.

What they plan to do with NPR.

What documents will be potentially needed for in NRC.

No way will it be a simple and painless task from a quick glance of it.

Might do an extensive research and open a thread for this. But problem is I am too lazy. :))
 
None. If you have no documentation, then you can use the act for minorities( other than Muslims), if you are a Muslim, no documentation means being stateless. I think you know that is the intention of the proposed law.

If I have no documentation, I will claim citizenship by declaring myself a refugee from Pakistan or Bangladesh? Is that what you are saying?
 
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